The 2020 NFL Season

[Kingspoint]

Time to get this thread started.

[Kingspoint]

It's not often you see contract done smartly in favor of a player in the NFL, but whoever is this guy's agent, I would switch to him if I were a player.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Courtney Cronin reports Vikings DE Everson Griffen will void the remainder of his contract.

Per Cronin, "Griffen met two figures that voided the final three years of his contract (2020-22) by tallying six or more sacks and playing 57% or more of the snaps last season, and he exercised the right to opt out of his deal." The Vikings' stud DE racked up 66 pressures in 2019 and formed one of the league's most-fearsome duos among edge rushers alongside Danielle Hunter. Minnesota has done a great job maintaining continuity on the defensive side of the ball in recent years, but it might cost them a pretty penny to do so this time around.

SOURCE: Courtney Cronin on Twitter

[WrongVerb]

It's not often you see contract done smartly in favor of a player in the NFL, but whoever is this guy's agent, I would switch to him if I were a player.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Courtney Cronin reports Vikings DE Everson Griffen will void the remainder of his contract.

Per Cronin, "Griffen met two figures that voided the final three years of his contract (2020-22) by tallying six or more sacks and playing 57% or more of the snaps last season, and he exercised the right to opt out of his deal." The Vikings' stud DE racked up 66 pressures in 2019 and formed one of the league's most-fearsome duos among edge rushers alongside Danielle Hunter. Minnesota has done a great job maintaining continuity on the defensive side of the ball in recent years, but it might cost them a pretty penny to do so this time around.

SOURCE: Courtney Cronin on Twitter

I've adopted my wife's Seahawks as my own, since the Bengals have basically alienated me with their idiocy. If Seattle doesn't sign Clowney (or even if they do) I hope they're all in on this guy.

[Kingspoint]

I've adopted my wife's Seahawks as my own, since the Bengals have basically alienated me with their idiocy. If Seattle doesn't sign Clowney (or even if they do) I hope they're all in on this guy.

For me, it's the Vikings.

[adkindo]

I've adopted my wife's Seahawks as my own, since the Bengals have basically alienated me with their idiocy. If Seattle doesn't sign Clowney (or even if they do) I hope they're all in on this guy.

I switched teams in one sport one time in my life. I grew up a Bengals fan, and when I moved to Florida in the mid 90's, the Bucs were still losing, but the foundation was being built for the Superbowl team. Also, most of the Bengals players I grew up watching were gone (was not interested in the David Klingler era), so I made the switch....not sure I could do it again. Ironic thing was a guy named Jeff Blake took over at QB a year later, and was a local high school legend, so a lot of my new friends were kind of following the Bengals.

[WrongVerb]

I switched teams in one sport one time in my life. I grew up a Bengals fan, and when I moved to Florida in the mid 90's, the Bucs were still losing, but the foundation was being built for the Superbowl team. Also, most of the Bengals players I grew up watching were gone (was not interested in the David Klingler era), so I made the switch....not sure I could do it again. Ironic thing was a guy named Jeff Blake took over at QB a year later, and was a local high school legend, so a lot of my new friends were kind of following the Bengals.

I famously tried to switch off the Reds a few years ago. That didn't take, obviously. But my interest in the Bengals has really flipped in my mind from fanatical to perverse.

[Kingspoint]

I switched teams in one sport one time in my life. I grew up a Bengals fan, and when I moved to Florida in the mid 90's, the Bucs were still losing, but the foundation was being built for the Superbowl team. Also, most of the Bengals players I grew up watching were gone (was not interested in the David Klingler era), so I made the switch....not sure I could do it again. Ironic thing was a guy named Jeff Blake took over at QB a year later, and was a local high school legend, so a lot of my new friends were kind of following the Bengals.

I never see Wyche get any credit for the foundation he started there. Always thought he was responsible for their turnaround. It takes someone special to change a franchise's losing attitude.

[Chip R]

Former Browns left tackle Greg Robinson was busted in Texas for transporting 157 lbs of pot.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28737517/ex-browns-left-tackle-greg-robinson-arrested-faces-drug-charge

Also, the NFL owners have accepted terms of a new CBA. Now it's up to the players. Highlights include a 17th game with a reduction in pre-season games to 3.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28744880/nfl-owners-vote-accept-negotiated-terms-proposed-new-cba

[Sea Ray]

Is this CBA something they've written up after joint meetings with the players or it this something that will likely serve as a starting point for negotiations?

[adkindo]

I never see Wyche get any credit for the foundation he started there. Always thought he was responsible for their turnaround. It takes someone special to change a franchise's losing attitude.

forgot to mention....him being the coach was another reason I switched. He clearly deserves more credit than he receives for getting the foundation of the defense in place. Nickerson, Brooks, Lynch and Sapp were all there under Sam. The truth is for whatever reason, history has tried to give Tony Dungy all of the credit for the Bucs during that era....and I can tell you many fans that was there week in and week out give Dungy the least. Most fans that I know feel Wyche would have had as much success as Dungy, and few believe the Bucs ever win the SuperBowl if Dungy is not fired.

[adkindo]

rumor is the old logo is returning this year...

https://d2p3bygnnzw9w3.cloudfront.net/req/202002101/tlogo/pfr/tam-1996.png

[Kingspoint]

Former Browns left tackle Greg Robinson was busted in Texas for transporting 157 lbs of pot.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28737517/ex-browns-left-tackle-greg-robinson-arrested-faces-drug-charge

Also, the NFL owners have accepted terms of a new CBA. Now it's up to the players. Highlights include a 17th game with a reduction in pre-season games to 3.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28744880/nfl-owners-vote-accept-negotiated-terms-proposed-new-cba

I like how the Owners say, "Hey, we'll lessen the penalty for smoking pot if you let us expose you to further brain damage on the season".

[Kingspoint]

rumor is the old logo is returning this year...

https://d2p3bygnnzw9w3.cloudfront.net/req/202002101/tlogo/pfr/tam-1996.png

It's one of the best. Love the old Patriots one. My favorite old one is the Jets.

[Sea Ray]

From what I've read the NFL CBA proposal is pretty much agreed upon except for the 17th game...and that's a big sticking point. If you take that out then I'm sure the owners will pull back on the other dollars they're offering. Do the players want to swallow that 17th game or are they willing to take less money? It does not sound like either side is considering a work stoppage. If the players don't accept the 17th game then this will be tabled and they'll go back to the table next yr. Owners are threatening to offer less if they're forced to do that

[Todd Gack]

From what I've read the NFL CBA proposal is pretty much agreed upon except for the 17th game...and that's a big sticking point. If you take that out then I'm sure the owners will pull back on the other dollars they're offering. Do the players want to swallow that 17th game or are they willing to take less money? It does not sound like either side is considering a work stoppage. If the players don't accept the 17th game then this will be tabled and they'll go back to the table next yr. Owners are threatening to offer less if they're forced to do that

Will there then be 2 bye weeks then if adding a 17th game? Add an extra game and bye week and only have 2 pre-season games?

[Sea Ray]

Will there then be 2 bye weeks then if adding a 17th game? Add an extra game and bye week and only have 2 pre-season games?

It's my understanding that they did not include another bye week in their proposal. They're talking 3 preseason games. Increase roster size to 55; gametime roster also increases by 2. Over half the players are on minimum contracts. They're increasing those quite a bit. $100K right away and more increases in the next few yrs. Increase playoff teams by one per conference so that only the #1 seed gets a bye. You can also recall 3 guys from IR.

I can't say that the 17th game excites me. The schedule now has great symmetry.

[Redhook]

Will there then be 2 bye weeks then if adding a 17th game? Add an extra game and bye week and only have 2 pre-season games?

It would still be 20 “overall” games. They’d just substitute a pre-season game for a regular one.

When this was first mentioned last year, I do recall an extra bye week being part of it. Recently, I haven’t read anything about that. I could be wrong, but I’m guessing the players would love an extra bye week. The only downside is their season would end 2 weeks later (extra game + bye while still starting after Labor Day). But, they could start a week later so net gain of one week. Somewhat selfishly, it’d be a win for fans too extending the season another week. And, it’d push the Super Bowl to mid-February when the sports world is as boring as watching paint dry.

[Sea Ray]

I like the NFL starting a week after colleges. It's nice to give the colleges that week to themselves. I hope they don't open earlier; add onto to Feb as Redhook stated, it's a boring month for sports

[KoryMac5]

Bears cleared 17 million off their cap yesterday could they have a deal for a QB already in place...

[Redhook]

I like the NFL starting a week after colleges. It's nice to give the colleges that week to themselves. I hope they don't open earlier; add onto to Feb as Redhook stated, it's a boring month for sports

Yeah, I think the starting week is set. They can’t mess with Labor Day weekend. Personally, I wish the season would start later because the weather is still awesome in September, but I know that’s not happening.

[Redhook]

Bears cleared 17 million off their cap yesterday could they have a deal for a QB already in place...

Bridgewater, Carr, Dalton or someone else?

[adkindo]

Bridgewater, Carr, Dalton or someone else?

I have saw rumors of Mariota.

[adkindo]

Count me as someone that is not in favor of a 17th game, and I also think a game should be shaved off preseason.

[Rojo Rijo]

Count me as someone that is not in favor of a 17th game, and I also think a game should be shaved off preseason.

I'd definitely shave a game off of preseason. Teams are rapidly using joint practices to get their starters the reps they need and then keeping them on the sidelines in preseason games.

[Sea Ray]

No way the owners shave a game off preseason. They're getting full price on those games from their season ticket holders. That's free money

[texasdave]

He's baaaaaack! https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/vontaze-burfict-was-quietly-reinstated-by-nfl-last-month-after-latest-suspension/ar-BB10kTio?ocid=spartanntp

[Bob Sheed]

He's baaaaaack! https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/vontaze-burfict-was-quietly-reinstated-by-nfl-last-month-after-latest-suspension/ar-BB10kTio?ocid=spartanntp

Never seen shade thrown toward a dirty player like shade gets thrown at Burfict.

I could rattle off a laundry list of dirty players that are/were celebrated as opposed to vilified, just on the Steelers alone, nevermind the rest of the league.

But whatever. Hopefully he means what he says and will work his aggressiveness within the confines of present-day NFL rules. I don't think he'll be able to, personally. What is and isn't dirty is far too wishy-washy these days and Burfict will get zero benefit of the doubt. So he'll either dial it back so far that he is ineffective, or he'll lay out a borderline hit one time and be done for the season again.

He should just retire. Or go play for another league and dominate for a few years.

[Slyder]

Add 2 teams, change up the divisions, everyone plays 1 on Thursday night, locked in bye the Sunday before, 1 "floating bye" not to be done within a month of the Thursday Night game. Owners get the extra tv revenue from 17th week, players get an extra "bye" and rest/no 'short weeks'.

[Kingspoint]

Just listened to a full rundown on the upcoming draft of a question and answer discussion by Benjamin Allbright of KOA Radio, Colorado. This guy is good. Always love it when I can find a great, not just good, source for information. His NFL analysis is spot-on. Looking forward to hearing his views and information about the NFL and other sports in the future.

[Kingspoint]

Eliminate all Thrusday games. That's the only way the players union should agree to this, in addition to having two bye weeks.

[Sea Ray]

Word is that the players are going to kick this around for a couple weeks and then...they're going to approve it. A 17th game is coming. The NFLPA is so weak

[Bob Sheed]

Word is that the players are going to kick this around for a couple weeks and then...they're going to approve it. A 17th game is coming. The NFLPA is so weak

A 17 game season just seems strange. Why not 18?

It would be like if the MLB season was 151 games long.

One sidenote here... with each additional game, depth becomes more important.

[Rojo Rijo]

Eliminate all Thrusday games. That's the only way the players union should agree to this, in addition to having two bye weeks.

I agree but I would keep the opening Thursday night game for the previous years champion.

[Rojo Rijo]

I think the players are getting some solid gains in the new deal

[Chip R]

I agree but I would keep the opening Thursday night game for the previous years champion.

And Thanksgiving.

[Kingspoint]

A 17 game season just seems strange. Why not 18?

It would be like if the MLB season was 151 games long.

One sidenote here... with each additional game, depth becomes more important.

18 is next.

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I agree but I would keep the opening Thursday night game for the previous years champion.

That wouldn't contradict the reason for eliminating Thursday games, so, yes. That's a winner.

[Kingspoint]

And Thanksgiving.

As long as every team that played has a bye the week before.

