The NFL doesn't have to show anything. Per the CBA they're beholden to nobody. Per the CBA their ruling stands. I don't know where BuckeyeRed is getting this nonsense
The NFL doesn't have to show anything. Per the CBA they're beholden to nobody. Per the CBA their ruling stands. I don't know where BuckeyeRed is getting this nonsense
If they don’t they leave themselves very open to losing in court.Originally Posted by Sea Ray
The NFL is banking on court throwing out the case like they have before if they just decide to change the punishment without showing any real cause separate from the initial ruling. But this isn’t the same CBA as with past lawsuits. I don’t know how a court will handle this of course, but it’s a big risk to the league’s case if they don’t show the initial ruling was just wrong because of something the judge missed or got wrong.
That said, I’m not totally sure the league wants this appeal to change anything. If this guy just upholds the initial ruling the nfl can say they did their best, Watson won’t sue, etc
I think you're overstating the chances that an outside court would overturn this. As I quoted a source earlier:
Let's see what Goodell doesShe quoted a labor law expert who said, because of that clause, whatever the NFL brings back will be airtight against judicial overturn.
They are being very reliant on how courts have treated cases in the past, but again this is a different CBA. Like I said, I don’t know how the court will handle it, but if the NFL thinks they can do whatever they want without showing a good reason, they are taking a big risk. That’s all I’m saying.
The NFLPA can sue but they will probably lose. The league is following the CBA. Looks like the league will go for a minimum of 12 games and a fine and possibly try the indefinite suspension and having to reapply after a year. The worst outcome here for the Browns would be Watson sues, the suspension is put on hold and he plays half a season while the case goes through the court, then the suspension is upheld and he misses the end of this year and a significant portion of next year.
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They aren't doing whatever they want. They are following the CBA.
I mean doing whatever they want in terms of punishment. The CBA says you can appeal, but the appeal isn’t a rehearing of the case. You are making a case why the ruling is wrong and that’s it. If the NFL says nope it’s a full season because we think this was bad…well that may be true, but it’s not a reason, at least not one that will hold up in court if it ends up there.
The big question here is, if the Browns simply provide prostitutes dressed up as massage therapists, will it ruin the "thrill of the chase" for Watson?
"Lemonade requires a significant amount of sugar. Otherwise, you've just made lemon juice."
Let the outside court overturn it. Then the NFL's hands are washed of it, they tried for a harsher penalty, judge said no, thats not on the NFL.
RiverRat13 (08-05-2022)
Courts are loathe to get involved in CBAs. I disagree with you that the NFL would lose if it ends up in court
That’s why I think Roger isn’t just hearing this himself.
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I haven’t said they would because I don’t know what they are going to say. That’s sorta been my question here. What does the NFL plan on saying Judge Rice did wrong?
Brady had his thrown out in court. The other person who went to court had his thrown out, too.
Goodell will pick someone who will basically speak for him.
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Completely removes the predatory and violent aspect of it, so yes.The big question here is, if the Browns simply provide prostitutes dressed up as massage therapists, will it ruin the "thrill of the chase" for Watson?
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
The blackening of the league. Puts a dark aura on it.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
Sure. That was the case the first time and it was 6 games. It’s not a reason.
Watson did say publicly that he didn't care how qualified they were to actually give massages. Would he even know?The big question here is, if the Browns simply provide prostitutes dressed up as massage therapists, will it ruin the "thrill of the chase" for Watson?
The bottomline is that the Commissioner is a Czar, the NFL has a very weak player's union. Goodell will get what he wants. Goodell just fined the Dolphins' Owner $1.5M and took two draft picks from him for tampering.
Goodell will want to make this fine 10% of his gauranteed money of his new contract AND a one-year suspension. A new bar will be set. He's not going to let Watson appear on an NFL field for at least a year, in practice or at a game...not even as a fan. He'll be banned. It will also send a message to Haslem, and basically a fine to Haslem, because Haslem will be paying that 10%. That contract completely screwed up the financial balance of the NFL and Haslem is the cause. There will be a monetary price to pay by Haslem through Watson.
Last edited by Kingspoint; 08-05-2022 at 04:23 PM.
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