2021 Jacksonville Jaguars - Time for some "Urban" renewal

[Chip R]

Just been patient last year he could have been setting up shop right now at his dream job in South Bend.

Or if he had got fired a few weeks earlier. And in his defense, who figured a ND football coach would bolt for another coaching job in college? NFL, sure, but ND is supposed to be the pinnacle of coaching jobs. I know there's a problem with getting kids in academically but any recruit worth his salt wants to go there.


Color me skeptical. Urban has been a scummy dude for a while now. At least dating back to Utah/UF/OSU, etc. Check out the Vrabel handshake from earlier this year, they worked together in the past.

Yeah, there's a story about when Luke Fickell and Vrabel were assistants at OSU under Urban, Urban was giving Fickell crap about the defense allowing a lot of points/yards against Sparty and Vrabel - who is Fickell's BFF - grabbed Urban and pinned him against the wall.


But whenever there's avalanches of bad news it screams coordinated take down to me. I don't think it was a mystery who the Jags hired, they knew then as did everyone in football. They just wanted to be rid of him now and it happened. Could be they were blindsided by how little he actually cared, because he did not care about this job...it was all paychecks.

As much as people will say this was Urban's fault, the Jacksonville organization has to share in the blame too. Why do they keep picking the wrong guy? Did they do their due diligence in vetting Urban? Or did they just take the flashiest name available and hired him without looking into his background? Did they just hire him to sell tickets since he used to coach at Florida? Why did they give Urban carte blanche to semi-commute from Ohio? I think bringing in Tebow was a head scratcher but at least he cut him early. I think a huge red flag was how he treated his coaches and refusing to take responsibility for the poor record. Bear Bryant always took the blame (at least in public) when the team lost and always deflected the credit to the players when they won. Seems like Urban was the opposite.

Jacksonville could easily contend in their division. Houston stinks about as much as they do. Indy is no super team and Tennessee has their flaws. Pick someone up to tutor Lawrence, hire a head coach with some NFL experience. I know it's fashionable to hire the hot, young coordinator but that hasn't worked out for everyone. But they may have the same problem organizations like the Bengals and Lions have in that coaches who are any good may not want to come there.

[JaxRed]

I'm a little nervous about Urban (and I'm huge Buckeye fan), but there's little doubt he'd be the splashiest HC hire of the season.

So here we are 11 months later..... Pretty much everything that could go wrong with the Urban hiring did go wrong. I'm an Ohio State guy. Even went there for a while back in the Stone Ages. When Urban left and they transitioned to Day, they were really at a crossroads. Things like that can really send a program tumbling. But after Day was able to keep things running smoothly, I felt and told people that OSU was better off with Day. I felt we'd get better coaching, and less drama with Day.

It was with that background I felt nervous about the Urban hiring. I never felt that he was the greatest X's and O's guy. I thought he just overwhelmed people with his recruited talent. Still I was excited to hear how he's been studying the pro game supposedly for a couple years and was ready to do this thing. And we would have a clean sweep of management this time around.

Here's a litany of what went wrong:

I always wanted Trent Baalke gone. He was Asst GM. There's a lot of talk around town that Urban wanted a bunch of Yes men around him and that anyone that seemed to be to strong willed was sent packing. Baalke was willing to do Urban's bidding as GM and had lots of experience so he was in.


I hope he's past the bad character guys.

He immediately started hiring bad character guys. And I'm not even taking a stand on whether Doyle IS a bad character guy. He's perceived to be, and Meyer was willing to make him one of his first hires. In the end.... Meyer turned out to be the ultimate bad character guy.

He was supposedly going to hire a world class coaching staff and I'm pretty much convinced most of them were pretty much ....just guys.

NFL Free Agency. - We went into it, with the most cap space, we came out of it with the most cap space. We hired a lot of solid but not spectacular guys. I'm not too disappointed with that too much because you don't want to over pay for guys like we have have done in the past. And the NFLPA had just issued a statement (under Coughlin) saying don't sign with Jax. But we went in with pass catching TE as our biggest need, and didn't sign a pass catching TE.

NFL Draft - We had a ton of picks, and pretty much not much to show for it. Trevor was the ultimate no brainer. But when it came to pick #25, Urban had just lost the WR he really wanted. It was the ultimate trade down position. But we didn't trade down, we took a RB even though RB was our strongest plater (Robinson).

