Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
membengal (01-13-2020),Wonderful Monds (01-13-2020)
While they were different, there were actually two "West Coast" offenses (Air Coryell, Bill Walsh). But yeah, Brown gave Walsh the task of developing an offensive scheme for an accurate, but weak armed, QB named Virgil Carter (I'm actually old enough to remember him), that utilized short, high percentage passes.
Brown coached the Bengals for 8 years (68-75). While he had a few winning seasons, he retired in '75 with a record of 55-56 -1 (.495). He made the post-season three times, and three times a first round exit. Brown saw the writing on the wall, and that the game had changed too dramatically for him. He was in his late 60s when he retired.
He introduced a lot of innovations to the game. Most are still in use today too. But the problem with innovators is that everyone else adopts your methods too. So you're always having to adapt, come up with something new to stay ahead of the curve. But he gave "birth" to future innovators who blossomed only after they left Cincinnati (and Brown's control). IMO, that's why he chose Johnson over Walsh. Control. The relationship that developed between Walsh and DeBartolo, IMO, showed Paul Brown what he could have had if he hadn't been such an A-hole.
But here's another example of how much of a vindictive SOB Brown could be ....
https://web.archive.org/web/20130619...s/sp-walsh22/3
He was a Cincinnati Bengals assistant for seven seasons under legendary coach Paul Brown but was passed over in favor of Bill "Tiger" Johnson when Brown retired in 1975. Walsh, who subsequently resigned, said Brown "worked against my candidacy" to be a head coach anywhere in the league.
"All the way through I had opportunities, and I never knew about them," he said. "And then when I left him, he called whoever he thought was necessary to keep me out of the NFL."
Was it jealousy?
"I can't say," said Walsh, who didn't get his first NFL head-coaching job until he was 47. "He did that to other people too, it wasn't just me. But I was probably the most blatant one."
Last edited by GAC; 01-13-2020 at 04:59 AM.
"In my day you had musicians who experimented with drugs. Now it's druggies experimenting with music" - Alfred G Clark (circa 1972)
3 1st rounders is tough to pass up until you realize that the Saints will be picking at the bottom of the first round for those 3 yrs...
If you have a losing record at Reds games, please stop going.
North (01-13-2020)
RiverRat13 (01-13-2020)
I agree, but I don't even love that plan. The Bengals are already a couple of bounces away from picking 5th, and with health could just be swirling the drain for a decade by winning 4-6 games over and over again.
First overall picks don't happen very often, and there's a very good prospect there. Don't overthink it by trying to grab value now, let the value come to you after your team has a semblance of stability.
Big Red Smokey (01-13-2020),Boss-Hog (01-13-2020),Redsfaithful (01-13-2020)
Sea Ray (01-13-2020)
I would want at least five first round picks to even think about it. And even then, I likely would not do it.
Well, that's what those words mean. He was here. If they don't keep him, he will have been lost/subtracted. I headed out the door today with two shoes on my feet. If I don't return with them, I have lost them. If I do return with them, I haven't added them. ---M2
Sea Ray (01-13-2020)
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
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Redsfaithful (01-13-2020)
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
GAC (01-14-2020)
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