The 2020 NFL Season

[Boston Red]

The Cowboys are currently jealous of the Bengals's comparitively competent organization.

I guess I was mistaken.

[Bob Sheed]

I guess I was mistaken.

Like I said, the Bengals are the Johnny Bench of ineptitude. Comparing anyone else's ineptitude to the Bengals will always fall short.

[WVRed]

I would say the franchises have been about the same. Cowboys have more playoff wins, Bengals were more consistently good recently. The Bengals have been a bad franchise in a boring way, the Cowboys have been a bad franchise in the most chaotic way.

Yep.

Mike Brown refuses to spend meaningful money and has only been successful with Marvin running the show.

Jerry Jones will spend whatever it takes to win and has built the Cowboys into a marketing dream. It’s kinda like the Cubs during the 90s though, it’s built up an annoying fan base that gets shamed with their overratedness.

[JaxRed]

Is Mitch Trubisky back?

[Boston Red]

I heart Lamar Jackson.

[JaxRed]

Is Mitch Trubisky back?

The Athletic basically asking the same thing. I'd offer him 3 years, 10 mill each. There are going to be a LOT of QB options out there on the market this year.

https://theathletic.com/2274747/2020/12/20/mitch-trubisky-bears-contract/?source=spotrac&pc=spotrac40off2

[JaxRed]

Speaking of teams and their QBs getting a second life, when we woke up this morning, Lawrence was a Jet and you were wondering who would they trade Darnold to. Now Lawrence is a Jag, and part of that is because Darnold looked pretty darn good.

You have 2 more games to look at Darnold. He's signed to a rookie deal for next year at a cheap rate, and has a 5th year option available. If he plays well, not going after a QB leaves you a lot of options for 2021 draft, in which you'll hold the first pick that people can realistically trade for. They already have 2 first rounders in each of the next 2 years, and 2nd most cap space in 2021.

[oregonred]

The Jags HC job just became incredibly attractive

I can't stop laughing at the Jets and the NFL counting on having Trevor Lawrence in the NY Market the next 10-15 years

Bummer is I think it makes Sewell to the Bengals at #3 less viable and no confidence the FO would be creative enough to trade the #3 pick to a QB needy team

[Boston Red]

26% of my survivor pool had the Rams, so that Jets win was clutch!

[oregonred]

Jets should have beaten the Raiders and they really should be a 5-9/6-10 type team minus complete coaching incompetence

[Todd Gack]

We need to fire up those 2019 NFL draft and Dwayne Haskins takes.

[JaxRed]

We need to fire up those 2019 NFL draft and Dwayne Haskins takes.

I'll do that when I get back from the strip club.

[GAC]

It appears Josh Gordon will not be returning to the field any time soon. Sad.

[Chip R]

It appears Josh Gordon will not be returning to the field any time soon. Sad.

Crazy thing is, the NFL isn't suspending anyone for weed anymore.

[Assembly Hall]

Crazy thing is, the NFL isn't suspending anyone for weed anymore.

Yeah, that weed thing got me kicked out of the league years ago.

[Bob Sheed]

Crazy thing is, the NFL isn't suspending anyone for weed anymore.

If I am Ricky Williams, I am slightly angry about this.

[JaxRed]

If I am Ricky Williams, I am slightly angry about this.

Rickey is pretty mellow right now.

[GAC]

Crazy thing is, the NFL isn't suspending anyone for weed anymore.

True. But his violation (suspension) was dual ... marijuana and performance-enhancing drugs. This would be his sixth offense, and for whatever reason(s) the NFL has put him on the suspension list.

I like that new CBA on marijuana/drugs .... we won't suspend you, we'll just progressively fine (tax) you as each offense occurs. And after the fourth offense you just have to enter the NFL's "counseling" program.

[adkindo]

Tampa Bay locking a Wild Card playoff spot with a 1st Half offensive explosion. Brady is 22 of 27 for 348 yards and 4 TDS....a TD pass to Gronk, Evans, Godwin and Antonio Brown. Fournette adding a score on the ground.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Browns going to play the Jets without wide receivers apparently.

To expand Landry, Higgins, Hodge and Peoples-Jones are all on the covid list and can’t play. Marvin Hall and 2 practice squad guys will be it for the Browns.

[Boston Red]

That Dolphins/Raiders game was insane the last 4 minutes. I still can't believe Fitzpatrick hasn't been playing for the Dolphins all season.

[adkindo]

That Dolphins/Raiders game was insane the last 4 minutes. I still can't believe Fitzpatrick hasn't been playing for the Dolphins all season.

Love it when Fitzmagic is rolling...

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[Kingspoint]

That Dolphins/Raiders game was insane the last 4 minutes. I still can't believe Fitzpatrick hasn't been playing for the Dolphins all season.

And, instantly sent back to the bench for Week 17 by the Head Coach after the game.

[WVRed]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30605057/sources-nfl-teams-ask-urban-meyer-interest-return-coaching

I can’t see it and even if he did I see him being more like Steve Spurrier than Pete Carroll or Jimmy Johnson but picturing him coaching Trevor Lawrence would be something.

[oregonred]

I never thought Urban would be an NFL fit but the Jags opportunity with TL, smaller market, nice weather and all their extra picks and cap space could be the perfect fit if he was interested.

[JaxRed]

Jags fan here. And Buckeye fan. I have mixed emotions. I wonder how much of Urban's success is simply based on having superior talent over the years based on recruiting? Is he really a great coach or is just better talent? I don't really know.

I wonder sometimes whether he might be more comfortable in the old Tom Coughlin role, where he oversees Football operations. But isn't the coach. Although TC had total control. I'd prefer the method where he turns control over to the GM until he decides a change of GM needs to be made.

I don't think Jags are headed in that direction, however.

[KoryMac5]

Are the Raiders really paying Gruden 10 mil a season...for basically a .500 ball club. The Raiders play calling was awful last night.

[adkindo]

Jags fan here. And Buckeye fan. I have mixed emotions. I wonder how much of Urban's success is simply based on having superior talent over the years based on recruiting? Is he really a great coach or is just better talent? I don't really know.

I wonder sometimes whether he might be more comfortable in the old Tom Coughlin role, where he oversees Football operations. But isn't the coach. Although TC had total control. I'd prefer the method where he turns control over to the GM until he decides a change of GM needs to be made.

I don't think Jags are headed in that direction, however.

not sure, but I have heard a lot of voices claim Ryan Day is a much better game day coach that Urban ever was...

[WVRed]

Jags fan here. And Buckeye fan. I have mixed emotions. I wonder how much of Urban's success is simply based on having superior talent over the years based on recruiting? Is he really a great coach or is just better talent? I don't really know.

I wonder sometimes whether he might be more comfortable in the old Tom Coughlin role, where he oversees Football operations. But isn't the coach. Although TC had total control. I'd prefer the method where he turns control over to the GM until he decides a change of GM needs to be made.

I don't think Jags are headed in that direction, however.

It’s kinda like the Dabo rumors.

I don’t think Dabo is all that great of a coach. He’s a tremendous recruiter but he has a hell of a staff that he has worked to keep intact. Take the staff away and have turnover like Saban has or Meyer had and see what happens.

[RedTeamGo!]

Omg the browns are going to miss the playoffs

[RedTeamGo!]

It’s kinda like the Dabo rumors.

I don’t think Dabo is all that great of a coach. He’s a tremendous recruiter but he has a hell of a staff that he has worked to keep intact. Take the staff away and have turnover like Saban has or Meyer had and see what happens.

In Urban’s case: you don’t win 3 national championships and go undefeated at Utah just because of great recruiting.

In Debo’s case: you don’t turn Clemson into a top 2 program in college football, a perennial national title favorite, and 2 time national champion because of good recruiting.

[WVRed]

In Urban’s case: you don’t win 3 national championships and go undefeated at Utah just because of great recruiting.

In Debo’s case: you don’t turn Clemson into a top 2 program in college football, a perennial national title favorite, and 2 time national champion because of good recruiting.

Meyer has had a lot of turnover in his staffs. It’s a compliment because he has an eye for talent both in players and a coaching staff.

Dabo has kept the same staff intact which is practically unheard of. Outside of Chad Morris throughout their success none of his coaches look to other jobs, namely Brent Venables.

Take Meyers assistants away he reloads. I don’t know if Dabo could do the same.

[WVRed]

Congrats to the Jaguars on winning the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes.

[Kingspoint]

Dalton looked like a Top-5 QB today. If the Cowboys win next week and WAS loses, Dallas wins the Division.

[adkindo]

Meyer has had a lot of turnover in his staffs. It’s a compliment because he has an eye for talent both in players and a coaching staff.

Dabo has kept the same staff intact which is practically unheard of. Outside of Chad Morris throughout their success none of his coaches look to other jobs, namely Brent Venables.

Take Meyers assistants away he reloads. I don’t know if Dabo could do the same.

have to give Dabo and Clemson credit for his staff remaining consistent. If the staff did not believe in Dabo and enjoy working for him they would bounce....and Clemson has stepped up to give the financial resources to make sure the staff is well compensated. I have to wonder if Venables is just self aware enough to know he would not excel as a head coach? If you are paid well and enjoy the job, nothing wrong with being a Mickey Andrews or Bud Foster....both college football legends that were not head coaches.

[adkindo]

If the Cowboys win next week and WAS loses, Dallas wins the Division.

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[Todd Gack]

Good Bye Dwayne. It was nice knowing you.

THis was the first red flag of Haskins' career.



Calvin Watkins
@calvinwatkins
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Apr 25, 2019
Dwayne Haskins had a draft party where he charged people $50 to get in. Always need a side hustle.

[ScotlandRed]

Not a great situation for Haskins. But a few people on here look pretty silly with their career predictions for Haskins. He’s looked utterly overmatched and out of his depth.

[WrongVerb]

Wonder if that means the WFT will trade up to get one of the three top quarterbacks in the draft.

[RichRed]

Wonder if that means the WFT will trade up to get one of the three top quarterbacks in the draft.

We’re fine with one-legged 36-year-old Alex Smith and former Old Dominion legend Taylor Heinicke at QB, thanks.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Not a great situation for Haskins. But a few people on here look pretty silly with their career predictions for Haskins. He’s looked utterly overmatched and out of his depth.

I definitely thought Haskins would be a good pro. He has amazing physical gifts, probably top 5 in the league. He obviously doesn’t prepare right and has massive maturity issues as this whole strip club incident embarrassingly revealed. Some of that is on coaching and the culture of the program he’s in, but it’s mostly on him. Hopefully he uses this to make the changes he needs to mentally and gets to a place like Pittsburgh or New England or the Rams where he can learn what he needs to do.

[adkindo]

Good Bye Dwayne. It was nice knowing you.

THis was the first red flag of Haskins' career.