At spot 33 (first in 2nd round), Jax supposedly fielded many offers to trade, but again we passed on those offers, and drafted an injured but speedy CB in Tyson Campbell. After a terrible start, there have been some glimmers of hope from Campbell, but the journey is still out of him, instead of getting a rock solid starter.

With our second pick we took another injured player who hadn't played in 2020, but Urban had recruited. OT Walker Little out of Stanford. Except for a game when Cam Robinson was injured he basically hasn't played. Waste of a pick so far. Third round (first pick) we take the injured Andre Cisco at Safety. He hasn't played so far. Wasted pick. With our fourth rounder we take a guy Urban recruited out of HS, who was injured and didn't play in 2020. Hasn't played. Wasted pick.

We traded UP to take Jordan Smith a DE out of UAB. Smith had been kicked out of Florida for credit card felonies. (character guy) and was said to be a work in progress. Has not suited up for a single game. Wasted pick. 5th Round. we take an Ohio State TE. Has played very, very little. Wasted pick so far. 6th round - We take Jalen Camp, WR out of Georgia Tech. Cut before season and claimed. Wasted pick.

We again come out of draft with no pass catching TE.

When training camp starts, even though everyone knew Trevor would start, Urban gave half the snaps to a guy that would not be on the roster by time season started.

When season starts, the team looks terrible. Terribly coached. Things like getting a penalty for too many men on field, and then when the next snap happens they still have 12 men on the field. We lose 4 in a row and then Urban decides not to fly home with team (apparently almost unheard of) and got caught playing crotch grab with a PYT.

Team goes dysfunctional, Urban benches his start running back and lies about it. Calls the staff he hired losers, kicks his kicker and tells him he can do it whenever he wants. He apparently left at 5 PM daily and turned his phone off. Was not part of game planning meetings.

So he gets fired. Shad is claiming for cause so he won't have to be paid. Expected to fight that so more dirt liable to come out.

[JaxRed]

So where do we stand? We have 4 games left. New staff (Interim Bevell) was not given marching orders to see what guys like Little/Cisco can do, which is critical for next regime. I've got mixed emotions on whether I want team to win. I want to erase the stink but afraid it will cost us draft position.

Shad Khan has shown ZERO ability to make the right decisions about Head Coach and GM. I feel he bought a "story" with both Coughlin and Urban. And I fear he's about to fall for his next "story" with Leftwich "coming home". I don't want Bevell but I'll take him over Leftwich.

[JaxRed]

Jags lose to Texans. They didn't look majorly different. Defense played moderately well despite the inept offense again. Score was 30-16 but one of the TD's was on special plays. That one play alone gives me pause about the new regime. Lats year punter Logan Cooke kicked off because he had strong leg and almost always got a touchback. This year they let kicker Matthew Wright kick off even though he has a weak leg and almost never gets a touchback. The reason: Urban didn't like punters kicking.

Every coach on that staff should have been saying this s stupid. If I ever get a chance to change that I will. Instead, they let Urbans idiot policy stand, we get a shirt kickoff run back for a TD and a player out for the year. And THEN they change it.

But they good news is coupled with Detroit's big upset, we now are in line for #1 pick again. It's a shame there's no sure #1 QB this year, because we really need to trade down.

[JaxRed]

And Trevor has sure not played the role of future generational QB very well. Been a lot of inaccurate passes and open receivers that weren't seen.

[Kingspoint]

Maybe you can finally use the season thread title, "The Wrath of Khan".

[RiverRat13]

And Trevor has sure not played the role of future generational QB very well. Been a lot of inaccurate passes and open receivers that weren't seen.I may be in the minority, but I never thought his production at Clemson matched the obvious physical tools and status as the best prospect since Luck/Manning.

[Sea Ray]

So where do we stand? We have 4 games left. New staff (Interim Bevell) was not given marching orders to see what guys like Little/Cisco can do, which is critical for next regime. I've got mixed emotions on whether I want team to win. I want to erase the stink but afraid it will cost us draft position.

Shad Khan has shown ZERO ability to make the right decisions about Head Coach and GM. I feel he bought a "story" with both Coughlin and Urban. And I fear he's about to fall for his next "story" with Leftwich "coming home". I don't want Bevell but I'll take him over Leftwich.

What's the scoop on Urban's contract? Can Khan get out of paying him or did he (Khan) agree to a stupid contract?

