OGB (04-30-2015)
Yea, I agree with this.
It's a bummer Homer got hurt. But it's just part of doing business.
Kind of like the Marshall deal.
At the time, it seemed like a good idea.
Happens to other teams too.
The Cards gave Jaime Garcia a 4 year contract, with 2 team option years (both have buyouts)
Not as much $ as Homer, but they took a risk and got burned too.
This is not to bash the Cards, I'm just saying that just about every club that is trying to win has a contract like this blow up in their face.
If you don't ever take a risk like signing Homer, eventually the talent base shrinks to the point where it takes many years to recover.
And I will say a lot of Walt's extensions have worked out well: the first Cueto extension, all the Arroyo extensions, and even Votto has worked out relatively well.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
But if the Reds took that stance, Arroyo would not have been extended twice (and many on RZ didn't think Arroyo should've been signed)
In 2011, Cueto was given a 5 year deal which was pretty decent coin at the time. Now Cueto was not over 30.. that is a good point.
I mean, if the Reds are conservative, even if just about Arroyo, it could've potentially cost them a playoff appearance or two, just by not having Arroyo. Now maybe Arroyo doesn't qualify as big money, but I guess the point is that sometimes longterm deals do work out.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
I didn't mean all three of them. In fact earlier in the quote I just named two (I do see how you thought that though). I still say everyone would have been ticked if we had known that there would be very little money for a bullpen, a bench, and at least one but probably two of the three I mentioned.
Tim McCarver: Baseball Quotes
I remember one time going out to the mound to talk with Bob Gibson. He told me to get back behind the batter, that the only thing I knew about pitching was that it was hard to hit.
The Arroyo extension did not work out well. Arroyo was drastically overpaid for his mediocre production. That money could have been better spent on a better player. At least he didn't get hurt until he joined the Diamondbacks.
I would also classify the Rolen, Phillips, Marshall, Broxton, Bailey and Hannahan extensions as bad decisions. The jury is still out on the Votto mega-extension.
People forget the huge amount of money the Reds gave Rolen for his injury-riddled seasons of below-average production. I guess he gets a pass because he arrived at the same time Votto, Cueto, Bruce, Frazier and Bailey replaced Dunn, Griffey and Milton.
Having Arroyo eating 200 innings a year is heck of a lot better than a replacement, say a Marquis. Arroyo never had a top arm, but some nights he had top stuff and junk. Having a guy like that to fill out a rotation ain't all bad. Another case also where Walt walked away at the right time.
Bring on 2018! #%?*!
REDREAD (05-05-2015)
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