Royals interested in Bruce?

[klw]

I just really wanted to make a joke at Panda's expense.

This is the go to gif for that purpose

[gilpdawg]

Also despite continuing to be red hot at the plate, and some of the very nice catches he's made of late, his defensive value combines to make him worth exactly 0 WAR so far this season, supposedly.

His DRS has went up +2 this week. UZR updates weekly so we'll see on that one.


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[podgejeff_]

Why do the Cardinals pretty consistently ignore defense entirely in favor of offense, and win way more than the Reds?

The Cardinals also consistently turn minor league fodder into stars and scrap heap pickups into stars. We're just happy when we get one Dan Straily. This happens for them seemingly every year. There's no point in even trying to compare to what they do.

[Cooper]

I wonder if both they and the Pirates are using new pitch/fx and they have found a formula that helps program the young pitcher ....i'm probably reaching ...i just believe the analytics dept is behind those 2 organizations.....make that 3 ...the Cubs are way ahead of every body.

[OGB]

Yes and no.

He doesn't get it counted as a play not made that should have been. So he gets 0 out of 0 for it. But, had he made it, he would have gotten 1 out of 1, which would have improved his overall zone rating because it would then be a higher percentage of plays made. How many of those happen per season? I honestly don't know. Is it 10? Is it 30?

The value of the plays also comes into play. Was the play "out of the zone"? If so, it's worth significantly more than a play made "in the zone".

Maybe it's because he's slowed way down at age 29, but he's on pace to have far fewer chances this year than he has for most of his career.

[Big Klu]

Maybe it's because he's slowed way down at age 29, but he's on pace to have far fewer chances this year than he has for most of his career.

Maybe it's because our pitchers have allowed far more balls to land on the other side of the fence.

[Redeyecat]

Yes and no.

He doesn't get it counted as a play not made that should have been. So he gets 0 out of 0 for it. But, had he made it, he would have gotten 1 out of 1, which would have improved his overall zone rating because it would then be a higher percentage of plays made. How many of those happen per season? I honestly don't know. Is it 10? Is it 30?

The value of the plays also comes into play. Was the play "out of the zone"? If so, it's worth significantly more than a play made "in the zone".

So it sounds like maybe one of the bigger disadvantages Bruce has (relative to having Hamilton in CF, especially in a smaller ballpark), is the opportunity cost of rarely getting a catch outside of his zone. In other words, even if Bruce could have made the catch in Hamilton's zone or a left/center "no-man's" zone (I assume there is such a thing), he rarely gets the opportunity for these "significantly" valued catches because Hamilton will typically get there first and/or call him off of it (and rightfully so.)

[kpresidente]

Why do the Cardinals pretty consistently ignore defense entirely in favor of offense, and win way more than the Reds?

Because they have better players?

Really what you should ask is do the Cardinals outperform their WAR by ignoring defense and do the Reds underperform their WAR?

[Strikes Out Looking]

The Cardinals also consistently turn minor league fodder into stars and scrap heap pickups into stars. We're just happy when we get one Dan Straily. This happens for them seemingly every year. There's no point in even trying to compare to what they do.

I think the question is how do they turn "season ending injuries" to short trips to the dl when the Reds turn day to day injuries into season ending injuries?

[Chuckie]

I think the question is how do they turn "season ending injuries" to short trips to the dl when the Reds turn day to day injuries into season ending injuries?

Mr. McGwire, do you care to answer the man's question?

"I would answer, but I'm uh, uh, not here to talk about the past. I want to (inaudible) talk about the, uh, future. I want to help kids."

Mr. Sosa? Your thoughts?

"No habla Ingles"

What? You were just speaking English fine in the hallway. I heard you.

"Huh? You're crazy man. I mean, no habla Ingles."

Mr. Palmeiro?

"I NEVER USED STEROIDS! MAKE GOD STRIKE ME DEAD RIGHT NOW IF I DID."

Can someone please get the paramedics for Mr. Palmeiro? He doesn't appear to be breathing.

Mr. Clemens, care to share your recollections?

"I would, but I misremembered."