[IslandRed]

What's the scoop on Urban's contract? Can Khan get out of paying him or did he (Khan) agree to a stupid contract?

If it follows the normal path, they'll settle quietly at some point. Khan doesn't want to pay the full buyout, Meyer doesn't want to wait years to collect, neither wants to pay years' worth of lawyer fees.

[jwdoc77]

He apparently left at 5 PM daily and turned his phone off.

This part is interesting to me. Its almost like he has no understanding of the differences between coaching in the league and college. Like his line of thinking was that the NFL would be a 9-5 because he didnt have to recruit. I think this is why it was doomed to fail before they started. My impression has always been you needed to be a great football mind first to have a chance in the NFL. Urban isnt that and hasnt been that for a long while. His strength was the program building and recruiting giving himself such a talent advantage that losing was extremely unlikely in most situations. OSU very rarely "out schemed" some one during his tenure. They lined up, did what they did. and 99% of the time the talent won. Its like he was surprised how good each team was in the NFL quote with the "everyweek is Alabama".

[Chip R]

This part is interesting to me. Its almost like he has no understanding of the differences between coaching in the league and college. Like his line of thinking was that the NFL would be a 9-5 because he didnt have to recruit. I think this is why it was doomed to fail before they started. My impression has always been you needed to be a great football mind first to have a chance in the NFL. Urban isnt that and hasnt been that for a long while. His strength was the program building and recruiting giving himself such a talent advantage that losing was extremely unlikely in most situations. OSU very rarely "out schemed" some one during his tenure. They lined up, did what they did. and 99% of the time the talent won. Its like he was surprised how good each team was in the NFL quote with the "everyweek is Alabama".

I suppose one may think that Urban's failure has soured NFL people on hiring college coaches but I wouldn't bet on it. I think if Dabo wanted to he could get a very good deal on some NFL team. Matt Campbell might too. There's always going to be the hot college coach out there and some NFL team is going to convince themselves that he's going to be their guy.

[Redsfaithful]

I may be in the minority, but I never thought his production at Clemson matched the obvious physical tools and status as the best prospect since Luck/Manning.

It's too early and the team is too dysfunctional but I'm starting to wonder if he's not a Terrelle Pryor type, which sounds like more of a slam than it is - Pryor was supremely physically gifted. When the Bengals played the Jags I was a lot more nervous when Trevor looked to run than I was when he threw. Early though.

[bucksfan2]

I may be in the minority, but I never thought his production at Clemson matched the obvious physical tools and status as the best prospect since Luck/Manning.

There was some talk, especially this year, that Dabo's Clemson offense was behind the times and had been bailed out by two generational QB's. Both Watson and Lawrence were great QB's who operated at a high level in college.

Lawrence has everything you want in a QB, big, strong arm, athletic, etc. I see why he was the #1 overall pick and teams were drooling over him.

I know this probably isn't fair (because I have no inside knowledge) but there were some reports prior to the draft that pretty much suggested that he didn't "love" football. You look at a guy like Peyton who was committed to football 24 hours a day. Guy was a complete gym rat when it came to the game. I just got the feeling that Lawrence isn't that type of guy.

He very well may go on and have a HOF career (he needs a better coach) but he also maybe the guy who hangs it up early and says "I just don't care anymore."

[jwdoc77]

I suppose one may think that Urban's failure has soured NFL people on hiring college coaches but I wouldn't bet on it. I think if Dabo wanted to he could get a very good deal on some NFL team. Matt Campbell might too. There's always going to be the hot college coach out there and some NFL team is going to convince themselves that he's going to be their guy.

I agree with you. And to some extent, I dont know that they would be wrong with the right type of hire. Just seems to me you need to look for the football mind instead of the grandiose personality that plays well in recruiting and that seems really hard to do. But given NIL in college, maybe it will be easier for a coach to make a transition in the future? It seems that it takes two different kinds of personalities to successful when you compare the two. What the NFL isnt is your 9-5 retirement gig like Urban seemed to think it would be. What time your not sppending on recruiting needs to be spent on scheming and game planning.

[WVRed]

What's the scoop on Urban's contract? Can Khan get out of paying him or did he (Khan) agree to a stupid contract?

I’d be curious to see what others think but I’m starting to believe Khan is a worse owner than Mike Brown.