[Kingspoint]

Just listened to a full rundown on the upcoming draft of a question and answer discussion by Benjamin Allbright of KOA Radio, Colorado. This guy is good. Always love it when I can find a great, not just good, source for information. His NFL analysis is spot-on. Looking forward to hearing his views and information about the NFL and other sports in the future.

In the interview a couple of days ago, he was asked, "Where is the best place for Phillip Rivers to go?" He responded just matter-of-factly, "The Colts and the Bucs would be his best match because of his familiarity wioth the coaching at Indy and things would be well set up for him in Tampa". So, today a story comes out speculating Rivers to the Colts from some website. I know the writer didn't hear the interview as it was local for the Portland area only. Colts make the playoffs last season if they had Rivers. Does seem like a great move for Rivers and Indy.

[Chip R]

As long as every team that played has a bye the week before.

It would be nice but they usually don't do byes that late in the season, do they?

[Sea Ray]

As long as every team that played has a bye the week before.

We've always had NFL Thanksgiving games but only recently had byes. Why do they need byes now before this game?

[Sea Ray]

In the interview a couple of days ago, he was asked, "Where is the best place for Phillip Rivers to go?" He responded just matter-of-factly, "The Colts and the Bucs would be his best match because of his familiarity wioth the coaching at Indy and things would be well set up for him in Tampa". So, today a story comes out speculating Rivers to the Colts from some website. I know the writer didn't hear the interview as it was local for the Portland area only. Colts make the playoffs last season if they had Rivers. Does seem like a great move for Rivers and Indy.

The question is "how much does Rivers have left in the tank?" In less than a year the Colts have gone from planning on Andrew Luck to hoping for Philip Rivers. Goes to show how a QB impacts a football program

[Slyder]

We've always had NFL Thanksgiving games but only recently had byes. Why do they need byes now before this game?

Because we have learned so much about concussions, wear/tear on bodies with the short weeks, and the damage caused by consistent collisions in sports such as football. Plus the guys who play are so much bigger/faster than they use to they have a lot more impact.

[bucksfan2]

Word is that the players are going to kick this around for a couple weeks and then...they're going to approve it. A 17th game is coming. The NFLPA is so weak

I don't know that the players are so weak, the owners know what they want. The players fight is for a bigger share of the profits, and that is all they really want. The owners know that, they know what they can get away with and what they can't. They know that any lockout or strike will hurt the players far more than the owners.

There has long been talk about how everyone hates Thursday night games. Players talk about it, fans talk about it, analysts talk about it. But the TV contract is so large that the players aren't going to give up that chunk of the pie.

[Sea Ray]

I don't know that the players are so weak, the owners know what they want. The players fight is for a bigger share of the profits, and that is all they really want. The owners know that, they know what they can get away with and what they can't. They know that any lockout or strike will hurt the players far more than the owners.

There has long been talk about how everyone hates Thursday night games. Players talk about it, fans talk about it, analysts talk about it. But the TV contract is so large that the players aren't going to give up that chunk of the pie.

I think the 17 game schedule is a bigger issue than the chunk of the pie to the players. Since I wrote that, several big name players have come out against it. Looks like it will be a close vote. Should be interesting

[Chip R]

I don't know that the players are so weak, the owners know what they want. The players fight is for a bigger share of the profits, and that is all they really want. The owners know that, they know what they can get away with and what they can't. They know that any lockout or strike will hurt the players far more than the owners.

There has long been talk about how everyone hates Thursday night games. Players talk about it, fans talk about it, analysts talk about it. But the TV contract is so large that the players aren't going to give up that chunk of the pie.

All true. It seems like the younger players are all for it because they haven't played long enough to reap the benefits of being an NFL player. Guys like Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to worry because he's set for life. Players with less than 4 years in the league for the most part depend on their NFL salary. If you haven't played 3 years, you don't qualify for the pension. If you're a young player who isn't making QB or 1st round money you're all for another week's pay. If you've had 10-15 years in the league it's not that important. I would guess when these players talk about the CBA the younger players could be persuaded by the older guys to reject the agreement because it's probably not done by a secret ballot.

[bucksfan2]

I think the 17 game schedule is a bigger issue than the chunk of the pie to the players. Since I wrote that, several big name players have come out against it. Looks like it will be a close vote. Should be interesting

There will be a 17th game. Honestly I think it makes sense to scrap a game in the pre-season and add one in the regular season. It also brings in more revenue for both the players and the owners. The players may not like it, but they aren't really going to turn down the money it brings.

The ironic thing for this contract is the people with the most power, will be long gone from the league by the time this contract ends. Heck, even your rookies will be lucky to be playing when there is another contract negotiation. I have problem with the players trying to maximize their pay, I do think they are awfully short sighted when the negotiate and fail took past their playing careers. Stuff like bigger pensions and better health care for retired players is a far better investment than getting a bigger game check when you are 25.

One things that strikes me with this whole negotiation is whether or not this will be the last big contract ever negotiated in football. Both with the CBA and networks, will the game look like in 10 years when the next contract comes up for negotiation?

[Kingspoint]

It would be nice but they usually don't do byes that late in the season, do they?

Byes are still in effect then.

[North]

Nice gig, eh? ;)

Tony Romo to earn approximately $17 million per year in new deal with CBS, per reports

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/02/28/tony-romo-cbs-contract-nfl-analyst-espn-cowboys/4909621002/

[Kingspoint]

Nice gig, eh? ;)

Tony Romo to earn approximately $17 million per year in new deal with CBS, per reports

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/02/28/tony-romo-cbs-contract-nfl-analyst-espn-cowboys/4909621002/

Awesome!

[Chip R]

Nice gig, eh? ;)

Tony Romo to earn approximately $17 million per year in new deal with CBS, per reports

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/02/28/tony-romo-cbs-contract-nfl-analyst-espn-cowboys/4909621002/

I think he's a better fit on CBS than he would be on ESPN. I think I heard that this will be more than he ever made per year when he was playing.

[Spanky]

I think he's a better fit on CBS than he would be on ESPN. I think I heard that this will be more than he ever made per year when he was playing.

He averaged 9 mil per year throughout his playing career.

[WrongVerb]

Curran: Tom Brady to Patriots or Titans, “with the 49ers closing hard on the outside” (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/03/curran-tom-brady-to-patriots-or-titans-with-the-49ers-closing-hard-on-the-outside/)


Radio, Curran was asked to predict Brady’s destination for 2020.

“It’s either gonna be New England or Tennessee,” Curran said, “with the 49ers closing hard on the outside.”

Yes, the 49ers chatter is real, Curran said. And it’s a mutual thing, with Brady interested in the 49ers, and the 49ers interested in Brady. And then the 49ers could simply trade Jimmy Garoppolo back to the Patriots.

“That would be the best-case scenario all the way around,” Curran said.

[Spanky]

Curran: Tom Brady to Patriots or Titans, “with the 49ers closing hard on the outside” (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/03/curran-tom-brady-to-patriots-or-titans-with-the-49ers-closing-hard-on-the-outside/)

Brady signing with the 49ers, then Jimmy G being traded back to the Patriots would be pretty funny.

[Chip R]

ESPN is trying to get Al Michaels from NBC to do Monday Night Football and bring Peyton Manning in to do color with him.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/05/espn-plotting-dream-monday-night-football-booth-al-michaels-and-peyton-manning/

[GAC]

ESPN is trying to get Al Michaels from NBC to do Monday Night Football and bring Peyton Manning in to do color with him.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/05/espn-plotting-dream-monday-night-football-booth-al-michaels-and-peyton-manning/

Gives me one more reason not to watch MNF then! LOL

[Chip R]

With what Romo got from CBS and what ESPN is willing to give Peyton and/or Al Michaels, the cost of announcers is going up. I have no idea what these guys make normally but someone like Collinsworth and Aikman see that Romo and Manning are going to get paid, they are probably going to want a significant raise too.

[Sea Ray]

Up to this point word is Peyton does not want a commentary job 'cause he doesn't like criticizing "his friends" in the game. As for Michaels, I doubt he wants to leave his buddy Cris Collinsworth at this point in his career. Sounds like a longshot to me

[Kingspoint]

Rivers being pursued by ESPN? He has like no personality. Seriously?

[Chip R]

Michaels is not going to ESPN.

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/nbc-not-trading-al-michaels-espn-monday-night-football.html

[North]

Michaels is not going to ESPN.

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/nbc-not-trading-al-michaels-espn-monday-night-football.html

His book

"You Can't Make This Up: Miracles, Memories, and the Perfect Marriage of Sports and Television "

is a good read.

[WrongVerb]

Some rules change suggestions...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESxN0KsXQAIuXPf?format=jpg&name=small

I doubt this is an exhaustive list, and most of these will be voted down anyway.

[WrongVerb]

Sources: Eagles, Saints pull coaches off road for draft scouting amid coronavirus pandemic (https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-eagles-saints-pull-coaches-off-road-for-draft-scouting-amid-coronavirus-worries-163011300.html)


The Philadelphia Eagles and New Orleans Saints have pulled their coaches off the road for the pro-day circuit, at least temporarily, as a precautionary measure as the country grapples with the spread of the coronavirus, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports.

“It’s true,” one coach texted Yahoo Sports, saying that the situation is “sorta fluid” and that they expect to “get more information as time goes on.”

Pro days are well underway across the country as college prospects go through the NFL draft process. Among the bigger schools in action on Wednesday include Oklahoma and Wisconsin, programs with multiple Day 1 and 2 NFL draft prospects. Coaches often start getting involved in the scouting process following the season and typically are sent to dozens of pro days as extra sets of eyes on talent.

Scouts for those two teams still expect to attend pro-day workouts as planned. Many NFL scouts do not work on a daily basis at teams’ facilities and are based regionally, thus minimizing the risk of potentially spreading the virus at those workplaces.

[Boston Red]

I need to have something to watch (read: bet on!). Any chance the XFL bucks the trend and keeps playing?

[Chip R]

I need to have something to watch (read: bet on!). Any chance the XFL bucks the trend and keeps playing?

If they do it will be to empty(ier) stadiums.

[JaxRed]

If they do it will be to empty(ier) stadiums.

So business as usual?

[WrongVerb]

Sources: NFL pulling draft out of Vegas, postponing event until at least late May (https://www.shawmediaillinois.com/2020/03/15/sources-nfl-pulling-draft-out-of-vegas-postponing-event-until-at-least-late-may/aohjd36/)


As for the Draft, according to my sources, Las Vegas is already canceled — it just hasn’t been announced yet — and the league will announce the Draft is being postponed until late May at least — as soon as the NFLPA’s decision on the new CBA is announced.

[WVRed]

Tennessee just pulled out from pursuing Tom Brady.

[Bob Sheed]

Tennessee just pulled out from pursuing Tom Brady.

Seems like Brady wants to be the first QB/GM in NFL history.

[WVRed]

Seems like Brady wants to be the first QB/GM in NFL history.

It’s essentially down to TB or NE supposedly.

[KoryMac5]

It’s essentially down to TB or NE supposedly.

Rumor has it the Raiders are prepared to offer 2 yrs and 60 million...they would have to find a taker for Carr though which would be tough.

A Tampa beat writer was on local radio where I live and stated Tampa is moving on from Jameis...Arians has had enough and Brady is a safer choice.

[WVRed]

Rumor has it the Raiders are prepared to offer 2 yrs and 60 million...they would have to find a taker for Carr though which would be tough.

A Tampa beat writer was on local radio where I live and stated Tampa is moving on from Jameis...Arians has had enough and Brady is a safer choice.

Tampa would have to invest in an offensive line to keep Brady from getting killed. Not to mention would Arians let Brady have the say he wants in playcalling?

[Bob Sheed]

Tampa would have to invest in an offensive line to keep Brady from getting killed. Not to mention would Arians let Brady have the say he wants in playcalling?

Not just playcalling. Personnel.

[North]

NFL players approve new CBA, runs through 2030


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28906786/nfl-players-approve-new-cba-2030

[KoryMac5]

Tampa would have to invest in an offensive line to keep Brady from getting killed. Not to mention would Arians let Brady have the say he wants in playcalling?

He mentioned that the O Line would be an issue...however they could fix that through the draft and FA...

We also have to remember all the big names Arians has worked with in the past like Peyton and Ben...I doubt he would have issues with input from Brady on play calling.