Lets be honest....the first red flag was he was an Ohio State QB. The only recent Buckeye QB to have a relevant NFL career did it at Wide Receiver. I am mostly trolling an Buckeye leaning board, but the track record has not been good compared to other elite college football programs in recent decades.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Lets be honest....the first red flag was he was an Ohio State QB. The only recent Buckeye QB to have a relevant NFL career did it at Wide Receiver. I am mostly trolling an Buckeye leaning board, but the track record has not been good compared to other elite college football programs in recent decades.

I was actually talking to some buddies about this recently. It’s obviously weird that Ohio State hasn’t had a successful NFL QB in a long time, but you would think more schools would have more of a NFL pipeline and it’s not really a thing. Oklahoma is probably the best, but it’s slightly weird that almost all their guys transferred in. USC had a strong run for a bit, but it’s been a while (although Matt Barkley did just check into this Buffalo game). Clemson is about to likely have 2 great ones. Alabama doesn’t really have anyone, maybe Tua gets there but he’s a long ways away. I just mostly find it interesting how spread out the NFL QB talent is in general.

[adkindo]

I was actually talking to some buddies about this recently. It’s obviously weird that Ohio State hasn’t had a successful NFL QB in a long time, but you would think more schools would have more of a NFL pipeline and it’s not really a thing. Oklahoma is probably the best, but it’s slightly weird that almost all their guys transferred in. USC had a strong run for a bit, but it’s been a while (although Matt Barkley did just check into this Buffalo game). Clemson is about to likely have 2 great ones. Alabama doesn’t really have anyone, maybe Tua gets there but he’s a long ways away. I just mostly find it internet how spread out the NFL QB talent is in general.

There is an argument that QB's from dominant college teams struggle more in the NFL because they are accustomed to guys being open by 6 feet, while in the NFL 6" is often considered wide open. I have even heard Tua is struggling with that right now where he is not throwing the ball to open receivers because he is claiming they are covered, but coaches see them as open on film. It is not my theory, but it sounds logical....if you have Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, OJ Howard, Calvin Ridley, etc. beating inferior DB's most games running wide open routes, I can see it being a tough adjustment when guys like Jalen Ramsey and Denzel Ward are blanketing receivers giving you a split second at most of separation.

[kaldaniels]

Lets be honest....the first red flag was he was an Ohio State QB. The only recent Buckeye QB to have a relevant NFL career did it at Wide Receiver. I am mostly trolling an Buckeye leaning board, but the track record has not been good compared to other elite college football programs in recent decades.

Up your troll game my friend. What you said is true and shouldn’t strike a nerve with Buckeye fans.

[JaxRed]

I thought it would be good for Jags to snag Haskins. That was before they got Foles in FA. Seems like eons ago. Shows you why they scout guys for maturity ,etc. In retrospect that 2019 QB class seems pretty mediocre. Only Murray seems to be more than average at this point.

[adkindo]

Up your troll game my friend. What you said is true and shouldn’t strike a nerve with Buckeye fans.

well, it is not like I can point to the many WVU QB's littering the league. We have 2 in the league, and they are both QB2's.

[GAC]

I was actually talking to some buddies about this recently. It’s obviously weird that Ohio State hasn’t had a successful NFL QB in a long time, but you would think more schools would have more of a NFL pipeline and it’s not really a thing. Oklahoma is probably the best, but it’s slightly weird that almost all their guys transferred in. USC had a strong run for a bit, but it’s been a while (although Matt Barkley did just check into this Buffalo game). Clemson is about to likely have 2 great ones. Alabama doesn’t really have anyone, maybe Tua gets there but he’s a long ways away. I just mostly find it interesting how spread out the NFL QB talent is in general.

Yeah, it's not like one particular school or conference is consistently pumping out successful NFL QBs. But that's the problem IMO .... even though some will disagree with me, there is still a huge difference in the two levels of play betwen college and pros. Yes, it is closing, but the void is still there.

Ohio State, like other "elite" P5 programs, has a huge advantage in drawing that talent and developing some of the best college QBs in the land. Just like an Alabama, Clemson, whoever. Ohio State, from Troy Smith to Justin Fields, has developed some great college QBs; but there always seems to be something "lacking" in their game that hinders them when they get to the NFL. Look at JT Barrett who broke all of Drew Breese' B10 offensive records, as well as other college awards he won. Yet he couldn't consistently/successfully throw the ball downfield, Clemson stacked the line, and we all saw what happened. He then goes undrafted.

Every year we have this debate, and ESPN throws out who the best QBs are in competition for the Heisman, and who will most likely succeed in the NFL. And they play the hype up to the max.

But I will say this too .... a majority of these top-ranked college QBs go where? To the crappiest teams in the NFL with lots of issues, and they throw these kid's feet to the fire right away anymore.

Sometimes, it takes the NFL to "expose" them. ;)

Ohio State seems to have better luck with RBs and the LBer positions (lol).

[Hillsdale87]

After the overreaction from the Northwestern game, Fields is looking a bit better at #2


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[oregonred]

Jets have to consider Fields at 2. We (Bengals) need a Texans miracle vs Tennessee tomorrow to get ahead of Miami

[oregonred]

Fields is the best QB in OSU history and it isn't even close. This was only game 21 for Fields as a starting QB

[Ohayou]

- DeVonta Smith might have passed Ja'Marr Chase as WR1
- Najee Harris will be one of the biggest steals of the 1st round probably
- Mac Jones to Indy??

[WVRed]

- DeVonta Smith might have passed Ja'Marr Chase as WR1
- Najee Harris will be one of the biggest steals of the 1st round probably
- Mac Jones to Indy??

I’m calling it, Najee Harris to the Steelers.

[Ohayou]

I've seen him mocked there in a few drafts, but that seems way too low. Dude's been bulldozing people all year, a la Derrick Henry. I could see Arizona at the earliest. The Dolphins/Jets would be stupid to pass on him with their 2nd 1st round picks.

[Hillsdale87]

- DeVonta Smith might have passed Ja'Marr Chase as WR1
- Najee Harris will be one of the biggest steals of the 1st round probably
- Mac Jones to Indy??

I wouldn't mind the Steelers taking Harris. Yeah, he's really good, but it's rare that it's worth it to take a RB in the first round


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[WVRed]

I've seen him mocked there in a few drafts, but that seems way too low. Dude's been bulldozing people all year, a la Derrick Henry. I could see Arizona at the earliest. The Dolphins/Jets would be stupid to pass on him with their 2nd 1st round picks.

None of the mocks I’ve seen have him listed as a first rounder.

RB isn’t the premium position it used to be. You can get value as early as the second round (Mixon, Chubb, Dobbins alone in the AFC North)

[Ohayou]

Sure, but there's usually at least 2 that go in the 1st. Harris should be a lock, Etienne maybe. After that, the RB class kind of falls off, although I really like the two UNC backs, who will probably go rounds 3ish.

[JaxRed]

I think I saw Trey Sermon ranked #285 as prospect. Holy cow he's got to go higher than that.

[JaxRed]

Carson Wentz is a healthy scratch for Philadelphia. Schefter reports that Pederson is coming back and that Wentz will request a trade in off-season. I don't know who they can dump that contract on and how much of a cap hit Philly will take.

[kaldaniels]

Carson Wentz is a healthy scratch for Philadelphia. Schefter reports that Pederson is coming back and that Wentz will request a trade in off-season. I don't know who they can dump that contract on and how much of a cap hit Philly will take.

The fall of Wentz has been a sight to behold.

His old pal Reich is in Indy...it makes too much sense. (So long as his knee isn’t totally shot.)

[WrongVerb]

I think I saw Trey Sermon ranked #285 as prospect. Holy cow he's got to go higher than that.

If there's one thing I've learned through looking at mock drafts and big boards, and doing mock drafts, it's that outside of the top 5-10 college players in the country, analysts really don't have much clue about where players ought to be ranked.

[WrongVerb]

From the few snippets of the DAL vs NYG game I've seen on NFL RedZone, it looks line bad Andy showed up today for the Cowboys.

[WVRed]

I think I saw Trey Sermon ranked #285 as prospect. Holy cow he's got to go higher than that.

He’s had injury trouble at Oklahoma plus got beat out for the starting job there which is how he ended up at Ohio State.

[WVRed]

Adam Schefter: Dan Mullen ‘hoping to go’ to the NFL

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/schefter-dan-mullen-hoping-to-go-to-the-nfl/

Pat Fitzgerald, Matt Campbell, and Jim Harbaugh being floated as looking to bolt to the NFL. Ryan Day is not interested.

[Hillsdale87]

I think I saw Trey Sermon ranked #285 as prospect. Holy cow he's got to go higher than that.

I'd guess analysts just haven't updated their lists yet. I've seen multiple draft guys on Twitter say that they're going to need to move Sermon way up


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[KoryMac5]

Adam Gase Fired...

[RedTeamGo!]

The end of that Eagles/WFC game was bonkers. Imagine being Nate Sudfield and knowing you were put in to literally lose.

[Boss-Hog]

The end of that Eagles/WFC game was bonkers. Imagine being Nate Sudfield and knowing you were put in to literally lose.To top it off, called "Sunburn" on the post-game interview.

[Rojo Rijo]

Adam Schefter: Dan Mullen ‘hoping to go’ to the NFL

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/schefter-dan-mullen-hoping-to-go-to-the-nfl/

Pat Fitzgerald, Matt Campbell, and Jim Harbaugh being floated as looking to bolt to the NFL. Ryan Day is not interested.

I believe this was misheard and he actually said he was "open to going".

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Eagles players were "shocked" and "outraged" by head coach Doug Pederson's decision to bench Jalen Hurts in Week 17 against Washington. Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson after the QB change. Hurts was reportedly distraught about the decision to yank him in favor of Nate Sudfeld with the team trialing Washington by three points. The Eagles lost 20-14. Pederson defended the decision to bench Hurts so Sudfeld could get some playing time in a meaningless Week 17 game. He revised his reasoning the following day and rambled about offensive struggles with Hurts under center. Miles Sanders expressed frustration with Pederson's decision in a Tuesday interview. "If I'm being honest, nobody liked the decision. Nobody," he said. Having alienated his players at the tail end of a disastrous season, it's reasonable to question whether the team can bring Pederson back in 2021. Unless, of course, Pederson was told to lose the game. The Eagles have the sixth pick in the 2021 NFL draft; They would have selected ninth if they had beaten Washington.

SOURCE: Inquirer.com


Either way, how does Pederson keep his job?

[GAC]

So now the Browns will travel to Pittsburgh, for not only their most important game of the season, but for a long, long time (especially for the fans), and without HC Stefanski, their defensive backs and TE coaches, Pro Bowl Guard Bitonio, and WR Hodge. And if that's not enough, LT Jedrick Wills Jr. and WR Rashard Higgins were both cited for drag racing Tuesday morning (LOL) .... https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30658390/cleveland-browns-wr-rashard-higgins-cited-drag-racing

I really feel for veteran, and longest tenured Brown, Bitonio though. Geez!