I’m not just talking about picking Urban Meyer but saying that him kicking Josh Lambo had nothing to do with his firing then announcing that he was firing him for cause. It’s kinda contradicting.

I think Lawrence can be successful but they absolutely can’t botch the next search. I could see Leftwich being a possibility but also Dabo Swinney.

[Chip R]

I agree with you. And to some extent, I dont know that they would be wrong with the right type of hire. Just seems to me you need to look for the football mind instead of the grandiose personality that plays well in recruiting and that seems really hard to do. But given NIL in college, maybe it will be easier for a coach to make a transition in the future? It seems that it takes two different kinds of personalities to successful when you compare the two. What the NFL isnt is your 9-5 retirement gig like Urban seemed to think it would be. What time your not sppending on recruiting needs to be spent on scheming and game planning.

I'm not an OSU guy but I thought Urban was one of the great football minds of his day. Got Utah to a New Years bowl game, IIRC. Then his success at Florida with Tebow of all people as his QB. Did everything on the field that OSU people wanted: Won a natty, beat Michigan. In the hunt for a natty pretty much every year. Getting top recruits to play there. You would think someone like that was not going to be a 9-5 guy in the NFL. Maybe NFL Urban was the same guy as College Urban but it was just easier to cover up your behavior when you're having success at a big university. It's just weird what happened to him in JAX.

[Sea Ray]

When Urban was hired his critics raised the question: Can he handle losing?

The answer is a resounding no and even I'm amazed he couldn't handle one season in the NFL.

[jwdoc77]

I'm not an OSU guy but I thought Urban was one of the great football minds of his day. Got Utah to a New Years bowl game, IIRC. Then his success at Florida with Tebow of all people as his QB. Did everything on the field that OSU people wanted: Won a natty, beat Michigan. In the hunt for a natty pretty much every year. Getting top recruits to play there. You would think someone like that was not going to be a 9-5 guy in the NFL. Maybe NFL Urban was the same guy as College Urban but it was just easier to cover up your behavior when you're having success at a big university. It's just weird what happened to him in JAX.

Urban at BGSU, Utah and Florida…innovative offensive mind with the spread offense. Urban at OSU…program builder/CEO whose innovative offense grew stale and was no longer innovative in my opinion. It’s what lead to Ryan Day being hired to reinvigorate the offense. Especially late OSU Urban was not the same as Florida/Utah Urban in my mind.
You may be right, NFL Urban was the exact same as OSU college Urban…and that seems to be what the problem was.
I think he thought he could do what he was doing at OSU yet not have to recruit, meaning it was more a 9 to 5 for him than the college game.


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[WVRed]

Urban at BGSU, Utah and Florida…innovative offensive mind with the spread offense. Urban at OSU…program builder/CEO whose innovative offense grew stale and was no longer innovative in my opinion. It’s what lead to Ryan Day being hired to reinvigorate the offense. Especially late OSU Urban was not the same as Florida/Utah Urban in my mind.
You may be right, NFL Urban was the exact same as OSU college Urban…and that seems to be what the problem was.
I think he thought he could do what he was doing at OSU yet not have to recruit, meaning it was more a 9 to 5 for him than the college game.


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Kinda reminds me of this guy:

https://youtu.be/uRik9erWgQ8

[jwdoc77]

Kinda reminds me of this guy:

https://youtu.be/uRik9erWgQ8

Ha...if he is following Patino's tract that means hes next up to take the Michigan job!

[WVRed]

Ha...if he is following Patino's tract that means hes next up to take the Michigan job!

Never thought of that.

But Pitino, like Belien couldn’t make the transition from college to the pros. Some can do it (Billy Donovan, Jimmy Johnson), some can’t.

In the past college coaches had control and could even job hop while the players were stuck at whatever school they attended. That’s why so many old guard coaches are getting out of it and why you see so much resentment from people like Urban Meyer, Roy Williams, and Dabo Swinney toward the current state of college athletics.

[Rojo Rijo]

Trevor will be fine. The learning curve for a rookie QB in the NFL is steep, especially when one is handed the job from day one and on a bad team. A guy like Mac Jones, while not getting nearly the money Lawrence did, has landed in a much more stable environment that has been able to really put him in good positions. Having one of the best defenses in the NFL helps too.