[WrongVerb]

NFL draft to proceed April 23-25 sans public events in Las Vegas (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106351/article/nfl-draft-to-proceed-april-2325-sans-public-events-in-las-vegas)


In consideration of current information related to COVID-19 and guidance from medical experts such as the CDC, and in coordination with public authorities in Nevada and the City of Las Vegas, the NFL will modify its plans for the 2020 NFL Draft, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell announced today.

The clubs' selection of players will proceed as scheduled April 23-25. The NFL is exploring innovative options for how the process will be conducted and will provide that information as it becomes available. The selection process will be televised.

Public NFL Draft events in Las Vegas next month will not take place.

[ScotlandRed]

DeAndre Hopkins being traded to AZ for David Johnson. First I’ve heard of even the rumour?

[Redhook]

DeAndre Hopkins being traded to AZ for David Johnson. First I’ve heard of even the rumour?

At first glance, I wonder what in the world is Texas doing? Hopkins is fantastic and Johnson is an aging RB who hasn’t been the same after being injured.

[KoryMac5]

Bill O Brien has lost his mind if I am Watson I may look to get out of dodge...

[RichRed]

Absolutely bonkers trade by the Texans. Their fans must be flipping out.

[WVRed]

Stefon Diggs to the Bills.

[adkindo]

Rumor has it the Raiders are prepared to offer 2 yrs and 60 million...they would have to find a taker for Carr though which would be tough.

A Tampa beat writer was on local radio where I live and stated Tampa is moving on from Jameis...Arians has had enough and Brady is a safer choice.

Raiders went with Mariota. As a Bucs fan, I hope Brady chooses New England.

- - - Updated - - -

Amari Cooper back to Dallas...5 Year / $100 Million.

[adkindo]

Tampa Bay tags Shaq Barrett, resigns JPP, and I am hoping they can get Suh done next.

[North]

Tampa Bay tags Shaq Barrett, resigns JPP, and I am hoping they can get Suh done next.

Pretty active free agent market so far.

[texasdave]

At first glance, I wonder what in the world is Texas doing? Hopkins is fantastic and Johnson is an aging RB who hasn’t been the same after being injured.

At second, third, all the way to infinity glances as well. A remarkably stupid trade.

[Chip R]

Tom Brady will not return to the Patriots.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28915341/tom-brady-says-goodbye-patriots-social-media

[Rojo Rijo]

Tom Brady will not return to the Patriots.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28915341/tom-brady-says-goodbye-patriots-social-media

Bucs

[Rojo Rijo]

Phillip Rivers signs with the Colts. 1 year around 25 million

[Sea Ray]

Looks like Dalton to NE is our (Bengal fan's) best bet now

[Kingspoint]

Can't see Bill O'Brien making it one more week.

[Ohayou]

Brady to the Bucs.

[Bob Sheed]

Brady to the Bucs.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106744/article/tom-brady-agrees-in-principle-to-join-buccaneers

[Roy Tucker]

Brady to the Bucs.

15859

[WVRed]

So who gets custody of the refs in the Belichick-Brady divorce?

[RichRed]

15859

15860

[adkindo]

Brady will have more weapons around him than he has had in a long time. Not sure why Todd Gurley's name is being connected to the Bucs unless the Rams are throwing something very good in the deal.

[KoryMac5]

Former Texans players are warning potential free agents about signing there...

[WrongVerb]

Former Texans players are warning potential free agents about signing there...

Texans head coach Bill O'Brien reportedly compared DeAndre Hopkins to Aaron Hernandez and complained about his 'baby mamas' in incendiary meeting before baffling blockbuster trade (https://www.insider.com/bill-obrien-compared-deandre-hopkins-to-aaron-hernandez-before-trade-2020-3)


In an appearance on ESPN's "Get Up" Wednesday morning, former Dallas Cowboy and current commentator Michael Irvin claimed that Houston GM and head coach Bill O'Brien had soured his relationship with Hopkins to the point of no return, prompting what is already being tabbed the most baffling trade of the NFL offseason thus far.

According to Irvin, Hopkins told him that he and O'Brien had a meeting over the four-time Pro Bowler's excessive "influence over the locker room" and his teammates. Then, the six-year Texans head coach compared the four-time Pro Bowler to late New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, who famously fell from grace and was tried in two separate murder cases before taking his own life in prison.

Unsurprisingly, Hopkins took offense to these comments, especially considering he's "never been in any trouble." From there, Irvin reported, the meeting continued to devolve. O'Brien reportedly told Hopkins that he doesn't like seeing "his baby mamas around."

[Kingspoint]

Chargers have put together a top-10 Defense.

[KoryMac5]

Chargers have put together a top-10 Defense.

They can't be serious about starting Tyrod though...

Get Cam!!!

Pair him with Eckler and Allen and look out.

[Betterread]

Vikes are about to sign Ravens NT Michael Pierce to replace Linval Joseph. I didn’t see a true NT in the draft so I like the signing (3yrs 28 M).
I like the 2016-2018 version. He was a great run stopper. Will the Vikes go to a 3-4 with Hunter and Barr on the outside?

[Betterread]

Chargers have put together a top-10 Defense.

I will believe it when I see it on the field. They were awful last year.

[adkindo]

I know it will never happen, but if I was Winston, I would consider resigning with Tampa Bay and backing up Brady for a couple seasons. Learn from the GOAT, then take back over when he retires. His other options are going to be the "dead QB taking snaps" until a rookie is ready or backing up on another team. I think his reputation would remain stronger backing up Brady, and at Brady's age, he is as likely to get injured as anyone.

Also with the rumors of AB coming with Brady to Tampa Bay, and if he can actually get cleared to play....how does any defense stop those receiving weapons? Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, OJ Howard....wow, you better have a two great CB's, great Nickelback and a Safety that can cover!

[Kingspoint]

They can't be serious about starting Tyrod though...

Get Cam!!!

Pair him with Eckler and Allen and look out.

They are a strange franchise. They can make some excellent draft picks, some excellent free agent signings and then ignore critical elements to a successful season/future that dooms them in the long run. Rivers' talent got wasted there.

[Kingspoint]

Vikes are about to sign Ravens NT Michael Pierce to replace Linval Joseph. I didn’t see a true NT in the draft so I like the signing (3yrs 28 M).
I like the 2016-2018 version. He was a great run stopper. Will the Vikes go to a 3-4 with Hunter and Barr on the outside?

Their cap situation has them getting creative. Cousins' overpayment and their huge free agent spending on an Offensive Line that failed miserably for what it cost has them buried this season and is costing them talent. They still have to move their Safety and figure out how to extend Cook.

[Bob Sheed]

They are a strange franchise. They can make some excellent draft picks, some excellent free agent signings and then ignore critical elements to a successful season/future that dooms them in the long run. Rivers' talent got wasted there.

Yep. In retrospect, Eli Manning was wise to avoid them.

[WVRed]

Rams released Todd Gurley.

Tampa anyone?

[WrongVerb]

Rams released Todd Gurley.

Tampa anyone?

Tampa makes all the sense in the world there.

[adkindo]

Rams released Todd Gurley.

Tampa anyone?

maybe on the cheap.....Ronald Jones was finally figuring things out late last season. Much rather they get Suh signed, and if there is any chance on signing Perriman which I doubt.

[Kingspoint]

maybe on the cheap.....Ronald Jones was finally figuring things out late last season. Much rather they get Suh signed, and if there is any chance on signing Perriman which I doubt.

Players who can get open underneath where Brady can pinpoint a quick pass in stride is his specialty. He knows who they are and I'm certain he has already spoken to Ownership/Management about his interest. Wouldn't it be prudent to get this Hall-of-Famer and 5-time Super Bowl Champion's opinion about who he believes could specifically benefit from working with him?

[WrongVerb]

Tampa makes all the sense in the world there.

Ehhhh..what do I know?



Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

Todd Gurley has already landed home: The former #Rams star is signing a 1-year deal with the #Falcons, source says (as @Schultz_Report reported). Atlanta had some talks with the #Rams about trading for the former UGA RB before he was released.
5:12am · 20 Mar 2020

[CTA513]

Roethlisberger after 1 week of quarantine.

https://twitter.com/steelers/status/1241151546739621889

[adkindo]

Players who can get open underneath where Brady can pinpoint a quick pass in stride is his specialty. He knows who they are and I'm certain he has already spoken to Ownership/Management about his interest. Wouldn't it be prudent to get this Hall-of-Famer and 5-time Super Bowl Champion's opinion about who he believes could specifically benefit from working with him?

sure, but I just do not want to spend significant limited remaining cap on the position when RoJo has shown signs of being a decent pass catcher out of the backfield, and especially when there are several backs in the draft with good hands. Swift has shown good hands, as has Dobbins, Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Cam Akers.....with the latter couple probably available in the mid rounds.

[Kingspoint]

sure, but I just do not want to spend significant limited remaining cap on the position when RoJo has shown signs of being a decent pass catcher out of the backfield, and especially when there are several backs in the draft with good hands. Swift has shown good hands, as has Dobbins, Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Cam Akers.....with the latter couple probably available in the mid rounds.

Oh, I don't think you noticed I "liked" your comment about R.J.'s end-of-season jump from "showing flashes" of his abilities to finally showing he was ready for them to finally move on from everyone else and give him the starting job. Just saying that it would be wise to listen to a QB who has 5 Super Bowl rings as probably the best football mind of any Quarterback to ever play this game. He would know better than most in the game who could team with him the best in order to win a Super Bowl. Multiple players who can break open quickly have always been the key to Brady's success. And, Brady will never pick a Rookie because all Rookie's always have too many flaws. Brady uses players who he can count on to do the right thing and this takes several years of NFL experience to acquire. There are no good Rookies to be using with Brady. None. They make too many mistakes and fail to make the correct adjustments necessary at the line of scrimmage at presnap based on recognition of coverage. They could have hands of glue and run the best routes in the world, but it does them no good if they fail to adjust to a Defense's changes at presnap.

[Sea Ray]

I know it will never happen, but if I was Winston, I would consider resigning with Tampa Bay and backing up Brady for a couple seasons. Learn from the GOAT, then take back over when he retires. His other options are going to be the "dead QB taking snaps" until a rookie is ready or backing up on another team. I think his reputation would remain stronger backing up Brady, and at Brady's age, he is as likely to get injured as anyone.

Also with the rumors of AB coming with Brady to Tampa Bay, and if he can actually get cleared to play....how does any defense stop those receiving weapons? Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, OJ Howard....wow, you better have a two great CB's, great Nickelback and a Safety that can cover!

You can't pencil in AB anywhere. Given his history, we should all know that by now

[WVRed]

I know it will never happen, but if I was Winston, I would consider resigning with Tampa Bay and backing up Brady for a couple seasons. Learn from the GOAT, then take back over when he retires. His other options are going to be the "dead QB taking snaps" until a rookie is ready or backing up on another team. I think his reputation would remain stronger backing up Brady, and at Brady's age, he is as likely to get injured as anyone.

Also with the rumors of AB coming with Brady to Tampa Bay, and if he can actually get cleared to play....how does any defense stop those receiving weapons? Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, OJ Howard....wow, you better have a two great CB's, great Nickelback and a Safety that can cover!

Simple answer, have a quality pass rush because Tampa doesn’t have a line that can protect Brady to rattle him to keep him from hitting those receivers.

[Bob Sheed]

Simple answer, have a quality pass rush because Tampa doesn’t have a line that can protect Brady to rattle him to keep him from hitting those receivers.

If a 300lb 26 year old hits Brady at full speed, will there even be a body left or will it just be a pile of dust?

[Kingspoint]

Simple answer, have a quality pass rush because Tampa doesn’t have a line that can protect Brady to rattle him to keep him from hitting those receivers.

That's the Bengals' plan for Burrows, apparently.

[WVRed]

That's the Bengals' plan for Burrows, apparently.

I’d take Tampa’s receivers over the Bengals any day.

Plus the Bengals have a former first round pick coming in next year plus whoever else they draft on Day 2.

[Kingspoint]

I’d take Tampa’s receivers over the Bengals any day.

Plus the Bengals have a former first round pick coming in next year plus whoever else they draft on Day 2.

Two, if Price steps up.

[adkindo]

Simple answer, have a quality pass rush because Tampa doesn’t have a line that can protect Brady to rattle him to keep him from hitting those receivers.

