The 2023 QB Carousel Thread

[JaxRed]

I start the 2023 thread before the 2022 season ends. Because it seems to me that some of the wheels are already turning. Things looming over the carousel this year: Unlike last year this is considered a pretty good QB year for the draft, as is the one coming in 2024.

Derek Carr has a 40 million dollar option that has to be decided on NLT 3 days after the Super Bowl. Brady is a Free Agent yet again. And Aaron Rogers is contemplating the Universe yet again.

There seems to be an abnormal amount of free agent QB's this year: Brady, Mayfield, Darnold, Garapalo, Bridgewater, Daniel Jones, Keenum, Brissett, Rudolph, Minshew, Geno Smith, Dalton, Mike White, Lamar Jackson, Heinicke, Lock, Stidham, Rush. And more.

I posted in the thread last year a quote from an Athletic article that stated "Don’t use significant resources for competency at QB". Teams would do well to keep that in mind, because I feel at least on team is going to violate that rule this year. And teams need to draw the line somewhere on QB salaries. The Packers last year signed a 3 year 150 million dollar contract on a 39 year old QB. And then had a losing record. And if he retires they have a 100 million dollar dead cap. 3 or 4 teams simply made stupid QB decisions that are going to set their teams back for 5 years or more.

Run thru divisions -

AFC East
Buffalo - 100% set with Allen

Patriots - Mac Jones had just an ok year. His numbers were down from his rookie year. His backup had better numbers. His team finished 8-9. Could the Pats make a move this year? Maybe. Unless he has a big bounce-back year in 2023, you figure something will change in 2024.

Dolphins - Tua had a roller coaster year. Played really well for a while, then cooled off, and then started getting hurt/concussed. The concussions are at least a little concerning that they might be (eventually) career ending. If ever a team needed a really good backup, Miami would seem to be that team. Last years backup Bridgewater is a FA.

Jets - At least for now Zach Wilson has bust written all over him. White was better but he is a FA also. Jets claim Wilson is still in their long term plans but no one thinks he will be the starter in 2023. Jets have a pretty solid nucleus, so you hear speculation of guys like Carr.

AFC South
Titans - Titans are one of those teams who have overpaid for competency. Tannehill is a decent game manager, but has a 27 million dollar salary and a 37 million dollar cap hit. They could save 9 million by releasing him (they are over the cap), but Malik Willis looked over-matched and was benched for Josh Dobbs in the last 2 crucial games. Tannehill is a Free agent after 2023. What Titans should NOT do is extend him on 2-3 year deal at 25 mill per year to lower cap hit in 2023. They have pick #11 in this years draft. Picking up Herndon Hooker (maybe not at #11) would make a LOT of sense.

Colts - Colts keep trying to patch the leak they sprung with Luck retirement with retreads and it has not worked. First Rivers. Last year Wentz. This year Ryan. Ryan will be released. Foles might be too. Ehlinger looked over-matched. Colts almost certainly seem to either sign a moderately in-demand FA or draft a QB of the future or both. Carr is also mentioned here. A team would have to be insane to trade for Carr before Vegas releases him. However, Jim Irsay directs all the QB decisions and he might be the least stable NFL owner.

Jags - Jags are in the sweet spot, with Lawrence on a rookie deal. They signed a QB out of CFL who might replace Beathard as a the backup.

Texans - Texans made out like a bandit on DeShaun Watson, getting 3 first rounders for him. Now they have 2nd overall pick and can get either Stroud or Young. My guess is Mills stays as backup/bridge.

AFC North
Bengals - 100% set with Burrow. They've been in the sweet spot with an elite QB on rookie deal. They are going to have to sign him soon. Is he going to demand a contract so high it hurts how good a team they can have?

Ravens - Lamar Jackson is a Free Agent. Baltimore says they are 200% bringing him back. Lamar acts as his own agent and wants a fully guaranteed deal like DeSean Watson. Frankly this has all the signs of a future bad deal coming down the pike. Oft injured QB who's come off his career highs, the team guaranteeing he'll come back. I think they'd be better off with a franchise tag and a trade. Backups didn't look good this year, so if they move on they need more.

Steelers - Draftee Pickett has secured #1 for now with Trubisky a capable backup. As long as Pickett continues to improve Steelers are set for a while.

Browns - The competition for worst QB move of 2022 is stiff but the leader after 1 year is probably Cleveland. They pay 3 first rounders (plus a few other picks) and then give him a 5 year fully guaranteed 230 million dollar deal. They pay him nothing in 2022, so his cap hit for the next 4 years is 55 mill per year, his dead cap number this year is over 200 mill. And then he came in and kinda stunk after 2 year layoff. 58% passing completion. 7/5 TD to Int. If he doesn't step it up big time, the next 4 years in Cleveland are going to be ugly.

AFC West
Chiefs - 100% set

Chargers - 100% set. Almost extension time.

Raiders - Team set up so new management could cut Carr loose after 1 season and that's exactly what they did. Sent him home with 2 games to go and looked at Stidham. At the time they cut him, Carr led the league in interceptions. Taking the last 2 games off gave that dubious distinction to Prescott/Mills (it's a Texas thing). So Raiders have no QB for 2023. Carr has to be traded or released 3 days after the Superbowl, or 40 million in guarantees kicks in. Carr has a no trade clause. All of that makes it almost crazy to trade for Carr. Is anyone dumb enough? As they say it only takes one team. Vegas is where a lot of the Brady rumors simmer. It would reunite him with his OC from Patriots.

Broncos - The other prime contender for stupidest QB move of 2022. Traded 2 first and 2 seconds and some players to Seattle for Russell Wilson who had been declining. And then before ever seeing how he looked signed him to a 5 year $242 million deal. Only to watch him pretty much stink all year. Helped get the HC fired. Now they are stuck with him for at least 3 more years, and to get rid of him in 4th will be painful ($31M dead cap)

NFC East -
Dallas - All of sudden that Prescott contract is looking a little dodgy. Dallas can't get far in the playoffs every year. He led the NFL in interceptions despite missing 5 games. And then threw 2 in a losing effort in the playoffs. He has at least 2 more very expensive (over $50m cap hit) years left on his deal. The 3rd year he could be cut with $21M dead cap. Backup Cooper Rush is a FA.

Philly - Jalen Hurts had a great year and solidified himself as one of better QB's in the game. Getting close to contract time. Backup Minshew is a FA/

Washington - Washington is the latest team to try and fail with Wentz. Taylor Heinecke is FA. Wentz is due $26 million but can be released with ZERO cap hit. I just can't figure out what the Commanders might do. /s Sam Howell got one game. Washington needs a starter and looks to tap into one of the Free Agents.

Giants - Giants did not pick up Daniel Jones 5th year option a year ago so he is a FA. He performed much better this yar and the Giants say they want him back. This is the team that is going to overpay for average. Sign him for 3 or 4 years at 10-12 million. If he doesn't want that..... move on. Instead they will give the guy 25 million a year for 3 years.

NFC South
Tampa - Almost everyone thinks Brady is moving on. If he does he leaves behind a $35 mill dead cap hit. And an organization who fired a lot of their staff but kept the HC. Gabbert is a FA, Trask is under contract and got almost no time. They might also seem to be a spot for a free agent.

New Orleans - Dalton is a FA. Even at the end when he was a lame duck they wouldn't play Winston who has one more year. He only saves 4 million if cut so they probably keep him. Saints have worst cap situation in the league. They kicked the can down the road last year, making this year even worse. Honestly I look at their cap situation and wonder how they can get out of it. They are going to struggle with the cap for years. I would play Winston/Hill and draft some lottery ticket and see if you get lucky. To me they simply can't afford to get a FA.

Carolina - Played musical chairs all year, before releasing Mayfield and handing the reins to bearded Darold who was better than clean-shaven Darnold. Matt Corrall missed the entire season. Still most people think Carolina is a candidate for a Free Agent or draftee.

Atlanta - Gave Mariota a try at QB and decide later in the season he wasn't the guy. Mariota decides he is injured and leaves the team. 2022 Draftee Ridder has 4 game stint and looks ok. My guess is they give Ridder another year to see if he can become a solid QB. They might want to sign a solid backup.

NFC North
Packers - Aaron Rogers once again deciding what to do. Packers foolishly gave him big deal which leaves them with salary issue if he leaves. I say he comes back. Supposedly there is already something in his contract which moves money to future years if he comes back. (makes future years worse). Adam Schefter reports that the Packers will only trade Rodgers to an AFC team and would want 2 First round picks. If you can trade 39 year old Rodgers for 2 first rounders, you should do it no matter which conference it is. They also have to make a decision on Jordan Love, a guy who they have completely wasted. If they pick up his 5th year option for 2024 it will be for over 20 million and he will be a free agent. He's cheap in 2023. If you keep Rodgers don't pick up the option. If you trade Rodgers, MAYBE pick up the option. If you actually think he's good 20 million in 2024 isn't bad.

Vikings - Cousins will be the man again in 2023. They actually could move on in 2024 with only a $12mill dead cap. Unless they re-work his deal again to solve their cap issues. They should try to avoid that. He'll be 36 in 2024.

Bears - Bears are in an interesting spot. They backed into the #1 draft pick. They have a TON of money to spend. #1 in cap space. They have a GM and HC who did not draft Fields. Fields has used 2 of his cheap years. Fields has been a spectacular runner (over 1,000 yards) but just an ok passer. 60% with 17/11 TD/INT ratio. They can have any QB they want, and reset the cheap years and trade Fields for a haul. Or they can trade the pick for a haul. Or they can take any other non-QB they want. I assume the safe choice is trade the pick and stick with Fields. But I'd be tempted to trade Fields if they love a QB. They one thing I would NOT do is just stay at #1 and take best player.

Lions - Lions really turned things around with Goff this year. The deal to acquire him for Stafford has worked out very well for Detroit. He's 6 years younger. He's healthy whereas Stafford missed half of 2022 with back injury. He costs 30 mill per year. Stafford will be 20 mill this year but 50 mill the next 2 years. Stafford was very mediocre (10/8 TD/Int ratio) when he did play, and Goff had a 65% completion rate and 29/7 ratio. They used the first #1 pick to get Jameson Williams this year and now have the #6 overall pick in 2023 from the trade. There were people talking about Lions drafting a QB of the future. I think that's crazy. I stick with Goff.

NFC West

Rams - Rams QB situation (and everything else) got ugly quickly. Rams fresh off a SB win extend 34 year old Stafford for 4 years and 160 million. Stafford went from a Super Bowl and a 41/17 TD/Int ratio, to a 10/8 ratio, missing half the season with a back injury some people were considering possibly career-ending. He's coming back, and Rams have to make a decision to pick up his 2024 and 2025 options. Apparently they will. It costs the Rams 20 million more to cut him than keep him. His cap hit in 2023 is only 20 million but the next 2 years it will be 50 million each. Right now Rams are 30 and 31st in cap space in 2024/2025. Only the Saints are worse. Rams are unsettled at backup.

49's - It was a wild ride in 2022 for 49's. They hung onto Garapolo waiting for an injury to happen for some team. Then the injury happened to SF and Trey Lance in game 2, and Garapolo took over and played great. Till he gets hurt and Rams have to play Mr. Irrelevant (Brock Purdy). All Purdy has done is win every game he's ever played in. (next 2 games may be harder !). So SF goes into 2023 with Purdy and Lance both cheap. Great situation.

Seattle - Seattle trades Russell Wilson for a Kings Ransom, and then is a better team without him. Geno Smith has a WAY better season than anyone expects. He's a FA. And Seattle doesn't have much else at QB. Geno was very cheap in 2022 at 3.5 million. Now Seattle has to decide how much to pay for a one hit wonder. Will he have 4 or 5 more good years and turn out a Greatest Hits album? Or will he remain a blip on the radar who got signed to an expensive deal. It would have behooved Seattle to sign him last year with some cheap option years in case he succeeded.

Cards - Another bad set of decisions from Cards. They give in to blackmail from Kyler Murray who was already under contract for 2022 and 2023 but wanted a longer term deal immediately,, and started pouting on social media. They give him the deal despite rumors of him not being the best clubhouse influence, and feel compelled to give him a bonus if he actually studied the playbook. (a condition later removed after a hue/cry). He's just fair. The team is 3-7 in games he starts and then he tears his ACL. The GM and HC that drafted him and resigned him are both fired after the season (GM had health issues). He has 3 expensive years coming from 2023-2025. He'll miss the start of 2023. And they have bad backups.