[Assembly Hall]

So now the Browns will travel to Pittsburgh, for not only their most important game of the season, but for a long, long time (especially for the fans), and without HC Stefanski, their defensive backs and TE coaches, Pro Bowl Guard Bitonio, and WR Hodge. And if that's not enough, LT Jedrick Wills Jr. and WR Rashard Higgins were both cited for drag racing Tuesday morning (LOL) .... https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30658390/cleveland-browns-wr-rashard-higgins-cited-drag-racing

I really feel for veteran, and longest tenured Brown, Bitonio though. Geez!

Tough break for your Brownies...I still think you can beat them. Good luck.

[GAC]

Tough break for your Brownies...I still think you can beat them. Good luck.

Anything is possible. But in Pittsburgh? I'm hoping all that has come down recently will be more of a motivator, we got something to prove, then a let down. Show fight guys! Regardless of the outcome, I'm certainly proud of the direction and accomplishments of this 20 team. Something to look forward to. We need to improve our defense, especially at LBer.

[Ohayou]

Todd McShay released his first mock draft today...and has Justin Fields falling all the way down to the Patriots at #15... :laugh:

He also mocked Rashawn Slater to to Cincy. Turrible. Just turrible.

[Hillsdale87]

Todd McShay released his first mock draft today...and has Justin Fields falling all the way down to the Patriots at #15... :laugh:

He also mocked Rashawn Slater to to Cincy. Turrible. Just turrible.

I listened to McShay and Kiper's podcast yesterday, and, while I generally like McShay and understand that he knows way more about this stuff than me, a lot of his initial thoughts seem way off. I know he's doing this before a lot of teams make their decisions about potentially moving on from their QBs, but I can't see any scenario where the 3rd QB doesn't go until 15. Fields to NE at 15 would make people so angry :laugh:

He also has Shaun Wade at #13, which makes me think he has done very little work on these prospects yet. Wade looked like a 1st rounder last year, but his tape this year is atrocious. His first round projection last year was somewhat based on the belief that he would be able to move outside, but he proved this year that he can't do that. I think he can still be a very good slot corner/safety, but 13 is crazy.

McShay also thinks that the Jets stick with Darnold and that the Bengals trade up. We'll see, but I don't see either of those happening.

[adkindo]

I'd guess analysts just haven't updated their lists yet. I've seen multiple draft guys on Twitter say that they're going to need to move Sermon way up


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I can see him going as high as being a 2nd day guy.....depending on how he performs @ combine/pro day.

[Reds Freak]

The UC Bearcats applaud the time management of the Bills last drive. Yikes.

[adkindo]

Win or lose, I think Taylor Heinicke should have a NFL roster spot next season.

[Stray]

Win or lose, I think Taylor Heinicke should have a NFL roster spot next season.

That corner he threw into the endzone was pretty. I think he made himself a bunch of money tonight.

[adkindo]

That corner he threw into the endzone was pretty. I think he made himself a bunch of money tonight.

It kind of blew my mind how a guy that was on his couch taking online classes a month ago looked so freaking comfortable in a NFL playoff game. He looked like a top half of the NFL QB last night. He was a really good college QB, but he always probably had that small school tag hanging over him. I felt like last night he basically realized the odds were high that it would be his last NFL game unless he made a mark....and just went out and played "sandlot" style, using his mobility and playing catch with his receivers.

[Todd Gack]

I look for Lamar Latrell to finally win a playoff game today. The Titans are ripe for the taking. It will be an exciting game next weekend at Arrowhead (assuming Pittsburgh wins) with the Ravens defense playing so well.

[Kingspoint]

This makes so much sense for both clubs. MIA has the picks to go along with Tua to easily make this work. HOU needs to reboot with picks and a potential franchise QB in Tua. MIA will still have the picks to move up and swap with the NYJ and take Sewell. So, Sewell and Watson for the Dolphins adds to BUF's upwards projectory and the NEP will be heading towards the bottom of the East for a while after the Jets take a QB with the MIA pick and more help with the extra picks they get in the swap. HOU gets to use the extra picks they get to build around Tua. They would be wise to try to trade Watts, too, and acquire picks and young starter for him.


From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Texans QB Deshaun Watson "is still angry about team's insensitivity to social justice." Mort added that Watson's anger over the team's insensitivity to social justice issues includes their hiring practices and not even giving Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy an interview. Watson has reportedly gone to bat for Bieniemy within the Houston organization and Bieniemy's record should speak for itself. He has been the Chiefs OC in all three of Patrick Mahomes' three seasons as a starter and is serving under arguably the greatest offensive-minded head coach in the NFL, Andy Reid. Houston's refusal to interview him is questionable at best. Mort included the fact that Watson's new contract gave him a no-trade clause. With the no-trade clause in his deal, the Texans can't simply move Watson to the highest bidder. They will have to find a place Watson wants to land for him to waive the clause. Mort's sources speculated that a deal with Miami involving Tua Tagovailoa would be considered by Watson. The deal may be best for both parties at Tagovailoa has failed to live up to expectations in his first year and Watson's relationship with Houston may be fractured beyond repair.
SOURCE: Chris Mortensen on Twitter (https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1348308842149507078)

[WVRed]

This makes so much sense for both clubs. MIA has the picks to go along with Tua to easily make this work. HOU needs to reboot with picks and a potential franchise QB in Tua. MIA will still have the picks to move up and swap with the NYJ and take Sewell. So, Sewell and Watson for the Dolphins adds to BUF's upwards projectory and the NEP will be heading towards the bottom of the East for a while after the Jets take a QB with the MIA pick and more help with the extra picks they get in the swap. HOU gets to use the extra picks they get to build around Tua. They would be wise to try to trade Watts, too, and acquire picks and young starter for him.


From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Texans QB Deshaun Watson "is still angry about team's insensitivity to social justice." Mort added that Watson's anger over the team's insensitivity to social justice issues includes their hiring practices and not even giving Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy an interview. Watson has reportedly gone to bat for Bieniemy within the Houston organization and Bieniemy's record should speak for itself. He has been the Chiefs OC in all three of Patrick Mahomes' three seasons as a starter and is serving under arguably the greatest offensive-minded head coach in the NFL, Andy Reid. Houston's refusal to interview him is questionable at best. Mort included the fact that Watson's new contract gave him a no-trade clause. With the no-trade clause in his deal, the Texans can't simply move Watson to the highest bidder. They will have to find a place Watson wants to land for him to waive the clause. Mort's sources speculated that a deal with Miami involving Tua Tagovailoa would be considered by Watson. The deal may be best for both parties at Tagovailoa has failed to live up to expectations in his first year and Watson's relationship with Houston may be fractured beyond repair.
SOURCE: Chris Mortensen on Twitter (https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1348308842149507078)



I was thinking Denver if Miami falls through. Offer Lock, 2021 1st and 2nd and 2022 1st.

Imagine Watson with Gordon, Lindsay, Sutton, Jeudy, Hamler, and Fant

[redsfandan]

This makes so much sense for both clubs. MIA has the picks to go along with Tua to easily make this work. HOU needs to reboot with picks and a potential franchise QB in Tua. MIA will still have the picks to move up and swap with the NYJ and take Sewell. So, Sewell and Watson for the Dolphins adds to BUF's upwards projectory and the NEP will be heading towards the bottom of the East for a while after the Jets take a QB with the MIA pick and more help with the extra picks they get in the swap. HOU gets to use the extra picks they get to build around Tua. They would be wise to try to trade Watts, too, and acquire picks and young starter for him.


From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Texans QB Deshaun Watson "is still angry about team's insensitivity to social justice." Mort added that Watson's anger over the team's insensitivity to social justice issues includes their hiring practices and not even giving Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy an interview. Watson has reportedly gone to bat for Bieniemy within the Houston organization and Bieniemy's record should speak for itself. He has been the Chiefs OC in all three of Patrick Mahomes' three seasons as a starter and is serving under arguably the greatest offensive-minded head coach in the NFL, Andy Reid. Houston's refusal to interview him is questionable at best. Mort included the fact that Watson's new contract gave him a no-trade clause. With the no-trade clause in his deal, the Texans can't simply move Watson to the highest bidder. They will have to find a place Watson wants to land for him to waive the clause. Mort's sources speculated that a deal with Miami involving Tua Tagovailoa would be considered by Watson. The deal may be best for both parties at Tagovailoa has failed to live up to expectations in his first year and Watson's relationship with Houston may be fractured beyond repair.
SOURCE: Chris Mortensen on Twitter (https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1348308842149507078)



Dunno about them trading up to get Sewell but Watson to Miami would be something.

[Boston Red]

I'm as big a Lamar Jackson fan as there is, but he just threw the worst deep ball I think I've ever seen an NFL QB throw.

[Kingspoint]

Dunno about them trading up to get Sewell but Watson to Miami would be something.

MIA has more picks than they have contracts available for players. Don't forget how many rookies they added this off-season.

[redsfandan]

I was thinking Denver if Miami falls through. Offer Lock, 2021 1st and 2nd and 2022 1st.

Imagine Watson with Gordon, Lindsay, Sutton, Jeudy, Hamler, and Fant

The picks would be attractive but Lock?

But, you're right, Watson with those guys would be fun to watch

[Kingspoint]

I was thinking Denver if Miami falls through. Offer Lock, 2021 1st and 2nd and 2022 1st.

Imagine Watson with Gordon, Lindsay, Sutton, Jeudy, Hamler, and Fant

Just shows you that HOU needs to move Watson (and Watt) while they can. I can see Watt going to DEN, but Elway got kicked upstairs without a final decision on player personnel, so things should look differently in DEN now. Their biggest change should be a move far away from Elway's aggressive style, one very rare in the NFL. MIA, on the other hand, has the most aggressive front office in the NFL. They want something, they get it.

[WVRed]

The picks would be attractive but Lock?

But, you're right, Watson with those guys would be fun to watch

Tua>Lock. I think we can all agree.

It all comes down to how aggressive would Miami be including picks. If it’s banking on just Tua and maybe one pick I could see other teams joining.

[Boston Red]

I'm as big a Lamar Jackson fan as there is, but he just threw the worst deep ball I think I've ever seen an NFL QB throw.

Made up for it. That TD run was absurd.

[Todd Gack]

I'm as big a Lamar Jackson fan as there is, but he just threw the worst deep ball I think I've ever seen an NFL QB throw.

Thankfully Lamar can run because he has nothing else. You just have to sit back in the pocket and let him throw. He has the emotional intelligence of a 12-year-old. He threw a hissy fit on his last sack before his great TD run. Hell, you just need to remember his first INT he threw last year vs Tennessee where he also gets a 15-yard personal foul. Tennessee is playing with backups on half their defense this game and he's still struggling to throw the ball.

