If Senzel breaks 100 games played this season I will be shocked.
If Senzel breaks 100 games played this season I will be shocked.
What would you say.....ya do here?
KronoRed (03-19-2021)
Yes, Shogo was clearly a mistake signing.
The last 2 weeks (mainly against the Pirates) padded his stats up, but that OBP is not sustainable for him.
He's basically Willie Tavares with less speed. I will even go far to say that if he wasn't Japaneese, the optimism
level would not be so high. Everyone (included me) wanted him to be a huge success story, but not much hope that happens.
It was a huge waste of money, as you have implied.
Oh well, only 2 more years until he's gone.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
JFLegal (03-20-2021)
People will get hurt, he'll play.
Go Gators!
I don't mind the Reds spending a few million on a fourth outfielder who could start for an extended period. Lining the bench with minimum wage, AAAA types is what listing teams do.
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This. The 99 team had Vaughn, Cameron, Tucker, Young AND Jeffery Hammonds. The 90 team had Hatcher, Davis, O'Neil, Braggs and Winingham. Davey Johnson's team always had 4-5 guys they could play at shortstop. If the knock is that they shouldn't spend money on depth then it's a silly knock.
On the other hand if the knock is that they mis-evaluated his level of talent then I'm a little more sympathetic, but that's been a thorn in this franchises side for a long time.
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REDREAD (03-20-2021)
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"Today was the byproduct of us thinking we can come back from anything." - Joey Votto after blowing a 10-1 lead and holding on for the 12-11 win on 8/25/2010.
The problem is that Shogo is not very good AND expensive.
Van Meter was a bad player, but he was on a non guaranteed contract, making minimum salary. So yea, he did not perform (he was worse than Shogo), but he didn't cause a financial pinch. Was he a guy to upgrade from? Of course.
That's the flaw in your logic. If Shogo was a solid #4 OF like Michael Tucker was, people might be unhappy about his salary, but they would be happy about his performance.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
Shogo did not show any power, that's going to kill his OBP. It's the same thing that doomed Billy Hamilton, more or less.
Now Shogo makes better contact than Billy did, but he needs to find some power if he's going to succeed. Aoki had some pop.
Is it possible Shogo finds some power this season? Sure, I just don't think it will happen though.
I mean, seriously. If you had a choice of Shogo or 7 million to improve this team any way that you wanted to, would you pick Shogo?
That's a good litmus test.
And yes , I agree, if Shogo produces like Aoki did, it's a good signing.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
I have no problem with Shogo the player but the signing is in the same category as Wade Miley for me. If there was a good chance you were going to have to make deep payroll cuts in a year, why on earth did you sign a 4th OF for 3/$21M and a 5th starter for 2/$15M? If you don't do that, maybe you could have afforded a SS or kept Iglesias around.
REDREAD (03-21-2021)
Because Reds didn’t foresee the pandemic when the big signings were made. Had Reds’ known about pandemic they wouldn’t have signed Shogo, Miley, Moustakas or Castellanos.
Reds signed Moustakas and Miley in December 2019. Signed Shogo on January 6, 2020 and Cast on January 27.
Within six weeks, on March 11, the WHO declared a global pandemic and the next day ST training was shut down.
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REDREAD (03-21-2021)
Bob was very clear in his interview this week. The cuts are to create a “reserve” against uncertainty for 2021 due to COVID.
I agree the Reds have been cheap, but they didn’t spend in 2019-20 anticipating deep cuts in 2021. Why would they do that? These were all multi-year contracts.
This time Reds were victimized by bad luck, unfortunate timing. That they are less able than other teams to withstand it is another issue.
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