[Rojo Rijo]

Starting QB Predictions - 2023

Locks:

Locks because of performance:
Kansas City - Patrick Mahomes - MVP, SB winner, SB MVP, yards leader, TD leader, he's won everything already. Only 27
Cincinnati - Joe Burrow - Dripping with talent, surrounded by talent, all that's missing is the accolades and trophies.
Buffalo - Josh Allen - Disappointing finishes for his Bills 3x now but he's still a monster dual threat QB.
Philadelphia - Jalen Hurts - From doubted to revered. Top notch dual threat QB on NFLs most talented roster.
Jacksonville - Trevor Lawrence - Took the big step I expected. He's only going to get better in 2023.
Los Angeles - Justin Herbert - Arm talent = freak level. Tough being in Mahomes divison but he's still one of the best right now
Detroit - Jared Goff - Can't see why Detroit would make a change after he turned in a top 5 QBR season.

Lock because of $ but also potential:
Cleveland - Deshaun Watson - $220 million dead cap - Gargantuan number. He's still got potential but didnt look good.
Los Angeles - Matthew Stafford - $49.5 million dead cap - Team took a massive step back after winning SB
Arizona - Kyler Murray - $97.5 million dead cap - Team headed in wrong direction

Locks because $:
Denver - Russell Wilson - $107 million dead cap - Denver in a bad place if this is who he is moving forward.
Dallas - Dak Prescott - $89 million dead cap - Can't help but think his deal will get in their way and they're so close.
Minnesota - Kirk Cousins - $48.75 million dead cap - Not sure when they'll figure it out but it wont happen with him.
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Chance:

Near lock but there is a small chance:
Baltimore - Lamar Jackson - Contract situation but hard to imagine they let him leave.
Chicago - Justin Fields - Because Chicago has the #1 overall pick. Still think he showed enough to prevent a change.
Miami - Tua Tagovailoa - Combination of injury concerns and chance Miami would look to upgrade but he was good.
Tennessee - Ryan Tannehill - $18 million dead cap and the teams offense has stumbled. Titans window closing.

I think he'll be back but it didnt look like it recently:
New York - Daniel Jones - Turned it around and looked solid, well at least until that last game. Don't think they'll do better.

Where I think the rookies end up:
Houston - Bryce Young - #1 QB taken. Combination of arm and legs too much potential to pass up.
Indianapolis - CJ Stroud - #2 QB taken, though i'd take him over Young.
Carolina - Will Levis - #3 QB taken, not sure if they'll be able to get him but the fit is there.

Where I think the old timers land plus who takes their spots on their current teams:
New York - Tom Brady - LV w/JMcD a chance but this team has the pieces and it's a move that only a legend could pull off.
Las Vegas - Aaron Rodgers - Don't see him as a NYC guy, he's too eccentric and Vegas fits his West coast vibe. +Adams.
Tampa Bay - Derek Carr - He'll get a gig somewhere - Here, WAS, or NYJ. I think he falls to TB due to musical chairs.
Green Bay - Jordan Love - If Rodgers leaves I think they'll have to give him a shot, otherwise it was all for nothing.

The Rest
New England - Mac Jones - They could move on but not sure they'll have many better options available to them.
Pittsburgh - Kenny Pickett - Wasnt great but showed promise in year 1, he'll get at least another to prove himself.
San Fransisco - Brock Purdy - On the verge of a SB appearance. He gets them there or wins it they have to keep him.
Washington - Jimmy Garropollo - He was too good to return to SF as a backup...again. WAS would be a solid fit.
Seattle - Geno Smith - They've said they want him back. I think the feeling is mutual, but they shouldnt overpay.
New Orleans - Jameis Winston - I mean...they really don't have much of a choice.
Atlanta - Desmond Ridder - They gave him a look for the last 4, he went 2-2, completed 63.5%, think they'll stick with him

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[plantmanky]

Arizona will need a qb to start the season, Murry wont be ready in time.

[Kingspoint]

Arizona will need a qb to start the season, Murry wont be ready in time.

He won't be ready at any time since he'll obviously be learning another playbook that he hasn't even seen, yet, and once he sees it, there's no telling when he'll actually study it.

[JaxRed]

Apparently Mike Silver published an article about a week ago in the SF Examiner and said that Purdy will be the starter next year in SF unless something crazy happens, and that Lance could be available for a 3rd. Immediately denied by 49's.

[WVRed]

AFC East:
Buffalo: Josh Allen
Miami: Tua
NY Jets: Aaron Rodgers
New England: Mac Jones

AFC North:
Baltimore: Lamar Jackson
Cincinnati: Joe Burrow
Cleveland: DeShaun Watson
Pittsburgh: Kenny Pickett

AFC South:
Houston: Bryce Young
Indianapolis: CJ Stroud
Jacksonville: Trevor Lawrence
Tennessee: Ryan Tannehill

AFC West:
Denver: Russell Wilson
Kansas City: Patrick Mahomes
LA Chargers: Justin Herbert
Las Vegas: Jimmy G

NFC East:
Dallas: Dak Prescott
New York Giants: Daniel Jones
Philadelphia: Jalen Hurts
Washington: Anthony Richardson

NFC North:
Chicago: Justin Fields
Detroit: Jared Goff
Green Bay: Jordan Love
Minnesota: Kirk Cousins

NFC South:
Atlanta: Desmond Ridder
Carolina: Will Levis
New Orleans: Jameis Winston
Tampa Bay: Derek Carr

NFC West:
Arizona: Colt McCoy then Kyler Murray
LA Rams: Matt Stafford
San Fran: Brock Purdy
Seattle: Geno Smith

[KoryMac5]

Bryce Young will fall probably to #4 teams will pick him apart due to his size and weight...though he could surprise and pack on an additional 10 15 lbs of muscle before the draft. Not many qb's can hang being only 180 lbs.

[WVRed]

Bryce Young will fall probably to #4 teams will pick him apart due to his size and weight...though he could surprise and pack on an additional 10 15 lbs of muscle before the draft. Not many qb's can hang being only 180 lbs.

I’m thinking the Colts will trade up with the Bears and take either Stroud or even Levis.

[RichRed]

Washington has reportedly told prospective OC candidates that Sam Howell is their starting QB heading into next season, for what it’s worth. And knowing that organization, it might not be worth much.

[JaxRed]

I’m thinking the Colts will trade up with the Bears and take either Stroud or even Levis.

No Brady. You think he retires?

[WVRed]

No Brady. You think he retires?

I actually thought about putting him in Vegas. But yeah, I could see it. If not either one then a return to Tampa.

Jets seem primed to make a run at Aaron Rodgers by hiring Hackett as OC.

[JaxRed]

Adam Schefter writes about possibilities of Packers/Rodgers moving on from each other. It sounds as if it will happen this time.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35551148/aaron-rodgers-packers-crossroads-trade-remains-possible

Schefter earlier said Packers only want to trade hm to an AFC team and they wanted 2 first rounders.

[Kingspoint]

Bill Parcells stated, while laughing, that the JETS should sign Nathanial Hackett in hopes that it can help lure Rodgers to the JETS. A day or two later the first part happens. The JETS are probably all-in on Rodgers. I don't care about anything Saleh says about it.

[Kingspoint]

Brady looked like someone falling down a flight of stairs.

Next year he'll look like someone who did trying to climb back up, but only falling down once again and staying there.

He needs to stay down and not get back up.

This is the NFL Defenses talking to Brady:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. SqCoiH-Jm33--XwIFWzpcwAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=eff94fe32a65fc19779d502f71aec364076d829002c18b 5e3744f7526659c948&ipo=images

[WVRed]

No Brady. You think he retires?

Called it. (For now)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35568868/tom-brady-says-retiring-football-good

[Rojo Rijo]

Starting QB Predictions - 2023 (Adjusted due to Tom Brady Retiring)

Adjustments in bold

Locks:

Locks because of performance:
Kansas City - Patrick Mahomes - MVP, SB winner, SB MVP, yards leader, TD leader, he's won everything already. Only 27
Cincinnati - Joe Burrow - Dripping with talent, surrounded by talent, all that's missing is the accolades and trophies.
Buffalo - Josh Allen - Disappointing finishes for his Bills 3x now but he's still a monster dual threat QB.
Philadelphia - Jalen Hurts - From doubted to revered. Top notch dual threat QB on NFLs most talented roster.
Jacksonville - Trevor Lawrence - Took the big step I expected. He's only going to get better in 2023.
Los Angeles - Justin Herbert - Arm talent = freak level. Tough being in Mahomes divison but he's still one of the best right now
Detroit - Jared Goff - Can't see why Detroit would make a change after he turned in a top 5 QBR season.

Lock because of $ but also potential:
Cleveland - Deshaun Watson - $220 million dead cap - Gargantuan number. He's still got potential but didnt look good.
Los Angeles - Matthew Stafford - $49.5 million dead cap - Team took a massive step back after winning SB
Arizona - Kyler Murray - $97.5 million dead cap - Team headed in wrong direction

Locks because $:
Denver - Russell Wilson - $107 million dead cap - Denver in a bad place if this is who he is moving forward.
Dallas - Dak Prescott - $89 million dead cap - Can't help but think his deal will get in their way and they're so close.
Minnesota - Kirk Cousins - $48.75 million dead cap - Not sure when they'll figure it out but it wont happen with him.
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Chance:

Near lock but there is a small chance:
Baltimore - Lamar Jackson - Contract situation but hard to imagine they let him leave.
Chicago - Justin Fields - Because Chicago has the #1 overall pick. Still think he showed enough to prevent a change.
Miami - Tua Tagovailoa - Combination of injury concerns and chance Miami would look to upgrade but he was good.
Tennessee - Ryan Tannehill - $18 million dead cap and the teams offense has stumbled. Titans window closing.

I think he'll be back but it didnt look like it recently:
New York - Daniel Jones - Turned it around and looked solid, well at least until that last game. Don't think they'll do better.

Where I think the rookies end up:
Houston - Bryce Young - #1 QB taken. Combination of arm and legs too much potential to pass up.
Indianapolis - CJ Stroud - #2 QB taken, though i'd take him over Young.
Las Vegas - Will Levis - #3 QB taken, McDaniels gets his franchise QB, or at least a shot at one.
Carolina - Anthony Richardson - #4 QB taken. That fanbase would love AR, he could be Cam 2.0, but he'll need a little time.

Where I think the old timers land plus who takes their spots on their current teams:
New York - Aaron Rodgers. The Jets appear to be willing to pay the price to get their guy.
Tampa Bay - Jimmy Garropollo - He was too good to return to SF as a backup...again. TB still has a good weapons on offense.
Green Bay - Jordan Love - If Rodgers leaves I think they'll have to give him a shot, otherwise it was all for nothing.

The Rest
New England - Mac Jones - They could move on but not sure they'll have many better options available to them.
Pittsburgh - Kenny Pickett - Wasnt great but showed promise in year 1, he'll get at least another to prove himself.
San Fransisco - Trey Lance. Purdy could potentially be out for a while with elbow injury. SF gets another look at their #3 overall pick from 2021.
Washington - Derek Carr - Unless Vegas decides to hold him. He seems like the kind of move Washington would make, see if it works out.
Seattle - Geno Smith - They've said they want him back. I think the feeling is mutual, but they shouldnt overpay.
New Orleans - Jameis Winston - I mean...they really don't have much of a choice.
Atlanta - Desmond Ridder - They gave him a look for the last 4, he went 2-2, completed 63.5%, think they'll stick with him

[WVRed]

So does anyone really think Brady is done or will he get the “itch” like Favre did?

[UKFlounder]

I think the circus last year plus the on-field struggles embarrassed him and he’s done for good.

[Rojo Rijo]

Yeah I think he's done. After listening to JJ Redick recently on a podcast it seems a lot of times when athletes decide to call it quits it's not as much to do with the season and games but the offseason preparation it takes to be ready to compete at that level.

[oregonred]

The NFC South may literally now have the four worst current starting QB situations in the NFL. It's horrendous.

Have to think one of those teams makes a move into the top 3 of the draft to get Stroud or Bryce Young

[JaxRed]

Apparently Mike Silver published an article about a week ago in the SF Examiner and said that Purdy will be the starter next year in SF unless something crazy happens, and that Lance could be available for a 3rd. Immediately denied by 49's.

Narrator: Something crazy happened.

[JaxRed]

Report today that Mitch Trubisky is unhappy being the backup in Pittsburgh and wants out. And that Pitt may grant him his wish as it saves them 8 million in cap room (minus whatever it takes to sign his replacement). Will be intersting to see if Trubisky and his agent read the market correctly.

