Best hitter on the roster in 2016
Best hitter on the roster in 2016
2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9 2015 Attendance Record: 2-0
2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4
2013 Attendance Record: 5-2 2014 Attendance Record: 3-1
Votto is the best hitter far and away. Bruce is having some great results right now though.
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Raisor (06-21-2016)
How does Bob trade an .895 guy off this roster and still claim to be in good faith with the fans who show up to watch today's game and not the prospects of some imagined future?
It was exactly this thinking a year ago with Frazier and Chapman that caused the Reds to wait and not get full value for them.Originally Posted by HokieRed
Empathy is about standing in someone else's shoes, feeling with his or her heart, seeing with his or her eyes. Not only is empathy hard to outsource and automate, but it makes the world a better place.
-- Daniel H. Pink
There are several questions I'd raise about this response. One: perhaps that kind of thinking was relevant last year as well (and I'm not sure how much the average fan cares about some hypothetical fair value to be realized in a purely hypothetical future). Two: I'm not sure yet that we have a reasonable way to assess the value of what we received in the Frazier/Chapman trades. Third: the concept of "fair value" assumes an efficient market and it's not at all clear to me that major league trading involves anything like an efficient or rational market.
Cooper (06-21-2016)
I was a big proponent of trading Jay for Wheeler. Never mind.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/me...john-recovery/
Do you pick up the Bruce option to gain leverage?
It is a legitimate bargaining tool this year.
"We don't have to trade him"
Last edited by kaldaniels; 06-21-2016 at 09:13 PM.
I agree with you here, but didn't you advocate trading Votto in another thread today?
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" ~ Jim Bouton
Wasn't advocating, was suggesting as a theoretical possibility. I do think Votto raises this same question, but all the trading discussion has been about Bruce, not Votto.
Ghosts of 1990 (06-21-2016)
No.
If you pick up the option now, you may eliminate some smaller markets from the trade table.
Some teams may only want Jay as a rental.
But Reds should certainly tell teams Reds haven't ruled out picking up option, and would do so rather than take a weak package for him.
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It's because Votto has full trade protection and a contract that will keep him here when the Reds expect to contend
Why can't you just keep him if he's going to hit near 40 and knock in over 100 ?
2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9 2015 Attendance Record: 2-0
2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4
2013 Attendance Record: 5-2 2014 Attendance Record: 3-1
As of right now Jay Bruce's slash line is .282/333/588 OPS .921
Last edited by Ron Madden; 06-21-2016 at 11:33 PM.
Im behind .....when did posting the slash line with the OPS as last number happen? I'm getting old and i apologize to a couple of guys i corrected.
Bruce had 26 HRs, 35 doubles, and 4 triples last year for 65 XBHs in 649 PAs in 2015.
Bruce has 16 HRs, 15 doubles, and 6 triples for 37 XBHs in 245 PAs in 2016.
Thank goodness for iffy medical records on that one minor league guy. Give us top talent for Bruce or go to hell!
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
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