[Todd Gack]

This makes so much sense for both clubs. MIA has the picks to go along with Tua to easily make this work. HOU needs to reboot with picks and a potential franchise QB in Tua. MIA will still have the picks to move up and swap with the NYJ and take Sewell. So, Sewell and Watson for the Dolphins adds to BUF's upwards projectory and the NEP will be heading towards the bottom of the East for a while after the Jets take a QB with the MIA pick and more help with the extra picks they get in the swap. HOU gets to use the extra picks they get to build around Tua. They would be wise to try to trade Watts, too, and acquire picks and young starter for him.


From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Texans QB Deshaun Watson "is still angry about team's insensitivity to social justice." Mort added that Watson's anger over the team's insensitivity to social justice issues includes their hiring practices and not even giving Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy an interview. Watson has reportedly gone to bat for Bieniemy within the Houston organization and Bieniemy's record should speak for itself. He has been the Chiefs OC in all three of Patrick Mahomes' three seasons as a starter and is serving under arguably the greatest offensive-minded head coach in the NFL, Andy Reid. Houston's refusal to interview him is questionable at best. Mort included the fact that Watson's new contract gave him a no-trade clause. With the no-trade clause in his deal, the Texans can't simply move Watson to the highest bidder. They will have to find a place Watson wants to land for him to waive the clause. Mort's sources speculated that a deal with Miami involving Tua Tagovailoa would be considered by Watson. The deal may be best for both parties at Tagovailoa has failed to live up to expectations in his first year and Watson's relationship with Houston may be fractured beyond repair.
SOURCE: Chris Mortensen on Twitter (https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1348308842149507078)



Shutup DeShaun. I think pretty much every team in the league has passed on Bienemy at some point. He's been a "hot name" for how many years now? There are a lot of organizations that would LOVE to hire a black head coach.

Like I said, he's the Norm Chow of the NFL. He's a sexy HC candidate who was lucky to lead some really good offenses. There's a reason he's not getting some of these gigs.

[WVRed]

Thankfully Lamar can run because he has nothing else. You just have to sit back in the pocket and let him throw. He has the emotional intelligence of a 12-year-old. He threw a hissy fit on his last sack before his great TD run. Hell, you just need to remember his first INT he threw last year vs Tennessee where he also gets a 15-yard personal foul. Tennessee is playing with backups on half their defense this game and he's still struggling to throw the ball.

Doesn’t help that in addition to being a one trick pony he’s never came up when it matters. Happened in college and it’s happened so far in the pros.

[Boston Red]

Jackson has thrown 68 TDs vs. 18 Ints. So....I think he can do a bit more than run.

He just happens to be the best runner to ever play the position.

[Boston Red]

Doesn’t help that in addition to being a one trick pony he’s never came up when it matters. Happened in college and it’s happened so far in the pros.

Ha, yes, I recall he really struggling against #2 FSU when College Gameday was on campus. Not a big stage at all. Lol

Also, did you miss the Browns game this year?

[Kingspoint]

Shutup DeShaun. I think pretty much every team in the league has passed on Bienemy at some point. He's been a "hot name" for how many years now? There are a lot of organizations that would LOVE to hire a black head coach.

Like I said, he's the Norm Chow of the NFL. He's a sexy HC candidate who was lucky to lead some really good offenses. There's a reason he's not getting some of these gigs.

I think Watson is just frustrated seeing how things are happening in HOU and that was an easy platform to latch onto. HOU should still move him and Watt for picks and Tua.

[Todd Gack]

I think Watson is just frustrated seeing how things are happening in HOU and that was an easy platform to latch onto. HOU should still move him and Watt for picks and Tua.

I agree.

But at the same time, the dude just signed a $160,000,000 extension with the organization. How dense can he be?

[Todd Gack]

Ha, yes, I recall he really struggling against #2 FSU when College Gameday was on campus. Not a big stage at all. Lol

Also, did you miss the Browns game this year?

Those numbers mean nothing when he's been extremely mediocre in the postseason in 2.5 games so far. I mean, most of his passing yards were because the Chargers and Titans were playing a lot of soft coverage later in the games.

[Kingspoint]

I agree.

But at the same time, the dude just signed a $160,000,000 extension with the organization. How dense can he be?

At least he's still focused on winning football games instead of investments.

[Boston Red]

Those numbers mean nothing when he's been extremely mediocre in the postseason in 2.5 games so far.

He's definitely had his playoff struggles, but to say he can't throw is goofy.

[Kingspoint]

He seems to throw it to Mark Andrews really well. I'd be shocked if he doesn't throw a TD to Andrews in the 2nd Half. I'd be more shocked if he wins this game. TEN is much better than BAL. It won't be Jackson's fault they lose.

[Todd Gack]

He's definitely had his playoff struggles, but to say he can't throw is goofy.

He's extremely inconsistent. That's his problem. He has GREAT throws and then he has AWFUL throws. As a successful playoff QB, you can't have as bad as misses as he had in the 1H. You just can't.

The formula is there: Play contain/spy on him. Take away their run game as a whole. The longer this goes on throughout the game, the more he presses and the more he throws dumb passes.

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He seems to throw it to Mark Andrews really well. I'd be shocked if he doesn't throw a TD to Andrews in the 2nd Half. I'd be more shocked if he wins this game. TEN is much better than BAL. It won't be Jackson's fault they lose.

Tennessee's defense has been very suspect even with their starters. Baltimore has been KILLING people lately. They should win this game even if it's at TN.

[redsfandan]

He's extremely inconsistent. That's his problem. He has GREAT throws and then he has AWFUL throws. As a successful playoff QB, you can't have as bad as misses as he had in the 1H. You just can't.

The formula is there: Play contain/spy on him. Take away their run game as a whole. The longer this goes on throughout the game, the more he presses and the more he throws dumb passes.

And when he runs hit him HARD again and again and again so he doesn't want to run anymore.

[Todd Gack]

Another key stat that is the most damaging to Lamar and the fact that he's not a Passer: He's averaged getting sacked 5 times a game in 3 playoff games (2H of this game hasn't even started yet.) He averages 1.5 times/game in his regular season career.

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And when he runs hit him HARD again and again and again so he doesn't want to run anymore.

It's hard to hit him hard because he's so elusive. You just need to tighten his running windows in the pocket and he'll get frustrated.

[JaxRed]

Texans have a world of problems created by Bill O'Brien's GM stint. Watson's contract is one of them. His salary is reasonable next year, but the three years after that it averages 40 mill per season. Lack of draft choices is another.

If they can trade Watson for Tua AND get some picks? They should probably do that. Assuming they think Tua is going to be pretty good.

[Boston Red]

Ha, Ravens and Titans hate each other. That's fun.

[Todd Gack]

Ha, Ravens and Titans hate each other. That's fun.

I'm all for an "Eye for an Eye" in this regard.

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I know you can call "holding" on every play, but some of the holds you see LIVE are so egregious.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ever notice when some players are animated on the field they are called “fiery” and spoken positively about and when other players are animated on the field they are called “emotional” and spoken negatively about?

Weird.

Meanwhile, in reality, Lamar just put his team on his back and beat the team that went to the AFC Championship last year.

[RiverRat13]

Texans have a world of problems created by Bill O'Brien's GM stint. Watson's contract is one of them. His salary is reasonable next year, but the three years after that it averages 40 mill per season. Lack of draft choices is another.

If they can trade Watson for Tua AND get some picks? They should probably do that. Assuming they think Tua is going to be pretty good.Watson is an elite QB. He is paid appropriately. It would take both of the Dolphins' 1st round picks this year and their 1st round picks in '22 and '23 to get the conversation started.

[Roy Tucker]

Watching the Saints-Bears game on Nickelodeon. Kinda fun. Explaining the game in kids terms.

My wife said maybe she’ll understand football now.

[Todd Gack]

Ever notice when some players are animated on the field they are called “fiery” and spoken positively about and when other players are animated on the field they are called “emotional” and spoken negatively about?

Weird.

Meanwhile, in reality, Lamar just put his team on his back and beat the team that went to the AFC Championship last year.

I have never criticized Pat Mahomes or DeShaun Watson's on-the-field play. What gives?

[RedTeamGo!]

I have never criticized Pat Mahomes or DeShaun Watson's on-the-field play. What gives?

I didn’t say you had. Also not sure the connection between them and Lamar. Also, not directed at just you. Seems like a lot of people rag on Lamar for being “emotional.”

Just seems weird.

[Boston Red]

I have never criticized Pat Mahomes or DeShaun Watson's on-the-field play. What gives?

That's weird given Jackson is so much better than Watson.

(No one is better than Mahomes!)

[redsfandan]

That's weird given Jackson is so much better than Watson.

(No one is better than Mahomes!)

I wonder how many people would think that if Watson was actually on a good team.

[WrongVerb]

Nm

[Todd Gack]

I didn’t say you had. Also not sure the connection between them and Lamar. Also, not directed at just you. Seems like a lot of people rag on Lamar for being “emotional.”

Just seems weird.

The dude “lost it” last year vs TN. He was a wreck from the start and it cost him to lose to an inferior team last year. The only other time you saw that from him was in his loss to the Chargers the year before.

Also, I’m old to remember this being a racial issue a few years ago when I was the only one on this board criticizing Lamar for having obvious holes in his game and questioning whether he could carry a team very far in the playoffs.

[RedTeamGo!]

The dude “lost it” last year vs TN. He was a wreck from the start and it cost him to lose to an inferior team last year. The only other time you saw that from him was in his loss to the Chargers the year before.

Also, I’m old to remember this being a racial issue a few years ago when I was the only one on this board criticizing Lamar for having obvious holes in his game and questioning whether he could carry a team very far in the playoffs.

I don’t remember that and I didn’t say anything about race in my initial post. Just something that’s always bothered me. “So and so is an overly emotional player and it hurts the team” - “so and so is a fiery player and it really gets the rest of the team going!”

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What in the world is this Browns game????? Am I dreaming right now?

[Boston Red]

Jackson obviously isn't an elite passer, but the stats say he is more than serviceable. Add to that being the best athlete to ever play the position. Not exactly a "hole-y" resume.

[Boston Red]

This game is threatening to get interesting...

[WVRed]

This game is threatening to get interesting...

I said in the Browns thread but if any team could blow a 28 point lead it would be Cleveland.

[RedTeamGo!]

This game is threatening to get interesting...

It never stopped being interesting. It’s the browns.

[RedTeamGo!]

Browns are now actively trying to lose it appears.

Run up the middle on first and second down? Are you serious right now?

[Rojo Rijo]

Cleveland has made the timeless mistake of going up big quick and now playing not to lose instead of aggressive.