Mr. Pujols? Mr. Edmonds? Are you guys here? No? OK, we'll chat with you some other time.

[TRF]

I have a question. What are YOU looking for in a trade for Jay Bruce?

Suarez seems to be bouncing back at the plate, and I think the Reds want him to have a full year at 3B before making any decisions about him defensively. If Bruce were traded it opens RF for either Winker or Duvall, Hamilton in CF and LF Winker, Duvall or Schebler (who is scorching hot right now).

BP's contract will end at some point. Or Cozart is moved. Peraza is either the future SS or the future 2B. Senzel is probably going to be fast tracked. Suarez could end up at 2B if BP and Cozart are gone in the next year or two.

The rotation seems to have too many answers right now. No need to bring in another SP. The bullpen is getting help as soon as the Reds get home in the form of Iglesias and Lorenzen.

So if you aren't trading for 2016 help, or even for 2017, then does the price go up for Bruce in the terms of lower level prospects?

I'm not saying don't trade him at all. I'm saying can the Reds get what they need for him, and what exactly do they need that this past year's draft and the likelihood of a similar draft position for 2017 cannot provide?

[WrongVerb]

I have a question. What are YOU looking for in a trade for Jay Bruce?

A LH reliever and a top 100-200 OF prospect with some power, both with little service time. Steven Okert and Mac Williamson for instance. I'd also substitute a SS prospect for the OFer in the right deal.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I have a question. What are YOU looking for in a trade for Jay Bruce?

Great question.

I want either an OF nearly ready (AA or AAA), preferably a RF or CF or a middle infielder with an above average bat. Said OF should have some power projection, but I'll settle for a high OBP focus at present. And he should be at least defensively neutral (or close). Said middle infielder should also have the ability to give quality ABs. Plate approach, for me, is key.

If another team is reluctant to give that up, I'd settle for more low level prospects with higher ceilings.

I don't think the prospect would have to be a top 100 prospect, but I'd be unhappy if he were not in the other team's top 10. (Unless the other team is absolutely stacked.)

[Mitri]

I'm not saying don't trade him at all. I'm saying can the Reds get what they need for him, and what exactly do they need that this past year's draft and the likelihood of a similar draft position for 2017 cannot provide?

I would love one legit SS prospect. The Giants and Mets each have two in their top 5, and they could both use Jay Bruce. The Giants seem like a better fit. Mets are more in need of a Cozart type and I'm not sure he gets us that.

If a SS isn't in the cards, I'd love an advanced OF. Those look like the Reds two biggest organizational holes. Between Cozart, Bruce, Cingrani, Straily and even Hoover, the Reds should get one if not both.

[maniem]

I have a question. What are YOU looking for in a trade for Jay Bruce?

Suarez seems to be bouncing back at the plate, and I think the Reds want him to have a full year at 3B before making any decisions about him defensively. If Bruce were traded it opens RF for either Winker or Duvall, Hamilton in CF and LF Winker, Duvall or Schebler (who is scorching hot right now).

BP's contract will end at some point. Or Cozart is moved. Peraza is either the future SS or the future 2B. Senzel is probably going to be fast tracked. Suarez could end up at 2B if BP and Cozart are gone in the next year or two.

The rotation seems to have too many answers right now. No need to bring in another SP. The bullpen is getting help as soon as the Reds get home in the form of Iglesias and Lorenzen.

So if you aren't trading for 2016 help, or even for 2017, then does the price go up for Bruce in the terms of lower level prospects?

I'm not saying don't trade him at all. I'm saying can the Reds get what they need for him, and what exactly do they need that this past year's draft and the likelihood of a similar draft position for 2017 cannot provide?

I wonder if Phillips had accepted the trade with Washington, would the Reds still be heavily shopping Bruce? At this point, Phillips is easily replaceable with Peraza.

If the Reds can hold out for a solid prospect or two (preferably an outfield prospect), i'd be fine with it. If they're trading him for purely a salary dump, it will be tough to swallow. I know Schebler is playing well now, but their still aren't any long term OF options in the minors right now ready to replace him, in my opinion. I'm all for clearing salary, as long as there is a viable backup ready to step in.