Tampa's line definitely needs to improve, but I will also say some in the media (not you) have spoke incorrectly about TB's offensive line. They were mediocre last season. Some of that gets lost in the sack numbers and lack of running game, but neither were 100% on the line. The offense had the most 7 step drops last year in the NFL, and when you combine that with Winston's desire to hold onto the ball too long and reluctance of chucking it out of bounds, the sack numbers skyrocket. Also, Peyton Barber is a mediocre backup RB, and I can't explain why RoJo took almost 2 seasons to figure out in the NFL sometimes you have to hit the hole hard and fast, while other times you have to time your runs to find daylight....again, not sure if he just was uneasy with the smaller holes to run through or what, but he sucked the first 1.75 years of his career. The point is Tampa Bay did not have a RB to consistently produce with an average offensive line. I kind if find the real problem upgrading the offensive line is there really is not clear weak link....they are all just mostly mediocre.

[Kingspoint]

Tampa's line definitely needs to improve, but I will also say some in the media (not you) have spoke incorrectly about TB's offensive line. They were mediocre last season. Some of that gets lost in the sack numbers and lack of running game, but neither were 100% on the line. The offense had the most 7 step drops last year in the NFL, and when you combine that with Winston's desire to hold onto the ball too long and reluctance of chucking it out of bounds, the sack numbers skyrocket. Also, Peyton Barber is a mediocre backup RB, and I can't explain why RoJo took almost 2 seasons to figure out in the NFL sometimes you have to hit the hole hard and fast, while other times you have to time your runs to find daylight....again, not sure if he just was uneasy with the smaller holes to run through or what, but he sucked the first 1.75 years of his career. The point is Tampa Bay did not have a RB to consistently produce with an average offensive line. I kind if find the real problem upgrading the offensive line is there really is not clear weak link....they are all just mostly mediocre.

Brady has traditionally had an Offensive Line of late-round picks and undrafted free agents as they only had to hold their block for a split second with Brady's quick-release. The cerebral nature of Brady instantly upgrades Tampa's Line to at least average in the NFL.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Brady has traditionally had an Offensive Line of late-round picks and undrafted free agents as they only had to hold their block for a split second with Brady's quick-release. The cerebral nature of Brady instantly upgrades Tampa's Line to at least average in the NFL.

The issue here, of course, is that the offense as it is designed in Tampa, doesn't use as many three- or even five-step drops as other NFL offenses.

Tampa used the most seven-step dropbacks of any team in the game. He's done that for his entire career.

His "No risk it, no biscuit" philosophy will mean Brady gets hit and sacked many more times than he was in New England.

That said, Brady still has the arm strength to deliver the throws Arians expects out of his QBs.

This article from The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/1683618/2020/03/19/how-tom-brady-and-bruce-arians-will-adapt-to-each-other/)is exceptional in its analysis of how the marriage of systems is likely to play out.

In short, expect the Bucs to add to the offensive line (specifically at tackle) and draft/ sign safety valve RBs with hands.

[Kingspoint]

The issue here, of course, is that the offense as it is designed in Tampa, doesn't use as many three- or even five-step drops as other NFL offenses.

Tampa used the most seven-step dropbacks of any team in the game. He's done that for his entire career.

His "No risk it, no biscuit" philosophy will mean Brady gets hit and sacked many more times than he was in New England.

That said, Brady still has the arm strength to deliver the throws Arians expects out of his QBs.

This article from The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/1683618/2020/03/19/how-tom-brady-and-bruce-arians-will-adapt-to-each-other/)is exceptional in its analysis of how the marriage of systems is likely to play out.

In short, expect the Bucs to add to the offensive line (specifically at tackle) and draft/ sign safety valve RBs with hands.

Truly the design needs a wholesale change, though I disagree they will discover anyone in the draft who can help Brady as a pass-catcher underneath without causing more problems than he creates. That player needs to be a Veteran.

[North]

Cam Newton released.

https://www.al.com/sports/2020/03/carolina-panthers-releasing-cam-newton.html

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said club facilities will be closed from March 26 to at least April 8.

Not only is this a safety precaution for the NFL's employees, but it's also one way the league can keep an even playing field going into the 2020 NFL Draft. Some teams were already staying at home during the coronavirus pandemic, which created some competitive advantages for teams still meeting daily. The NFL Draft remains scheduled for April 23-25, but Pro Days and Top-30 visits have been slashed. Expect fewer non-Combine invited players to be drafted next month.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[adkindo]

Truly the design needs a wholesale change, though I disagree they will discover anyone in the draft who can help Brady as a pass-catcher underneath without causing more problems than he creates. That player needs to be a Veteran.

I am sure there will be tweaks, but I would be surprised at anything that resembles "wholesale changes". I have seen claims without credible sources suggesting that one thing that attracted Brady was the weapons and offense that would allow him to be more aggressive going downfield. It appears that the Bucs will be adding another back via the draft...or at least the tea leaves point in that direction. I can see them using their 2nd Round pick on guy like Swift or Edwards-Helaire if either are still on the board. Do not get me wrong, I think Arians/Leftwich will use the TE's more than an Arians offense ever has in the past....likewise, I also think they will "try" to incorporate their RB's into the passing game more...yet at the end of the day, this offense will use Evans and Godwin to go downfield.

[Kingspoint]

I am sure there will be tweaks, but I would be surprised at anything that resembles "wholesale changes". I have seen claims without credible sources suggesting that one thing that attracted Brady was the weapons and offense that would allow him to be more aggressive going downfield. It appears that the Bucs will be adding another back via the draft...or at least the tea leaves point in that direction. I can see them using their 2nd Round pick on guy like Swift or Edwards-Helaire if either are still on the board. Do not get me wrong, I think Arians/Leftwich will use the TE's more than an Arians offense ever has in the past....likewise, I also think they will "try" to incorporate their RB's into the passing game more...yet at the end of the day, this offense will use Evans and Godwin to go downfield.

Good thing about the quarantine is that there will be more time for them to discuss it, but less time to practice it, so that prevents it from being a wholesale change the first season, but by the 2021 season it could be unrecognizable compared to 2019.

- - - Updated - - -

Can Ron Jones throw a pass?

[Kingspoint]

Suh, Barrett, Pierre-Paul...put a formidable D-Line together in Tampa.

[adkindo]

Suh, Barrett, Pierre-Paul...put a formidable D-Line together in Tampa.

Don't forget about Vita Vea and Gholston up front with Suh....then Barrett and JPP on the outside....with Devin White (NFC Rookie of Month in November and December) and Lavonte David @ inside linebackers! Their defense got overlooked last year, but their rushing defense was the best in the NFL last season. Also, the secondary, especially at the CB position appeared to grow up in the second half of the season.

This Bucs team is a legit Superbowl contender if they can get solid play from the Offensive Line and Secondary.

[Kingspoint]

Don't forget about Vita Vea and Gholston up front with Suh....then Barrett and JPP on the outside....with Devin White (NFC Rookie of Month in November and December) and Lavonte David @ inside linebackers! Their defense got overlooked last year, but their rushing defense was the best in the NFL last season. Also, the secondary, especially at the CB position appeared to grow up in the second half of the season.

This Bucs team is a legit Superbowl contender if they can get solid play from the Offensive Line and Secondary.

Clearly, the most dominant D-Line in the NFL. First time in Brady's career that he has a formidable opponent (Brees and Payton) in his own Division. Could probably use the challenge.

[Sea Ray]

What are the NE Patriots doing? Are they tanking? It sure seems like it but it's hard to imagine a Belichick coached team tanking. It's also awfully hard to tank in that division as the Dolphins showed last yr

[North]

Drew Brees pledges $5 million to Louisiana coronavirus charity efforts
Today 10:54 AM

https://www.al.com/sports/2020/03/drew-brees-pledges-5-million-to-louisiana-coronavirus-charity-efforts.html

[Kingspoint]

Drew Brees pledges $5 million to Louisiana coronavirus charity efforts
Today 10:54 AM

https://www.al.com/sports/2020/03/drew-brees-pledges-5-million-to-louisiana-coronavirus-charity-efforts.html

"Brittany and I are committing $5,000,000 to the State of Louisiana in 2020. The priority now is helping our communities get through this tough time. After considerable research and conversations with local organizations, we will be mobilizing our partnerships with Second Harvest Food Bank, Ochsner Health Systems, Walk-Ons, Jimmy Johns, Smalls Sliders and Waitr to prepare and deliver over 10,000 meals per day throughout Louisiana for as long as it takes to children on meal programs, seniors, and families in need. Let’s all do our part, maintain hope, and get through this together."

SOURCE: Drew Brees on Twitter

[adkindo]

What are the NE Patriots doing? Are they tanking? It sure seems like it but it's hard to imagine a Belichick coached team tanking. It's also awfully hard to tank in that division as the Dolphins showed last yr

My money is on Belichick will enter the season expecting to be playing in January....maybe even the Superbowl. I doubt that will happen, but I would be surprised if he did not believe that should happen.

[adkindo]

Drew Brees pledges $5 million to Louisiana coronavirus charity efforts
Today 10:54 AM

https://www.al.com/sports/2020/03/drew-brees-pledges-5-million-to-louisiana-coronavirus-charity-efforts.html

Never heard a bad word spoken about the man.....from national reporters to no name small media beat writers to fans that had an opportunity to meet him. I do not like the Saints, and by extension Brees the QB....but it is hard not to respect the guy.

[Boston Red]

Kirk Herbstreit says he'd be "shocked" if there is college and pro football this fall. I always knew I hated that guy!

https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/27/kirk-herbstreit-nfl-football-college/

[North]

Derek Wolfe, former UC Bearcats standout, signs one-year deal with Baltimore Ravens

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2020/03/28/derek-wolfe-baltimore-ravens-sign-former-denver-broncos-defensive-end/2934308001/

[North]

NFL playoffs officially expanded to 14 teams
We’ll see two more Wild Card games in the postseason.
By Jason Marcum@marcum89 Mar 31, 2020, 2:05pm EDT


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2020/3/31/21201725/nfl-playoffs-14-teams-expansion-wild-card-round

[adkindo]

Winston is clearly talented, and Buccaneers coach Bruce Arians says his former quarterback is one of the hardest workers he’s ever been around. This week, the 26-year-old got another endorsement from Tampa Bay when WR Chris Godwin told The Boardroom that “half” of Winston’s 30 interceptions were due to mistakes by receivers.

Via The Tampa Bay Times:

“I definitely think he got more of the blame than he deserved,” Godwin added. “I think he’s a really, really talented quarterback. Obviously there are things that he does that you can’t teach. And there are plays that he made that just weren’t smart plays. But a lot of the mistakes and interceptions that he made, I would say half of them were because of a bad read on someone else’s part. … The great thing about him is he’s not going to go out there and throw anybody under the bus. He’s going to own up to it, he’s going to take it, and he’s going to be a leader. And there’s respect to that.”

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/03/chris-godwin-jameis-winston-interceptions

not sure if it was half, but still glad Godwin is speaking out for Winston. Every QB has interceptions that were not his fault, but Winston had more than most. I can recall 2 imperfect passes that a great TE would have caught, but went off OJ's hands and were picked. There were a handful of others where Winston was visibly upset with a receiver for a read or pattern. Combine that with the "no risk it, no biscuit" 7 step drop scheme, and a QB will have more than a few interceptions. I am not saying many or even most were not partly or fully on Winston, but the narrative of Winston being a terrible QB is way over done. I am one of the minority of Bucs fans that are not a 100% sure the organization went in the right direction at QB this summer. A lot of QB's in the NFL would not have been able to put up over 5k yards and 30+ TD's in Tampa Bay last season.

[North]

No draft war rooms:

Roger Goodell informs the Browns and all NFL teams they must conduct the NFL draft remotely & individually amid the coronavirus epidemic

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/04/roger-goodell-informs-the-browns-and-all-nfl-teams-they-must-conduct-the-nfl-draft-remotely-individually-amid-the-coronavirus-epidemic.html

[Kingspoint]

What if someone hacked into it and traded the #1 pick to Miami?

[Bob Sheed]

Then Miami would still blow it and pick Tua.

[adkindo]

What if someone hacked into it and traded the #1 pick to Miami?

it does seem open for shenanigans....jamming up communications or something.

[adkindo]

not going to lie.....I wanted creamsicle, but the new uniforms are pretty nice!

https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox13news.com/www.fox13news.com/content/uploads/2020/04/932/524/bucs-new-uniform.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

[adkindo]

not crazy about the Falcons new uniforms...

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/YKrjg5CchRGTOKTaLB5_0g--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-04/2ae0aa80-799b-11ea-bb75-f1ae8b4ee46c

[Kingspoint]

Roger Goodell is a fool.



