Revering4Blue (09-22-2020),RiverRat13 (09-21-2020)
if (inside || outside < sixFeet) {
return "wear the stupid mask"
else "all good, no need for a mask!"
Welp, that sure was a challenge. I'll be billing for 3 hours @ 500/hr for this.
"Lemonade requires a significant amount of sugar. Otherwise, you've just made lemon juice."
Targeting the businesses would help, but that would just put more people out of work while they are shut down. I like the idea, but I can hear several people on here whining how the government is putting people out of work. it also puts the employees in a bad position. When the employee asks some one to put their mask on or leave, there will be violent reactions (we've already seen it). So when somebody refuses, the business gets shut down? The employee gets beat-up for trying to enforce it or fired for not trying? Tht's why I think it should be law enforcement, but I know it's not realistic and that they can't be everywhere. Still, a lot more drunk drivers are out there than actually get caught, but the ones who are caught are punished and many others don't do it because they don't want to be next.
I think what we're finding is that the situation sucks and there isn't an answer other than getting rid of the virus.
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westofyou (09-21-2020)
Rojo (09-23-2020)
Again I ask the lockdown supporters: what if in July of 2021 there’s no vaccine and numbers—infection/death—similar to now with formal UE at 15% (U6 at say 22%) and no stimulus (Senate holds at 51 Republicans)?
You wouldn’t instruct news sites to quit with the hyperbole and lying about numbers rising when they’re not? I’m thinking that after Biden is inaugurated the news will dial it back a lot and start reporting it much straighter, with fewer panic chyrons.
Rojo (09-23-2020)
Let's be judicious with discussing the political implications within this thread. Just about anything directly discussing the virus is fine here, but the political fallout should be reserved for the sub-forum.
It wouldn’t cost jobs, because the minute I hit a businesses bottom line, they would fix the problem internally. It isn’t difficult- even a guy who runs a Speedway knows the governor mandated that businesses require masks for customers and employees to cover the nose and mouth. Period. But they aren’t sophisticated enough to care, because if they were, they wouldn’t be working at Speedway. So once it hits them in the pocketbook, corporate will hit them over the head with a hammer. That’ll get the job done and they’ll wear their masks. Heck, in the last three weeks, I have seen a UPS driver bring in packages at the local speedway, and even he didn’t wear a mask.
So no, we are not going to find individuals. It’s crazy to even think that’s an option.
And honestly, where are all these crowds in outdoor public places where anybody would have to be careful anyway? There are no sports, no concerts, no plays, nothing. I mean, South Dayton isn’t exactly Appalachia, and the most crowded places I can think of haven’t been crowded at all. People go out, head to a patio for a bite to eat or listen to some music, and that’s it. There are no other places to congregate.
There probably aren't any places in Dayton. I live in a small town as well and there aren't many. But a lot of people are in outdoor settings every day where they are in a crowd of people. Cross a street in a major metro downtown area, waiting for a bus, going in or out of the subway station, etc.
This week-end there was a classic car show in the town where I live. A City street was blocked off and people were all crammed in there looking at the cars. They weren't six feet apart and less than half had masks on. I walked down there just for the exercise and was shocked at so many people when I arrived. I just walked right past that area to avoid the crowd and went to the nearly empty city park down the street instead to finish my walk. I'd guess those types of scenes repeat themselves every day throughout the US.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
Sure, if you live in a major metro where there are subways, the whole dynamic changes. I assumed this discussion was in the context of Ohio, and no way are we going to start issuing citations to private citizens.
And it’s easy to avoid situations like you saw by just not going there, as you did. And even then, they were outside. I doubt the risk there was any different than the risk of the patio I’m sitting at right now this very moment.
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Bus stops for one, any busy intersection, parks, any stretch of restaurants/bars/nightlife. You said these places are packed, which means heavy foot traffic around them. Any place where you have to wait outside to get into, people are supposed to stay six feet away, but that doesn’t always happen.
Definitely fewer places in Dayton, but any city will have them.
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As usual, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Parks are not congested. I haven’t taken a bus in 40 years, but I don’t see congested bus stops either. Restaurants and bars and patios are packed, but they are not walk up. There aren’t crowds of people trying to get in. People drive in, get out of their cars, go in, and sit down. At the same time somebody else is finishing up, and leaving.
Again, I live here, I get out, and I don’t see crowds anywhere, and I don’t see any place where it be difficult to avoid people.
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