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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    It’s awful. It’s like watching little league being played at the highest professional level. Games should not be won or lost on what would otherwise be a bloop single to start an inning. It’s a travesty.

    If you wanna do that starting in, say, the 12th inning I could maybe get on board. But measures that drastic do not need to be taken at the start of the 10th inning.
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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    How many marathon extra inning games were actually played during "the old days"? It seems like relatively few went beyond 12 or 13 innings -- we just recall them because they were more memorable.

    Edit: I just did some research. In 10 years (2010-19), the Reds played 159 extra-inning games out of 1620 total games (9.8%). Only 10 went longer than 13 innings.

    2019: 15 games
    10 innings - 8
    11 innings - 4
    12 innings - 2
    13 innings - 1

    2018: 19 games
    10 innings - 9
    11 innings - 5
    12 innings - 4
    13 innings - 1

    2017: 10 games
    10 innings - 6
    11 innings - 2
    12 innings - 1
    17 innings - 1

    2016: 13 games
    10 innings - 4
    11 innings - 5
    12 innings - 1
    13 innings - 1
    14 innings - 1
    15 innings - 1

    2015 - 17 games
    10 innings - 4
    11 innings - 6
    12 innings - 1
    13 innings - 6

    2014: 13 games
    10 innings - 5
    11 innings - 2
    12 innings - 4
    15 innings - 2

    2013: 22 games
    10 innings - 8
    11 innings - 6
    13 innings - 6
    14 innings - 1
    16 innings - 1

    2012: 14 games
    10 innings - 8
    11 innings - 4
    12 innings - 1
    14 innings - 1

    2011: 17 games
    10 innings - 6
    11 innings - 3
    12 innings - 2
    13 innings - 4
    14 innings - 1
    19 innings - 1

    2010: 19 games
    10 innings - 11
    11 innings - 5
    12 innings - 3


    10-Year Totals
    10 innings - 69 games
    11 innings - 42 games
    12 innings - 19 games
    13 innings - 19 games
    14 innings - 4 games
    15 innings - 3 games
    16 innings - 1 game
    17 innings - 1 game
    19 innings - 1 game
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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    How many marathon extra inning games were actually played during "the old days"? It seems like relatively few went beyond 12 or 13 innings -- we just recall them because they were more memorable.

    Edit: I just did some research. In 10 years (2010-19), the Reds played 159 extra-inning games out of 1620 total games (9.8%). Only 10 went longer than 13 innings.

    2019: 15 games
    10 innings - 8
    11 innings - 4
    12 innings - 2
    13 innings - 1

    2018: 19 games
    10 innings - 9
    11 innings - 5
    12 innings - 4
    13 innings - 1

    2017: 10 games
    10 innings - 6
    11 innings - 2
    12 innings - 1
    17 innings - 1

    2016: 13 games
    10 innings - 4
    11 innings - 5
    12 innings - 1
    13 innings - 1
    14 innings - 1
    15 innings - 1

    2015 - 17 games
    10 innings - 4
    11 innings - 6
    12 innings - 1
    13 innings - 6

    2014: 13 games
    10 innings - 5
    11 innings - 2
    12 innings - 4
    15 innings - 2

    2013: 22 games
    10 innings - 8
    11 innings - 6
    13 innings - 6
    14 innings - 1
    16 innings - 1

    2012: 14 games
    10 innings - 8
    11 innings - 4
    12 innings - 1
    14 innings - 1

    2011: 17 games
    10 innings - 6
    11 innings - 3
    12 innings - 2
    13 innings - 4
    14 innings - 1
    19 innings - 1

    2010: 19 games
    10 innings - 11
    11 innings - 5
    12 innings - 3


    10-Year Totals
    10 innings - 69 games
    11 innings - 42 games
    12 innings - 19 games
    13 innings - 19 games
    14 innings - 4 games
    15 innings - 3 games
    16 innings - 1 game
    17 innings - 1 game
    19 innings - 1 game
    It’s a lame, desperate attempt to shorten games.

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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonlite Graham View Post
    To me the extra inning rule is kind of like the shootout in soccer. You play a highly strategic game for several hours only to immediately turn it into a farce.

    I would fine with the rule after the 12th inning on, at that point its best to achieve a result as expeditiously as possible.

    On the flip side, I really like the 7 inning doubleheaders and think the players would too if they were prescheduled and each team played the same number of them. Could result in additional days off during the season.