Pittsburgh will win this game.

[Boston Red]

Pitt not going 4th and 1 is just stupid.

[Hillsdale87]

These wild card games have seemed like a competition between coaches to see who can make the most cowardly decision to punt on 4th down. It's incredible how bad most coaches are at making the right decision. Tomlin has two terrible ones in this game. Carroll had a bunch, and Vrabel's punt in the fourth quarter cost his team the game.

One thing I appreciate about Taylor is that he's very aggressive on 4th down. He made some bad calls against the Colts, but other than that he was good on fourth.


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[redsfandan]

Cleveland has made the timeless mistake of going up big quick and now playing not to lose instead of aggressive.

Pittsburgh will win this game.

Maybe but Cleveland only has to score one more time, just a field goal.

[Boston Red]

And then I couldn't believe Harbaugh went for it on 4th with a chance for an easy FG for a 7 point lead.

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Pitt deserved that after punting. So dumb.

[redsfandan]

Pittsburgh isn't done but I think the Browns have enough of a lead now to hold on.

[RedTeamGo!]

YES!!! Nick Chubb just gave me a chubby!

[Rojo Rijo]

Cleveland has made the timeless mistake of going up big quick and now playing not to lose instead of aggressive.

Pittsburgh will win this game.

Never mind. Not going for it on 4th and 1 was surprising. Now the Browns strike. 19 point game, this one is over.

From 11-0 to 1-5 is not something you see often.

[Boston Red]

I think Pitt will need a turnover now.

[Assembly Hall]

Browns to the Super Bowl.

[Boston Red]

Browns to the Super Bowl.

Well, losing to the Chiefs is really every other team's ceiling, so it's kind of a Super Bowl.

[redsfandan]

Browns to the Super Bowl.

LOL They'll have to head to Baltimore first and then KC. So, IF they make it to the Super Bowl they'll have to earn it the hard way.

[adkindo]

not a Big Ben fan, but if he retires.....terrible game to go out on

[Boston Red]

not a Big Ben fan, but if he retires.....terrible game to go out on

Any chance Tomlin would get out ahead of a rebuild if Ben retires?

[RedTeamGo!]

LOL They'll have to head to Baltimore first and then KC. So, IF they make it to the Super Bowl they'll have to earn it the hard way.

Nah, they play KC next weekend. Ravens play the Bills.

[redsfandan]

Sometimes interesting things can be found on Wikipedia:


Michael Pettaway Tomlin (born March 15, 1972) is an American football coach who is probably the greatest waster of talent in the history of the NFL. He has had a Hall of Fame QB for over a decade and has only won one Super Bowl with him on a team he didn't even have to create. The standard is the standard. Pathetic.

Lol

edit: someone just fixed it

[RedTeamGo!]

Roetisberger just had a look on his face like he’s going to retire. Just looked spent.

[Boston Red]

So 75% of the teams in the AFC semis have QBs from the first round of the 2018 draft. Pretty good. On the other hand, the NFC has three old vets...and John Wolford?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Roetisberger just had a look on his face like he’s going to retire. Just looked spent.

Agree. That looks like a dude that is done.

[redsfandan]

Nah, they play KC next weekend. Ravens play the Bills.

My mistake. I hope the Browns are 100% next Sunday. Injuries and Covid made their season a little tougher.

[BuckeyeRed27]

My mistake. I hope the Browns are 100% next Sunday. Injuries and Covid made their season a little tougher.

I hope Mahomes, Kelce and Hill have been hanging out in large crowds of unmasked strangers this week.

[SteelSD]

Roetisberger just had a look on his face like he’s going to retire. Just looked spent.

I expect offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner to be a casualty of the Steelers' late season collapse. He's Ben's guy, so that might just motivate him to hang it up. I'd actually be ok with that and use the 19M (of 41M) saved to kick the tires on a Carson Wentz (1st choice) or Sam Darnold (2nd choice) trade.

[adkindo]

I expect offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner to be a casualty of the Steelers' late season collapse. He's Ben's guy, so that might just motivate him to hang it up. I'd actually be ok with that and use the 19M (of 41M) saved to kick the tires on a Carson Wentz (1st choice) or Sam Darnold (2nd choice) trade.

I would rather go with Taylor Heinicke ;)

[GAC]

I am still in utter shock over that Browns-Steelers game last night. I never say never, but c'mon! This team was the most depleted then at any other time in the season - and at a really bad (critical) time - PLUS traveling to Pittsburgh where we all know the history. No, I didn't have a good feeling, and felt the odds were stacked against us. Along with missing coaching staff and other key players, I felt the loss of All-Pro Guard Bitonio, the rock of that O-line that protects Baker vs a Steeler defensive front, was going to make it a long night.

That was nothing more then one gutsy, grit-filled, will not be denied, effort. I'm quite impressed.

[WVRed]

I expect offensive coordinator Randy Fichtner to be a casualty of the Steelers' late season collapse. He's Ben's guy, so that might just motivate him to hang it up. I'd actually be ok with that and use the 19M (of 41M) saved to kick the tires on a Carson Wentz (1st choice) or Sam Darnold (2nd choice) trade.

I have some friends who are Steeler fans who were calling for Tomlins head last night. I can’t imagine him being the casualty given the Steelers have had three coaches since 1969.

Whether Ben returns or not they need to upgrade at RB. If Najee Harris or Travis Etienne are on the board when the Steelers pick they need to go back to ground and pound.

[adkindo]

Any chance Tomlin would get out ahead of a rebuild if Ben retires?

I do not know...never really heard anything about his thoughts on a rebuild. It would be a heck of a legacy item if he could go through a rebuild and get them back to being contenders.

[WVRed]

not a Big Ben fan, but if he retires.....terrible game to go out on

Can’t be worse than Dan Marino.

I hate the Steelers but overall fatigue caught up to this team. They had to take their bye in week 3 due to Covid and toward Thanksgiving played three games in like 11 days or something. That was when the wheels fell off but they were an overrated 11-0 before then anyways.

Roethlisberger could go either way. I see him being this generations Brett Favre. Will he or won’t he will be the talk on every sport outlet over the next month.

[Bob Sheed]

Any chance Tomlin would get out ahead of a rebuild if Ben retires?

Teams like the Steelers don't rebuild. Nor do they blame injuries. Those are things that loser franchises do.

When was the last time the St. Louis Cardinals had a "rebuilding" season?

[Bob Sheed]

I have some friends who are Steeler fans who were calling for Tomlins head last night. I can’t imagine him being the casualty given the Steelers have had three coaches since 1969.

Whether Ben returns or not they need to upgrade at RB. If Najee Harris or Travis Etienne are on the board when the Steelers pick they need to go back to ground and pound.

It's Ben. All of his passes sail high, which means he isn't stepping into his throws. It's true they don't have a run game to fall back on or establish the pass. The Browns are an aberration though, these days... Gotta be able to throw the ball to win.

[adkindo]

Opening lines are out (MGM)...


- Los Angeles Rams at Green Bay Packers (-7)

- Baltimore Ravens at Buffalo Bills (-2.5)

- Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10)

- Tampa Bay Buccaneers at New Orleans Saints (-3)

I am leaning Rams (+7), Ravens (+2.5), Chiefs (-10) and Bucs (+3)

[RedTeamGo!]

-10 to the chiefs. I’m not a gambling man, but that is tempting. I don’t think they will beat the browns by more than a TD. Chiefs have a garbage rush defense and the browns have one of the best rushing attacks in the league with two elite RBs.

[forfreelin04]

Don't quote me because I'm not much of a gambler, but I believe the Chiefs only covered the spread once in their last 8 games. A three point cover against the Saints in which they won by exactly three points.

My initial thoughts:
Green Bay covers (Especially if Donald plays a limited snap count)
Bills over Ravens (Basing this on home field for the Bill alone. What a game! Bills on 7 game winning streak; Ravens have a 6 game winning streak)
Chiefs to win, but I'll take the under on track record alone. Browns run game may make this one very close.
Bucs over Saints (Third game of the year between these teams; don't see Brees beating Brady three times in one year; also Saints have track record of choking in this round I believe)

[WrongVerb]

Dan Graziano
@DanGrazianoESPN
Per source, Doug Pederson is out in Philadelphia.
11:02 AM · Jan 11, 2021

[WVRed]

How long before he’s introduced for the Jets?

[Hillsdale87]

- Los Angeles Rams at Green Bay Packers (-7): I think I would take the Rams outright this week. It sounds like Donald will probably play. I'd imagine Ramsey is going to shadow Adams this week, and he's a massive part of their offense. Rodgers has had a great year, but he's faced pretty easy opponents. He looked good for the most part last year against a cupcake schedule but was pretty bad against really good defenses. Rodgers can certainly have an incredible game and carry the team on his back, but I think there's value on the Rams pulling an upset.

- Baltimore Ravens at Buffalo Bills (-2.5): The Bills are so explosive. Ravens defense is very good, but I think the Bills are still going to put up a lot of points.

- Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10): Andy Reid off a bye is incredible. The Chiefs have been sleepwalking through most of the season, and I think they'll turn it on here. The Browns are on such a high after the win last night that it feels like it could be a letdown spot.

- Tampa Bay Buccaneers at New Orleans Saints (-3): I have no feel for this game. Brady has been on fire. I think TB is playing better, but they got crushed both games this year.

[WVRed]

Maurice Pouncey to retire:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-steelers-c-maurkice-pouncey-202052563.html

Why is this significant? He said he would keep playing as long as Roethlisberger does (and vice versa).

[Kingspoint]

Maurice Pouncey to retire:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-steelers-c-maurkice-pouncey-202052563.html

Why is this significant? He said he would keep playing as long as Roethlisberger does (and vice versa).

Maybe it was thst first snap Sunday Night that decided it for him.

[Kingspoint]

Forgot about how good Reid is coming off a bye. Celebrate now Browns' fans. You still have several more playoff victories, even completely starting over, than the Bengals since they last had one.

[Kingspoint]

- Los Angeles Rams at Green Bay Packers (-7): I think I would take the Rams outright this week. It sounds like Donald will probably play. I'd imagine Ramsey is going to shadow Adams this week, and he's a massive part of their offense. Rodgers has had a great year, but he's faced pretty easy opponents. He looked good for the most part last year against a cupcake schedule but was pretty bad against really good defenses. Rodgers can certainly have an incredible game and carry the team on his back, but I think there's value on the Rams pulling an upset.

- Baltimore Ravens at Buffalo Bills (-2.5): The Bills are so explosive. Ravens defense is very good, but I think the Bills are still going to put up a lot of points.

- Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs (-10): Andy Reid off a bye is incredible. The Chiefs have been sleepwalking through most of the season, and I think they'll turn it on here. The Browns are on such a high after the win last night that it feels like it could be a letdown spot.

