"Lose For Crews"

[Roy Tucker]

Well yeah I agree with the late stage capitalism aspect, but I don’t think the Reds are intentionally losing for Crews.

Agree. I think their incompetence is taking care of the losing part.

[Falls City Beer]

I don’t think the Reds are attempting to game the system right now. They just suck.

They suck by design. Don’t kid yourself for a second. All according to plan.

[JFLegal]

this team just might be terrible enough to pull this off. stay tuned.

[REDREAD]

I truly hope in my heart that the Reds get the lowest/worst draft position possible, because it is exactly what this club deserves.

I agree. The whole point of the draft lottery was to punish teams like the Reds.
But on the other hand, Phil C doesn't care what draft pick we get.

[RedTeamGo!]

They suck by design. Don’t kid yourself for a second. All according to plan.

Yes and no. If the design was to just suck they wouldn’t have spent money on players like Moustakas, Castellanos, Shogo, etc - they would have just signed league min stop gaps, AAAA players, and minor leaguers. Basically, what the Pirates do. I’m not saying it will work, but if you squint hard enough right now there is something resembling a long term plan. The pirates do not have a plan.

I dislike Phil C as much as the next fan, but I think they have sucked the last 2 years because of incompetence, not by design.

[LeatherPants]

Yes and no. If the design was to just suck they wouldn’t have spent money on players like Moustakas, Castellanos, Shogo, etc - they would have just signed league min stop gaps, AAAA players, and minor leaguers. Basically, what the Pirates do. I’m not saying it will work, but if you squint hard enough right now there is something resembling a long term plan. The pirates do not have a plan.

I dislike Phil C as much as the next fan, but I think they have sucked the last 2 years because of incompetence, not by design.

Did you somehow miss the past off season? That wasn’t incompetence, that’s the plan. They even gave multiple interviews detailing the plan: profit first, just like the Pirates.

They literally have zero dollars guaranteed after next year.

[Kc61]

Did you somehow miss the past off season? That wasn’t incompetence, that’s the plan. They even gave multiple interviews detailing the plan: profit first, just like the Pirates.

They literally have zero dollars guaranteed after next year.

It is the plan. They’ve said so. All the emphasis is on prospects and the longer term future. It’s not a terrible plan except at this point, after all the years of irrelevance, it’s hard to take.

But the Reds could now stray from the plan. They may not be able to take the heat from the media and fans. Especially after Phil C’s comment, where they gonna go, which was a major mistake.

[RedTeamGo!]

They literally have zero dollars guaranteed after next year.

That almost sounds like….a….plan….

[LeatherPants]

That almost sounds like….a….plan….

Yes, that’s the plan. The plan is to be the Pirates. Profits over winning.

[RedTeamGo!]

Yes, that’s the plan. The plan is to be the Pirates. Profits over winning.

If you truly think the Reds are equal to the Pirates, I don't know what to say. Agree to disagree. Enjoy your day.

[Kc61]

Tiebreaker for draft position seems to be 2021 record. That’s bad for Reds who were over .500 last season.

So to beat out Pirates for third draft lottery position, Reds would have to finish one game worse in standings. Pirates play Cards who may play backups some as they rest guys for playoffs. Cards seem locked into third position in NL playoffs.

So Reds fans now need to root for Pirates to win, if area of interest is lottery position.

[LeatherPants]

It is the plan. They’ve said so. All the emphasis is on prospects and the longer term future. It’s not a terrible plan except at this point, after all the years of irrelevance, it’s hard to take.

But the Reds could now stray from the plan. They may not be able to take the heat from the media and fans. Especially after Phil C’s comment, where they gonna go, which was a major mistake.

Forgetting for the moment that there’s no such thing as a small market team and pretending that the Reds really are cashed strapped, it doesn’t make sense for them to go spend money on short term help when they have no chance to win next year. A $100 million payroll in 2023 is just a waste of $25 million that they will not be able to spend later.

They’ll save the money for later (and be pound foolish).

[LeatherPants]

If you truly think the Reds are equal to the Pirates, I don't know what to say. Agree to disagree. Enjoy your day.

Moving forward, not the past. The Reds spent money on Moose and Castellanos a couple years ago and it didn’t work. From their own words and actions since then, it appears to me they are going the Pirates route.

[RedTeamGo!]

Moving forward, not the past. The Reds spent money on Moose and Castellanos a couple years ago and it didn’t work. From their own words and actions since then, it appears to me they are going the Pirates route.

In Mancuso You Trust, I suppose.

[Kc61]

Forgetting for the moment that there’s no such thing as a small market team and pretending that the Reds really are cashed strapped, it doesn’t make sense for them to go spend money on short term help when they have no chance to win next year. A $100 million payroll in 2023 is just a waste of $25 million that they will not be able to spend later.

They’ll save the money for later (and be pound foolish).

I disagree. The way to do this is to spend as you go. That way, you are not at the mercy of one FA class.

Look for improvements every year. Don’t overspend on them. Add multi-year contracts. Build.

The model of not spending, not spending, not spending, and then suddenly spending doesn’t work IMO. It leads to classes like Shogo, Castellanos, and Moustakas.