[Sea Ray]

Report today that Mitch Trubisky is unhappy being the backup in Pittsburgh and wants out. And that Pitt may grant him his wish as it saves them 8 million in cap room (minus whatever it takes to sign his replacement). Will be intersting to see if Trubisky and his agent read the market correctly.

My guess is Pitt doesn't want an $8mill backup and would have cut him anyway. As for his future, the list of QBs who get a third chance to start is rare. He's destined to be a backup wherever he ends up. I can't see anyone signing him with the idea that he'll start

[Bob Sheed]

Brady just signed a 10 year 150 million dollar broadcasting contract, so I'm guessing he is finally retired this time.

[Sea Ray]

Brady just signed a 10 year 150 million dollar broadcasting contract, so I'm guessing he is finally retired this time.

That number's way low:


Last May, FOX Sports announced Brady would join the network as its No. 1 game analyst -- whenever his career ended. Brady's reported pay for the job -- a princely 10-year, $375 million contract -- made waves in the industry.

https://www.nfl.com/news/tom-brady-says-he-expects-to-begin-his-fox-broadcasting-career-in-fall-2024#:~:text=Last%20May%2C%20FOX%20Sports%20announ ced,made%20waves%20in%20the%20industry.

Next question: how can anyone be worth that much as a broadcaster?

[WVRed]

That number's way low:



https://www.nfl.com/news/tom-brady-says-he-expects-to-begin-his-fox-broadcasting-career-in-fall-2024#:~:text=Last%20May%2C%20FOX%20Sports%20announ ced,made%20waves%20in%20the%20industry.

Next question: how can anyone be worth that much as a broadcaster?

Especially one who’s never called a game.

I know he’s taking next year off but I seriously wonder if we will see him debut at the Super Bowl as a guest analyst.

Kevin Burkhardt is a better pairing for him than Jim Nantz. I think we can all agree on that.

[westofyou]

Aaron Rodgers is contemplating his future at a retreat

He said the retreat will isolate him in complete darkness for four nights where he’ll be able to “contemplate all things my future.”


Totally normal stuff

[JaxRed]

In a "what the hell are they thinking?" kind of move, the Saints who are 57 million over the cap (worst in NFL) are talking with Derek Carr today. They keep kicking the Salary Cap hell down the road, making the situation worse and worse, while the team sinks year after year. They gone from 12-4 to 9-8 to 7-10. Michael Thomas will have a cap hit of $59 million dollars in 2024 until they work numbers again.

Bite the bullet. Cut Winston and save $4 million. Draft a QB. Winston is a FA after the year. Even if he had a good year, he'd then cost too much going forward. I've changed my tune on that. Originally I said keep him but they need to think long term. Along with drafting a QB, sign a CHEAP free agent. There are a ton of guys available. Someone's going to be left standing when the music stops.

[RiverRat13]

Aaron Rodgers is contemplating his future at a retreat

He said the retreat will isolate him in complete darkness for four nights where he’ll be able to “contemplate all things my future.”


Totally normal stuff

He left out "while taking an amount of mind-altering substances that would make the most adventurous Woodstock attendee blush."

[Kingspoint]

In a "what the hell are they thinking?" kind of move, the Saints who are 57 million over the cap (worst in NFL) are talking with Derek Carr today. They keep kicking the Salary Cap hell down the road, making the situation worse and worse, while the team sinks year after year. They gone from 12-4 to 9-8 to 7-10. Michael Thomas will have a cap hit of $59 million dollars in 2024 until they work numbers again.

Bite the bullet. Cut Winston and save $4 million. Draft a QB. Winston is a FA after the year. Even if he had a good year, he'd then cost too much going forward. I've changed my tune on that. Originally I said keep him but they need to think long term. Along with drafting a QB, sign a CHEAP free agent. There are a ton of guys available. Someone's going to be left standing when the music stops.

Wait until Payton is done using the Broncos.

[Kingspoint]

February 8th, 2023 at 6:00pm CST by Ben Levine

The Commanders continue to reiterate that Sam Howell will be their QB1 heading into training camp. During an appearance on PFT Live, head coach Ron Rivera reinforced Howell’s standing as the top quarterback, but he acknowledged the team may bring in a veteran to push him. “The biggest thing we decided is he will start out as QB1,” Rivera said (via Charean Williams of ProFootballTalk.com). “He will most certainly get the first opportunity. We go into OTAs and minicamp, he’ll be QB1. He’ll fight for that position. We’ll give him every opportunity to earn it, and we’ll see what happens when we get into training camp and through it.” Last year, the Commanders pursued QBs like Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, and Derek Carr. This time around, they’re not looking to make a big splash at the position, as Rivera dismissed the notion that the organization would pursue a big name.

“No. No,” Rivera said. “I think the biggest thing is we have to find a guy to come in that’s going to compete, but in terms of finding a guy you’re going to have to spend a lot of capital on, no. We’re not looking for a guy we’ve got to spend a lot of capital on. We’re looking for a guy that’s going to come in and compete first and foremost.” Rivera expressed a similar sentiment to ESPN’s John Keim, noting that the front office will not spend “big capital” at the position (Twitter link). The team will save a significant chunk of cap when they inevitably cut Carson Wentz, but we previously heard that the organization liked the idea of starting a QB on a rookie contract and spending those savings elsewhere. Howell, a 2022 fifth-round pick, only got one start as a rookie, completing 11 of his 19 pass attempts for 169 yards, one touchdown, and one interception en route to a Week 18 win over the Cowboys.

Meanwhile, Rivera told Keim that the Commanders have reached out to defensive tackle Daron Payne‘s reps but have yet to talk money. The impending free agent had his best season in 2022, finishing with a career-high 11.5 sacks. Another important defensive line decision will surround former second-overall pick Chase Young; the Commanders will have to soon make a decision on his fifth-year option. Rivera told Nicki Jhabvala of the Washington Post that the team has yet to make a decision on Young, noting that they still need to evaluate his health and development (Twitter link). However, Rivera wasn’t too worried about the perception if the Commanders decline the player’s option, noting that the Commanders followed a similar path with Payne. “No. Because that’s what we did with Daron,” Rivera explained. “It cost us. But it cost us in a good way, because the young man played, he did things the right way. He didn’t sit out, he didn’t withhold, he could have done that sit-in during training camp, but he didn’t. And because he didn’t, now we’re in that position where we have to find a way to say thank you, OK, you’ve earned it.”

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/02/commanders-hc-ron-rivera-talks-qb-payne-young

[Kingspoint]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/02/ravens-likely-to-use-exclusive-franchise-tag-on-lamar-jackson

Thank you, Cleveland (Not!).

Ravens Likely To Use Exclusive Franchise Tag On Lamar Jackson

February 8th, 2023 at 4:13pm CST by Sam Robinson

Ravens GM Eric DeCosta said last month he has gone back and forth on the exclusive-or-nonexclusive decision regarding Lamar Jackson‘s imminent franchise tag. A month from the March tag deadline, the sense is the Ravens will be the rare team to unholster the exclusive tag. The Ravens should be expected use the exclusive tag, Ian Rapoport of NFL.com said during a Pat McAfee Show appearance (video link). Execs around the league believe the Ravens should use this rarely deployed player-retention tool to cuff their five-year starter, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com adds. The Ravens have until March 7 to tag Jackson. Nonexclusive franchise tag figures surfaced last week. While it would cost Baltimore more than $32.42MM to use the standard franchise tag on Jackson, an exclusive tag — which prevents other teams from negotiating with players — is expected to come in just north of $45MM. That is uncharted cap terrain for the Ravens, who rostered Jackson on a $23MM fifth-year option in 2022.

The exclusive quarterback tag brings a price hike into historic cap territory, and given Jackson’s path since becoming extension-eligible, the Ravens will likely be forced to carry that number on their payroll for a while. The sides have not made progress since DeCosta and John Harbaugh emphatically endorsed a Jackson return, Jeff Zrebiec of The Athletic notes (subscription required). Although the Ravens have not given up hope of extending Jackson before free agency, per Zrebiec, everything that has transpired to this point does not suggest that will happen. A potentially unbridgeable gap in guaranteed money exists here, with the Ravens having offered $133MM fully guaranteed last year and Jackson seeking a number that outflanks Deshaun Watson‘s record-shattering $230MM figure. In a vacuum, Jackson is justified in asking for that. But teams are treating the Browns’ 2022 Watson deal — which came amid a four-team trade sweepstakes — as an outlier. Steve Bisciotti said last year he wished the Browns had not gone to that guarantee place for Watson, and it indeed affected the former Browns franchise’s talks with its passer. The Ravens remain unlikely to offer a fully guaranteed deal, Zrebiec adds.

Jackson skipped the Ravens’ offseason workouts last year. Absent a deal, it should not be expected the five-year veteran will show for Baltimore’s voluntary portion this year. Until Jackson signs his franchise tender, he would not be obligated to attend minicamp or training camp, either. With the Ravens retooling on offense this offseason, Jackson attendance will be more important than it was last year. The Ravens are also involving the pending free agent in their OC search. Compared to most teams, the Ravens are in good cap place. They hold nearly $27MM in space, sitting within the top 10 leaguewide. That would change once a Jackson exclusive tag enters the picture. The dual-threat star has refused Baltimore’s best offers thus far, and although he must sign the tag to lock in that $45MM, the self-represented player’s unorthodox approach regarding his second contract could certainly lead to him making the Ravens sweat leading up to the season.

A nonexclusive tag stipulates teams can pry tagged performers away with two first-round picks. The Ravens using the exclusive tag would allow them to set a different trade market, and while Rapoport adds a trade remains unlikely, paying the extra $13MM would move the boundary for trade compensation. Watson is the only quarterback to fetch three first-round picks since the 1970s, but Jackson — a three-time Pro Bowler with an MVP honor on his resume — has outperformed the controversial QB. Then again, it would require more adjustments to a team’s offense to build an attack around Jackson’s unique skillset. Trade calls should be expected, Fowler adds, but this part of the Jackson process does not appear to have ignited just yet. A January report pointed to teams believing the Ravens will, in fact, make Jackson available. But DeCosta and Harbaugh’s strong endorsements push back on that. Though, pivoting to a trade after such statements would not exactly be an NFL first. We do appear headed toward a full-fledged third round of these negotiations, and no end is in sight.

[Kingspoint]

February 8th, 2023 at 2:03pm CST by Sam Robinson

After considering options, Brock Purdy is likely to undergo surgery to repair his injured elbow soon. The 49ers quarterback is expected to go under the knife in two weeks. Purdy will meet with a Dallas-based doctor on Feb. 21, according to NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport, who notes (via Twitter) the rookie sensation is on track to undergo UCL surgery on Feb. 22. It does not appear Tommy John surgery is on tap. Purdy is expected to recover in advance of training camp, Rapoport adds. This stands to mean the previously rumored internal brace surgery will be the seventh-round pick’s course of action. If that is the case, Purdy could be ready to throw in a few months. A Tommy John procedure would knock him out for much longer, though it would not sideline Purdy as long as it does MLB pitchers. Dr. Keith Meister, the Texas Rangers’ team doctor, is on track to perform the surgery. Purdy, however, might not be full go until the end of the preseason. He and the 49ers discussed a six-month recovery timetable, Matt Barrows of The Athletic tweets. With the surgery coming in two weeks, following that timeline extends to the close of the August slate. That will be cutting it pretty close for Purdy’s regular-season availability. Though, a more accurate timetable will come to light after the operation.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/02/49ers-qb-brock-purdy-planning-to-undergo-ucl-surgery

[Kingspoint]

Going into the dark spaces of Aaron Rodgers' mind...

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[JaxRed]

Ian Rapaport says Derek Carr has informed teams that he will not approve a trade to any team. He's expected to be released by Vegas.

[JaxRed]

Aaron Rodgers has entered the darkness.......

[Sea Ray]

Aaron Rodgers has entered the darkness.......

Do we really think there's any way he walks away from $60mill guaranteed?

[JaxRed]

There are 3 possibilities. Trade, return to GB or retire. Retire is lowest of the possibilities for me.

