2022/2023 Ohio State Mens Basketball Thread

[goreds2]

Women Buckeyes win yesterday to advance. They are a fun team to watch as they full court press and create a lot of turnovers.

Mon, 3/20
vs
6 UNC
4:00 PM
ESPN

This game is now on. Flipping between this game and the Reds on Bally Sports Ohio.

[goreds2]

Women Buckeyes win yesterday to advance. They are a fun team to watch as they full court press and create a lot of turnovers.

Mon, 3/20
vs
6 UNC
4:00 PM
ESPN

Lady Buckeyes win by 2 and advance to the Sweet 16.

[BuckeyeRed27]

So I am just going to throw it in here because it may be the best place for it. The B1G and there awful NCAA showings. FWIW I think Sparty has a path right now towards a final four, and maybe even a Natty, but that is besides the point.

Purdue is going to be Purdue until Painter changes his style of play. The same can pretty much be said for the rest of the B1G. While most leagues and teams have adapted, the B1G continues to play a bruising style of basketball. The way the NBA used to be when a big man could dominate the game. Anymore you need a big man who can stretch the defense. A big who can hit the outside shot was well as post up inside. The game has changed where you need 5 guys on the court who can shoot. You either want an open 3 or a shot driving to the basket. Anytime a non B1G team plays Purdue, they are going to make the big man guard all over the court. On defense they are going to double and triple the big making him earn everything.

I do think Purdue beats FDU 99 times out of 100, they just lost the one time it counts. And for the whole B1G, the reality was the conference had Purdue, then a bunch of good teams, not great teams. IU was the only other team seeded to make it out of the first weekend, and their best player was another guy who couldn't hit the outside shot. TJD is a damn good player, but if he isn't going to be able to stretch the court, teams are going to play him the same way the play other bigs in the league.

I don't know if things are really going to change in the B1G unless there is an overhaul in recruiting. There have been some very good teams over the past decade who fell short. I do wonder if the grind of the season takes a toll on the teams. Or maybe you have to survive the B1G season playing one way then change your style when it comes tournament time.

When we talk about underperformance what are the metrics we are looking at?

If you have a single elimination tournament you are gonna get some goofy stuff happening. The Bjg Ten has had some good but probably not elite teams the last couple seasons and haven’t looked good. Does that mean you have to fundamentally change everything? I’m with you on style of play, but I don’t think that’s a specific Big Ten thing. I do think the conference is hurt by playing a physical style, that often times leads to your good players in constant foul trouble in the tournament when you get different officials.

[Sea Ray]

When we talk about underperformance what are the metrics we are looking at?

If you have a single elimination tournament you are gonna get some goofy stuff happening. The Bjg Ten has had some good but probably not elite teams the last couple seasons and haven’t looked good. Does that mean you have to fundamentally change everything? I’m with you on style of play, but I don’t think that’s a specific Big Ten thing. I do think the conference is hurt by playing a physical style, that often times leads to your good players in constant foul trouble in the tournament when you get different officials.

The metric is championships. The Big Ten hasn't won it in Div 1 basketball since the turn of the century

[BuckeyeRed27]

The metric is championships. The Big Ten hasn't won it in Div 1 basketball since the turn of the century

Ok but I don’t think that’s the metric he’s talking about. I’ll let him speak for himself.

[Sea Ray]

Ok but I don’t think that’s the metric he’s talking about. I’ll let him speak for himself.

I'm only speaking for myself

[RedTeamGo!]

When we talk about underperformance what are the metrics we are looking at?

If you have a single elimination tournament you are gonna get some goofy stuff happening. The Bjg Ten has had some good but probably not elite teams the last couple seasons and haven’t looked good. Does that mean you have to fundamentally change everything? I’m with you on style of play, but I don’t think that’s a specific Big Ten thing. I do think the conference is hurt by playing a physical style, that often times leads to your good players in constant foul trouble in the tournament when you get different officials.

It's been 23 years. The Big Ten gets 8-10 teams in every year and disappoints. Often lose to "inferior" competition in 1st round. At this point, yes, something is absolutely fundamentally wrong with the conference and big changes are needed. I am not entirely sure what it is, but first things first: the NCAA needs to stop putting so many garbage big ten teams in the tourney. This should be a 4-5 bid conference. Taking away bids from deserving teams.

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The metric is championships. The Big Ten hasn't won it in Div 1 basketball since the turn of the century

Hell, the metric could also be making it out of the opening weekend. The Big Ten sucks at that too.

