2021 Cincinnati Reds Spring Training

[Kc61]

Sonny Gray is one of the better starters in baseball since joining the Reds. How do you have ample protection for such a guy? Adding a Jose Quintana doesn’t really move the needle if Sonny Gray misses significant time.

A reasonable response to all the pitching losses and uncertainty would have been to add an MOR starter and a set-up type reliever. In each case a healthy pitcher who has had recent success. Even one year contract guys.

Doesn’t fully compensate for Bauer, the departed relievers, the current injury risks, but it would have been a meaningful step in providing some solid depth.

Obviously it was out of the question for this club, but a fair expectation from the fans.

[MoneyInTheBank]

I don’t view Sonny Gray as just another player for Reds. And I don’t view a pitcher’s back problem - causing him to miss or do poorly in key games - as just a bump or bruise. If it’s all so minor why has he been having back spasms causing him to shut down his pitching this spring.

This is just another reason why the Reds’ inaction this off-season is difficult to forgive.

I see Gray pitched to batters last Friday, first time since injury. Hopefully he won’t be out for too long.

You keep saying "back problem" and parsing my words to obfuscate the nature of the injury and avoid my overall point.

It was a muscle strain. A muscle strain is not predictive of future issues. He has had the same, or similar issue crop up during Spring Training. Now, we can call into question the chronicity of the injury, not at the time of the first injury. That is why I'm saying it's using hindsight. Should they have added a starter? Yes. Would an extra starter have mitigated the damage? Absolutely. Should they have been looking for an extra starter because Sonny Gray had a muscle strain? No. This is where we disagree and I am willing to agree to disagree on that point.

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ok man, I didn't mean to pile on. Was just debating. No hard feelings I hope.

None at all. I hope the feeling is mutual

[MoneyInTheBank]

Cincinnati Reds
@Reds
The #Reds have returned Rule 5 Draft selection IF Kyle Holder to the Yankees.

Holder was selected from the Yankees by the Phillies in the December Rule 5 Draft and then acquired by the Reds in January for cash.

Another one bites the dust

[Kc61]

You keep saying "back problem" and parsing my words to obfuscate the nature of the injury and avoid my overall point.

It was a muscle strain. A muscle strain is not predictive of future issues. He has had the same, or similar issue crop up during Spring Training. Now, we can call into question the chronicity of the injury, not at the time of the first injury. That is why I'm saying it's using hindsight. Should they have added a starter? Yes. Would an extra starter have mitigated the damage? Absolutely. Should they have been looking for an extra starter because Sonny Gray had a muscle strain? No. This is where we disagree and I am willing to agree to disagree on that point.

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Fine, and I’m not suggesting that Sonny Gray’s injury was the sole reason to add pitching. But when one looks at all the circumstances, departures, thin pipeline of ready candidates, and health questions, the need for pitching was pretty clear.

[MoneyInTheBank]

Fine, and I’m not suggesting that Sonny Gray’s injury was the sole reason to add pitching. But when one looks at all the circumstances, departures, thin pipeline of ready candidates, and health questions, the need for pitching was pretty clear.

Other than the injury part, we do not disagree on the need for extra pitching

[Ron Madden]

Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon
Here is who is left in #reds camp after Kyle Holder was returned to the Yankees. Looks like India will be wearing No. 6, and Naquin switched to No. 12.

https://mobile.twitter.com/m_sheldon...28588994707457

[Kinsm]

A reasonable response to all the pitching losses and uncertainty would have been to add an MOR starter and a set-up type reliever. In each case a healthy pitcher who has had recent success. Even one year contract guys.

Doesn’t fully compensate for Bauer, the departed relievers, the current injury risks, but it would have been a meaningful step in providing some solid depth.

Obviously it was out of the question for this club, but a fair expectation from the fans.

Which explains the D's and F's in the grade poll.

[Griffey012]

A reasonable response to all the pitching losses and uncertainty would have been to add an MOR starter and a set-up type reliever. In each case a healthy pitcher who has had recent success. Even one year contract guys.

Doesn’t fully compensate for Bauer, the departed relievers, the current injury risks, but it would have been a meaningful step in providing some solid depth.

Obviously it was out of the question for this club, but a fair expectation from the fans.

Nvm, MoneyInTheBank said what I was going to say.

[Ron Madden]

Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
Shogo Akiyama is participating in today's #Reds workout, their final tune-up before Opening Day.

[HammerTime]

Max Schrock certainly seems healthy. He homered off Sonny Gray and hit a double off Wade Miley (left vs. left) in tonight's intrasquad scrimmage.

[HammerTime]

Also from Nightingale. Sorry on my phone. Copy and past not the easiest.

#Reds lineup in their intrasquad scrimmage tonight

Winker LF
Castellanos RF
Votto 1B
Suárez SS
Moustakas 3B
Senzel CF
India 2B
Barnhart C SS
Moustak CF
India 2B
Barnhart C

[Ron Madden]

Max Schrock certainly seems healthy. He homered off Sonny Gray and hit a double off Wade Miley (left vs. left) in tonight's intrasquad scrimmage.

Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__
Who knows if this game is going to have any impact on anything, but Max Schrock has a home run and a double in his first game back from a hamstring injury.

Jonathan India has a line drive single and a no-doubt home run to right field.
He’s going to be quite good.

[corkedbat]

Not sure I've ever been as "So what?" about a Reds Opening Day.

[zigbeenuthouse]

Lot to get excited about for this club. J. India is exhibit ONE. Stephenson is two. Senzel is three. Winker is four. Antone and Mahle and Castillo and Gray are five and six and seven and eight. Lucas Sims is nine and Garrett is ten.

[DocRed]

True but coming off a shortened season I expect the injury rate to be higher than ever and I'm willing to bet someone in the lineup will go down with an injury before we are even 20 games into the season. And then there is also Covid IL as well.

Took less than 1 game...