This team needs a lot of talent. Plain and simple. Its time to overpay some FAs. Its dangerous ground but they dont have much of a choice. They arent good enough to hit on 80+% of their picks over the next two years (based on recent history) and thats what would be needed to turn things around without spending a lot on some big FAs.

I have no idea who the next HC will be but thankfully it's an attractive job currently.

Now that Urban is out I think the spotlight for worst HC has shifted to Matt Rhule.

[WVRed]

Trevor will be fine. The learning curve for a rookie QB in the NFL is steep, especially when one is handed the job from day one and on a bad team. A guy like Mac Jones, while not getting nearly the money Lawrence did, has landed in a much more stable environment that has been able to really put him in good positions. Having one of the best defenses in the NFL helps too.

This team needs a lot of talent. Plain and simple. Its time to overpay some FAs. Its dangerous ground but they dont have much of a choice. They arent good enough to hit on 80+% of their picks over the next two years (based on recent history) and thats what would be needed to turn things around without spending a lot on some big FAs.

I have no idea who the next HC will be but thankfully it's an attractive job currently.

Now that Urban is out I think the spotlight for worst HC has shifted to Matt Rhule.

As it stands right now the Jaguars would have the no 1 pick again if the season ended today.

Obviously they aren’t taking a QB so…

Aidan Hutchinson and Kyvon Thibodeaux would likely be the top two picks and between them and Josh Allen would settle pass rush for awhile.

If you want to protect Trevor Lawrence then Evan Neal would make sense as well.

That said if I were Jacksonville I would trade out. Detroit, the Giants, Bears, and Jets have multiple picks and this draft class doesn’t look all that too heavy IMO.

[Rojo Rijo]

As it stands right now the Jaguars would have the no 1 pick again if the season ended today.

Obviously they aren’t taking a QB so…

Aidan Hutchinson and Kyvon Thibodeaux would likely be the top two picks and between them and Josh Allen would settle pass rush for awhile.

If you want to protect Trevor Lawrence then Evan Neal would make sense as well.

That said if I were Jacksonville I would trade out. Detroit, the Giants, Bears, and Jets have multiple picks and this draft class doesn’t look all that too heavy IMO.

This is where I am currently but who knows if there will be a prospect that separates themselves as the clear #1 overall prior to the draft.

[WVRed]

This is where I am currently but who knows if there will be a prospect that separates themselves as the clear #1 overall prior to the draft.

If that happens it will be Aiden Hutchinson but I think Jacksonville needs and can get value later in the draft.

[Rojo Rijo]

Im more concerned with FA than the draft. We need a couple of big fish, starting with giving Davante Adams whatever it would take.

With the draft, i'd love to see a trade down and grab Jameson Williams.

[JaxRed]

Well the Jags all but secured the #1 pick with a bumbling stumbling loss to the Jets. Things were looking up. #1 pick. A ton of cap space, Urban fired, Doug Pederson scheduled to come for an interview......

And then Shad Khan, who has blown every hiring decision he's ever made (GM - Smith, Caldwell, Baalke HC - Mularkey, Bradley, Marrone, Meyers VP - Coughlin) scuttles the rebuild by reportedly retaining Baalke.

Now, I expect Pederson who specifically said he could afford to be choosy, will choose not to come to Jacksonville. Forget any "hot" guys like Kellen Moore or McDaniels. We'll get a coach who realistically has no other option at HC. Like our interim Bevell, or Caldwell who turns 67 next month, or Leftwich who got 0 interviews with 7 HC openings last year.)

There is no joy in Mudville.

[adkindo]

Well the Jags all but secured the #1 pick with a bumbling stumbling loss to the Jets. Things were looking up. #1 pick. A ton of cap space, Urban fired, Doug Pederson scheduled to come for an interview......

And then Shad Khan, who has blown every hiring decision he's ever made (GM - Smith, Caldwell, Baalke HC - Mularkey, Bradley, Marrone, Meyers VP - Coughlin) scuttles the rebuild by reportedly retaining Baalke.

Now, I expect Pederson who specifically said he could afford to be choosy, will choose not to come to Jacksonville. Forget any "hot" guys like Kellen Moore or McDaniels. We'll get a coach who realistically has no other option at HC. Like our interim Bevell, or Caldwell who turns 67 next month, or Leftwich who got 0 interviews with 7 HC openings last year.)

There is no joy in Mudville.