From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports "certain coaches and front-office staffers" are reluctant to have IT employees in their homes for fear of spreading the COVID-19 virus.

It's the first true hang-up execs have experienced since the league announced it would be ignorantly pushing forward with this year's draft. Not only are some coaches and front-office members concerned about sharing their homes with IT employees, some of the latter have also reportedly voiced their concerns about going into others homes to equip them. With a handful of general managers and head coaches continuing to push back, it will be interesting to hear Commissioner Roger Goodell's response to any who audibly oppose his iron fist. This new development likely won't effect the draft from commencing as scheduled on April 23.

[Kingspoint]

League employees and Owners need to tell Goodell to stick it where the sun don't shine.

[Kingspoint]

Goodell needs to be sued for trying to put employees in danger of harm and death under the current labor laws (which doesn't even consider the threat to other family members).

[adkindo]

Goodell needs to be sued for trying to put employees in danger of harm and death under the current labor laws (which doesn't even consider the threat to other family members).

Are you going to watch the draft?

[Kingspoint]

Are you going to watch the draft?

Yes. Excited for the Bengals. At this point, it's realistic to believe there won't be one in April. Goodell's living in fantasyland.

[Boston Red]

Nevermind, saw it was a prank.

[WVRed]

Kaepernick getting a contract is proof that there will be no NFL season this fall.

You realize that was fake, right?

[emoji846]

[Boston Red]

You realize that was fake, right?

[emoji846]

Yeah, I noticed after.

[RiverRat13]

Tua had at least one, possibly two previously undisclosed broken wrists - https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article241873141.html

[Chip R]

You realize that was fake, right?

[emoji846]

$9M A Year should have been a dead giveaway even if it was the Jets.

[WrongVerb]

Former Pro Bowl Running Back Chris Johnson Under Investigation For Alleged Involvement In Murder For Hire Case (https://usports.org/former-pro-bowl-running-back-chris-johnson-under-investigation-for-alleged-involvement-in-murder-for-hire-case/)


Former Pro Bowl running back Chris Johnson is under investigation for allegedly hiring someone for a murder that left two people dead in 2016. TMZ reported that Johnson is accused of paying “a noted Florida gang member” to murder two men Johnson suspected were responsible for a shooting that resulted in his friend Dreekius Johnson’s death in March 2015. Dreekius was driving a Jeep before he was shot in the head while Johnson was in the passenger seat and suffered a shot to the right shoulder.

[adkindo]

Jay Glazer announces last night that he is going to announce this major news story on his show today.....the internet goes crazy with theories.


Jay Glazer
@JayGlazer

Breaking: First active NFL player to test positive for the corona virus, Rams C Brian Allen, told (cont) http://tl.gd/noo340

11:03 PM · Apr 15, 2020

Someone oversold the $h*t out of this story. :angry:

[WVRed]

Well, here’s my first round mock and 7 rounds for the Bengals:

1. Cin- Joe Burrow (QB-LSU)
2. Was-Chase Young (DE-OSU)
3. Mia*-Tua Tagovaiola (QB-ALA)
4. NYG-Isaiah Simmons (LB-Clemson)
5. DET*-Jeff Okudah (CB-OSU)
6. LAC- Justin Herbert (QB-Oregon)
7. CAR- Derrick Brown (DT-Auburn)
8. ARI- Jedrick Wills (OT-ALA)
9. JAX- CJ Henderson (CB-Fla)
10. CLE- Tristan Wirfs (OT-Iowa)
11.NYJ- Meckhi Becton (OT-Louisville)
12.LV- Henry Ruggs (WR-Ala)
13.SF- Javon Kinlaw (DT-SC)
14.TB-Andrew Thomas (OT-UGA)
15.DEN-Jerry Jeudy (WR-ALA)
16.ATL-Klavon Chiasson (LB-LSU)
17.DAL-Ceedee Lamb (WR-Oklahoma)
18.MIA-Josh Jones (OT-Houston)
19.LV-Trevon Diggs (CB-ALA)
20.JAX-Terrell Lewis (DE-ALA)
21.PHI-Justin Jefferson (WR-LSU)
22.MIN-Jaylon Johnson (CB-Utah)
23.GB-Kristian Fulton (CB-LSU)
24.NO-Jordan Love (QB-Utah St)
25.MIN-Tee Higgins (WR-Clemson)
26.DET-Grant Delpit (S-LSU)
27.SEA-Ross Blalock (DT-TCU)
28.BAL-Kenneth Murray (LB-Oklahoma)
29.TEN-Yetur Gross-Matos (DE-Penn St)
30.NE-Lloyd Cushenberry (C-LSU)
31.SF-Patrick Queen (LB-LSU)
32.KC-Jonathan Taylor (RB-Wisconsin)

Bengals
2. Denzel Mims (WR-Baylor)
3. Isaiah Wilson (OT-Georgia)
4. Davion Taylor (LB-Colorado)
5.Jon Runyon (G-Michigan)
6. Calvin Throckmorton (OT-Oregon)
7. Malcolm Roach (DT-Texas)

[adkindo]

Well, here’s my first round mock and 7 rounds for the Bengals:

1. Cin- Joe Burrow (QB-LSU)
2. Was-Chase Young (DE-OSU)
3. Mia*-Tua Tagovaiola (QB-ALA)
4. NYG-Isaiah Simmons (LB-Clemson)
5. DET*-Jeff Okudah (CB-OSU)
6. LAC- Justin Herbert (QB-Oregon)
7. CAR- Derrick Brown (DT-Auburn)
8. ARI- Jedrick Wills (OT-ALA)
9. JAX- CJ Henderson (CB-Fla)
10. CLE- Tristan Wirfs (OT-Iowa)
11.NYJ- Meckhi Becton (OT-Louisville)
12.LV- Henry Ruggs (WR-Ala)
13.SF- Javon Kinlaw (DT-SC)
14.TB-Andrew Thomas (OT-UGA)
15.DEN-Jerry Jeudy (WR-ALA)
16.ATL-Klavon Chiasson (LB-LSU)
17.DAL-Ceedee Lamb (WR-Oklahoma)
18.MIA-Josh Jones (OT-Houston)
19.LV-Trevon Diggs (CB-ALA)
20.JAX-Terrell Lewis (DE-ALA)
21.PHI-Justin Jefferson (WR-LSU)
22.MIN-Jaylon Johnson (CB-Utah)
23.GB-Kristian Fulton (CB-LSU)
24.NO-Jordan Love (QB-Utah St)
25.MIN-Tee Higgins (WR-Clemson)
26.DET-Grant Delpit (S-LSU)
27.SEA-Ross Blalock (DT-TCU)
28.BAL-Kenneth Murray (LB-Oklahoma)
29.TEN-Yetur Gross-Matos (DE-Penn St)
30.NE-Lloyd Cushenberry (C-LSU)
31.SF-Patrick Queen (LB-LSU)
32.KC-Jonathan Taylor (RB-Wisconsin)

Bengals
2. Denzel Mims (WR-Baylor)
3. Isaiah Wilson (OT-Georgia)
4. Davion Taylor (LB-Colorado)
5.Jon Runyon (G-Michigan)
6. Calvin Throckmorton (OT-Oregon)
7. Malcolm Roach (DT-Texas)

My 2 cents.....if the draft played out as you forecast. Again, just my thoughts on the positioning, which I assume you are predicting what teams will do and not your personal preference.

- it will be a painful mistake for the teams that select Jeudy and/or Ruggs if Lamb is on the board.

- if SF can get Kinlaw @ #13, I think that will great value.

- Chiasson @ #16 and Delpit @ #26 will not be great picks....think both are being overrated based on being part of a great college defense.

- do not like Higgins in the 1st round after his times were reported.

- think Blalock @ #27 and Murray @ #28 would be steals.

- Yetur Gross-Matos in the 1st Round may get a GM fired (with a real but much smaller chance of getting the GM a bigger bonus)

[WVRed]

My 2 cents.....if the draft played out as you forecast. Again, just my thoughts on the positioning, which I assume you are predicting what teams will do and not your personal preference.

- it will be a painful mistake for the teams that select Jeudy and/or Ruggs if Lamb is on the board.

- if SF can get Kinlaw @ #13, I think that will great value.

- Chiasson @ #16 and Delpit @ #26 will not be great picks....think both are being overrated based on being part of a great college defense.

- do not like Higgins in the 1st round after his times were reported.

- think Blalock @ #27 and Murray @ #28 would be steals.

- Yetur Gross-Matos in the 1st Round may get a GM fired (with a real but much smaller chance of getting the GM a bigger bonus)

JMO but I think Lamb, Jeudy, and Ruggs are interchangeable. Ruggs has the best speed of the three which I think Gruden and Mayock will capitalize on. Jeudy is the best route runner and Denver already has a similar receiver to Lamb in Sutton. Lamb dropping to Dallas would be a steal to pair next to Amari Cooper.

I thought about Jeudy or Lamb to SF before I decided on Kinlaw. I posted this back around the Super Bowl comparing what the 9ers did to what the Bengals should do but Lynch has used first round picks to heavily invest in the trenches. Wouldn’t surprise me if they dip into the o-line at 31 instead of Patrick Queen but if Lynch comes away with Kinlaw and Queen the 9ers easily win day one.

Agree on Chiasson and Delpit but Chiasson will definitely be a first round pick and Atlanta just lost Vic Beasley. Delpit could slide into the second but pairing him with Okudah would on paper improve Detroit’s secondary.

Again, the receiver class is so deep and interchangeable. Wouldn’t be surprised if 6 go in the first round and the big 3 are Jeudy, Lamb, and Ruggs. After that, pick from Aiyuk, Mims, Higgins, Jefferson, Higgins, Shenault, and Reagor. Throw in Pittman and you’ve got 10 that could go in the first two rounds. Minnesota needs a receiver after dealing Diggs and Higgins would be a size threat but so would Mims.

Agree on Blalock and Murray and hate pegging him to Baltimore. Also think Cushenberry is a Belichick pick especially with conventional wisdom thinking they should take Love. Speaking of Love, NO getting him to sit behind and take over for Brees is great value.

I think Matos goes late first early second.

[adkindo]

^^^^I think most agree with you on Lamb/Juedy/Ruggs...but I am going all in on Lamb. He has that quality I love in a WR.....throw anywhere near him, and there is a really good chance he is coming down with the ball.

[WVRed]

^^^^I think most agree with you on Lamb/Juedy/Ruggs...but I am going all in on Lamb. He has that quality I love in a WR.....throw anywhere near him, and there is a really good chance he is coming down with the ball.

He has probably the highest ceiling along with Mims but he has a higher floor than Mims.

I have the Bengals taking Mims but as raw as he is he could be the biggest bust in the draft if he doesn’t pan out.

[adkindo]

He has probably the highest ceiling along with Mims but he has a higher floor than Mims.

I have the Bengals taking Mims but as raw as he is he could be the biggest bust in the draft if he doesn’t pan out.

I think Mims is in a group of about 4-5 guys @ WR in this draft that are screaming "boom or bust".

[adkindo]

holy $h*t....Gronk is a Buc! I guess they will move OJ. :cry:

[oregonred]

Wow, that is crazy

Also Tom Brady was cited for walking alone in a closed Tampa park. Maybe he was on the phone to Gronk and needed space...

2 TE sets with OJ and Gronk would be pretty uncoverable

[North]

Wow, that is crazy
:p
Also Tom Brady was cited for walking alone in a closed Tampa park. Maybe he was on the phone to Gronk and needed space...

2 TE sets with OJ and Gronk would be pretty uncoverable

Odd times... :p

[Bourgeois Zee]

If I'm Las Vegas, I'd pull the trigger on Tua over Herbert or Eason at #19.

The question is whether Miami will do the same one pick before.

[oregonred]

I haven't seen any scenario where Tua is there at #18 or 19?

Rumor has it his Wunderlic score was terrible at 13, but think someone still takes a chance on him between #5-10

[Bourgeois Zee]

I haven't seen any scenario where Tua is there at #18 or 19?

Rumor has it his Wunderlic score was terrible at 13, but think someone still takes a chance on him between #5-10

Add two undisclosed broken wrists and talk of him not being a first round pick for many teams to the questions about his hip and his Wunderlic.

[oregonred]

I absolutely don't think the Dolphins should take Tua at #5 for all the reasons noted above

[WrongVerb]

Pats trade Gronk and a 7th rounder to the Bucs for their 4th round comp pick.