[pedro]

Aaron Rodgers has entered the darkness.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKjZuykKY1I&ab_channel=RHINO

[JaxRed]

While discussing Lamar Jackson's contract situation with Mike Florio about a week ago, Rich Eisen said there are whispers that say "there is no bargaining table". They are done with him, and he with them.

https://twitter.com/Flockville/status/1622712281497829385

[Sea Ray]

While discussing Lamar Jackson's contract situation with Mike Florio about a week ago, Rich Eisen said their are whispers that say "there is no bargaining table". They are done with him, and he with them.

https://twitter.com/Flockville/status/1622712281497829385

So much for the 200% chance he's coming back from their coach

[Rojo Rijo]

If Lamar isnt going to be in Baltimore that throws everything into chaos as far as figuring out where QBs will end up.

You'd have to imagine Vegas, New York, Tennessee, Indianapolis, Washington, Tampa, Carolina, New Orleans, and Atlanta at a minimum will want to at least talk to Baltimore to see what it would take.

[KoryMac5]

NM wrong thread

[JaxRed]

Looks like AZ is leaning Gannon who has promised to bring Bieniemy as his OC which is wild to me...

Wrong thread?

During presser for new HC Steichen, Owner Jim Irsay, said they wanted an Offensive coach since they were going after a young QB. . Mentioned the Alabama QB looked good.

[JaxRed]

If Lamar isnt going to be in Baltimore that throws everything into chaos as far as figuring out where QBs will end up.

You'd have to imagine Vegas, New York, Tennessee, Indianapolis, Washington, Tampa, Carolina, New Orleans, and Atlanta at a minimum will want to at least talk to Baltimore to see what it would take.

Lamar if he hits the market will surely find someone to pay him major $$. But (and I for sure might be wrong), I don't think the market will fall all over themselves fighting over him.

[Rojo Rijo]

Lamar if he hits the market will surely find someone to pay him major $$. But (and I for sure might be wrong), I don't think the market will fall all over themselves fighting over him.

Yeah, i'd expect only a few of those teams would decide to pursue once they hear what the Ravens ask will be.

[Sea Ray]

The Ravens offered him over a 100 million in guaranteed money. I don't think he'll do better than that but I could be wrong

[RiverRat13]

Atlanta and Carolina are the two teams that should be going all out for Lamar. That's a terrible division and either team that would land him would be the favorite for the next few years.

[JaxRed]

Derek Carr is now officially a free agent. And one that can negotiate immediately. Doesn't have to wait for the tampering period to start. Heard guys on NFL network speculating about Carolina for him. It made a lot of sense. And you have an owner in Tepper who likes to spend money.

I think they make much more sense than New Orleans from Carr's perspective. Saints have real cap problems, Carolina has $47 million more cap space.

[JaxRed]

Although (in my mind) he is probably the worst NFL "insider" around, Jason LaCanfora says that multiple NFL GMs have told him that Justin Fields is available in a trade.

Steve Palazzolo of PFF says he would trade Fields and draft Young.

https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1625985808955244544

[Slyder]

Lamar if he hits the market will surely find someone to pay him major $$. But (and I for sure might be wrong), I don't think the market will fall all over themselves fighting over him.

Would be funny if Las Vegas throws stupid money at him.

[JaxRed]

Aaron Rodgers has entered the darkness.......

Turns out he goes into the darkness Thursday or Friday.

[Sea Ray]

Although (in my mind) he is probably the worst NFL "insider" around, Jason LaCanfora says that multiple NFL GMs have told him that Justin Fields is available in a trade.

Steve Palazzolo of PFF says he would trade Fields and draft Young.

https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1625985808955244544

I think it all boils down to what kind of value Fields has on the trade market. Seems to me he's worth at least a 1st rd pick. If they can get good value for him, I agree, they should trade him

[Chip R]

So much for the 200% chance he's coming back from their coach

You have to wonder if Lamar pulls a Deshaun Watson and sits out next season.

[Sea Ray]

You have to wonder if Lamar pulls a Deshaun Watson and sits out next season.

I don't think it'll come to that. If things get bad, then my guess is that the Ravens will work out a trade with some team that's willing to overpay for him. As a Bengal fan, that's my worst nightmare. My hope is that they embrace and spend 100s of millions and many yrs together, locked at the hip

[plantmanky]

Lamar to Jets?

[KoryMac5]

Lamar to Jets?

Peter King speculated about that...if the Jets strike out with Rodgers they would turn to Jackson/

Jets would be a tough out in the playoffs if they get a QB.

[Chip R]

Peter King speculated about that...if the Jets strike out with Rodgers they would turn to Jackson/

Jets would be a tough out in the playoffs if they get a QB.

The Jets are stupid enough to do that.

[Mitri]

The Jets are extremely desperate for a QB. Carr, Rogers, Lamar, Jimmy G…. It doesn’t matter who they go after, ownership has no choice but to overpay to get the best of whichever QB is willing to play for them. They’ve already said as much. Reminds me a bit of the Reds, meddling owners running a dumpster-fire organization who chance into a decent team once a decade.

They’re probably a playoff team with any of those guys but are they good enough to win the conference? This won’t end well.

[plantmanky]

Part of me wants the following scenario to happen.

Rodgers says he wants to stay in GB.

GB says no, and cuts him.

Rodgers wants so much money no one signs him.


Rodgers - left out.

[plantmanky]

Peter King speculated about that...if the Jets strike out with Rodgers they would turn to Jackson/

Jets would be a tough out in the playoffs if they get a QB.

I think the Jets are the best spot for Lamar myself. Im not a Lamar fan, but hes a very high level serviceable QB.

[Chip R]

Part of me wants the following scenario to happen.

Rodgers says he wants to stay in GB.

GB says no, and cuts him.

Rodgers wants so much money no one signs him.


Rodgers - left out.

Somebody's going to sign him.

[Sea Ray]

Part of me wants the following scenario to happen.

Rodgers says he wants to stay in GB.

GB says no, and cuts him.

Rodgers wants so much money no one signs him.


Rodgers - left out.

He's got $60million guaranteed to him next yr. They can't just cut him and he knows that

[Sea Ray]

I think the Jets are the best spot for Lamar myself. Im not a Lamar fan, but hes a very high level serviceable QB.

Lamar is a very good QB and he's worth big bucks but how much in guaranteed bucks are you willing to shell out for him? The Ravens were willing to guarantee him $133mill. Is he worth more than that given his risk of injury? No way

Guaranteed money is why GB is locked in with Rodgers

[JaxRed]

Jets wined and dined Carr today.

[JaxRed]

The Giants declined a 5th year option on Daniel Jones a year ago for 22.3 million. Now, they are possibly talking 5/190 million ($38 per) according to Paul Schwartz of NY Post. Mike Florio is hearing Jones wants 45 mill. This is the over pay I was warning about. Jones was decent this year. Threw for 3200 yards and 15 TDs. A very average QB. Ranked 13th in rating. 21st in TDs. 15th in total yards. Middle of the pack.

You know who was better statistically? Andy Dalton. If you have an average QB, don't pay big bucks for average.

[Sea Ray]

The Giants declined a 5th year option on Daniel Jones a year ago for 22.3 million. Now, they are possibly talking 5/190 million ($38 per) according to Paul Schwartz of NY Post. Mike Florio is hearing Jones wants 45 mill. This is the over pay I was warning about. Jones was decent this year. Threw for 3200 yards and 15 TDs. A very average QB. Ranked 13th in rating. 21st in TDs. 15th in total yards. Middle of the pack.

You know who was better statistically? Andy Dalton. If you have an average QB, don't pay big bucks for average.

If I'm the Giants I call his bluff. Let him go...maybe put a non exclusive tag on him

[KoryMac5]

If I'm the Giants I call his bluff. Let him go...maybe put a non exclusive tag on him

Exactly the Giants are bidding against themselves not sure I see the appeal of Daniel Jones without Dabol in his ear...

[JaxRed]

Aaron Rodgers has offically emerged from the darkness..........

[Tuff Nut]

Aaron Rodgers has offically emerged from the darkness..........

"Hello Darkness my old friend".

[Chip R]

Reportedly, Russell Wilson wanted Seahawks coach Pete Carroll and GM John Schneider fired before he was traded to Denver. He apparently wanted therm to hire Sean Payton.

https://theathletic.com/4243182/2023/02/24/russell-wilson-pete-carroll-seahawks-request/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

[Kingspoint]

Reportedly, Russell Wilson wanted Seahawks coach Pete Carroll and GM John Schneider fired before he was traded to Denver. He apparently wanted therm to hire Sean Payton.

https://theathletic.com/4243182/2023/02/24/russell-wilson-pete-carroll-seahawks-request/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

It's going to take more than Sean Payton to fix Russell Wilson. He might have one honeymoon quality season, but it's going to be the Defense why DEN will win games under Wilson's tenure.

[RichRed]

Washington releases Carson Wentz. Who could’ve possibly guessed that wouldn’t work out???

[WVRed]

It's going to take more than Sean Payton to fix Russell Wilson. He might have one honeymoon quality season, but it's going to be the Defense why DEN will win games under Wilson's tenure.

That’s pretty much how Wilson won a Super Bowl.

Russ seems like the type of QB who gets all the hype despite his defense being the reason he wins games.

[Kingspoint]

That’s pretty much how Wilson won a Super Bowl.

Russ seems like the type of QB who gets all the hype despite his defense being the reason he wins games.

It was a play by him that cost them his 2nd Title.

[WrongVerb]

Washington releases Carson Wentz. Who could’ve possibly guessed that wouldn’t work out???

The Colts

[Kingspoint]

The Colts

The Eagles

- - - Updated - - -

Eric Bienemy

[JaxRed]

Washington - Washington is the latest team to try and fail with Wentz. Taylor Heinecke is FA. Wentz is due $26 million but can be released with ZERO cap hit. I just can't figure out what the Commanders might do. /s

.

Oh. Release him? Never saw that coming.

[JaxRed]

Ian Rapaport reports that Derek Carr is making the rounds at the combine today. Follow-up meetings with Saints and Jets and a first meeting with Panthers. Other meetings may happen.

[JaxRed]

Per Adam Schefter: Falcons released QB Marcus Mariota. The move saved them $12 million agains their salary cap.

[Kingspoint]

Per Adam Schefter: Falcons released QB Marcus Mariota. The move saved them $12 million agains their salary cap.

Yeah, that had to happen. Don't believe Mariota could even be a backup anymore at $3M.

[JaxRed]

The New York Daily News reports that Daniel Jones reps are seeking more than 45 million per year. SMH

[KoryMac5]

The New York Daily News reports that Daniel Jones reps are seeking more than 45 million per year. SMH

Have fun with that...I can't see more than 1 or 2 teams in the NFL having interest in him as Dabol has been the only one to unlock him so far.

[Kingspoint]

To do what Daniel Jones did with what was possibly the worst Receiving Corps in the NFL each of the last two seasons has been a remarkable feat. Now, making the Wild Card in the NFC is not that big a deal, so you have to take that, including their number of wins, with a grain of salt, but if you just look at Daniel Jones' production from game-to-game, it was remarkable. He went into every game where the opponent did everything to stop the run, forcing the Giants to make it happen Offensively through the air (because of their poor Receivers and because you don't want Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley running the ball), and still, Jones responded well without panicking throughout the year. Give that guy some quality Receivers, and he may be a Top-10 QB in the NFL. He's definitely Top-15.

I think that's where Jones' camp is coming from. They know the Giants can't acquire anyone better than him and Jones is ready to take off right now for five good years (if the Giants can give him help so he doesn't have to run too often, and thus, keep him healthy). Jones has proven that he can perform well in the pocket and on 3rd-down pressure. He's reading Defenses well, and will get much better. Should he hit the open market, he'd have to be the #1 QB that teams would look to sign.

He's not leaving the Giants. He's gauranteed to get the $32M qualifying offer, so there's $32M gauranteed right there, and he'll cost even more next off-season.

The Giants were hoping that Jones' camp would be asking for around $35M per season, but it doesn't hurt to ask for more and put the pressure back on the Giants to see what happens. Jones has nothing to lose asking for more.

Burrow (and Herbert) is going to cost $50M+ per season. It's getting ridiculous.

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Saints are ready to sign Carr. Carr was seeking $35M per season. If he even comes in at $30M per season, then Jones has to be worth $40M+ per season. All of the teams are hoping that the Saints go less and not drive the cost of QB's higher.

[JaxRed]

Carson Wentz spotted in Indy with his agents. Apparently they are working "the room".

[KoryMac5]

What is the reason behind Jones first good year though...Daboll who was significant in Allen's development with the Bills. I just don't think if I am the Giants that I want to get in a bidding war against myself for a better version of Ryan Tannehill.

There is no world where I would want to pay Jones the same amount as Mahomes.

