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06-04-2011, 02:46 AM
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Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
Not to put pressure on him, but the simple move Dusty made to bat him behind Joey might become legend. It has been a factor in every game since. This team has looked different from precisely the moment that decision was made.
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06-04-2011, 09:44 AM
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Viva la Rolen
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
Your thread title brings up an interesting question. Who is the NL MVP at this point?
Votto's OBP/OPS makes him my choice today, despite not having as "glamourous" a season as Bruce. The guy gets on base like a champ. Hard to believe there is a legitimate question as to which of 2 players on the Reds should be MVP. (Granted a couple guys from other teams are in the running as well) |
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06-04-2011, 09:56 AM
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
Here's a fairly reasoned assessment of the NL MVP race to date - it's still Votto.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...s-2011-nl-mvp/ Not sure where I read it, but there was a comment made that Bruce's recent hot streak has not necessarily correlated to Reds wins. In all fairness, that's hardly Jay's fault. If he consistently demonstrates his May abilities, the MVP will be a shoe-in. |
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06-04-2011, 10:34 AM
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
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06-04-2011, 10:42 AM
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
Interesting to see this link below the MVP discussion. Didn't realize he'd been scuffling so bad.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...aw-last-night/
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06-04-2011, 11:09 AM
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
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You're absolutely correct, though, that his RBI total would probably be higher than it is now. I just wonder if it would be too much greater. They really don't want much to do with him (understandably).
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06-04-2011, 11:35 AM
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
IMO the MVP is not a Cincinnati Red at this point. I believe we have two Albert Pujols' from a year ago on our team. The only reason I say this is because the MVP usually comes from a winner. Right now we are in 3rd place. The way I see it, if these two are so valuable, the team should be in 1st place. Right now they are just two sets of good stats. The MVP is supposed to be the guy that his team could not win without and with the lack of wins, it looks like their efforts are not enough. The day this team takes over the division lead and these guys are still leading the way, is when we need to start arguing about how they will take votes away from each other and a third party will win by default.
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06-04-2011, 12:12 PM
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
20 years ago I'd say he's the clear favorite. But if the voting took place today, I'd put my money on Braun or Berkman, probably Berkman. The voters will want to reward the story of him going back to the outfield and getting his offensive game back for a division leading squad.
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06-04-2011, 12:29 PM
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06-04-2011, 12:36 PM
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
I think the winner of the MVP this year will be on the team that manages to win the central. Logical arguments could be made for Votto, Berkman, Holliday, or Braun.
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06-04-2011, 12:39 PM
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Holliday or Votto would make much more sense.
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06-04-2011, 12:45 PM
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Viva la Rolen
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06-04-2011, 12:56 PM
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Kal, this might sound crazy, but Bruce needs to raise that average a bit before I consider him an MVP candidate. Right now, it seems that he is doing the best impression of Ryan Howard in 2006. Howard won the MVP in 2006 but many feel, including me, that he was a product more of the lineup he was in. There was no way he should have won the MVP over Pujols that year. Right now, if Bruce were to receive the MVP over Votto, it would truely be a shame. I also believe that at the end of the year, Pujols is still going to be a factor in this discussion. The way he has been swinging the bat lately, by the end of the year he could be up to his traditional numbers.
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06-04-2011, 01:14 PM
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06-04-2011, 01:57 PM
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Re: Isn't Jay Bruce the NL MVP at this point?
Votto or Bruce...MVP.
This is not a bad thing 
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