[adkindo]

Pats trade Gronk and a 7th rounder to the Bucs for their 4th round comp pick.

did not even get the 117th pick....

[adkindo]

Wow, that is crazy

Also Tom Brady was cited for walking alone in a closed Tampa park. Maybe he was on the phone to Gronk and needed space...

2 TE sets with OJ and Gronk would be pretty uncoverable

the thought earlier in the week they would try to acquire draft capital, then move picks and maybe a contract like Thuney to get up high enough to draft Tua....but I do not see the 139th pick doing much to get there. I do not see the Patriots having much interest in a QB outside Tua, Herbert or Love (and of course Burrow). Personally I would not have interest in Fromm, nor would I touch Eason with a 10' pole.

[WVRed]

Second Round:

33. Cincinnati-Denzel Mims (WR-Baylor)
34. Indianapolis f/WAS- Brandon Aiyuk (WR-Az St)
35. Detroit-Neville Gallimore (DT-Oklahoma)
36. NY Giants-Cesar Ruiz (G-Michigan)
37. LA Chargers-Austin Jackson (OT-USC)
38. Carolina-Jeff Gladney (CB-TCU)
39. Detroit*-AJ Epenesa (DE-Iowa)
40. Houston f/ARI-Jalen Reagor (WR-TCU)
41. Cleveland-Xavier McKinney (S-Alabama)
42. Jacksonville-Marlon Davidson (DT-Auburn)
43. Chicago f/LV-Jeremy Chinn (S-Southern Ill)
44. Indianapolis-Ezra Cleveland (OT-Boise St)
45. Tampa Bay-D’Andre Swift (RB-Georgia)
46. Denver-Robert Hunt (OT-Louisiana)
47. Atlanta-AJ Terrell (CB-Clemson)
48. NY Jets-Michael Pittman Jr (WR-USC)
49. Pittsburgh-Jacob Eason (QB-Washington)
50. Chicago-Zack Baun (LB-Wisconsin)
51. Dallas-Ashtyn Davis (S-California)
52. LA Rams-Josh Uche (DE-Michigan)
53. Philadelphia-Noah Igboheine (CB-Auburn)
54. Buffalo-Cam Akers (RB-Florida St)
55. Baltimore f/NE via ATL JK Dobbins (RB-OSU)
56. Miami f/NO-Antoine Winfield Jr (S-Minnesota)
57. LA Rams f/HOU-Laviska Shenault (WR-Colorado)
58. Minnesota-Justin Madbuike (DT-Texas A&M)
59. Seattle-Jordyn Brooks (LB-Texas Tech)
60. Baltimore-Damien Lewis (G-LSU)
61. Tennessee-Raekwon Davis (DT-Alabama)
62. Green Bay-KJ Hamler (WR-Penn St)
63. Kansas City f/SF- Willie Gay Jr (LB-Mississippi St)
64. Seattle f/KC-Prince Tega Wagonho(OT-TCU)

[ScotlandRed]

Flip that 4th rounder right on over to the Bengals for Dalton please Pats!

[adkindo]

Percy Harvin wants to return...claims he had a dream about playing with Brady a few months ago. I know a team that needs a slot receiver, and Tom Brady is their QB!


"I had a dream a while ago when 12 was with the Patriots, that I would play for Tom Brady,” Harvin told Anderson. “That was well before the pandemic, and he went to the Bucs, my comeback was already in the works. But I’m ready for any offense that’ll just let me go."

[KoryMac5]

Percy Harvin wants to return...claims he had a dream about playing with Brady a few months ago. I know a team that needs a slot receiver, and Tom Brady is their QB!

Bad pun but Harvin was a huge headache for many of the teams he played for...

Also over/under on how many games Gronk plays next season...I say 8

[Ohayou]

50/50 chance Tua goes to Miami at 5, IMO. The more I think about it, the more I like Herbert over Tua. If Miami goes with Herbert, I could possibly see the Chargers picking Tua, but not the Panthers. Raiders/Jags are a possibility as well (although Carr looked sharp last year). I also think Love will be the next QB picked, possibly at the end of the 1st. 50/50 again. Eason/Fromm maybe in the 3rd. I like Fromm - potential sleeper pick.

[ScotlandRed]

50/50 chance Tua goes to Miami at 5, IMO. The more I think about it, the more I like Herbert over Tua. If Miami goes with Herbert, I could possibly see the Chargers picking Tua, but not the Panthers. Raiders/Jags are a possibility as well (although Carr looked sharp last year). I also think Love will be the next QB picked, possibly at the end of the 1st. 50/50 again. Eason/Fromm maybe in the 3rd. I like Fromm - potential sleeper pick.

I like Fromm but I think he probably has to work in a particular system. I think he could be good in NE but think they might go QB a bit higher.

[WVRed]

50/50 chance Tua goes to Miami at 5, IMO. The more I think about it, the more I like Herbert over Tua. If Miami goes with Herbert, I could possibly see the Chargers picking Tua, but not the Panthers. Raiders/Jags are a possibility as well (although Carr looked sharp last year). I also think Love will be the next QB picked, possibly at the end of the 1st. 50/50 again. Eason/Fromm maybe in the 3rd. I like Fromm - potential sleeper pick.

I think Jalen Hurts and Jacob Eason is will be in contention for the 4th QB taken, possibly as high as Pittsburgh in the second round.

[Kingspoint]

No simulator. Just my guesses based on total draft needs. Did the first four rounds. Dalton gets traded to New England for the #98 pick. Trent Williams gets traded to Tampa Bay for O. J. Howard and the #45 pick. Only time to post the first round.

1. CIN - Joe Burrow QB, LSU

2. WAS - Chase Young ED, Ohio St

3. DET - Jeff Okudah CB, Ohio St

4. ***TRADE*** Jacksonville Jaguars give up 2020 #'s 9 & 20 for New York Giants 2020 #4.
JAX - Tua Tagovailoa QB, Alabama

5. MIA - Andrew Thomas LT, Georgia

6. LAC - Jedrick Wills LT, Alabama

7. ***TRADE*** New York Jets give up 2020 #'s 11, 68 and 2021 1st Rd (NYJ) for Carolina Panthers 2020 #7.
NYJ - Tristan Wirfs LT, Iowa

8. ***TRADE*** Cleveland Browns give up 2020 #'s 10 & 41 for Arizona Cardinals 2020 #8.
CLE - Josh Jones LT, Houston

9. ***TRADE*** Atlanta Falcons give up 2020 #'s 16, 47 and 2021 1st Rd (ATL) for New York Giants #9.
ATL - Javon Kinlaw DT, South Carolina

10. ARI - Mekhi Becton OT, Louisville

11. CAR - Derrick Brown DT, Auburn

12. LVR - CeeDee Lamb WR, Oklahoma

13. SF - Jerry Jeudy WR, Alabama

14. TAM - Kristian Fulton CB, LSU

15. DEN - Denzil Mims WR, Baylor

16. NYG - Henry Ruggs III WR, Alabama

17. DAL - C.J. Henderson CB, Florida

18. MIA - Jordan Love QB, Utah St

19. LVR - Justin Hebert QB, Oregon

20. NYG - Isaiah Simmons LB, Clemson

21. PHI - Jalen Reagor WR, TCU

22. MIN - Xavier McKinney S, Alabama

23. NEP A.J. Epeneza ED, Iowa

24. ***TRADE*** Miami Dolphins give up 2020 #'s 26 & 56 for New Orleans Saints 2020 #24.
MIA - Laviska Shenault Jr. WR, Colorado

25. MIN - Jaylon Johnson CB, Utah

26. NOS - Grant Delpit S, LSU

27. SEA - Trevon Diggs CB, Alabama

28. BAL - Patrick Queen LB, LSU

29. TEN - Jeff Gladney CB, TCU

30. GBP Justin Jefferson WR, LSU

31. ***TRADE*** New York Giants give up 2020 #'s 36 & 99 for San Francisco 49ers 2020 #31.
NYG - Curtis Weaver ED, Boise St

32. KCC - A.J. Terrell CB, Clemson

[Rojo Rijo]

Simmons at #20????????????????

My jaw is on the floor if he makes it past Las Vegas at #12. He is a freak athlete, a defensive Swiss army knife. In a league where the athletic TEs have become superior weapons he is the ultimate counter, a LB who runs like a CB. He's a sideline - sideline capable linebacker. I'd had him top 7 without question but with all the reports of a run on the tackles (Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Wills) plus the 3 QBs and Young that's 8, then you'd likely see Brown and Okudah in there somewhere that makes 10 so my range for Simmons is 4 - 13 if I include the possibility of guys like Jones, Kinlaw, and CJ though I highly doubt it. I can't imagine any WRs going before him but both the Jets and Raiders need help. Either way I will be furious if my Jags stay at #9 and he's available and they pass.

[Kingspoint]

Simmons at #20????????????????

My jaw is on the floor if he makes it past Las Vegas at #12. He is a freak athlete, a defensive Swiss army knife. In a league where the athletic TEs have become superior weapons he is the ultimate counter, a LB who runs like a CB. He's a sideline - sideline capable linebacker. I'd had him top 7 without question but with all the reports of a run on the tackles (Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Wills) plus the 3 QBs and Young that's 8, then you'd likely see Brown and Okudah in there somewhere that makes 10 so my range for Simmons is 4 - 13 if I include the possibility of guys like Jones, Kinlaw, and CJ though I highly doubt it. I can't imagine any WRs going before him but both the Jets and Raiders need help. Either way I will be furious if my Jags stay at #9 and he's available and they pass.

Every time a team's pick came up during the first 19 selections after #3, Simmons simply wasn't a player that team was looking for while another player improved the team better. Every team was struggling to figure out how to use him. CAR would be his best fit, but CAR likes the impact of Derrick Brown at NT better. NYG finally took him as a wth choice, we'll figure out how to use him. It's not that teams are concerned how to use him best, but more concerned that he isn't exposed being put in one position. He'll have to be moved around. He's most similar to Troy Paulamula in his ability to play everywhere, but nowhere.

I just woke up and see now that the word "plunge" is being used with Simmons, that JAX is the most likely scenario for Tua and that MIA still desperately wants Joe Burrow, but CIN isn't budging.

Thought my biggest surprise to people here is MIA taking Love at #18 over Hebert.

[Kingspoint]

The pick I hated the most to make was ARI - Becton. Becton doesn't belong in the 1st Rd any more than Ogbuehi did. If they didn't take him, SEA might have taken him at 27, they added Ogbuehi to their roster, a slot he fits much better. But, ARI doesn't do things like anyone else.

[Kingspoint]

If Hebert falls past #19 and the LVR I would be surprised, though the NEP could try to trade up from #23 to #16 with future picks to get Love or Hebert. But, I think MIA has been great at hiding their interest in Love (though we know NEP have spies everywhere), fools New England, and that NEP will mistakely believe that Love gets past them and lose out on both of them, turning their sites to Dalton.

[WVRed]

My 2 cents.....if the draft played out as you forecast. Again, just my thoughts on the positioning, which I assume you are predicting what teams will do and not your personal preference.

- it will be a painful mistake for the teams that select Jeudy and/or Ruggs if Lamb is on the board.

- if SF can get Kinlaw @ #13, I think that will great value.

- Chiasson @ #16 and Delpit @ #26 will not be great picks....think both are being overrated based on being part of a great college defense.

- do not like Higgins in the 1st round after his times were reported.

- think Blalock @ #27 and Murray @ #28 would be steals.

- Yetur Gross-Matos in the 1st Round may get a GM fired (with a real but much smaller chance of getting the GM a bigger bonus)

All three WR picks I made were dead on. As was Kinlaw.

[adkindo]

All three WR picks I made were dead on. As was Kinlaw.

thought you had Higgins in 1st? My comments was not opposed to your predictions....it was my thoughts on the picks if they did play out that way.

[adkindo]

Saw an article recently that made a good point in regards to the Bucs trading for Gronk. Unless there is some fact that I am missing, why would the Bucs not wait until after the draft to negotiate that trade? It seems reasonable and even likely that they could have made the trade with a 2021 4th Round pick instead of giving up a 2020 4th Round pick....or even a 2021 3rd Round pick is likely less valuable to the Bucs than a 2020 4th Round pick if you consider their timeline to win with Brady and would be projected to be picking later in the rounds next season compared to this season. The Pats had little to know leverage. Gronk had most of the leverage, therefore the team Gronk wanted to play for likely had most of the leverage.

From the outside, it would seem like a slight mistake by the Bucs GM to not just wait a week.