    But of course Manfred said that 7 inning games are more harmful to the players potentially playing 2-9 inning games.
    Ironically, extra innings has not been the farce. The nine innings that proceed it -- with everyone swinging for the fences and three-true-outcoming humanity out of its collective mind -- is the farce. They actually play BASEBALL in extra innings, which is one of the reasons why you see them convert those runners so much.

    I have no problem with it. I lost my appetite for long nights of extra-inning zeroes when Dusty Baker rolled Aaron Harang out there and ruined that season.

    Anything baseball does at this point to shorten its games and save it from itself as it whistles past the graveyard is worth a shot.
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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    I'd be ok with it maybe starting in the 12th inning. The 10th is too soon.

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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    I like it. Creates instant tension in extras.
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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    It’s a lame, desperate attempt to shorten games.
    They should focus on stopping them from going 30 seconds between pitches!

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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    I think its terrible. I call it fake baseball. Very little leagueish and just screams of being a gimmick. I am just waiting for the day when a pitcher will carry a perfect game into the 10th and it will be wiped away because of a ghost runner. It will happen, just wait it will happen. I suppose I could live with this after 12 innings. As pointed out not many games go past that point any way.
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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Every time I see this in extra innings it reminds me of the old NBA's 3 to make 2 FT rule.

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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    I think its terrible. I call it fake baseball. Very little leagueish and just screams of being a gimmick. I am just waiting for the day when a pitcher will carry a perfect game into the 10th and it will be wiped away because of a ghost runner. It will happen, just wait it will happen. I suppose I could live with this after 12 innings. As pointed out not many games go past that point any way.
    I can't wait to see this game! That means you've probably got two amazing SP performances, with at least one guy in your scenario still in with <100 pitches in the 10th.

    The problem for many is that the games go way too late into the night (I know, ground breaking revelation). What happened to the 6:40 starts? 6:00 games would be even better IMO.

    As for the ghost runner... I hate the idea, but obviously I like the earlier finish. I wouldn't be opposed to trying it out from the 12th.

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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRedsFan View Post
    I know my opinion doesn't align with most purists, but I say keep the rule.

    I enjoy watching baseball, but not for 5+ hours at a time potentially. And I would guess most casual viewers feel the same.

    More importantly, I think having to wear out your whole pitching staff in order to win ONE game out of 162 is not worth it. If the season was shorter (like last year's 60) so every game had greater weight, I might feel differently.

    And as I've suggested in the past, why not a compromise? Innings 10-12 are standard; runner on 2nd starts in the 13th if it gets that far. Prevent at least some of the mega marathons.
    I agree with most of this. Outside of purists, I can't think of many stakeholders for whom ultra-martahon games are good. The stadium is typically down 90% from its peak attendance which means most fans have decided they've seen enough; the workers don't like it, the players don't like it.

    I like the compromise approach but would let only the 10th play out "normally."

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    They were discussing this on Sirius XM this morning, a lot of the players like it, and apparently a lot of baseball people like it as well, I would look for it to stay, or some variation of it.

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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverfrontRed View Post
    They should focus on stopping them from going 30 seconds between pitches!
    I’d much prefer this. Dawdle for more than 15 seconds, buzzer gratingly goes off and a ball is added to the count. Continue to dawdle, you walk the batter.

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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy Sal View Post
    I can't wait to see this game! That means you've probably got two amazing SP performances, with at least one guy in your scenario still in with <100 pitches in the 10th.

    The problem for many is that the games go way too late into the night (I know, ground breaking revelation). What happened to the 6:40 starts? 6:00 games would be even better IMO.

    As for the ghost runner... I hate the idea, but obviously I like the earlier finish. I wouldn't be opposed to trying it out from the 12th.
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    Re: Extra-Inning Runner On 2nd Rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I like it. Creates instant tension in extras.
    I like it too. Maybe the ghost runner rule doesn't shorten games, but it makes them a lot more exciting.
    More balls put into play. More tension. I get excited now when a game goes to extra innings.. In the past, I would usually just go to bed and look up who won the next day.
    Think about that game 1 vs the Mets (two days ago).. Even though it sucked that we lost, there was a tremendous amount of drama, and might have been the longest game thread ever.. Now, I know the high scoring that proceeded the extra innings was also responsible, but man, that was an epic game.
    Baseball desperately needs more drama like this..
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