[BuckeyeRed27]

It's been 23 years. The Big Ten gets 8-10 teams in every year and disappoints. Often lose to "inferior" competition in 1st round. At this point, yes, something is absolutely fundamentally wrong with the conference and big changes are needed. I am not entirely sure what it is, but first things first: the NCAA needs to stop putting so many garbage big ten teams in the tourney. This should be a 4-5 bid conference. Taking away bids from deserving teams.

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Hell, the metric could also be making it out of the opening weekend. The Big Ten sucks at that too.

In the last 10 tournaments they’ve had 6 final four teams and 3 teams play for the title. Granted none have won. The 12 years before that up to Sparty winning are pretty consistent with those numbers.

I’d want to see numbers if the Big Ten top seeds underperform the opening weekend compared to other major conferences. Id bet you just follow it and notice it more and it’s probably similar to what other conferences look like.

[RedTeamGo!]

6 final fours in 10 years when you get 8-10 teams in the tourney every year is not good

[westofyou]

6 final fours in 10 years when you get 8-10 teams in the tourney every year is not good

I'd like to see the other conferences data

Here's overall performance


Since 1985

CONFERENCE				WINS	LOSSES	PERCENTAGE
MW City *				2	1	66.67%
ACC					318	162	66.25%
Big East				286	177	61.77%
Big Ten					278	181	60.57%
SEC					231	151	60.47%
American				11	8	57.89%
Big 8 *					67	49	57.76%
Big 12					159	117	57.61%
PCAA *					8	6	57.14%
Pac-10 *				141	107	56.85%
Great Midwest *				15	12	55.56%
Pac-12					26	24	52.00%
Metro *					26	25	50.98%
CUSA					54	53	50.47%
Horizon					19	19	50.00%
A-10					88	98	47.31%
SWC					21	24	46.67%
WCC					35	41	46.05%
Independents				13	18	41.94%
MVC					40	59	40.40%
WAC					42	65	39.25%
Big West				21	33	38.89%
CAA					21	37	36.21%
MAC					19	38	33.33%
MWC					22	44	33.33%
MW Coll *				10	22	31.25%
Sun Belt				16	42	27.59%
ASC *					1	3	25.00%
Mid-Cont *				7	23	23.33%
NAC *					2	8	20.00%
Ivy					8	33	19.51%
A-Sun					6	32	15.79%
Southern				6	33	15.38%
OVC					6	34	15.00%
Southland				5	32	13.51%
MAAC					5	33	13.16%
WCAC *				        1	7	12.50%
Patriot					3	25	10.71%
ECAC *					1	9	10.00%
MEAC					3	28	9.68%
Summit					1	10	9.09%
Big Sky					3	32	8.57%
American East				1	20	4.76%
Big South				1	21	4.55%
SWAC					1	24	4.00%
ECC *					0	7	0.00%
NEC					0	25	0.00%

Out of the 32 current conferences, just eight have winning records in the tournament's modern format

Here they are, ordered by winning percentage:

CONFERENCE		        WINS	LOSSES	PERCENTAGE
ACC				318	162	66.25%
Big East			286	177	61.77%
Big Ten				278	181	60.57%
SEC				231	151	60.47%
American			11	8	57.89%
Big 12				159	117	57.61%
Pac-12				26	24	52.00%
CUSA				54	53	50.47%

[RedTeamGo!]

define the modern format. What year is that going back to?

[BuckeyeRed27]

6 final fours in 10 years when you get 8-10 teams in the tourney every year is not good

You can check my math, but I ran it from 2012 (no 2020 tournament) and the ACC had 7, Big 12, Big East and SEC had 6 and the PAC has 2. The rest were mid majors with 2 as the most.

[RedTeamGo!]

You can check my math, but I ran it from 2012 (no 2020 tournament) and the ACC had 7, Big 12, Big East and SEC had 6 and the PAC has 2. The rest were mid majors with 2 as the most.

The PAC 12 lost all respect and gets like 4 teams in these days. The Big Ten, regularly, gets more teams in the tourney.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The PAC 12 lost all respect and gets like 4 teams in these days. The Big Ten, regularly, gets more teams in the tourney.

Ok, but they get about the same as the others and seem to be putting roughly the same amount of teams at the end. They just haven’t won one.

[Revering4Blue]

define the modern format. What year is that going back to?

NM


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