What's wrong with CES as a middle of the order basher?Originally Posted by RedTeamGo!
What's wrong with CES as a middle of the order basher?
If Reds want to become a top team - as the game is played today - they need (1) more strikeout pitching and (2) more home run hitting. I agree that the pitching part comes first.
Adding pitch-to-contact guys may help them with durability in the regular season. But if they want to win the big stretch run games they need more Ks.
And if they can’t do it in the rotation, they need to do it in the bullpen. 8 Ks per nine innings for a reliever (or even a starter) is meh today.
Of course they need arms. They’re just not coming here via free agency.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
Agree to disagree. The difference is I admit that I could be wrong and you are adamant that you are not. By the way do you have visitation rights with your firstborn?
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Stick with Reds’ players. We are the Reds, not the “Reds plus a few outsiders from other teams.” I know it’s Halloween but I do not like this scary talk!!!
Hubba (10-18-2023)
I hope they re-sign Farmer. I know the "relievers are volatile" drill, but I'd like to see all those guys back.
All the guys the Reds used like rented mules this year will likely have down seasons next year. The Reds pitched Farmer a career high 75 innings at age 32. I would consider him used up, and look to upgrade that spot.
*BaseClogger* (10-19-2023),marcshoe (10-17-2023),MrRedSkull (10-21-2023),mth123 (10-18-2023),Revering4Blue (10-18-2023),UPRedsFan (10-17-2023),westofyou (10-17-2023)
Nothing is wrong with CES as A potential middle of the order basher. They need a vet, though. CES showed flashes of being special last year, however, let's not forget he is only 241 plate appearances into his career. They could really use a veteran middle of the order power hitter in my opinion.
What would you say.....ya do here?
I know it was a couple years ago and circumstances were different but Nick Castellanos would look pretty good in the middle of this lineup right now.
I get this sentiment.
Who are you getting rid of for this hitter? Even assuming India is traded, you still likely have no position for said bat. So, Fraley has to go. However, it depends really on Nick Senzel. The Reds probably have determined that Benson and Fraley are platoon guys. If they think a strict platoon is necessary well they have the guy for that.
It really isn't a matter of what our opinions are here. The Reds have accumulated offense/position players for 2 years now. Saying they need a vet bat is easy. Now remove the position player, and pick a target bat. I stumped for a few years for Buxton, was widely ridiculed for it.
So using the Reds history, which everyone seems to be doing in regards to pitching, select the bat, how said bat should be acquired and what position player does this bat displace.
And with that, the calculus gets harder. The pitching is easy actually. Find FA pitcher, throw money at FA pitcher. Option weakest pitcher with options remaining.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Yes, Reds should sign all their relievers, then if they are able to get an upgrade, it would be relatively easy to trade someone in the pen to make room to make room for the new guy.
Yes, some of the relievers are going to regress next year, but how are we supposed to know who is going to regress?
The worst thing the Reds could do is get rid of 2-3 bullpen guys, and then gamble that they can dumpster dive for someone better. That's a high risk gamble. The guys we had last year are more likely to work out than a random reclamation project, IMO.
Yes, there's room to upgrade the pen, and they should do it, but let's do it from a position of strength and keep the guys will have as a backup plan.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
The Reds aren’t signing relievers as free agents, or in arbitration, if the goal is to get rid of them.
If the Reds don’t want a Buck Farmer (FA) or a Lucas Sims (arbitration) they’ll let them go.
These players are not relatively easy to trade AFTER you’ve given them a guaranteed deal.
I figure Reds will keep four relievers for sure - Diaz, Gibaut, Cruz, and Moll.
Beyond that, it’ll be a one-by-one decision based on cost and projected performance.
REDREAD (10-18-2023),Revering4Blue (10-19-2023)
Castellanos in 2023: .272 .311 .476 .788 in 671 PA's, 37 doubles 2 triples 29 HR's 79 runs scored.
Pretty good year. He's OB challenged. But gets his hits. He's an ok player.
Will Benson in 2023 vs RHP: .275 .365 .498 .863 in 285 PA's, 15 doubles 7 triples 11 HR's, 47 runs scored.
Nick Senzel in 2023 vs LHP: .347 .389 .619 1.008 in 126 PA's 5 doubles 0 triples 9 HR's 24 runs scored.
Jake Fraley in 2023 vs RHP: .268 .348 .467 .815 in 339 PA's 15 doubles 0 triples 15 HR's 36 runs scored.
In 270 fewer PA's, a platoon of Senzel/Benson was easily as productive, maybe more. Senzel/Fraley was as well in about 210 fewer PA's. Defensively, Castellanos is... bad. if you set the minimum of innings played in RF to 350, because that is how many innings Fraley had, Fraley is about the 8th best defender, Benson 9th. Castellanos is almost always dead last regardless of minimum innings played.
He was fine, I guess, in Cincinnati. Not clamoring for a return at all.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Revering4Blue (10-19-2023)
If you want 68 extra base hits from one position, and some consistency over a number of years, you’d take Castellanos.
That’s his hallmark. Doubles and homers. If that’s what you’re looking for, he’s your choice.
REDREAD (10-18-2023)
The Reds need a lefty bat in between McLain, CES, and Steer.
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