[Stray]

I had kinda seen news here or there that the Alex Smith injury was bad, but I never paid much attention to it till I saw that E60. Holy crap man. Love the heart and dedication to try and come back to the NFL, but even if he never plays another down I'm in awe of what he's come back from.

[JaxRed]

If Hebert falls past #19 and the LVR I would be surprised, though the NEP could try to trade up from #23 to #16 with future picks to get Love or Hebert. But, I think MIA has been great at hiding their interest in Love (though we know NEP have spies everywhere), fools New England, and that NEP will mistakely believe that Love gets past them and lose out on both of them, turning their sites to Dalton.

Your takes on QB were totally off-base. Mia and LAC went exactly as everyone thought they would. Jax really was content to roll with Minshew as starter one more year, and if needed make a play for Trevor or Fields. And it looks as of NE is content to do the same with Stidham.

[adkindo]

I get we are all desperate for live sports, but a 3 hour televised schedule release seems a bit extreme. I guess I can't blame them since ESPN has been replaying the draft most late night / early mornings in recent weeks.

[Sea Ray]

The state of Michigan has fired the first shot in the battle with the NFL to have their season this Fall. The governor said that she'll not allow fans to "fill stadiums" this Fall

"I think you can talk to your kids and say these are things we know, these are the unknowns, but we’re making progress," Whitmer said. "There is reason to feel some confidence here, but we also have to (temper) their expectations and say, ‘Life is going to be different.’ We’re not going to be filling stadiums this fall."


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2020/05/13/gretchen-whitmer-hints-michigan-wont-be-filling-stadiums-fall/5182123002/

[adkindo]

The state of Michigan has fired the first shot in the battle with the NFL to have their season this Fall. The governor said that she'll not allow fans to "fill stadiums" this Fall



https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2020/05/13/gretchen-whitmer-hints-michigan-wont-be-filling-stadiums-fall/5182123002/

maybe she was just thinking of Detroit and focused on the Pistons and Tigers....it does not take Nostradamus to know those stadiums will not be full ;)

[WVRed]

The state of Michigan has fired the first shot in the battle with the NFL to have their season this Fall. The governor said that she'll not allow fans to "fill stadiums" this Fall



https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2020/05/13/gretchen-whitmer-hints-michigan-wont-be-filling-stadiums-fall/5182123002/

In other news, Whitmer has extended the state shutdown until Michigan beats Ohio State in football.

That’ll take awhile.

[adkindo]

In other news, Whitmer has extended the state shutdown until Michigan beats Ohio State in football.

That’ll take awhile.

Michigan is just killing that rivalry from a national perception....you have to both be good and both teams win to keep a rivalry relevant. I am not suggesting it will ever not be a big thing.....but until people really start to believe Michigan has a chance, it will lose national appeal. Once Michigan wins once or twice, it will be as big as ever again. So many rivalries from my youth just do not exist like WVU/Pitt, Nebraska/Oklahoma or Texas/Texas A&M because they are not played....or many more because the teams have not been good at the same time or one team has dominated.....USC/Notre Dame, Florida/Florida State, Miami/Florida State, etc. We still have Army/Navy and Harvard/Yale :)

[North]

NFL players accused of armed robbery at South Florida party

..."Baker, 22, and Dunbar, 27, were attending a cookout at a Miramar home Wednesday night when a fight broke out, and Baker pulled out a handgun, the warrant said. Baker, Dunbar and two other men began robbing other people at the party of thousands of dollars in cash, watches and other valuables, witnesses told investigators.

Police said the four men then fled the home in three vehicles: a Mercedes Benz, a Lamborghini and a BMW. Witnesses said the vehicles were parked in a way that would make it easy to leave quickly, leading detectives to believe the robbery was planned. No injuries were reported.

Baker and Dunbar are both from Miami.

Baker was one of three first-round draft picks the Giants had last season. He was the 30th pick overall out of Georgia. He played in all 16 games, starting 15. He had 61 tackles and no interceptions. He was the last of the three New York picks in that first round."...

https://local12.com/news/nation-world/nfl-players-accused-of-armed-robbery-at-south-florida-party-05-15-2020

[RedsBaron]

NFL players accused of armed robbery at South Florida party

..."Baker, 22, and Dunbar, 27, were attending a cookout at a Miramar home Wednesday night when a fight broke out, and Baker pulled out a handgun, the warrant said. Baker, Dunbar and two other men began robbing other people at the party of thousands of dollars in cash, watches and other valuables, witnesses told investigators.

Police said the four men then fled the home in three vehicles: a Mercedes Benz, a Lamborghini and a BMW. Witnesses said the vehicles were parked in a way that would make it easy to leave quickly, leading detectives to believe the robbery was planned. No injuries were reported.

Baker and Dunbar are both from Miami.

Baker was one of three first-round draft picks the Giants had last season. He was the 30th pick overall out of Georgia. He played in all 16 games, starting 15. He had 61 tackles and no interceptions. He was the last of the three New York picks in that first round."...

https://local12.com/news/nation-world/nfl-players-accused-of-armed-robbery-at-south-florida-party-05-15-2020
Wow! Accusations of course are not convictions and the judicial process must proceed, but if the accusations are true those athletes just threw away more money than they could have possibly stolen.

[Rdirtypirates]

NFL players accused of armed robbery at South Florida party

..."Baker, 22, and Dunbar, 27, were attending a cookout at a Miramar home Wednesday night when a fight broke out, and Baker pulled out a handgun, the warrant said. Baker, Dunbar and two other men began robbing other people at the party of thousands of dollars in cash, watches and other valuables, witnesses told investigators.

Police said the four men then fled the home in three vehicles: a Mercedes Benz, a Lamborghini and a BMW. Witnesses said the vehicles were parked in a way that would make it easy to leave quickly, leading detectives to believe the robbery was planned. No injuries were reported.

Baker and Dunbar are both from Miami.

Baker was one of three first-round draft picks the Giants had last season. He was the 30th pick overall out of Georgia. He played in all 16 games, starting 15. He had 61 tackles and no interceptions. He was the last of the three New York picks in that first round."...

https://local12.com/news/nation-world/nfl-players-accused-of-armed-robbery-at-south-florida-party-05-15-2020

Here is a little more speculative context .
https://youtu.be/hN_vqI5WG0w

[Sea Ray]

Oh brother. What do you folks think about affirmative action in the form of moving a team up in the draft if they hire a minority? Well that's exactly what they're considering right now:


Owners to vote on resolution to incentivize minority HC, GM hires

If a team hires a minority head coach, that team, in the draft preceding the coach's second season, would move up six spots from where it is slotted to pick in the third round. A team would jump 10 spots under the same scenario for hiring a person of color as its primary football executive, a position more commonly known as general manager.
If a team were to fill both positions with diverse candidates in the same year, that club could jump 16 spots -- six for the coach, 10 for the GM -- and potentially move from the top of the third round to the middle of the second round. Another incentive: a team's fourth-round pick would climb five spots in the draft preceding the coach's or GM's third year if he is still with the team. That is considered significant because Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph, two of the four African-American head coaches hired since 2017, were fired after one and two seasons, respectively.

https://www.nfl.com/news/owners-to-vote-on-resolution-to-incentivize-minority-hc-gm-hires

[EnglishRed]

Oh brother. What do you folks think about affirmative action in the form of moving a team up in the draft if they hire a minority? Well that's exactly what they're considering right now:


https://www.nfl.com/news/owners-to-vote-on-resolution-to-incentivize-minority-hc-gm-hires

Usually better to examine the reasons why so few minorities are becoming coaches given the number of minority players in the sport and try to add incentives to training and coaching courses to get more into it by merit than have a team whose GM or HC has a cloud of "he's only here for the draft pick" over their heads.

[adkindo]

Oh brother. What do you folks think about affirmative action in the form of moving a team up in the draft if they hire a minority? Well that's exactly what they're considering right now:


https://www.nfl.com/news/owners-to-vote-on-resolution-to-incentivize-minority-hc-gm-hires

I think this is just a terrible direction. I am all for incentives to hire more minority coaches, but it can't come in altering the competitive balance on the field of play. I would not even care if they passed a rule that the NFL would subsidize minority hires salary for a specific amount of time, but giving a team an on field advantage is crossing a line in my opinion. On the field, it is a zero sum game.....this results in giving one team a competitive advantage for hiring a minority candidate, which is punishing teams that hire a white candidate.

[adkindo]

Washington Redskins wide receiver Cody Latimer was arrested early Saturday morning after shots were reportedly fired inside an Douglas County, Colorado, apartment, according to the Douglas County Sheriff's Department. Latimer has posted a $25,000 bond, according to the sheriff's department.

feels like we need to get these guys back on the practice field ASAP....

[North]

feels like we need to get these guys back on the practice field ASAP....

Source?

[adkindo]

Buffalo Bills defensive lineman Ed Oliver was arrested Saturday night (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29185936/bills-lineman-ed-oliver-arrested-dwi-gun-charges) in his hometown of Houston on charges of driving while intoxicated and unlawfully carrying a weapon.

Oliver is currently being held at Montgomery County Jail after being pulled over on State Highway 242. Both charges are misdemeanors, according to the jail's website.

[North]

No Fans Allowed? What empty stadiums would cost NFL teams and how they're trying to solve the financial strain
The first in CBS Sports' three-part series on what a season without full stadiums would mean for the NFL
by Jonathan Jones May 12, 2020 at 9:01 am ET


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/no-fans-allowed-what-empty-stadiums-would-cost-nfl-teams-and-how-theyre-trying-to-solve-the-financial-strain/

[Kingspoint]

The state of Michigan has fired the first shot in the battle with the NFL to have their season this Fall. The governor said that she'll not allow fans to "fill stadiums" this Fall



https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2020/05/13/gretchen-whitmer-hints-michigan-wont-be-filling-stadiums-fall/5182123002/

Speaking of shots fired...young men with too much money and too much time on their hands...

Redskins WR Cody Latimer was taken into custody in Douglas County, Colorado on Saturday.
The Douglas County Sheriff's Office was called to the Zenith Meridian Apartments in Englewood, CO on a call of shots fired indoors. Latimer was taken into custody on charges of assault in the second degree, menacing, illegal discharge of a firearm, prohibited use of a weapon, and reckless endangerment. He's currently being held on a $25,000 bond. Given the charges, his place on Washington's roster is in doubt.

SOURCE: DC Sheriff on Twitter

Giants CB Deandre Baker turned himself in to Miramar PD Saturday morning.
On the other hand, there hasn’t been any decision yet on if or when Quinton Dunbar will turn himself in, per his attorney Michael Grieco. Baker's lawyer has urged the public not to rush to any judgment, but no other details have come to light after Baker allegedly "pointed a gun at [a witness]" and told a third assailant to shoot someone else. These are clearly accusations that could halt the careers of both Baker and Dunbar if declared accurate.

RELATED: Quinton Dunbar
SOURCE: Cameron Wolfe on Twitter

Seahawks CB Quinton Dunbar surrendered himself to Miramar, Florida police on Saturday.
Dunbar is alleged to have participated in a premeditated armed robbery earlier this week with Giants CB DeAndre Baker. It's a serious offense if they're found guilty, although Dunbar's lawyer claims his client was not involved. In addition to potential jail time, the two defensive backs can face team and league discipline. Baker has also turned himself in to police. This story will likely not end anytime soon. The next step is Sunday's court appearance.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Bills DT Ed Oliver was arrested on drunk driving charges overnight in Houston.
Oliver has also been charged with one count of unlawfully carrying a weapon. His arrest came after a fellow driver called 911. Oliver was allegedly found with a beer between his legs, while a search of his car turned up a pistol. These are the sorts of charges that will result in a 2-6 game suspension for the No. 9 overall pick of the 2019 draft. Oliver had an excellent rookie year.

SOURCE: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

[Kingspoint]

One of the top-4 Safeties in the NFL. Zimmer's Defenses always gaurantee at least 10 wins.

Vikings re-signed S Anthony Harris to a one-year, $11.441 million contract.
It’s the value of the franchise tag. The two sides will have a couple months to work out a long-term deal, something both parties seem to be interested in, as of the latest reports. Minnesota would certainly like to get Harris signed long-term in order to get his cap number down.

[adkindo]

Speaking of shots fired...young men with too much money and too much time on their hands...

not making excuses for them....but these guys are probably getting to the point where they are feeling a little lost. Many of these guys have been on fairly strict regimented schedules since they were in their early teens, and at this point their mind/body is a little lost being away from the field, the team, the group workouts, etc. etc. Then all that new free time while still probably immature in a life sense and a lot of money.....just not a great equation for some guys.

