Cardinals @ Reds: 6/10/08

[Degenerate39]

What a proper way to end a game with C.Patt striking out.

[Red in Chicago]

springer strikes out the sides...at least it was quick tonight...

[letsgojunior]

Will the Corey Patterson experiment ever end?

[Wheelhouse]

Originally Posted by jesusfan

Tribute to Nuxy, Griffey return home from 600 and they come out flat! No Excuses!

For all RZ hates scrappy, this team is flat without the scrappy Hairston. And the Cards are packed with scrappy players taking it to the Reds. The non scrappy Edwin turned in the worst AB Ive seen in weeks in the ninth. On a night when the Reds celebrate history, its all too obvious there aren't the leaders on this team to get it juiced for the present.

[Falls City Beer]

This game was over the second they pencilled in Bailey's name.

He's not a major league starting pitcher right now. And if he ever is it will have to be with a wholly different approach; no way in hell he becomes a bulldozing high-K pitcher with the stuff he possesses. If he sticks in the majors, he will have made a sea change.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by Wheelhouse

For all RZ hates scrappy, this team is flat without the scrappy Hairston. And the Cards are packed with scrappy players taking it to the Reds. The non scrappy Edwin turned in the worst AB Ive seen in weeks in the ninth. On a night when the Reds celebrate history, its all too obvious there aren't the leaders on this team to get it juiced for the present.

Is this a serious post? The Reds didn't miss Hairston's "scrapiness" they misssed his bat. They replaced his .336/.382/.480 with a guy hitting .237. And lets blame the guy who went 3-4 tonight for swinging at a bad 3-1 in a 5 run game in the 9th.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

This game was over the second they pencilled in Bailey's name.

He's not a major league starting pitcher right now. And if he ever is it will have to be with a wholly different approach; no way in hell he becomes a bulldozing high-K pitcher with the stuff he possesses. If he sticks in the majors, he will have made a sea change.

This.

[RedsManRick]

Originally Posted by Wheelhouse

Philips has a little bit of Aaron Boone disease: a 30 hr guy who swings like a 50 hr guy. Scout him correctly you'll get a grounder to short every at bat.

C'mon, that's not true. Sometimes you'll get get a grounder to 2B. Phillips seems to have adopted the approach that he's a power hitter. He'd be a lot better off swinging like he was a 15 HR guy. Just ask Chase Utley -- or Joey Votto for that matter.

[Wheelhouse]

Originally Posted by reds44

Is this a serious post? The Reds didn't miss Hairston's "scrapiness" they misssed his bat. They replaced his .336/.382/.480 with a guy hitting .237. And lets blame the guy who went 3-4 tonight for swinging at a bad 3-1 in a 5 run game in the 9th.

I did not blame Edwin for the loss, but merely pointed out it was a horrific at-bat. Chris Welch noticed it as well.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by Wheelhouse

For all RZ hates scrappy, this team is flat without the scrappy Hairston. And the Cards are packed with scrappy players taking it to the Reds. The non scrappy Edwin turned in the worst AB Ive seen in weeks in the ninth. On a night when the Reds celebrate history, its all too obvious there aren't the leaders on this team to get it juiced for the present.

You should include phrases like 'mentally tough', 'proficiency' and 'sound execution' to that description (even though I think Hairston's contributions are a blip on the radar screen, and somewhat irrelevant to the big picture). Virtually every year, regardless of the talent level of the cast and crew, the Cardinals coax exceptionally proficient and professional plate appearances out of their personnel. They pretty much execute in every aspect of the game, and as a result they exceed expectations, and their sum is greater than the parts therein.

By contrast, the mentally enervated Reds' team usually displays a production and consistency that greatly underperforms the sum of it's individual talents. It's yet another reason why the tactically flawed and plate discipline bereft Dusty Baker was a terrible fit for this squad.

[Marc D]

Originally Posted by Stormy

You should include phrases like 'mentally tough', 'proficiency' and 'sound execution' to that description (even though I think Hairston's contributions are a blip on the radar screen, and somewhat irrelevant to the big picture). Virtually every year, regardless of the talent level of the cast and crew, the Cardinals coax exceptionally proficient and professional plate appearances out of their personnel. They pretty much execute in every aspect of the game, and as a result they exceed expectations, and their sum is greater than the parts therein.

By contrast, the mentally enervated Reds' team usually displays a production and consistency that greatly underperforms the sum of it's individual talents. It's yet another reason why the tactically flawed and plate discipline bereft Dusty Baker was a terrible fit for this squad.

That is the most concise summary of the difference in the two teams I have seen to date. Great post.

On paper as an individual at this point in their careers, how many guys from St Louis would you take over his counterpart from the Reds? Put Bruce in RF and I would take the Cards 1B, C and CF. Thats about it. Yet even with a massive amount of injuries they are 12 games over .500, we are 5 games under(and counting).

I normally side with the stats guys but our team needs a culture change. I know we'll never replace his numbers but Dunn, JR and anyone not named Bruce, Volquez or Cueto can go for the right price as far as I'm concerned. There is something fundamentally dysfunctional in that clubhouse, it needs to be exorcised.

Sad to say but this is the day I give up on yet another season.

[reds44]

Well, we have one less thing to worry about the next 2 days.

* Word from the Cardinals clubhouse is to expect Pujols to go on the disabled list. He had a preexisting calf injury and this could mean a lengthy stay on the DL.

[Degenerate39]

Originally Posted by reds44

Well, we have one less thing to worry about the next 2 days.

This could affect the Cards chances at the Wild Card significantly but at least he won't hit his 300th homer at GABP.

[WVRedsFan]

Originally Posted by Stormy

You should include phrases like 'mentally tough', 'proficiency' and 'sound execution' to that description (even though I think Hairston's contributions are a blip on the radar screen, and somewhat irrelevant to the big picture). Virtually every year, regardless of the talent level of the cast and crew, the Cardinals coax exceptionally proficient and professional plate appearances out of their personnel. They pretty much execute in every aspect of the game, and as a result they exceed expectations, and their sum is greater than the parts therein.

By contrast, the mentally enervated Reds' team usually displays a production and consistency that greatly underperforms the sum of it's individual talents. It's yet another reason why the tactically flawed and plate discipline bereft Dusty Baker was a terrible fit for this squad.

Well put.

[11larkin11]

Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

This game was over the second they pencilled in Bailey's name.

He's not a major league starting pitcher right now. And if he ever is it will have to be with a wholly different approach; no way in hell he becomes a bulldozing high-K pitcher with the stuff he possesses. If he sticks in the majors, he will have made a sea change.

If he has one more outing like this, against Boston albeit, I like the idea of giving him the Volquez/Dontrelle treatment: See you in the FSL Homer. And I was a proponent of bringing him up too. He needs some teaching, and God know Dick freaking Pole ain't gonna do it.