[Kingspoint]

What is the reason behind Jones first good year though...Daboll who was significant in Allen's development with the Bills. I just don't think if I am the Giants that I want to get in a bidding war against myself for a better version of Ryan Tannehill.

There is no world where I would want to pay Jones the same amount as Mahomes.

Daniel Jones was good last year, too. Not as good, but he was good enough that it forced them into the situation they are in right now. Jones had horrible Receivers last season, while he didn't have Runningbacks, either. He had no talent around him, yet would continue to move the chains.

[KoryMac5]

Daniel Jones was good last year, too. Not as good, but he was good enough that it forced them into the situation they are in right now. Jones had horrible Receivers last season, while he didn't have Runningbacks, either. He had no talent around him, yet would continue to move the chains.

Look deeper at the numbers though he was really good in the Redzone last season bolstered by a solid run game...outside of the Redzone his completion percentage was down from 2022...

I think the Giants would pay him around 4 for 160 and call it a day...

[WrongVerb]

Carr to Saints (for some reason)



Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

The #Saints are giving their new QB Derek Carr a 4-year deal, source said. With a big QB number coming, they'll make it work with their cap situation.
10:35am · 6 Mar 2023

[WVRed]

Carr to Saints (for some reason)

Salary cap hell awaits.

[Kingspoint]

Look deeper at the numbers though he was really good in the Redzone last season bolstered by a solid run game...outside of the Redzone his completion percentage was down from 2022...

I think the Giants would pay him around 4 for 160 and call it a day...

He's not a guy that you can look at the numbers and get a feel for how effective he was. I think you're right about the number, though.

[JaxRed]

Ian Rapaport says of Carr deal with Saints

The #Saints & Derek Carr agreed on a 4-yr deal for $150M with $100M in total guarantees, per me & @MikeGarafolo. He gets $70M effectively fully guaranteed ($60M at signing, another $10M in Year 3 vesting after Year 1). Carr structures his deal to accommodate Saints’ cap issues.

________________

Doesn't sound too crazy. The original deal that caused him to be cut had 40 mill in guarantees just for 2 years. For a guy with the QB FA market to himself, he did well, but it's not crazy money. But Saints will be up against it for a while. My guess is they are going to be mediocre for a while.

I wonder if this causes a release of Jameis Winston. It would save Saints about 4 milion.

[Kingspoint]

Smith ended up winning the starting job and rewarded the Seahawks with the best season of his career. In his first season as a starting quarterback in eight years, Smith led his team to the playoffs, earned a Pro Bowl bid, led the league in completion percentage, and won Comeback Player of the Year. Smith posted career-highs in passing yards (4,282) and passing touchdowns (30), and his interception total (11) was the lowest in any of his three seasons as a starter.

The new contract for Smith is reportedly a three-year deal worth $105MM, according to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport. While many details are as of yet unknown, Smith is expected to make $52MM in his first year under the deal. After making $17.55MM over the first ten years of his career, Smith is now set to double that in his contract’s $35MM average annual value (AAV) and nearly triple it in his first year of the deal. The new contract ranks 13th for NFL quarterbacks in total value and 10th for AAV.

[JaxRed]

Pretty smart deal on the Seahawks part. Best case scenario is that Geno is a stud for three years and 30.5 is a decent price for that. But they structured it in such a way apparently that they can walk away quickly. Seahawks have a decent amount of cap space for 2023 and Smith will earn 52 million in 2023. I don't know how much of that 105 is guaranteed, but I bet you (much like the Carr deal in LV) that Seahawks have the ability to walk away after 2023 with minimal impact should Smith turn into a frog or Seahawks stumble into a stud QB in the draft.

[JaxRed]

Various NFL sources like Trey Wingo are reporting that the Jets and Aaron Rodgers had "discussions" on Monday (March 6th)

[Rojo Rijo]

Pretty smart deal on the Seahawks part. Best case scenario is that Geno is a stud for three years and 30.5 is a decent price for that. But they structured it in such a way apparently that they can walk away quickly. Seahawks have a decent amount of cap space for 2023 and Smith will earn 52 million in 2023. I don't know how much of that 105 is guaranteed, but I bet you (much like the Carr deal in LV) that Seahawks have the ability to walk away after 2023 with minimal impact should Smith turn into a frog or Seahawks stumble into a stud QB in the draft.

Sounds like they really hit it off with Richardson.

On one hand I think he would benefit from not being tossed into a starting role in 2023, on the other hand if Geno continues to play well I don't think wasting Richardsons athleticism at 22, 23, maybe 24 years old is the smartest move.

[Sea Ray]

Various NFL sources like Trey Wingo are reporting that the Jets and Aaron Rodgers had "discussions" on Monday (March 6th)

Isn't that tampering?

[WrongVerb]

Isn't that tampering?

Rodgers has permission to seek a trade with the Jets.

https://wisportsheroics.com/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-trade/

[Sea Ray]

Rodgers has permission to seek a trade with the Jets.

https://wisportsheroics.com/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-trade/

:thumbup:

I hadn't heard that. Thanks

Once a team gives permission, the player is generally gone. The Jets will not only have to pick up most of his $60mill salary, they'll have to give the Packers what they want in compensation. Should be interesting

[JaxRed]

This would be consistent with rumors flloating around that Packers prefer he go elsewhere rather than come back.

Update:

The New York Jets have flown on Woody Johnson’s private plane to California to meet with Aaron Rodgers in person per sources. They land soon.

[RiverRat13]

The most logical place for Lamar - Atlanta - has been talking trade with Baltimore. The Ravens put the non-exclusive tag on him, meaning they get to match but would only get two 1st round picks back for him if they don't. I actually think that tag makes the most sense for Baltimore. It frees up more cap space for them compared to exclusive tag while Lamar shops himself around. The potential downside is that he's worth more than two 1st rounders, but at this point, resolving the situation has to be worth more than extra picks.

[Sea Ray]

As always, the Ravens' front office made the right move. Let's see what other teams think Lamar is worth.

[JaxRed]

The NY Giants signed Jones to a 4 year deal worth 160. An even 40 mill per.

So Daniel Jones is on the books for four years and $160 million with $82 million guaranteed at signing, per sources. There is another $35M available in incentives.

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I"m a little surprised at 82 mill guaranteed. They might have given themselves an out.

[JaxRed]

Teams that reportedly will *not* be pursuing a deal for Lamar Jackson include:

▫️Falcons
▫️Dolphins
▫️Panthers
▫️Commanders
▫️Raiders

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No one is giving up 2 firsts for Jackson.

[Kingspoint]

Teams that reportedly will *not* be pursuing a deal for Lamar Jackson include:

▫️Falcons
▫️Dolphins
▫️Panthers
▫️Commanders
▫️Raiders

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No one is giving up 2 firsts for Jackson.

Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles, 49er's, Browns, Bills, Jets, Cardinals, Seahawks, Packers, Bears, Lions, Vikings, Cowboys, Giants, Saints, Rams, Broncos and Steelers.

[GAC]

Not denying Jackson's talent and ability; but I think he's cutting his own throat with his demand.

Your recent injury history, thwarting play-off hopes the past two seasons, doesn't help your resume.

But I'm sure someone may have the money to throw away.

paging Jerry Jones! paging Jerry Jones! lol

[Sea Ray]

Not denying Jackson's talent and ability; but I think he's cutting his own throat with his demand.

Your recent injury history, thwarting play-off hopes the past two seasons, doesn't help your resume.

But I'm sure someone may have the money to throw away.

paging Jerry Jones! paging Jerry Jones! lol

I don't see Dallas as a fit for Lamar

[Bob Sheed]

I think Lamar Jackson just got a big wake up call.

I was hoping that wouldn't happen, but the Ravens front office is too clever, unfortunately.

[Sea Ray]

I think Lamar Jackson just got a big wake up call.

I was hoping that wouldn't happen, but the Ravens front office is too clever, unfortunately.

I don't know if he'll take it as a wake up call. He might pout. I wouldn't rule out a hold-out

[JaxRed]

Here are the contract details for Jones. Spotrac seems to think he can only be cut or released after 2025. I'm not sure sure it might not be after 2024 if he busts. But either way if he's on the team, his cap hit in 2025 is a hefty 56 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/daniel-jones-29041/

[RiverRat13]

Not denying Jackson's talent and ability; but I think he's cutting his own throat with his demand.

Another problem for Lamar is that he doesn't have an agent. Because of this, he'll be advised by the NFLPA. There's nothing that the NFLPA would want more than to have a second fully guaranteed long-term QB contract (third if you count Kirk Cousins getting three years of fully guaranteed money). That would open the door even more for at least QBs to push for fully guaranteed contracts. I think the owners are going to hold firm. If Lamar sticks with the fully guaranteed demand, he may be the odd man out of the QB musical chairs. But some of those teams listed as not interested in pursuing Lamar may jump in if he comes off of his structure demand.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Jackson is in a bit of a bind - he's a great QB but he's suffered from injuries and the type of QB he is would indicate that he'll continue to get hurt if he plays the way that makes him great. The Ravens know that and thus, won't pay him what he thinks he's worth. The Ravens aren't going to pay him Watson money (the Watson contract is sort of like the one house in the neighborhood that someone pays way too much for and everyone knows it and no one uses for comps).

Jackson needs to either pay for the amount the Ravens gave him for 23-24 and not get hurt (and then get a huge payday next year) or go somewhere else and try to get as much guaranteed money as possible. Not having an agent can't help either. As a Bengal fan, I hope he leaves the AFC.

[GAC]

I don't see Dallas as a fit for Lamar

What" You don't think he and McCarthy would get along? :D

[GAC]

Another problem for Lamar is that he doesn't have an agent. Because of this, he'll be advised by the NFLPA. There's nothing that the NFLPA would want more than to have a second fully guaranteed long-term QB contract (third if you count Kirk Cousins getting three years of fully guaranteed money). That would open the door even more for at least QBs to push for fully guaranteed contracts. I think the owners are going to hold firm. If Lamar sticks with the fully guaranteed demand, he may be the odd man out of the QB musical chairs. But some of those teams listed as not interested in pursuing Lamar may jump in if he comes off of his structure demand.

You're probably right, and Lamar will probably yell collusion. ;)

What the Browns gave to sexual predator Watson (all that guaranteed money, next three 1st Rd draft picks) was pure lunacy, and the main reason why I will no longer have anything to do with them.

And if the Reds keep ^&&*%$ around they're next!!! LMAO

[plantmanky]

Lamar will get zero offers from any teams and he will be back at square one. He wont play for the Ravens every again.

[Kingspoint]

Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Eagles, 49er's, Browns, Bills, Jets, Cardinals, Seahawks, Packers, Bears, Lions, Vikings, Cowboys, Giants, Saints, Rams, Broncos and Steelers.

Forgot the Jaguars and Houston is selling, not buying. So, that leaves four teams other than the Ravens.

[KoryMac5]

Lamar will get zero offers from any teams and he will be back at square one. He wont play for the Ravens every again.

Doubtful Lamar has talent and an MVP under his belt I could see him getting offers however not the fully guaranteed contract he is looking for...that's the kicker for a lot of teams.

I would think one or 2 teams would give the 1s but than paying 200+ guaranteed is a tough pill to swallow. Not even Burrow is going to get a fully guaranteed contract.

[Boss-Hog]

Doubtful Lamar has talent and an MVP under his belt I could see him getting offers however not the fully guaranteed contract he is looking for...that's the kicker for a lot of teams.

I would think one or 2 teams would give the 1s but than paying 200+ guaranteed is a tough pill to swallow. Not even Burrow is going to get a fully guaranteed contract.I don't think two first round picks will be the sticking point because Watson, who had a lot more question marks than Lamar, netted three of them last offseason. Teams will give up two first round picks for potentially a franchise QB because they're so hard to find. It's the fully guaranteed money I see continuing to be a sticking point due to the Watson contract being such an outlier as a result of the Browns' desperation. Still, just like the Browns, all it takes is one desperate team to make the offer.

[KoryMac5]

I don't think two first round picks will be the sticking point because Watson, who had a lot more question marks than Lamar, netted three of them last offseason. Teams will give up two first round picks for potentially a franchise QB because they're so hard to find. It's the fully guaranteed money I see continuing to be a sticking point due to the Watson contract being such an outlier as a result of the Browns' desperation. Still, just like the Browns, all it takes is one desperate team to make the offer.

Agreed on the picks unless you are in a full rebuild...the owners are pretty stuck on not offering guaranteed contracts...this is their stand on that. If he is going to insist on a fully guaranteed deal his market is going to be limited to 2-3 teams.