[North]

not making excuses for them....but these guys are probably getting to the point where they are feeling a little lost. Many of these guys have been on fairly strict regimented schedules since they were in their early teens, and at this point their mind/body is a little lost being away from the field, the team, the group workouts, etc. etc. Then all that new free time while still probably immature in a life sense and a lot of money.....just not a great equation for some guys.

Oliver had alcohol and a gun. The other 3 are alleged to have committed felonies. You don't go that route because of a couple of idle months, I should think.

[adkindo]

Oliver had alcohol and a gun.

to be fair, neither of those would be a problem....it was combining it with driving that was the issue which then resulted in the UCW charge.

[Sea Ray]

Oh brother. What do you folks think about affirmative action in the form of moving a team up in the draft if they hire a minority? Well that's exactly what they're considering right now:


https://www.nfl.com/news/owners-to-vote-on-resolution-to-incentivize-minority-hc-gm-hires

I see no one wanted to talk about this but it did not go through. I agree with this guy:


Credit to the NFL, they shot down the absurd draft pick bonus idea for hiring of minority GM & coaching candidates. But the idea was so dumb it should have never gone public at all.

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetemb ed%7Ctwterm%5E1262816086921220096&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2 Ftwitter.min.html%231262816086921220096

[Rdirtypirates]

feels like we need to get these guys back on the practice field ASAP....

After reading this Cody Latimer deserves a medal most would of done worse.

https://sports.yahoo.com/attorney-person-accused-sexually-assaulting-105728906.html

[adkindo]

After reading this Cody Latimer deserves a medal most would of done worse.

https://sports.yahoo.com/attorney-person-accused-sexually-assaulting-105728906.html

I still do not really understand the event and timeline....the guy he hit on the head was suppposedly a good friend and not the person that allegedly harmed his child.

[Rdirtypirates]

I still do not really understand the event and timeline....the guy he hit on the head was suppposedly a good friend and not the person that allegedly harmed his child.

I am assuming his friend was trying to stop him from making an even dumber mistake. A lot of unanswered questions, but it seems as if he was confronting a man he believes sexually assaulted his son. If this is the case, although not smart no logical person should think this is all thatwrong.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I just posted in the OSU thread, but the OSU AD was talking about possibly having 20-25k fans in the stadium this season. I wonder if NFL teams will look at something similar.

[Sea Ray]

I just posted in the OSU thread, but the OSU AD was talking about possibly having 20-25k fans in the stadium this season. I wonder if NFL teams will look at something similar.

I think it's being considered

[adkindo]

I just posted in the OSU thread, but the OSU AD was talking about possibly having 20-25k fans in the stadium this season. I wonder if NFL teams will look at something similar.

depends on layout of stadium...but most NFL stadiums do not have the max capacity as the Horseshoe, so I assume it would be less if they followed the same plan.

[BuckeyeRed27]

depends on layout of stadium...but most NFL stadiums do not have the max capacity as the Horseshoe, so I assume it would be less if they followed the same plan.

Right, most NFL stadiums are in the 60-80k range. Although OSU said they are modeling up to 45k fans which is almost 50% capacity.

I think the biggest challenge is getting people in and out of the stadium. Even at 25% capacity that's still a lot of people going in and out a few doors. Bathrooms also seem like a problem. On the plus side there is a good argument for fans to BYOB.

[WrongVerb]

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
NFL clubs today received updated playing rules change proposals.

Most interesting: an alternative to the onside kick that would allow a team a chance to maintain possession by going for it on 4th-and-15 from their 25-yard line. Sounds like support for the idea is growing.
10:13 AM · May 21, 2020·

[dubc47834]

At 4th and 15, I think teams try that fairly often. That's pretty obtainable I think.

[Slyder]

At 4th and 15, I think teams try that fairly often. That's pretty obtainable I think.

I think its being limited to 2 during a game.

[Spanky]

At 4th and 15, I think teams try that fairly often. That's pretty obtainable I think.

But if you don't get it the other team is pretty much in field goal range already.

[adkindo]

I think its being limited to 2 during a game.

that would be funny....get a high powered offense and a terrible defense and just never give them the ball. (I know that would be nearly impossible at that level, but if it was in high school and some noncon college football games, it would be very possible if not limit was in place)

[adkindo]

90% of the time, I am against these type of changes to the game, but I can see the possibility of this being entertaining....that is until it burns my team. I think the issue with the onside kick is the odds are so extremely low now with some of the changes in rules to protect players that it has became mostly a hopeless effort....akin to getting a rebound in basketball and having to heave it 85 feet with one hand because there is less than a second on the clock.

[KoryMac5]

Rumor has it Dak turned down 5 yr 175...I think he is going to regret that decision at some point.

[North]

Former QB Ryan Leaf arrested on domestic battery charge

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29212949/former-qb-ryan-leaf-arrested-domestic-battery-charge

[adkindo]

Former QB Ryan Leaf arrested on domestic battery charge

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29212949/former-qb-ryan-leaf-arrested-domestic-battery-charge

I will wait for the story to play out, but if true it kind of angers me. A ton of people have gave this guy a second chance to make a good living directly and indirectly related to football. He was very solid in his role analyzing and probably was a role model of many people looking to bounce back from mistakes....and many of them that made less mistake will not get the type of 2nd, 3rd and more chances Leaf has been given. Everyone is capable of screwing up....even getting an ugly charge, but he has to know his leash is much shorter with the public.

[North]

Some big names remain unsigned late in NFL's odd offseason

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/big-names-remain-unsigned-late-nfls-odd-offseason-70886428?cid=clicksource_4380645_7_heads_posts_hea dlines_hed

[IslandRed]

At 4th and 15, I think teams try that fairly often. That's pretty obtainable I think.

A little late catching up on this thread, but... I looked up a couple of studies that tracked conversions by distance in the NFL. 4th and 15 was a tick under 20%. Better odds than an onside kick to be sure, but still sufficiently long that I wouldn't expect coaches to choose the option unless they felt they must.

[adkindo]

A little late catching up on this thread, but... I looked up a couple of studies that tracked conversions by distance in the NFL. 4th and 15 was a tick under 20%. Better odds than an onside kick to be sure, but still sufficiently long that I wouldn't expect coaches to choose the option unless they felt they must.

I agree....even the most "modern" or "radical" NFL coaches are still very conservative in their overall approach to the game when it comes to things like field position or putting their defense in a poor position.

[Chip R]

At 4th and 15, I think teams try that fairly often. That's pretty obtainable I think.

I wonder how that would work if the defense committed a penalty. Obviously offsides would be 5 yards but would any other penalties that are automatic first downs be the same in this situation?

[kaldaniels]

I wonder how that would work if the defense committed a penalty. Obviously offsides would be 5 yards but would any other penalties that are automatic first downs be the same in this situation?

You would almost have to - otherwise why not commit blatant pass interference or (gulp) personal fouls to do anything to prevent the 15 yards being gained.

Which really is ok. On any other 4th down the offense can get a first down via defensive penalty.

[adkindo]

You would almost have to - otherwise why not commit blatant pass interference or (gulp) personal fouls to do anything to prevent the 15 yards being gained.

Which really is ok. On any other 4th down the offense can get a first down via defensive penalty.

I agree....similar to before halftime or end of the 4th quarter when less than 10 seconds are on the clock and a team is inside your 10sih yard line....often DB's are coached to grab, pull, trip, kick, etc....anything to ensure they do not complete a pass for a score. The downs mean little when the clock is a backstop....worse case scenario is they move a few yards closer (half the distance) and have to try again. I do assume more very close calls may not get called in the 4th and 15 situation....just seems like human nature.

[texasdave]

Some Texans and Cowboys have tested positive.

https://www.click2houston.com/sports/2020/06/15/some-houston-texans-players-test-positive-for-coronavirus-reports-say/

[adkindo]

Cam Newton to the Pats on a 1 year deal.....very interesting.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29380463/qb-cam-newton-reaches-1-year-deal-patriots-sources-say

[JaxRed]

Wonder who gets starter's reps between him and Stidham? One year prove-it deal. But if he proves it, Pats have no leverage. Probably means they won't get one of top QB's in draft.

[BobRoberts]

Wonder who gets starter's reps between him and Stidham? One year prove-it deal. But if he proves it, Pats have no leverage. Probably means they won't get one of top QB's in draft.

Cam will be the starter, until he pisses off Billacek. So I'm guessing Stidham will take over in game 2.

[Kingspoint]

Cam Newton to the Pats on a 1 year deal.....very interesting.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29380463/qb-cam-newton-reaches-1-year-deal-patriots-sources-say

Most overrated player in the last 20 years.

[RichRed]

Most overrated player in the last 20 years.

But also one of the most irrationally reviled players of the last 20 years.

[adkindo]

Wonder who gets starter's reps between him and Stidham? One year prove-it deal. But if he proves it, Pats have no leverage. Probably means they won't get one of top QB's in draft.

not sure....it would seem in the best interest of the Patriots to roll with Stidham, but I doubt Cam signs there unless he is assured he has a real chance to start.

[Kingspoint]

But also one of the most irrationally reviled players of the last 20 years.

There is not a single reason I can think of to not like the guy. Definitely irrational.

[Kingspoint]

not sure....it would seem in the best interest of the Patriots to roll with Stidham, but I doubt Cam signs there unless he is assured he has a real chance to start.

Can't see any player in uniform for all 16 games this season. The precautions for spreading COVID-19/20 won't be what they should be (this is the NFL we're talking about), but they will still be wide-ranging.

[JaxRed]

There is not a single reason I can think of to not like the guy. Definitely irrational.

He's not my favorite.....

I like people that handle defeat with class. He's been a jerk at times.

He dresses like a moron.

But would have no problem with him on my team (if he plays well and doesn't cost more than 25 mill).

[Kingspoint]

He's not my favorite.....

I like people that handle defeat with class. He's been a jerk at times.

He dresses like a moron.

But would have no problem with him on my team (if he plays well and doesn't cost more than 25 mill).
Being based in Jacksonville and myself in Portland you certainly have had more exposure of him than I have had.

Thought his MVP award was a joke. He wasn't even the most influential player on his team that season,...probably 3rd most influential. The first two were on Defense.

[adkindo]

He's not my favorite.....

I like people that handle defeat with class. He's been a jerk at times.

He dresses like a moron.

But would have no problem with him on my team (if he plays well and doesn't cost more than 25 mill).

I think some people feel a certain way about him going back to his recruitment fiasco.

[Tuff Nut]

Cam Newton to the Pats on a 1 year deal.....very interesting.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29380463/qb-cam-newton-reaches-1-year-deal-patriots-sources-say

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7fk49WsAYuUFk?format=jpg&name=small

[Kingspoint]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb7fk49WsAYuUFk?format=jpg&name=small

:laugh:

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Speaking to Profootballtalk, an anonymous GM said the league's communication on the COVID-19 pandemic has been "virtually nonexistent." “Most head coaches and General Managers get info from (PFT) or Twitter," the GM claimed. “I would love to be told what we can and can’t do, so we can plan and figure things out," were the words of a head coach. "When the league office sets boundaries, they just think you magically know what to do.” The coach believes the successful draft was the "worst thing that happened" because commissioner Roger Goodell "thinks he’ll be right on moving ahead toward the season.” There is some melodrama in these statements, but so far the league's approach to the pandemic has been one of blunt force. That might work in a practice-less offseason, but reality is rapidly setting in. Every other North American sports league has blundered into one disaster after another as they attempt to restart play. The NFL is sorely mistaken if it thinks it can avoid that same fate without a comprehensive plan.

SOURCE: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

[Rojo Rijo]

But also one of the most irrationally reviled players of the last 20 years.

The biggest issue with Cam as a NFL player (As a Florida fan i'll refrain from discussing his collegiate career) for a lot of fans is how he carries himself when doing well vs. not doing well. It's hard to consider someone a true leader when they're having a bad game and they go and pout on the sideline under a towel. I'm not saying you can't do that I'm just saying that's not something you typically want your leader/QB/face of the franchise doing. What makes that even worse is that when he is playing well he's not shy on letting everyone know it. Again, not saying you can't do that, just saying it's not a great look.

[adkindo]

(As a Florida fan i'll refrain from discussing his collegiate career)

at least the laptop did not hit anyone ;)