I think Leftwich would be a real gamble. He was an average OC when he had similar talent on offense as the defenses he was going against.....and been an above average OC when he has had more talent that the defenses he was coaching against. Not sure what can really be taken from that?

[bucksfan2]

Well the Jags all but secured the #1 pick with a bumbling stumbling loss to the Jets. Things were looking up. #1 pick. A ton of cap space, Urban fired, Doug Pederson scheduled to come for an interview......

And then Shad Khan, who has blown every hiring decision he's ever made (GM - Smith, Caldwell, Baalke HC - Mularkey, Bradley, Marrone, Meyers VP - Coughlin) scuttles the rebuild by reportedly retaining Baalke.

Now, I expect Pederson who specifically said he could afford to be choosy, will choose not to come to Jacksonville. Forget any "hot" guys like Kellen Moore or McDaniels. We'll get a coach who realistically has no other option at HC. Like our interim Bevell, or Caldwell who turns 67 next month, or Leftwich who got 0 interviews with 7 HC openings last year.)

There is no joy in Mudville.

Jacksonville has some juice. They have Lawrence, have the #1 overall pick (in a year in which they don't need a QB), and should be able to clean up in the draft.

I think Jax is currently a better job than a lot of teams. Especially if you believe in Lawrence.

[RedEye]

Especially if you believe in Lawrence.

Jury is definitely out. I know he's had the chips stacked against him, but a "generational talent" really should be flashing more at this point. Neither Herbert or Burrow had perfect teams around them last year and they both flashed.

[WVRed]

Jacksonville has some juice. They have Lawrence, have the #1 overall pick (in a year in which they don't need a QB), and should be able to clean up in the draft.

I think Jax is currently a better job than a lot of teams. Especially if you believe in Lawrence.

The biggest problem is an owner who can’t seem to get out of his own way. If you consider the Browns problems under the Haslams and the Brown family with the Bengals, it can be a steep hill to overcome.

Peyton Manning did it with the Irsays who practically ruined Andrew Luck.

[JaxRed]

Jags Twitter is in revolt over the Baalke news. Everyone changing their avatar to a clown to show their dislike. People posting pictures of their emails to Jags cancelling season tickets.

[KoryMac5]

Sounds like they are bringing in quite a few guys to interview...Moore, Hackett, Quinn, etc...Jax is an appealing job to a young coach with Lawrence and the #1 pick.

[oregonred]

Jacksonville is a very appealing job with Lawrence and the cap + draft capital. The AFC South has no young, stud QB's as competition. Coming to coach into a division against Tannehill, Wentz and Davis. Jax could clean up in that division the next few years with the right coach and program.

Florida tax free FA recruiting. And you get to play good weather games virtually all year long.

Remember they lost Etienne all year and Chark most of the year too

[Sea Ray]

Jags Twitter is in revolt over the Baalke news. Everyone changing their avatar to a clown to show their dislike. People posting pictures of their emails to Jags cancelling season tickets.

Us Bengal fans get it. We've been in revolt for 30 yrs when we knew that Mike Brown would continue as GM

[JaxRed]

No Dan Quinn interview. He declined the invite to interview. There might be more. I can't imagine Kellen Moore would take the job with Baalke here. A former Jag RB who is now on the Buffalo practice squad, refused an upgrade to Jags active squad (which I think means a minimum of 3 games) and decided he rather be on Buffalo practice squad.

[KoryMac5]

No Dan Quinn interview. He declined the invite to interview. There might be more. I can't imagine Kellen Moore would take the job with Baalke here. A former Jag RB who is now on the Buffalo practice squad, refused an upgrade to Jags active squad (which I think means a minimum of 3 games) and decided he rather be on Buffalo practice squad.

Quinn and Bradley were on the same staff so Gus may have given his honest opinion of the franchise...or Quinn might be happy just being a DC.

Hackett was there as well and did not turn down the interview...I could see him doing well there. Rodgers speaks highly of him.

I am really unsure what way the Jags go...I would think they would want the young offensive mind so he can be Jax's QB Whisperer

[UKFlounder]

Saw this on Twitter from a Dustin Rothbsrt


Sources in the Jacksonville #Jaguars executive office have informed me that Owner Shahid Kahn plans to release GM Trent Baalke following the 2021 regular season. I’m told Baalke is viewed internally as a deterrent for coaches to want to come to Jacksonville. #DUUUVAL

[JaxRed]

Turns out both Quinn and Hackett supposedly want to interview after season's end. Could also be a stalling technique to see if Baalke is gone. Another Twitter guy with sources (Dilla) says looking like Baalke might be gone. Supposedly a lot of people are planning to show up with clown noses etc. for the last game if Baalke still around. Khan could avoid that by canning Baalke tomorrow.

