If they came out right now and said that their mind is made up they'd be fried for jumping to conclusions and not doing their due diligence. I don't even recall the Colts announcing in mid January that Andrew Luck would be their pick. As I recall they were still contemplating whether to hang onto Peyton
membengal (01-21-2020),RiverRat13 (01-21-2020)
The only time I ever remember in any sport a team announcing early they were selecting a certain player was the Cavs with LeBron.Originally Posted by Sea Ray
I believe the Colts announced their intentions 3 days before the draft.
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You lost me at "competent GM."
This. Any other organization, and these types of comments wouldn't be concerning. But with the Bengals, here you are.You lost me at "competent GM."
Speaking of which, the day that Mike Brown said something along the lines of "we're not interested in making other teams better" was the day my interest in the team went from fanatical to perverse. I'm only in it now to see just how badly they will screw this up.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
Could be Tobin is fine, he's just on thin ice with me after the last few drafts, and I took this as potentially him feeling irritated that someone else in the org was speaking out of turn. Happy to be wrong, if so.
Also disagree with the theory behind it - by saying they want Burrow I think they would be signaling how steep the price would be anyway, and you'd be letting fans dream for a few extra months. But the Bengals have never, ever cared about the fan experience in any way so ...
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
I think the Bengals are locked in to Burrow. But what if the Dolphins offered them their 3 first rounders this season as well as a 1 and 3 next season? You have to take something insane like that. Even more so if you think the Dolphins will be in the bottom half next season.
That’s not enough for me to pass on Burrow.
Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2
That sounds about right, hence my comments. Thanks for recollections
Hillsdale87 (01-21-2020)
If they think Burrow is what he looks like, then I think you have to pass on just about anything.
Would you have traded Peyton Manning out of college for 3 firsts and a 1 & 3?
I'm not saying Burrow is Manning, I'm just saying I don't know what the price is on a true franchise top 3-5 QB. I think it would need to be so high, and then process be carried out so competently, the second half of which the Bengals would fail with, so I would just prefer they take the guy now.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
I wouldn't do that for Manning, wouldn't have done that for Luck. I don't think Burrow is that kind of pick, both Manning and Luck were the #1 overall pick for multiple years, Burrow was a mid-round pick at the start of this season.
But I do remember a time when Alex Smith went #1 overall and Aaron Rodgers slid to late in the 1st round. So with QB's you never really knows, that is why if a team like Miami is offering you 4 1st rounders, you have to listen.
I think there is some serious debate as to what is better Burrow or Tua/Herbert/Love, Mekhi Becton, and Xavier McKinney (Using SI's mock draft but subbing out Swift because RB makes no sense.) Plus having another #1 next season.
I know some people are sold on Burrow being the franchise QB for a decade moving forward. I am not suggesting taking Young over Burrow, but I think if you have a guy you like as much or maybe even more than Burrow, and you can accumulate a massive amount of picks, you have to consider it. In the last 20 drafts, if you look at the list of #1 overall picks, there have been some great players, nice players, and some after thoughts. Murry, Mayfield, Goff, Winston, Luck, Newton, Bradford, Stafford, Russell, Smith, Eli, Palmer, and Vick. By my count, zero HOF's, one MVP season, two super bowl victories, and really only one (or two) I would have mortgaged the future in order to get, Luck.
I think the allure of the #1 overall pick is you get a guy who will be great, but the reality is much more mixed. Its why I say I think you have to consider an insane offer, because history tells you, that offer may be better than what you pick.
Rdirtypirates (01-21-2020),redsfandan (01-21-2020)
I mean that hypothetical would basically net you Tua plus three more first round draft picks.
While for the most part I agree with this, picks still have to be turned into players. The Browns were widely celebrated for trading back with the Falcons when Atlanta took Julio Jones, but the Browns then turned those picks into Phil Taylor, Greg Little, Owen Marecic, Brandon Weeden and (by trading up using an Atlanta 4th round pick) Trent Richardson. So while there are risks with staying at #1, there are also risks with taking quantity instead of quality.
I don't think the Bengals have the luxury of being a Quarterback-centric team. Even if they land a potential HoF QB, the Steelers will just injure him before any of that comes to fruition. It's what the Steelers do, and the Bengals are who they do it to.
Remember Dalton's "MVP" season? What happened there?
Remember Palmer's? What happened there?
The Bengals would be well advised to take the best offer they can get for the #1 pick, and then start throwing darts at the draft board, since they are also unable to evaluate draft talent with their 2 scouts.
A team that is ran like the Bengals, needs to be defense-oriented. Just ignore the offense, and try to build the 2000 Ravens. And then just unload on the Steelers 2 times a year. It's the only satisfaction that Bengals fans can ever hope to enjoy.
Otherwise, you already know how this will play out. Burrow will set the world on fire in his rookie season, the Steelers will cheap-shot him in their last meeting of the season, and there will be no consequences. It's what the Steelers do, and the Bengals are who they do it to. For 50 years and counting, honestly...
"Lemonade requires a significant amount of sugar. Otherwise, you've just made lemon juice."
Glad I'm not the only one seeing this coming. They'll use the excuse that a lot more QBs that weren't selected 1-1 have won Super Bowls than those that were. They'll find some way to justify not taking Burrow. Or taking him and then trading him for Herbert or Tua and a bunch of picks.
To paraphrase Metallica: Beware that light at the end of the tunnel, Bengals fans
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