Personally I think he is perfect for the Jets or NE...both have good to great defenses both like to pound the rock.

[JaxRed]

Mike Lombardi admittedly not with the greatest track record of accuracy says Rams are open to trading Stafford.

The #Rams would "Love to trade" QB Matthew Stafford, according to @mlombardiNFL on the @PatMcAfeeShow

“Matthew Stafford is fully available.”

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Not sure who would want him. He would be a VERY expensive cut. 48 million over 2 years..... But I will point out a TON of guarantees are coming due March 17th (57 million). If you are burning it down, releasing 35 year old Stafford pours a lot of fuel on that fire.

[Boston Red]

Lamar will get zero offers from any teams and he will be back at square one. He wont play for the Ravens every again.

You think he'll give up $32 million by not playing for the Ravens?

[WVRed]

Mike Lombardi admittedly not with the greatest track record of accuracy says Rams are open to trading Stafford.

The #Rams would "Love to trade" QB Matthew Stafford, according to @mlombardiNFL on the @PatMcAfeeShow

“Matthew Stafford is fully available.”

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Not sure who would want him. He would be a VERY expensive cut. 48 million over 2 years..... But I will point out a TON of guarantees are coming due March 17th (57 million). If you are burning it down, releasing 35 year old Stafford pours a lot of fuel on that fire.

He spent his one good year left winning the Super Bowl.

The offense line is in shambles and “eff them picks” has set them back considerably. McVay and Snead will probably be elsewhere before the Rams are competitive again.

[Chip R]

Mike Lombardi admittedly not with the greatest track record of accuracy says Rams are open to trading Stafford.

The #Rams would "Love to trade" QB Matthew Stafford, according to @mlombardiNFL on the @PatMcAfeeShow

“Matthew Stafford is fully available.”

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Not sure who would want him. He would be a VERY expensive cut. 48 million over 2 years..... But I will point out a TON of guarantees are coming due March 17th (57 million). If you are burning it down, releasing 35 year old Stafford pours a lot of fuel on that fire.

Wasn't he contemplating retirement last season?

[KoryMac5]

Wasn't he contemplating retirement last season?

Yep his shoulder is a mess...doubtful anyone would take him on.

[Kingspoint]

You think he'll give up $32 million by not playing for the Ravens?

He's been that dumb already once when he played for a cheap amount under his rookie contract, money he'll never get back. He should have sat out then when he had leverage.

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I don't think two first round picks will be the sticking point because Watson, who had a lot more question marks than Lamar, netted three of them last offseason. Teams will give up two first round picks for potentially a franchise QB because they're so hard to find. It's the fully guaranteed money I see continuing to be a sticking point due to the Watson contract being such an outlier as a result of the Browns' desperation. Still, just like the Browns, all it takes is one desperate team to make the offer.

...and now they own the MIL Bucks.

[Kingspoint]

Rodgers' new hom in the Adirondack's:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. tT9YxealnIc2oztaYOkc7AAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=b4e1cbd5c7ee960609ae3e88e40bd9ba13b5b359e2191a 74904f7eb0807e2de3&ipo=images

[JaxRed]

Rams GM claims they are 100% in on Stafford.

[JaxRed]

Dolphins pick up Tua's 5th year option.

[JaxRed]

Carolina trades up to #1. Gotta be going after a QB

[Kingspoint]

Carolina trades up to #1. Gotta be going after a QB

Wow! They ain't messing around. So early for a trade up to the #1.

[JaxRed]

The New Orleans Saints have offered QB Jameis Winston a restructured deal to stay, per sources. Winston has until Wednesday to accept the offer because of the start of the league year or he will be released.

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Obviously involves a big pay cut. I'd probably take it if I was Jameis. You get a guarantee if you take it. If not you may be Cam Newton.

[Kingspoint]

March 11th, 2023 at 3:53pm CST by Sam Robinson

Giants’ top contract is done, however, with Daniel Jones agreeing to a four-year, $160MM deal. That contract includes $82MM fully guaranteed — eighth among QBs — and both his 2023 and 2024 base salaries ($9.5MM, $35.5MM) are fully guaranteed, Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk notes. Most of Jones’ 2025 base ($30MM) is guaranteed for injury at signing, but it does not become fully guaranteed until the 2025 league year. Rather than a year-out vesting date, Jones’ 2025 guarantees not vesting until that point gives the team an out barring injury. Jones’ $46MM 2026 base salary is nonguaranteed, Florio adds.

Although the nonguaranteed 2026 money more accurately tabs this deal as a three-year, $112.5MM pact, the Giants would be on the hook for just $18MM in dead money were they to shed it from their payroll in 2025. Here is the latest from the QB ranks:

The Seahawks look to have convinced Geno Smith to accept a “prove it” contract, albeit on a major raise. Initially reported as a three-year, $105MM pact, Smith’s deal includes full guarantees ($27.3MM) that only stretch through 2023. An additional $12.7MM is guaranteed for injury until February, when NFL.com’s Mike Garafolo notes (on Twitter) it shifts to a full guarantee. That gives the Seahawks additional time to evaluate Smith, who surprised most with his 2022 performance. Smith’s guarantee consists of a $26.1MM signing bonus and a $1.2MM base salary in 2023, Albert Breer of SI.com tweets. The Seahawks could designate Smith as a post-June 1 cut in 2024 and be charged with just $8.7MM in dead money. Pete Carroll has spoken of the possibility the Seahawks could take a quarterback at No. 5. While the trade-down-happy team may be trying to create a market for the pick, the Smith details point to the team’s QB situation not being settled beyond 2023.

Browns GM Andrew Berry discussed the possibility of a Deshaun Watson restructure. While this is a restructure-crazed point on the NFL calendar, the prospect of adjusting this particular deal would create some new territory due to the $230MM fully guaranteed sum. The Browns do not need Watson’s permission to reshuffle money on his deal, Florio notes. Watson is on Cleveland’s 2023 cap sheet at a record-shattering $54.9MM. A restructure this year could create $33.69MM in cap space, Florio adds. Moving more money onto future caps would create some eye-popping figures, but it is a route the Browns can take to create cap space this year. Cleveland is currently more than $14MM over the cap.

Bailey Zappe‘s cameo as a Patriots starter caused became a storyline briefly last season, and while Mac Jones won his job back, Jeff Howe of The Athletic notes Zappe will have a chance to push Jones for the job in 2023 (subscription required). After a record-setting season at Western Kentucky, Zappe completed 70.7% of his passes and won both his starts as a Patriot. Jones helped Bill O’Brien learn Alabama’s system back in 2021, when the former was preparing for the draft, so it would be interesting to see if Zappe will cause a legitimate QB controversy this year.

The Jets are interested in bringing back Mike White, but they are expected to have some competition. Other teams are interested in adding the popular Jet as an option to compete for a role, Garafolo notes (video link). This could be as a bridge option for a team planning to draft a quarterback. The Jets have zeroed in on Aaron Rodgers. If the all-time great does decide he wants in on the Big Apple, White would seemingly be headed elsewhere.

[Kingspoint]

March 11th, 2023 at 10:52am CST by Ely Allen

In a recent interview, ESPN’s Adam Schefter expounded a theory on why so many teams are coming out and voicing their disinterest in Lamar Jackson, who received the non-exclusive franchise tag last week and is allowed to negotiate terms with other teams than the Ravens. The theory has nothing to do with Jackson and his outstanding abilities; it has to do with the Ravens’ player personnel staff. One of the advantages that we teased in earlier reports on the situation was that, by tagging Jackson with the non-exclusive tag, the team would effectively be allowing other teams to do their negotiating for them, since they would likely match any offer opposing teams would make. There was speculation that the Ravens could do this to essentially allow the market to set the value on Jackson.

Schefter theorizes that other teams have no interest in doing Baltimore’s homework for them. Other franchises are fully aware that the Ravens have no intention of letting Jackson walk, so any offer they might make just does the Ravens’ job for them of organizing a new deal for Lamar. Another added detriment for other teams is that the Ravens would have five days to match the offer or accept Jackson’s departure. In the meantime, the offering team would be stuck in salary cap purgatory, not knowing whether or not it would be taking on the contract of a premier veteran quarterback or not. This is extremely unattractive as free agency is due to open next week. If a team is stuck for five days not knowing their financial position, it becomes difficult to negotiate with other free agents.

[JaxRed]

Ian Rappaprt reports Tampa Bay is rumored to be going after Baker Mayfield in Free Agency tomorrow.

"This could be competition for Kyle Trask, their former 2nd-round pick, who the team likes a lot. As TB plots life without Tom Brady…"

You will be able to tell if he's being handed the job by size of deal.

[JaxRed]

Jimmy G is signing with Raiders. Makes a ton of sense. Reunites him with McDaniels. Pretty reasonable price

Raiders are giving former 49ers’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo a three-year, $67.5 million deal, including $34 million guaranteed, per source.

[JaxRed]

Mike White is signing with the Dolphins. This makes sense for Dolphins also. You want a pretty good reserve QB in case (when) Tua goes down. I bet White gets more then your average backup. Or a lot of incentives based on playing time.

[UKFlounder]

I read 2 years $16 million for White

[WVRed]

Jimmy G is signing with Raiders. Makes a ton of sense. Reunites him with McDaniels. Pretty reasonable price

Raiders are giving former 49ers’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo a three-year, $67.5 million deal, including $34 million guaranteed, per source.

Does that take them out of drafting a QB?

[JaxRed]

Does that take them out of drafting a QB?

I would think so, but talking heads are not eliminating that possibility. Frankly this is the kind of deal teams should be making. Three years of Jimmy G at 22 mill is a fantastic deal.

[JaxRed]

Former #Raiders QB Jarrett Stidham is signing a 2-year, $10M deal with the #Broncos,

[JaxRed]

The #Texans are signing QB Case Keenum to a two-year, $6.25 million deal that's worth up to $8.25M with incentives. He got $4M guaranteed

[JaxRed]

49ers reached agreement on a one-year deal with former Panthers’ QB Sam Darnold, per source.

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Interesting move. With both QBs on the mend, Darnold as #3 is some pretty good insurance.

[Slyder]

Jimmy G is signing with Raiders. Makes a ton of sense. Reunites him with McDaniels. Pretty reasonable price

Raiders are giving former 49ers’ QB Jimmy Garoppolo a three-year, $67.5 million deal, including $34 million guaranteed, per source.

So get rid of Carr to bring in Derek Carr-Lite.... FIRE THIS IDIOT. No offense to Jimmy G., he's not going to have a top 3 defense to let him hand the ball off 50 times a game and be a game manager which he is. He also has a a bad history with the important ability in football... Availability. He'll be hurt by the 1st of October.

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Does that take them out of drafting a QB?

I hope so because I don't want to get stuck with Tim Tebow Part II because McDaniels is an idiot.

[JaxRed]

Saints re-sign Winston at 4 mill for 1 year. (He has incentives that could make it higher but unless Carr gets hurt, he'll never see the field) He was originally scheduled to make over 12 mill, so quite the haircut.

[JaxRed]

Taylor Heinicke signing with Falcons.

For the #Falcons and Taylor Heinicke, it’s a two-year deal worth up to $20 million, per source. Atlanta has said Desmond Ridder is the starter, and that's top-end backup money.

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That's pretty expensive for a back up. The devil is in the details. How much of that is incentives. (the "up to" part)

[JaxRed]

Inmates running the ayslum......



Dianna Russini
@diannaESPN
·
1h
Aaron Rodgers has provided the NY Jets with a wish-list of free agents he would like them to target and acquire, per sources.
It includes Randall Cobb, Allen Lazard, Marcedes Lewis and….Odell Beckham Jr.

[JCM11]

Jets sign Lazard 4/44. Gotta figure them acquiring Rogers is right around the corner.

[JaxRed]

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
1m
The #Vikings re-signed backup QB Nick Mullens to a two-year, $4 million deal that includes a little less than $2M guaranteed.

[JaxRed]

Veteran free-agent QB Andy Dalton is expected to reach agreement on a two-year, $10 million deal that includes $8 million fully guaranteed with the Carolina Panthers, per source. Contract max value is $17 million.


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With this signing, Andy Dalton is officially the new Ryan Fitzpatrick

[JaxRed]

Former No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield reached agreement today on a one-year deal worth up to $8.5 million with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, per sources. Mayfield is now in line to be Tom Brady’s successor.

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1 year deal for "up to 8.5 million" indicates a pretty soft market for Mayfield. It also indicates (to me) that he wants to re-establish his worth and go back in market next year at higher price.