In the meantime, Jags get destroyed by New England in NE. Hard to tell how much was a dispirited team and how much was Covid. We had a ton of new replacements out there. Speaking of NE there has been no word of a possible McDaniel interview request.

I do think it's crazy that apparently Kellen Moore has agreed to an interview.

Jags have clinched at least the #2 pick in 2022 Draft. Either an expected lost to Colts or a Detroit win over a Green Bay team that has clinched #1 overall and is likely to rest an ailing Aaron Rodgers gives them #1.

[Rojo Rijo]

Baalke has to go if Kahn legitimately wants this team to improve.

FA and the draft were both disastrous for the team last year, we can’t have that again.

[WVRed]

Turns out both Quinn and Hackett supposedly want to interview after season's end. Could also be a stalling technique to see if Baalke is gone. Another Twitter guy with sources (Dilla) says looking like Baalke might be gone. Supposedly a lot of people are planning to show up with clown noses etc. for the last game if Baalke still around. Khan could avoid that by canning Baalke tomorrow.

In the meantime, Jags get destroyed by New England in NE. Hard to tell how much was a dispirited team and how much was Covid. We had a ton of new replacements out there. Speaking of NE there has been no word of a possible McDaniel interview request.

I do think it's crazy that apparently Kellen Moore has agreed to an interview.

Jags have clinched at least the #2 pick in 2022 Draft. Either an expected lost to Colts or a Detroit win over a Green Bay team that has clinched #1 overall and is likely to rest an ailing Aaron Rodgers gives them #1.

https://sports.yahoo.com/clowns-descend-on-jaguars-finale-call-for-trent-baalkes-job-191451901.html

Funny thing is Jags are winning.

[oregonred]

Jags can own this QB poor division with a good GM and coach

[MWM]

Jags can own this QB poor division with a good GM and coach

Which doesn’t happen with a bad owner. I think Shad Khan may be the worst owner in the nfl. I always thought it was Mike Brown, but Khan is worse. He’s a bad soccer club owner as well. Not sure he really cares that much.

[WVRed]

Which doesn’t happen with a bad owner. I think Shad Khan may be the worst owner in the nfl. I always thought it was Mike Brown, but Khan is worse. He’s a bad soccer club owner as well. Not sure he really cares that much.

I disagree.

At one point I would have agreed but I can give one exception to the rule and another possible one:

The Irsays who might as well have been the Brown family before Peyton arrived. Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl despite having a team that ultimately collapsed when he started having issues with his neck.

It’s too early but Joe Burrow has the same potential. Horrible owner in Mike Brown but a QB who has put the team on his back and has the Bengals well ahead of schedule.

If you want to go outside of football, look at LeBron James and Dan Gilbert in Cleveland. A transcendent talent can overcompensate for a crappy owner, the key is whether Trevor Lawrence is that talent or not.

[JaxRed]

Well we close out the 2021 season on a rare high note. Expected to be rolled by Indianapolis who had a "win and in" scenario, it instead was the Jaguars who looked like the playoff team. Trvor Lawrence who ahd been very shaky recently looked great despite numerous drops ( a constant problem ). Defense played great.

And then Detroit beat a Rodgers-less Packers to secure the #1 draft spot for Jags,

[kaldaniels]

Indy not winning at Jax for 7-8 years is probably the most surprising stat of the season for me. (And that was before today’s result)

[Chip R]

I disagree.

At one point I would have agreed but I can give one exception to the rule and another possible one:

The Irsays who might as well have been the Brown family before Peyton arrived. Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl despite having a team that ultimately collapsed when he started having issues with his neck.

It’s too early but Joe Burrow has the same potential. Horrible owner in Mike Brown but a QB who has put the team on his back and has the Bengals well ahead of schedule.

If you want to go outside of football, look at LeBron James and Dan Gilbert in Cleveland. A transcendent talent can overcompensate for a crappy owner, the key is whether Trevor Lawrence is that talent or not.

Great points. Who would you categorize as a good owner though?