- Tampa Bay Buccaneers at New Orleans Saints (-3): I have no feel for this game. Brady has been on fire. I think TB is playing better, but they got crushed both games this year.

Rogers is the MVP of the league. He'll win the Super Bowl deservedly now that it's been exposed how terrible Mike McCarthy was and rub it into McCarthy's face.

[ScotlandRed]

Is it just me or is this young crop of Steelers just the most arrogant and self entitled out there? They have done nothing to warrant their attitude. Their demise over the next few years is going to be pleasing.

[WVRed]

Is it just me or is this young crop of Steelers just the most arrogant and self entitled out there? They have done nothing to warrant their attitude. Their demise over the next few years is going to be pleasing.

Juju is going to be gone most likely. Claypool’s comments sounded like sour grapes

TJ Watt and Minkah Fitzpatrick are going to command a lot of money and that may signal the end for Roethlisberger if not this season then definitely next. Pouncey is already retiring and if Fichtner takes the fall for the collapse as rumored Ben may follow them.

[Roy Tucker]

I liked the Slime Zone in the Nickelodeon broadcast. I found the whole thing refreshing.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

The Texans have requested permission to interview Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy for their head-coaching vacancy. The Texans have supposedly "essentially started their search over" since hiring GM Nick Caserio. Franchise player Deshaun Watson was furious when the team did not even reach out to Bieniemy, who is arguably the strongest candidate available this winter. Of course, this could amount to little more than an empty gesture, as the Texans missed the initial window to interview Bieniemy. Now they can't talk to him until after the Super Bowl or following the Chiefs' elimination. The Chiefs, of course, are in commanding position to reach another title game. Bieniemy probably doesn't have the luxury of keeping this opportunity open, as it would be extremely rare for a departing Super Bowl coordinator not to have his next job unofficially lined up before the big game.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

Gus Bradley hired as DC for the Raiders and GM John Schneider given a 5-yr extension with the Seahawks.

[Kingspoint]

Yesterday's news: Dan Quinn hired to be the DC in Dallas.

[Hillsdale87]

Rogers is the MVP of the league. He'll win the Super Bowl deservedly now that it's been exposed how terrible Mike McCarthy was and rub it into McCarthy's face.

Very possible. He's looked much better this year than for the last few years. McCarthy definitely seems like he was an issue, but Rodgers was pretty mediocre last year too. He's gone from #20 in QBR in 2019 to #1 in 2020. He's always been one of the most talented players in the league, but I thought he looked sloppy last year and looks much more focused this year. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes on a crazy run, but considering that his last few games against elite defenses haven't been great, I think the Rams have decent odds. Then again, Goff is historically terrible in the cold, and a busted thumb won't help.

No matter what GB does this week, I'd be surprised if the Super Bowl doesn't come out of the AFC. I think the Bills and Chiefs are quite a bit above anybody else.

[Kingspoint]

Very possible. He's looked much better this year than for the last few years. McCarthy definitely seems like he was an issue, but Rodgers was pretty mediocre last year too. He's gone from #20 in QBR in 2019 to #1 in 2020. He's always been one of the most talented players in the league, but I thought he looked sloppy last year and looks much more focused this year. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes on a crazy run, but considering that his last few games against elite defenses haven't been great, I think the Rams have decent odds. Then again, Goff is historically terrible in the cold, and a busted thumb won't help.

No matter what GB does this week, I'd be surprised if the Super Bowl doesn't come out of the AFC. I think the Bills and Chiefs are quite a bit above anybody else.

I think it took a year to get used to the new system.

[WVRed]

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[Bob Sheed]

Sad Ben makes me happy.

[Hillsdale87]

The Dolphins may say that they're committed to Tua, but I'd still be surprised if they're not looking at the QBs. These quotes from players on the team about Tua are pretty bad. Not surprising, because they saw the same thing everybody else did. This is a huge decision because they're most likely not going to be picking up at the top for a long time.

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[adkindo]

The Dolphins may say that they're committed to Tua, but I'd still be surprised if they're not looking at the QBs. These quotes from players on the team about Tua are pretty bad. Not surprising, because they saw the same thing everybody else did. This is a huge decision because they're most likely not going to be picking up at the top for a long time.

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I do not have a lot of respect for guys on the team putting this out there without putting their name on it. If I was in the FO, I would be making an effort to find out who made these comments, and they would not have to worry about competing for a position.

[Hillsdale87]

I do not have a lot of respect for guys on the team putting this out there without putting their name on it. If I was in the FO, I would be making an effort to find out who made these comments, and they would not have to worry about competing for a position.

Yeah, I agree. This definitely creates drama that the Dolphins don't want. It's doesn't make it untrue though. They're just confirming what most people who watched the games thought. Maybe it was just coming back from injury? That's what the Dolphins have to be counting on.

[RiverRat13]

If I'm a Miami player, I want them to explore what it would take to get Watson. Watson would make the Dolphins legitimate AFC contenders the next few years.

[oregonred]

Chargers now in the mix for Urban Meyer

[Boston Red]

Who's the last "splashy" college coach to come into the NFL and be successful? Jim Harbaugh? Was he considered a success at the end of the day? Usually does not work out.

[Revering4Blue]

Chargers now in the mix for Urban MeyerLet's be honest...It's a better job than the open one in Jacksonville.

And I wouldn't bet against Herbert achieving more as an NFL QB than Lawrence when all is said and done. It's also apparent that Herbert was overlooked as an NFL prospect due to Oregon's dump-and-dink offense, which camouflaged both Mariotta's weaknessess and Herbert's strengths, such as throwing downfield.

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[RichRed]

Who's the last "splashy" college coach to come into the NFL and be successful? Jim Harbaugh? Was he considered a success at the end of the day? Usually does not work out.

Pete Carroll?

[Boston Red]

So 10 years. Don't like those odds on Meyer.

[Kingspoint]

The Dolphins may say that they're committed to Tua, but I'd still be surprised if they're not looking at the QBs. These quotes from players on the team about Tua are pretty bad. Not surprising, because they saw the same thing everybody else did. This is a huge decision because they're most likely not going to be picking up at the top for a long time.

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It would be foolish to put all their eggs into the Tua basket.

[RichRed]

So 10 years. Don't like those odds on Meyer.

How has it only been 10 years for Carroll? Seems like 30.

[Hillsdale87]

So 10 years. Don't like those odds on Meyer.

There haven't been a lot of college coaches that make the transition though. Harbaugh was a success, Carroll has been very good, and the early returns on Matt Rhule appear to be solid. Chip Kelly was a bust, but college coaches seem to have at least as much success as anybody else.

[Kingspoint]

How has it only been 10 years for Carroll? Seems like 30.

His legacy is no longer what he did in College, but what he accomplished in the NFL.

[oregonred]

Harbaugh at SF from Stanford and mediocre college coaches Kliff Kingsbury and even Bill O'Brien (coaching not as horrendous GM) have had recent success or seem on track in Kingsbury's case

In the reverse, Jim Harbaugh and Lovie Smith have failed miserably in their returns from NFL Super Bowl coaches to the college world. Jury out on Herm Edwards at ASU

Spurrier was looking for a payday and to ease into retirement with the Redskins. The vetting process for intent, staying power and desire to build a winner is obviously key. Chip Kelly was just not a fit with the Eagles and the NEast Media

Remember that plenty of "hot" NFL hires with NFL Coordinator or Head Coaching pedigrees fail each year

[Kingspoint]

Mike Riley had to crawl back to Corvallis with his tail between his legs. There's little doubt it's a lot more difficult to succeed in the NFL. Same goes for refs at the pro level.

[Hillsdale87]

Mike Riley had to crawl back to Corvallis with his tail between his legs. There's little doubt it's a lot more difficult to succeed in the NFL. Same goes for refs at the pro level.

Well Mike Riley also didn't really have much success at the college level.

[oregonred]

I was living out there at the time and Riley was an odd hire for the Chargers. He was only at Oregon State for 2 years and never even finished .500 during either year in Corvallis. It took Dennis Erickson right after he left to get things happening at Oregon State for a few years. An NFL prerequisite would assume some level of high level success as a major college coach

[adkindo]

Well Mike Riley also didn't really have much success at the college level.

He had a winning record @ Oregon State and even won double digit games one season. Some would say that is statue worthy. Dennis Erickson had a little success in his 4 years between Riley's two era's, but some people suggest it was kind of on the back of the foundation Riley was building there his first go around. Outside of that, you have to go back to 1970 to even find an Oregon State roster with a winning record on the season. Oregon State has mostly been terrible in football for decades. I think they have escaped some of the stigma attached to Rutgers and Kansas because they are on the West Coast. I guess it depends on the angle you are viewing the situation...it is like when I say Bob Huggins is the most successful coach in WVU basketball history....that might be hard for a Duke fan to understand given that Huggins has never won a National Championship @ WVU.

[adkindo]

I was living out there at the time and Riley was an odd hire for the Chargers. He was only at Oregon State for 2 years and never even finished .500 during either year in Corvallis. It took Dennis Erickson right after he left to get things happening at Oregon State for a few years. An NFL prerequisite would assume some level of high level success as a major college coach

if you follow the progression, there is a case that Riley is partly responsible for Ericksons success.

1995 - (1 - 10) Pettibone
1996 - (2 - 9) Pettibone
1997 - (3 - 8) Riley
1998 - (5 - 6) Riley
1999 - (7 - 5) Erickson
2000 - (11 - 1) Erickson
2001 - (5 - 6) Erickson
2002 - (8 - 5) Erickson
2003 - (8 - 5) Riley
2004 - (7 - 5) Riley

[RiverRat13]

Had Brees not failed his Miami physical, Saban may still be there. Urban would have the advantage of having the franchise QB on day 1. Without that, he would not be sniffing this job.

[oregonred]

I mean Riley went 8-14 at Oregon State before getting the Chargers job so not sure what they expected and how that is much relevant to the conversation. The NFL has followed the College game the last few years with QB mobility and open offense in space schemes.

For sure, the NFL is all about the QB. Great position to be joining a franchise with a franchise QB on a rookie contract

Jacksonville makes a ton of sense as a small market, TL and North Florida is a great fit with Urban and his family

I am excited to see what happens in Jax the next few years

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Panthers hired Seahawks VP of football operations Scott Fitterer as general manager. With the Seahawks since 2001, Fitterer just completed his sixth season as VP of football operations. Something of an annual candidate on the interview circuit, Fitterer had never find the right fit to leave Seattle. Fitterer has a background in both college scouting and pro personnel, but he is most known for his work on the college side. A survivor of three head coaches and a handful of front offices in Seattle, Fitterer will be tasked with furthering ex-college coach Matt Rhule's NFL evolution, something he has experience with from working with Pete Carroll.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

I mean Riley went 8-14 at Oregon State before getting the Chargers job so not sure what they expected and how that is much relevant to the conversation. The NFL has followed the College game the last few years with QB mobility and open offense in space schemes.