[Rojo Rijo]

Former No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield reached agreement today on a one-year deal worth up to $8.5 million with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, per sources. Mayfield is now in line to be Tom Brady’s successor.

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1 year deal for "up to 8.5 million" indicates a pretty soft market for Mayfield. It also indicates (to me) that he wants to re-establish his worth and go back in market next year at higher price.

He's gonna end up being the Westbrook of the NFL, playing for a new team each year.

[Sea Ray]

Sounds like Aaron Rodgers is heading to the Jets but it's not that simple. There's $60mill to sort out...who pays how much of that? Then there's the trade itself. How much do the Jets give up? The more salary the Jets pick up, it stands to reason, the less they'll have to give up in trade. Lots of issues here. Aaron is guaranteed $60mill. He's not going to give up any of that. The Packers have to do something or else they're on the hook for a big cap hit. The Jets are already stocking up for him. This will be interesting to see where this settles

[JaxRed]

Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
·
23m
The Washington #Commanders are signing QB Jacoby Brissett to a one-year deal worth up to $10 million and $8 million guaranteed, per source. Washington gets a starting option for a quarterback who played well for Cleveland last year.

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That's more than I would have expected for Brissett, considering Washington claims Howell is their guy.

[JaxRed]

Former Panthers’ QB PJ Walker reached agreement tonight with the Chicago Bears, per source. He now becomes the likely backup to Justin Fields.

[JaxRed]

From Zac Keefer of Atlantic:

Hearing Colts are looking into free agent QB Gardner Minshew. With the Shane Steichen connection — they were together in Philly the last two years, with Minshew making four starts — it makes sense.

Edit: Minshew has indeed signed with Colts. Presumably to be the backup to their new drafted QB. Or a bridge...

[Kingspoint]

Rodgers making his Jets intentions clear could up the ante for the Packers, with no other teams on the radar for the 39-year-old passer. It also would cost the Packers more to trade Rodgers than it will for them to keep him on their payroll in 2023. A trade now would saddle Green Bay with $40MM in dead money, which would match the record-setting amount the Falcons ate in last year’s Matt Ryan trade. A Rodgers trade after June 1 would tag the Packers with just $15MM in dead cap. This rather large gap between the two trade timelines could certainly entice the Packers to drag their feet, and while Rodgers said weeks ago he expects a contract adjustment to occur before he is traded, not doing so could lead to a lengthy delay.

[JaxRed]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
25m
Former Falcons’ QB Marcus Mariota reached agreement with the Philadelphia Eagles on a one-year, $5 million deal worth up to $8 million, per source. Mariota is expected to be the Eagles’ No. 2 QB this season.

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Color me surprised. I'm surprised anyone would take Mariota after essentially quitting on Atlanta last year.

[Kingspoint]

Beyond Mariota and Minshew, here are the quarterback deals to have been agreed to in free agency thus far:

Jimmy Garoppolo, Raiders: Three years, $72.75MM ($33.75MM guaranteed)
Andy Dalton, Panthers: Two years, $10MM ($8MM guaranteed)
Jacoby Brissett, Commanders: One year, $8MM ($7.5MM guaranteed)
Taylor Heinicke, Falcons: Two years, $14MM ($6.32MM guaranteed)
Jarrett Stidham, Broncos: Two years, $10MM ($5MM guaranteed)
Mike White, Dolphins: Two years, $8MM ($4.5MM guaranteed)
Drew Lock, Seahawks: Two years, $7MM ($4.4MM guaranteed)
Case Keenum, Texans: Two years, $6.25MM ($4MM guaranteed)
Jameis Winston, Saints (reworked deal): One year, $4MM ($4MM guaranteed)
Baker Mayfield, Buccaneers: One year, $4MM ($4MM guaranteed)
Sam Darnold, 49ers: One year, $4.5MM ($3.5MM guaranteed)
Nick Mullens, Vikings: Two years, $4MM ($1.9MM guaranteed)
Easton Stick, Chargers: One year, $1.8MM ($1.2MM guaranteed)
Kyle Allen, Bills: One-year agreement

[Sea Ray]

Beyond Mariota and Minshew, here are the quarterback deals to have been agreed to in free agency thus far:

Jimmy Garoppolo, Raiders: Three years, $72.75MM ($33.75MM guaranteed)
Andy Dalton, Panthers: Two years, $10MM ($8MM guaranteed)
Jacoby Brissett, Commanders: One year, $8MM ($7.5MM guaranteed)
Taylor Heinicke, Falcons: Two years, $14MM ($6.32MM guaranteed)
Jarrett Stidham, Broncos: Two years, $10MM ($5MM guaranteed)
Mike White, Dolphins: Two years, $8MM ($4.5MM guaranteed)
Drew Lock, Seahawks: Two years, $7MM ($4.4MM guaranteed)
Case Keenum, Texans: Two years, $6.25MM ($4MM guaranteed)
Jameis Winston, Saints (reworked deal): One year, $4MM ($4MM guaranteed)
Baker Mayfield, Buccaneers: One year, $4MM ($4MM guaranteed)
Sam Darnold, 49ers: One year, $4.5MM ($3.5MM guaranteed)
Nick Mullens, Vikings: Two years, $4MM ($1.9MM guaranteed)
Easton Stick, Chargers: One year, $1.8MM ($1.2MM guaranteed)
Kyle Allen, Bills: One-year agreement

So the Bills now have 2 QBs with the last name of Allen?

[Chip R]

So the Bills now have 2 QBs with the last name of Allen?

That could get confusing.

[JaxRed]

Michael Gehlken
@GehlkenNFL
Cowboys are re-signing QB Cooper Rush to a two-year contract worth a maximum $6 million, a person familiar with deal said. Rush is fully guaranteed $2.75M in 2023. Dak Prescott, Rush and Will Grier all under contract.

[JaxRed]

Colts released Matt Ryan. Apparently no one knew he had 12 million coming this year. So now Colts take 18 million cap hit to make him go away. Teams do stupid stuff

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
Mar 14
As part of the #Colts trade to acquire QB Matt Ryan, his agent negotiated a new contract that included a $12M guarantee in 2023 that was not in his previous contract. Ryan remains entitled to the $12M regardless of what he decides to do this season. Amazing.

[JaxRed]

Dolphins pick up the 5th year option on Tua who will get $23.4 mill in 2024.

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·
12h
Dolphins officially exercised QB Tua Tagovailoa's fifth-year option today.
Tip

[JaxRed]

Josh Dobbs to the Browns


Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
2h
The #Browns are signing QB Josh Dobbs to a one-year deal worth $2 million fully guaranteed, per source. A reunion after Dobbs got his chance to start in Tennessee.

[Todd Gack]

Lamar Jackson…..lol

[Kingspoint]

Lamar Jackson…..lol

It may be funny, but he's got bad timing. There's just not a market for him. He's too costly at too high of a risk. Just like Odell. He wanted $20M. Now, he'll take less (because nobody was offering him anywhere near that).

[Todd Gack]

It may be funny, but he's got bad timing. There's just not a market for him. He's too costly at too high of a risk. Just like Odell. He wanted $20M. Now, he'll take less (because nobody was offering him anywhere near that).

He just needs to hire an agent and get it over with. He's already cost himself millions is about ready to cost himself more. The market is there for him. He's just stubborn and he thinks more highly of himself than everyone else is willing to pay. It's not hard to understand but he's the only one who doesn't understand it.

[JaxRed]

Lamar announced on Twitter today that on March 2nd he requested a trade from the Ravens.

[Sea Ray]

Lamar announced on Twitter today that on March 2nd he requested a trade from the Ravens.

That's pretty much what a non exclusive franchise tag is

Go work out a trade Lamar. Ball's in your court

[Kingspoint]

That's pretty much what a non exclusive franchise tag is

Go work out a trade Lamar. Ball's in your court

Lamar wanted to act like it was his idea.

All of these talking heads that are challenging the rest of the NFL like they don't know what they are doing, saying things like "I would have been talking to the Ravens yesterday, or I would have traded for Jackson already, completely have ignored the biggest issue when it comes to Jackson....his vulnerability to injury and high chances that he can't finish a season. Who want to give that much gauranteed money for a player who has a 100% chance of missing games every season, at least a 30% chance to miss playoff games, and a 100% chance of missing games that effect the team's playoff seedings, or even their ability to make the playoffs in the uber-strong AFC (which the Colts are in)? You can pay Gardner Minshew or someone like him, along with whoever they take with their 1st Rd pick a total of $50M over the next five seasons, or you can pay Lamar Jackson $250M over the next five seasons. In addition to the draft picks you save by not giving up compensation of Jackson (one 1st Rd pick), you get to have $200M over the next five years that can be used at other positions.

[KoryMac5]

That's pretty much what a non exclusive franchise tag is

Go work out a trade Lamar. Ball's in your court

Ravens played this well by putting the tag on him they essentially killed his value...and no team is giving him guaranteed money.

Not having an agent is killing him right now...

[Sea Ray]

At this point I don't see how Lamar can go back to Baltimore. Too many bridges have been burned

[Boston Red]

Lamar Jackson would be guaranteed $32.4 million for one season if he were to play for Baltimore next year. I'm a Louisville guy who loves Lamar, but excuse me if I don't feel bad for him and his "predicament".

[KoryMac5]

Lamar Jackson would be guaranteed $32.4 million for one season if he were to play for Baltimore next year. I'm a Louisville guy who loves Lamar, but excuse me if I don't feel bad for him and his "predicament".

Same the more Lamar does the worse this situation looks for him...

[plantmanky]

I posted this before but Lamar didnt then and doesnt now want to play for the Ravens anymore, and he wont. He may never play in the NFL again.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wait why would he never play in the nfl again?

[Slyder]

Wait why would he never play in the nfl again?

No ones going to give up 2 firsts for him.

[RedTeamGo!]

No ones going to give up 2 firsts for him.

Ok? So he will play next year?

[Boston Red]

He hates the Ravens $32 million worth? That would be an impressive amount of hate.

[plantmanky]

Ok? So he will play next year?

For who, he can only play for the Ravens, he is under contract with them. They own his rights. If he sits out and doesn't play, it doesn't count as a contract year, and they still own his rights. Then we are back in the same situation again next year.

[Sea Ray]

I can't imagine any team offering him a better contract than what the Ravens have already offered him...$133mill guaranteed

[Boston Red]

And you think he'll give up $32 million to not play for the Ravens?

[Sea Ray]

And you think he'll give up $32 million to not play for the Ravens?

He could hold out for awhile but no, I don't think he'd miss the entire season... but he probably won't have to. He'll pull a Carson Palmer and burn so many bridges they'll have to deal him

[plantmanky]

And you think he'll give up $32 million to not play for the Ravens?

Yes I do, he does not and will not play for the Ravens again.

[JaxRed]

Mike Florio says Patriots are shopping Mac Jones

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Belichick has shopped Jones to multiple teams during the 2023 offseason.

The full list of potential destinations isn’t known. The teams mentioned as potential destinations were the Raiders, Texans, Buccaneers, and Commanders.

[Sea Ray]

Mike Florio says Patriots are shopping Mac Jones

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Belichick has shopped Jones to multiple teams during the 2023 offseason.

The full list of potential destinations isn’t known. The teams mentioned as potential destinations were the Raiders, Texans, Buccaneers, and Commanders.

Where do they get these things? Why in the world would the Raiders be interested in him? They have Garoppolo and now Brian Hoyer. At least those other 3 teams need a starter

[WVRed]

Mike Florio says Patriots are shopping Mac Jones

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Belichick has shopped Jones to multiple teams during the 2023 offseason.

The full list of potential destinations isn’t known. The teams mentioned as potential destinations were the Raiders, Texans, Buccaneers, and Commanders.McDaniels. But still, valid point.

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[JaxRed]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
5h
Long-time #Patriots backup QB Brian Hoyer has signed a 2-year deal with the #Raiders, per his agent. Back with old friend Josh McDaniels.

[Kingspoint]

Ravens Offered Lamar Jackson $175MM In Total Guarantees; Deal No Longer On Table

April 4th, 2023 at 10:02pm CST by Sam Robinson

Offseason No. 3 of the Ravens-Lamar Jackson contract story has produced the biggest headlines, which include franchise tag and a trade request. But this saga’s second year included the clearest picture of Baltimore’s offer.

