Phil Castellini surprised that Opening Day tickets still unsold

[Bourgeois Zee]

If the Reds moved you’d cry yourself to sleep over it. We all would.

Nah.

[Bourgeois Zee]

How much of that is in their pockets until they sell the team? None. Do you know if they’ve borrowed against that? If they have what percentage of revenue is covering the loan? If they haven’t, the current estimated value of the team means nothing in dollars and cents spent on the Reds or in ownerships pocket unless they sell.

This is the logical fallacy appeal to ignorance. It presupposes that the poster's claim must be true because there is no evidence against it.

A logical fallacy is an error in logic.

[REDREAD]

If the Reds moved you’d cry yourself to sleep over it. We all would.

Nope , I wouldn't. Maybe in the past I would have, but now , I don't care.
I haven't watched even one pitch of Reds baseball this year yet. Maybe I Will later this year, but right now, I don't care.
Redszone is my last connection to the team.

[Redhook]

Nope , I wouldn't. Maybe in the past I would have, but now , I don't care.
I haven't watched even one pitch of Reds baseball this year yet. Maybe I Will later this year, but right now, I don't care.
Redszone is my last connection to the team.

Ditto.

[westofyou]

Nope , I wouldn't. Maybe in the past I would have, but now , I don't care.
I haven't watched even one pitch of Reds baseball this year yet. Maybe I Will later this year, but right now, I don't care.
Redszone is my last connection to the team.

That's too similar to hanging out a record store and not listening to music for me.

[Old school 1983]

Yeah, you are.

Castellini today said, basically, like it or lump it. I'll keep as much of the money you give me as I want. If you don't like it, tough. I'll move the team if enough of you think that way.

That's both out of touch and incompetent.

Have you ever considered the flip side of what you’re saying. What if they were telling the truth and invested every penny back in the organization? What if they did take loans out against the value of the team and don’t want to publicly say that. What if COVID did hurt them financially and they had to cut back? If any of that is true, yeah, I can understand if Phil is a little pissed and standoffish. You’ve assumed they were lying from go. You likely didn’t consider, what if they aren’t.

IMO that’s all noise anyway. But if I was so concerned about it, instead of putting up billboards that say sell the team, I’d be asking them to show the books. Hamilton county tax payers pay for their house. Show us how you’re maintaining it.

[Wayne Krivsky]

How much of that is in their pockets until they sell the team? None. Do you know if they’ve borrowed against that? If they have what percentage of revenue is covering the loan? If they haven’t, the current estimated value of the team means nothing in dollars and cents spent on the Reds or in ownerships pocket unless they sell.

Eh, that's kinda how the rich continue to generate their wealth though. They never have cash sitting anywhere, it's tied up in equity. Even if they have taken out loans against the value of the team, the rate of increase in value of the Reds is almost certain to exceed the interest of that loan.

[NebraskaRed]

Why are they so bad at messaging?

I'm sure there are worse things he could have said on Opening Day, like admitting to murder, but this is maybe Top 5 worst things to say today.

[REDREAD]

That's too similar to hanging out a record store and not listening to music for me.

If anyone else still wants to follow the Reds, I'm not going to shame them. I'm genuinely glad that you and some others are still interested.
That part of me has died though <-- yes being overly dramatic, but it's true.

[bing]

The Reds have spent more than enough money to produce a winner. Especially in this division. Spend the money wisely and make smart player moves to build a sustainable winner.

They have spent the 4th most in the division this year. They are spending less than last year when they finished 3rd in the division. I don't know that they've "spent more than enough to produce a winner", especially in this division.

[NebraskaRed]

NM

[Old school 1983]

This is the logical fallacy appeal to ignorance. It presupposes that the poster's claim must be true because there is no evidence against it.

A logical fallacy is an error in logic.

Well duh lack of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. But it’s pretty common knowledge you don’t receive money for a capital gain until the gain is realized via a sale of the asset. The only way to get dollars out of it is either to operate it to a profit or borrow against its value. Sure, he doesn’t know if they’ve borrowed. That was the point. Unless we have access to their actual books, complaining about them being able to spend more is nonsense. We know what they spend a year on payroll. We know that’s enough to compete and win the division. Spend the money competently and quit whining about things we have no real details of. If they were spending like 50-70 million a year. I’d be going nuts with you. That’s really not enough unless you hit on damn near every decision. They’re 120-150 most years. That should get you there in the Nl Central if you spend wisely

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Nope , I wouldn't. Maybe in the past I would have, but now , I don't care.
I haven't watched even one pitch of Reds baseball this year yet. Maybe I Will later this year, but right now, I don't care.
Redszone is my last connection to the team.

Fair enough.

[membengal]

Here is the interview: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/eddie...podcast_widget

To be fair Mo Egger does basically ask your point 1 exactly at 6:18 of the interview. Phil then blames the fans for not buying enough season tickets.

10:12 they ask about fans losing faith, Phil responds by saying fans have no choice, "Well where you gonna go?" "What would you do to this team to make it more competitive? It would be to pick it up and move it somewhere else. Be careful what you ask for."

DEAR LORD - he's the absolute worst.

[LeatherPants]

They have spent the 4th most in the division this year. They are spending less than last year when they finished 3rd in the division. I don't know that they've "spent more than enough to produce a winner", especially in this division.

The frightening thing is when the Cubs wake up and start spending their money. This was the year to go for it, because when the Cubs decide to start acting like a large market club again, that's going to be the end of the Brewers and the Reds.

[Old school 1983]

They have spent the 4th most in the division this year. They are spending less than last year when they finished 3rd in the division. I don't know that they've "spent more than enough to produce a winner", especially in this division.

Look at years where they aren’t rebuilding. Plus under that logic teams like the Rays would be buried forever. It’s completely possible to not be a huge slender and win