For sure, the NFL is all about the QB. Great position to be joining a franchise with a franchise QB on a rookie contract

Jacksonville makes a ton of sense as a small market, TL and North Florida is a great fit with Urban and his family

I am excited to see what happens in Jax the next few years

His teams always worked with the smallest recruiting class in the Conference, but by the end of the season was as good as any team in the conference.

Mike Riley was there at USC for four years, so there was probably a relationship already in place. He always prepared his most talented players well for the NFL where they always exceeded expectations, before and after he was in the NFL.

Some people's ceilings are simply college. It is a thousand times easier.

[WVRed]

Had Brees not failed his Miami physical, Saban may still be there. Urban would have the advantage of having the franchise QB on day 1. Without that, he would not be sniffing this job.

I’m kinda surprised nobody is kicking the tires on Dabo given his past comments about leaving college if the players start getting paid.

Not that Meyer isn’t a coup for Jacksonville but the thought of bringing in TLs head coach with him would have had to be considered wouldn’t it?

[oregonred]

Given college portal, free agency and the mess that is becoming college football - will coaches soon need to bring lawyers and brand marketing people to recruiting visits while the player brings their parents, agent, brand person and a lawyer... seems the NFL of 2021, with the right organization and support structure, may be a less stressful gig than being a major college football coach

[Kingspoint]

The NFL (unless you're Marvin Lewis and the Bengals) Head-Coaching gig is still a 4am to Midnight job, 7 days a week. That's just not close to the case in college. Night and day difference in difficulty level.

[WVRed]

Urban Meyer to Jacksonville is official.

[WrongVerb]

The NFL (unless you're Marvin Lewis and the Bengals) Head-Coaching gig is still a 4am to Midnight job, 7 days a week. That's just not close to the case in college. Night and day difference in difficulty level.

That's why Steve Spurrier failed in the early '00s.

[WVRed]

That's why Steve Spurrier failed in the early '00s.

I’d argue that college isn’t nowhere near as stressful as it was in the past.

Most of college football was recruiting and now the head coaches have recruiting coordinators that handle it. They might be involved with big time recruits trying to lock them down but there’s so many coaches/analysts now compared to the 90s.

[GAC]

So the Jags land Meyer, meaning Myer will most likely control the draft process (pick), which happens to be #1. What QB is Meyer taking? LOL

[WVRed]

So the Jags land Meyer, meaning Myer will most likely control the draft process (pick), which happens to be #1. What QB is Meyer taking? LOL

I don’t think that’s a debate, and it’s not Fields.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don’t think that’s a debate, and it’s not Fields.

It's obviously going to be Lawrence. Urban never coached Fields anyway.

[RichRed]

Robert Saleh has been hired to coach the Jets.

[Hillsdale87]

I’d argue that college isn’t nowhere near as stressful as it was in the past.

Most of college football was recruiting and now the head coaches have recruiting coordinators that handle it. They might be involved with big time recruits trying to lock them down but there’s so many coaches/analysts now compared to the 90s.

I don't think that's true. At least in basketball, college coaches who go to the NBA like Stevens and Donovan don't want to go back to college because the NBA is less all-consuming. Hoiberg went back, but only after he couldn't get an NBA job. The NBA and NFL have a real offseason, whereas college never stops. And while NFL is much more competitive on a weekly basis, in college each game has much more importance. If OSU loses a game in the regular season, it's a failure and they may not make the playoffs. In the NFL, 6 losses still gets you to the playoffs.

In college, as soon as the season ends, recruiting picks up. And while yes, there are assistants that help manage a lot of that, the head coach is still doing a ton of work. The college head coach is essentially serving as the GM and Head Coach. The rosters are also double the size in college than NFL, so there is a lot more to manage, as well as the fact that college kids are generally less mature.

Being an NFL coach is extremely difficult. NFL schemes are a lot more complex, coaches are generally better, working with adults is different from working with teenagers, etc. I don't think one job is necessarily more or less stressful than the other, but they are just different stresses.

[Rojo Rijo]

One of the biggest reasons Urban took the Jacksonville job is for Lawrence.

He mentioned how important that #1 overall pick was for his decision so believe me, he knows who he's taking. Oh and he's also called Lawrence "the best QB ever" which he did later clarify the comments to mean the best in CFB at that time.

It's pretty obvious he wants his shot at a Tom/Bill, Pat/Andy, Drew/Sean, Russ/Pete, Ben/Mike type situation with Lawrence.

[Chip R]

Robert Saleh has been hired to coach the Jets.

Poor guy.

[oregonred]

Yeah, but the Jets have a decent defense already and anyone but Gase probably would have gone 6-10 or 7-9 with that roster

Wonder if that impacts possible #2 draft choice (Sewell or Wilson/Fields or trade down a few slots)

Dolphin fans seem to be on board the Smith train at #3 to get a much needed playmaker (not that it means anything).

[Kingspoint]

I don't think that's true. At least in basketball, college coaches who go to the NBA like Stevens and Donovan don't want to go back to college because the NBA is less all-consuming. Hoiberg went back, but only after he couldn't get an NBA job. The NBA and NFL have a real offseason, whereas college never stops. And while NFL is much more competitive on a weekly basis, in college each game has much more importance. If OSU loses a game in the regular season, it's a failure and they may not make the playoffs. In the NFL, 6 losses still gets you to the playoffs.

In college, as soon as the season ends, recruiting picks up. And while yes, there are assistants that help manage a lot of that, the head coach is still doing a ton of work. The college head coach is essentially serving as the GM and Head Coach. The rosters are also double the size in college than NFL, so there is a lot more to manage, as well as the fact that college kids are generally less mature.

Being an NFL coach is extremely difficult. NFL schemes are a lot more complex, coaches are generally better, working with adults is different from working with teenagers, etc. I don't think one job is necessarily more or less stressful than the other, but they are just different stresses.

Completely different job requirements in the NBA than the NFL.

[Kingspoint]

I don't think that's true. At least in basketball, college coaches who go to the NBA like Stevens and Donovan don't want to go back to college because the NBA is less all-consuming. Hoiberg went back, but only after he couldn't get an NBA job. The NBA and NFL have a real offseason, whereas college never stops. And while NFL is much more competitive on a weekly basis, in college each game has much more importance. If OSU loses a game in the regular season, it's a failure and they may not make the playoffs. In the NFL, 6 losses still gets you to the playoffs.

In college, as soon as the season ends, recruiting picks up. And while yes, there are assistants that help manage a lot of that, the head coach is still doing a ton of work. The college head coach is essentially serving as the GM and Head Coach. The rosters are also double the size in college than NFL, so there is a lot more to manage, as well as the fact that college kids are generally less mature.

Being an NFL coach is extremely difficult. NFL schemes are a lot more complex, coaches are generally better, working with adults is different from working with teenagers, etc. I don't think one job is necessarily more or less stressful than the other, but they are just different stresses.

Could not disagree more about your assessment of the job it takes to be Head Coach in the NFL. Working with an Owner has nothing in similarity as working with College Presidents and A.D.'s and Alumni. College Coach in the college ranks is a pretty cushy life. There's nothing cushy about being an NFL Head Coach (except for the Bengals because you don't have to win). You have to be insane to do it in the first place.

[Hillsdale87]

Could not disagree more about your assessment of the job it takes to be Head Coach in the NFL. Working with an Owner has nothing in similarity as working with College Presidents and A.D.'s and Alumni. College Coach in the college ranks is a pretty cushy life. There's nothing cushy about being an NFL Head Coach (except for the Bengals because you don't have to win). You have to be insane to do it in the first place.

I said that NFL coaches have to deal with more complex schemes and better opposing coaches. I said it's a super hard job. I just think people are crazy to think that college coaching jobs aren't insane too.

Where are people getting the idea that college coaches have a cushy life? You think Nick Saban is putting in 40 hours a week? You think Urban Meyer almost killed himself with stress from leaving the office early? None of those guys see much of their family during the season.

Either way, most of these coaches work way too much unnecessarily. I think I read that Ron Rivera is home for dinner almost every night. It can be done, but most coaches are just control freaks and workaholics. Tons of reporters were saying during the lead up to the draft that having to do everything remotely made a lot of front office people realize they really didn't need to do all the things they'd been doing before because they were unnecessary.


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[adkindo]

I’d argue that college isn’t nowhere near as stressful as it was in the past.

Most of college football was recruiting and now the head coaches have recruiting coordinators that handle it. They might be involved with big time recruits trying to lock them down but there’s so many coaches/analysts now compared to the 90s.

in regards to recruiting, the rules have became so strict, college coaches are not even allowed to recruit with near the same level of effort they once put into it. Everything is broken up into windows now, and it use to be 24/7 on every free day. On top of that, the budgets allow for so many admin positions that do all of the labor.

Still, I do not really believe one is easier than the other in regards to the NFL or college. It just often requires two different types of wiring. College coaches have so much red tape they have to deal with in everything they do, and now college coaches are fired and hired nearly as often as NFL coaches.

[Kingspoint]

I said that NFL coaches have to deal with more complex schemes and better opposing coaches. I said it's a super hard job. I just think people are crazy to think that college coaching jobs aren't insane too.

Where are people getting the idea that college coaches have a cushy life? You think Nick Saban is putting in 40 hours a week? You think Urban Meyer almost killed himself with stress from leaving the office early? None of those guys see much of their family during the season.

Either way, most of these coaches work way too much unnecessarily. I think I read that Ron Rivera is home for dinner almost every night. It can be done, but most coaches are just control freaks and workaholics. Tons of reporters were saying during the lead up to the draft that having to do everything remotely made a lot of front office people realize they really didn't need to do all the things they'd been doing before because they were unnecessary.


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You can have a cushy life and work 60-75 hours a week. Heck, I've done that for my whole life and I'm in my 60's now, and my whole life has been pretty cushy. No College Coach is working 40, or even 50 hours a week. They all put in 60+. NFL Head Coaches are putting in 100+ hours a week. Night and Day difference. Few can do it successfully. They burn out quickly. You put in 75 hours as a Head Coach in the NFL and you're going to fail miserably (see Marvin Lewis...one major reason why he and his teams were always unprepared, undisciplined and poor at adjusting to things, which comes from preparedness, preparedness done by his opponent, and another reason why he was so miserable as a playoff Head Coach).

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

Falcons hired Titans OC Arthur Smith as head coach. 39 in May, Smith was a rapid riser in the coaching ranks and just wrapped up his second season as the Titans’ offensive play-caller. He worked absolute wonders with Ryan Tannehill, putting his career back on track after it looked like it was lost in Miami. Derrick Henry also became a monster under Smith and rushed for over 2,000 yards this season. A.J. Brown, Corey Davis, and Jonnu Smith were also budding stars in Tennessee. It’s an exciting hire for Atlanta, and Smith should call his own plays, working with Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, and Calvin Ridley. It will keep the Falcons’ offense in high regard in the fantasy community.

[Boston Red]

I say Packers and Ravens today. I think there's a good chance Rams cover, though.

[Hillsdale87]

This Packers OL is so good. Donald being limited obviously hurts, but the Rams aren't even getting close to Rodgers and there are big holes on every run


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[Boston Red]

The Packers offense just embarrassed the Rams D in the first half.

[Boston Red]

And it continues. Man, Rams defense did not bother showing up at all today.

[Boston Red]

Rams defense finally showed up. May be too little, too late, but at least they've given their offense a chance in the second half.

Uh....nevermind.

[Todd Gack]

Bwahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahaha

[Kingspoint]

Hey Ravens Fans!!!

"Who's your Daddy?!" "Who's your Daddy?!" "Who's your Daddy?!"

Buffalo Bills is!!!

[Kingspoint]

Bills are your Daddy!!!!!

[ScotlandRed]

I can’t believe people put faith in Ravens. Lamar is a bottle merchant. They are not winning anything with him there. Burrow will be the best QB in this division next year.

[Todd Gack]

Hey Ravens Fans!!!

"Who's your Daddy?!" "Who's your Daddy?!" "Who's your Daddy?!"

Buffalo Bills is!!!

I mean, that was just an awful pass into quadruple coverage.

[Kingspoint]

Be real easy to become a Bills' fan.

They dethrone (and it looks like it might be for a decade) the Patriots.

They are dominating Defensively the Ravens.

Like hearing the Leslie Frazier kudos from Collinsworth.

[RedTeamGo!]

I can’t believe people put faith in Ravens. Lamar is a bottle merchant. They are not winning anything with him there. Burrow will be the best QB in this division next year.

Maybe, but Baker was quite good this year and was excellent the 2nd half of the year after Beckham got hurt. Don’t sleep on Mayfield.

[kaldaniels]

Maybe, but Baker was quite good this year and was excellent the 2nd half of the year after Beckham got hurt. Don’t sleep on Mayfield.

Yeah, also, for Burrow to be the best, it will require a passable OL, which is a fairly tall ask I’d say.

[RedTeamGo!]

Yeah, also, for Burrow to be the best, it will require a passable OL, which is a fairy tall ask I’d say.

It’s also assuming Burrow is 100% next year. That injury looked quite bad.

[GAC]

Yeah, also, for Burrow to be the best, it will require a passable OL, which is a fairly tall ask I’d say.

If the Browns can rebuild one of the worst O-lines into one of the best since last season - there's hope for Cincy. LOL

[GAC]

Jackson is a helluva talent, no denying. But again, the weakness in his game proves their downfall. It's not that he can't successfully throw downfield, he doesn't show the consistency that is needed. And it is not his strength.

Today's game is so much different, from college to the NFL. Athletic, dual-threat QBs behind an offense scheme that is geared towards play action, 4 WR sets, throwing under coverage with screeens and crossing patterns, and then counting on one's athletic ability do the rest.

I just think defensive schemes, while behind, are starting to adapt. It's only a natural evolution of the game. Leaner, faster LB'ing corp that can exert pressure, solid pass rush, while also sealing the perimeters. The Bills demonstrated that yesterday. Jackson had 34 yds yesterday on 9 carries. Not good. His strength is his feet. He rushed for over 1,000 yds (9th NFL), but when it came to his passing game - yardage (22nd) and passing efficiency (27th). His running game opens up his passing game.

[WVRed]

Yeah, also, for Burrow to be the best, it will require a passable OL, which is a fairly tall ask I’d say.

If Cleveland showed anything, an offensive line can be revamped in an entire offseason.

Edit: GAC beat me to it.

[Todd Gack]

I just think defensive schemes, while behind, are starting to adapt. It's only a natural evolution of the game. Leaner, faster LB'ing corp that can exert pressure, solid pass rush, while also sealing the perimeters. The Bills demonstrated that yesterday. Jackson had 34 yds yesterday on 9 carries. Not good. His strength is his feet. He rushed for over 1,000 yds (9th NFL), but when it came to his passing game - yardage (22nd) and passing efficiency (27th). His running game opens up his passing game.


SD adapted in Jackson's first playoff game. They put safeties in at LB most of the game. It's really not hard to understand.

I need to find the multiple posts I made in 2019 when I said if he didn't win in his first or second year, he was never going to win. Defenses will adjust accordingly. Just look at Kaepernick's career.

[GAC]

If Cleveland showed anything, an offensive line can be revamped in an entire offseason.

Edit: GAC beat me to it.

But the Brown's GM did it by both the draft (Wills) and the FA market (Conklin) to complement Tretter and Bitonio. If they really do their homework and focus on the O-line (Tackle), then their first two picks should be O-linemen IMO. That is unless you're going to get aggressive in the market. And from there they need to address their defensive line.

Read an article where the writer said "Either the Cincinnati Bengals fix up their lines or repent down the road".

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-most-improved-nfl-offensive-lines-2020-offseason#:~:text=The%20Browns'%20tackles%20graded %20out,old%20right%20tackle%20Jack%20Conklin.

[WVRed]

Be real easy to become a Bills' fan.

They dethrone (and it looks like it might be for a decade) the Patriots.

They are dominating Defensively the Ravens.

Like hearing the Leslie Frazier kudos from Collinsworth.

Just don’t set yourself on fire jumping onto a folding table.

Seriously, look this up, Bills Mafia is crazy. Passionate as hell (still remember Andy Dalton and them sending wings to the Bengals) but still crazy.

[kaldaniels]

If Cleveland showed anything, an offensive line can be revamped in an entire offseason.

Edit: GAC beat me to it.

No one disputes it’s possible. But Cleveland also threw money and picks at their line for years (and the line had one of the best LT ever) and it rarely paid off. It’s not easy.

[WVRed]

No one disputes it’s possible. But Cleveland also threw money and picks at their line for years (and the line had one of the best LT ever) and it rarely paid off. It’s not easy.

The Bengals did it six years ago (Ced and Fisher) and IMO that’s part of the reason they are where they are right now.

That’s one reason I’m apprehensive of investing the first two picks there. That said Sewell is the best of anyone the Bengals would have drafted.

[Hillsdale87]

SD adapted in Jackson's first playoff game. They put safeties in at LB most of the game. It's really not hard to understand.

I need to find the multiple posts I made in 2019 when I said if he didn't win in his first or second year, he was never going to win. Defenses will adjust accordingly. Just look at Kaepernick's career.

I was originally a Lamar skeptic, finally bought in at the end of last year, and am now somewhere in between. There are definitely shortcomings that good teams can exploit. But he is also playing in an offense without much receiving talent and with very simple routes. Steve Smith last night was very critical of Greg Roman because he said the passing concepts are way too easy to defend. Outside of Hollywood Brown, who has drops issues, they don't have a receiving threat.

Lamar is only 24. He's younger than Burrow. So it's not unreasonable to think he can still get better. I don't know whether some of his passing flaws can be fixed, but I think we need to see him with real receivers, and possibly an updated offense, before knowing for sure.


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[Todd Gack]

I was originally a Lamar skeptic, finally bought in at the end of last year, and am now somewhere in between. There are definitely shortcomings that good teams can exploit. But he is also playing in an offense without much receiving talent and with very simple routes. Steve Smith last night was very critical of Greg Roman because he said the passing concepts are way too easy to defend. Outside of Hollywood Brown, who has drops issues, they don't have a receiving threat.

Lamar is only 24. He's younger than Burrow. So it's not unreasonable to think he can still get better. I don't know whether some of his passing flaws can be fixed, but I think we need to see him with real receivers, and possibly an updated offense, before knowing for sure.


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Why do you think that is?

[RedTeamGo!]

Blatant helmet to helmet on the goaline.

[GAC]

Browns just got screwed by the refs on that fumble through the end zone.

How about the fact he led with his helmet and it was a helmet-to-helmet hit?? How can you miss that? B********!

Should have been first down a goal for the Browns

[BuckeyeRed27]

Absolutely ridiculous. Had a ball game and the dumbest rule in sports and a blatant missed call by the refs just ruined it. Thanks a lot NFL.

[kaldaniels]

Browns just got screwed by the refs on that fumble through the end zone.

How about the fact he led with his helmet and it was a helmet-to-helmet hit?? How can you miss that? B********!

Should have been first down a goal for the Browns

Yeah. Everyone knows the “fumble out of the end zone” rule. I can’t get distraught over that.

But the KC guy morphed himself into a helmet first missile and the refs just let it go. Outrageous.

[Todd Gack]

Yeah. Everyone knows the “fumble out of the end zone” rule. I can’t get distraught over that.

But the KC guy morphed himself into a helmet first missile and the refs just let it go. Outrageous.

Helmet to helmet was definitley missed.

But I'm fine with the "fumble through the end zone" rule.

[757690]

Absolutely ridiculous. Had a ball game and the dumbest rule in sports and a blatant missed call by the refs just ruined it. Thanks a lot NFL.

The biggest problem is that it was not reviewable. Why is targeting not reviewable?

[Hillsdale87]

Why do you think that is?

It could be because of Lamar, or it could be Greg Roman specializing in run concepts but being poor in the passing game. I don't know which it is.

I don't think Lamar is ever going to be an elite pocket passer, but he doesn't need to be. OCs can do creative things with limited passers to still make them effective, like Stefanski with Baker this year.


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[GAC]

Helmet to helmet was definitley missed.

But I'm fine with the "fumble through the end zone" rule.

It's a stupid f****** rule. The offense doesn't lose possession of the ball because it was fumbled out of bounds. So you turn around and give it to the opposition at their own 20? Way too punitive IMO.

[GAC]

Browns TD! That missed call better not come back and bite us in the ass LOL

[Todd Gack]

It could be because of Lamar, or it could be Greg Roman specializing in run concepts but being poor in the passing game. I don't know which it is.

I don't think Lamar is ever going to be an elite pocket passer, but he doesn't need to be. OCs can do creative things with limited passers to still make them effective, like Stefanski with Baker this year.


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It's pretty well known Lamar isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

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It's a stupid f****** rule. The offense doesn't lose possession of the ball because it was fumbled out of bounds. So you turn around and give it to the opposition at their own 20? Way too punitive IMO.

Every rule in football benefits the offense.

But I'll offer an olive branch:

Get rid of the "Automatic first down" for defensive holding and I'll consider changing it.

[RiverRat13]

Andy Reid running the option with the best QB in the league already limping around has to go down as one of the dumbest playcalls of all time. May have just cost his team a Super Bowl.

[GAC]

Hunt rushing TD 22-17. Mahomes out under concussion protocol.