Long reported to have offered Jackson $133MM fully guaranteed, the Ravens proposed the former MVP a deal with $175MM in total guarantees. The $42MM injury guarantee would have shifted to a full guarantee early over the course of the contract, Albert Breer of SI.com reports. An additional $25MM — present in the fourth year of the contract — would have become guaranteed in Year 3 of the deal, Breer adds. Overall, that 2022 offer topped $290MM over six years. The $175MM in total guarantees would have topped Russell Wilson ($165MM) for second in the league.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/04/ravens-offered-lamar-jackson-175mm-in-total-guarantees-deal-no-longer-on-table

[RiverRat13]

Ravens Offered Lamar Jackson $175MM In Total Guarantees; Deal No Longer On Table

April 4th, 2023 at 10:02pm CST by Sam Robinson

Offseason No. 3 of the Ravens-Lamar Jackson contract story has produced the biggest headlines, which include franchise tag and a trade request. But this saga’s second year included the clearest picture of Baltimore’s offer.

Long reported to have offered Jackson $133MM fully guaranteed, the Ravens proposed the former MVP a deal with $175MM in total guarantees. The $42MM injury guarantee would have shifted to a full guarantee early over the course of the contract, Albert Breer of SI.com reports. An additional $25MM — present in the fourth year of the contract — would have become guaranteed in Year 3 of the deal, Breer adds. Overall, that 2022 offer topped $290MM over six years. The $175MM in total guarantees would have topped Russell Wilson ($165MM) for second in the league.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/04/ravens-offered-lamar-jackson-175mm-in-total-guarantees-deal-no-longer-on-table

I think more highly of Lamar than many on here, but turning down that contract will go down as one of the great disasters in NFL history. No chance he's offered that again this offseason. He'd have to play on the franchise tag next year, stay healthy, and take Baltimore to at least the AFC Championship Game to ever sniff getting that offered again.

[JaxRed]

Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
·
1h
The #Jets are signing veteran QB Tim Boyle to a one-year deal, source says

[JaxRed]

Jeff Driskel signs a one year deal with Cardinals

[Slyder]

Where do they get these things? Why in the world would the Raiders be interested in him? They have Garoppolo and now Brian Hoyer. At least those other 3 teams need a starter

He’s a patriot… only thing that can work for McDaniels are guys who he molded because he’s a horrible coach who can’t adjust anything he does for anyone. Boyer could be cut at any point and not cost a thing. Jimmy G will be lucky to play 10 games as he’s made of glass and only had success because he had top 3 defenses to make up for his 12/19 for 140 yards passing and still win. I would honestly take Jones over either of them and this years class of qbs likely to be available at 7.

Hopefully McDumbass can coach his way out of LV this year and the new regime (hopefully) can have a blank slate to start over from NE West rejects.

[JaxRed]

NFL
@NFL
·
25m
Chiefs signing QB Blaine Gabbert. (via @RapSheet, @PatMcAfeeShow)

[Kingspoint]

He’s a patriot… only thing that can work for McDaniels are guys who he molded because he’s a horrible coach who can’t adjust anything he does for anyone. Boyer could be cut at any point and not cost a thing. Jimmy G will be lucky to play 10 games as he’s made of glass and only had success because he had top 3 defenses to make up for his 12/19 for 140 yards passing and still win. I would honestly take Jones over either of them and this years class of qbs likely to be available at 7.

Hopefully McDumbass can coach his way out of LV this year and the new regime (hopefully) can have a blank slate to start over from NE West rejects.

Garappolo also had the league's #1 Rushing Offense behind him. Quarterbacks in San Francisco need to do very little to win, especially playing in the very weak NFC.

[WVRed]

Garappolo also had the league's #1 Rushing Offense behind him. Quarterbacks in San Francisco need to do very little to win, especially playing in the very weak NFC.Case in point: Brock Purdy

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[Kingspoint]

Ravens QB Tyler Huntley Signs RFA Tender

April 24th, 2023 at 7:59pm CST by Ely Allen

Despite the questions that still remain with starting quarterback Lamar Jackson, the Ravens secured their backup role today when Tyler Huntley signed his restricted free agent tender, according to Jamison Hensley of ESPN. Huntley will return Baltimore after three years with the team. Despite signing with the Ravens as an undrafted free agent out of Utah, Huntley has outlasted veterans and draft picks as the team’s preferred option to backup Jackson. He only appeared in minimal time in two games as a rookie but has since started four games in each of the last two seasons. In total, Huntley has found time in 15 games, leading the Ravens to a 3-5 record in his eight starts. Huntley is an attractive athlete for Baltimore because he has a skillset that allows the Ravens to keep the same offensive game plan on the field when Jackson is absent. Huntley has throwing ability to go along with a talent rushing the ball.

The difference is that he doesn’t quite do it as effectively as Jackson. Huntley matches Jackson with a good completion percentage (65.6% to Jackson’s 63.7%), but averages nearly 60 fewer passing yards per game and over 30 fewer rushing yards per game. He is also less efficient, throwing five touchdowns to seven interceptions, compared to Jackson’s 101 passing touchdowns to 38 interceptions. While Huntley isn’t quite ready to permanently take over under center, the Ravens value him as their primary backup. While they explored the free agent market, they placed the original round restricted tender on Huntley. They’ll stick with Huntley now on the $2.63MM that his tender pays out in 2023. Huntley is joined in the quarterbacks room by a fellow Pac-12 undrafted passer in Anthony Brown. They’re obviously expected to enter the season as backup quarterbacks, but with Jackson still not having signed his franchise tag, Huntley will want to be ready in case of a holdout.

[JaxRed]

Well it finally happened. Aaron Rodgers is a Jet. In reality what it really boils down to is a 2nd rounder this year, and a 2nd rounder next year that will probably become a first.

Packers take a one time 40 million dollar cap hit this year
Jets get off easy this year. Cap hit is $17M. But then 32M, 51M and 45M. (at ages 40,41 and 42).

[JaxRed]

Lamar Jackson gets off the carousel and signs a 5 year 260 million dollar deal with $185M guarantied. I don't love this deal for Baltimore.

[Boston Red]

Lamar didn't get as much guaranteed money as a couple of other guys...but unlike those guys he doesn't have to pay an agent.

[Kingspoint]

Well it finally happened. Aaron Rodgers is a Jet.

At his age, it's going to be tough doing those high leg-kicks....

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[plantmanky]

Ravens getting fleeced I love it.

[Sea Ray]

My greatest fear was that they traded him for a boatload of picks and in so doing cleared a lot of cap space that their very capable personel team could have a field day filling.

[JaxRed]

#Bengals Backup QB Brandon Allen is signing with the 49ers, per
@MikeGarafolo
.

[JaxRed]

Cincinnati Bengals

@Bengals
·
1h
We have signed free agent QB Trevor Siemian to a one-year contract for the 2023 season.

[JaxRed]

Colts released veteran QB Nick Foles.

[JaxRed]

Teddy Bridgewater signs a 1 year deal with Lions. 2.5 guaranteed, 5 mill max.

[Kingspoint]

Teddy Bridgewater signs a 1 year deal with Lions. 2.5 guaranteed, 5 mill max.

Bengals should have signed him two weeks ago.

[JaxRed]

SF makes Purdy #1, and Sam Darnold #2 and rumors are they are shopping Trey Lance. I don't imagine they will get 3 number #1's for him. /s

[JaxRed]

Browns announced they are waiving Kellen Mond, then instead trade Josh Dobbs to the Cardinals for low draft picks going both ways. And then they keep Mond.

Financial Advice to Mond.... I would rent not buy.

[Kingspoint]

SF makes Purdy #1, and Sam Darnold #2 and rumors are they are shopping Trey Lance. I don't imagine they will get 3 number #1's for him. /s

Lynch said today that they couldn't find any takes and Lance will be there this year (making Brandon Allen available in trade).

[Boss-Hog]

Lynch said today that they couldn't find any takes and Lance will be there this year (making Brandon Allen available in trade).They'll likely release him unless someone gives up a pick for him because they're not keeping four QBs - unless they trade one of the other QBs. I don't know that Brandon Allen is a big enough upgrade over what they have now that I'd be giving up a draft pick (or player) for him. I think he's a marginal upgrade who I'd hope they sign if he becomes available.

[Kingspoint]

They'll likely release him unless someone gives up a pick for him because they're not keeping four QBs - unless they trade one of the other QBs. I don't know that Brandon Allen is a big enough upgrade over what they have now that I'd be giving up a draft pick (or player) for him. I think he's a marginal upgrade who I'd hope they sign if he becomes available.

I just think someone else will try to grab Brandon Allen upon his release, but why wait. I'm sure the 49er's would take a 2026 7th Round pick.

- - - Updated - - -

...and I think the 49ers will disagree with you that a team doesn't need 4 QB's. They'll probably try to talk him into going onto their practice squad.

[Kingspoint]

Brandon Allen's got to know that he's 3rd on the 49ers' depth chart even though, financially, Lance has to stay ahead of him. As soon as Lance is gone, Brandon Allen moves up a spot, and a season never goes by where the 49ers aren't using 2 or 3 QB's.

[UKFlounder]

49ers trade Lance to Dallas of all places for a mid-round draft pick.

[Boss-Hog]

I just think someone else will try to grab Brandon Allen upon his release, but why wait. I'm sure the 49er's would take a 2026 7th Round pick.

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...and I think the 49ers will disagree with you that a team doesn't need 4 QB's. They'll probably try to talk him into going onto their practice squad.You have to cut someone to sign them to your practice squad, and I think the Bengals would have signed him to their active roster had he been cut. With 53 roster spots, I can't imagine a team using four of them on QBs. It's a moot point, though, as Trey Lance was traded to Dallas, so Allen is presumably the 49ers' third QB.

[RiverfrontRed]

Kenny Pickett will be the second best QB in the AFCN this year, behind Burrow.

[JaxRed]

The question of whether to carry a 3rd QB on the 53 man roster will be one all teams will have to wrestle with. 49's might because they were the poster child for the new rule. Dallas is now almost forced to carry 3. I think Lance is officially a "project" but you can't can't keep him unless you put him on the 53. I think if they tried to put him on the practice squad some team will grab him on waivers.

For example, the Cards. You've got a hurt, kinda iffy star QB and a bunch of ragamuffins behind him. Everyone expects you to stink, why not grab Lance for "free" when Dallas just paid a 4th rounder? So I think Dallas has to carry 3 on the 53.

[Kingspoint]

49ers trade Lance to Dallas of all places for a mid-round draft pick.

Damn it!

That means we're stuck with those two turds we have.

[Sea Ray]

Damn it!

That means we're stuck with those two turds we have.

Our season was never going to turn on Brandon Allen. He was a below avg backup to begin with. The idea was that we'd improve the position by moving on. It's unfortunate that management failed on that endeavor

[Tony Cloninger]

Not wasting a 4th rounder on a guy who can’t even beat out Brandon Allen and at best will be a 3rd stringer. If he has to play your done anyways. They tried to sign the Dallas backup and he chose to go back to Dallas after talking to Dak. I would have preferred they spend money on a backup OL that’s better than Cody Ford.

[JaxRed]

Apparently Will Grier is the QB casualty in Dallas and was given the entire game to showcase his wares. He put up the best numbers I've ever seen from him 29/35 304 yards , 2 TD's no picks

[JaxRed]

Dak Prescott talked about Trey Lance coming to Cowboys and did not seem particularly happy about it.

[Kingspoint]

A lot of Rookie QB's have outplayed Veterans this off-season, and I'm not just speaking of the obvious three.

Plenty of QB's won't be able to slip through to their team's practice squad and their teams will have to decide to risk that or cut a Veteran (no, don't want anything to do with Mariota).

Bengals have plenty of options to get someone better than Siemian (and Brandon Allen). Don't want to hear the excuse "there's not enough time for that guy to learn the system", when it doesn't do any good for Siemian to know the system in the first place. Better to start from scratch with someone knew and give that guy a chance to prove he doesn't belong.

[Kingspoint]

The Lions are going to red-shirt 4th Rd pick, Tennessee's Hendon Hooker. They like what they saw in Bridgewater (they first contacted Teddy B in April, so they've had interest in him for some time). They were also in on the Trey Lance bidding. While it's a 90% certainty that Goff will get another contract, the price of QB contracts makes nothing a gaurantee and it's good due diligence to be prepared and not cornered into over-paying for any position (as the Bengals deftly have set up many of their positions Defensively through the draft the last two seasons).

At some point later in the season, they are going to want to take a look at Hooker, so I expect him to come off of the NFI list at some point and begin practicing with the team, but I doubt if that happens before November.

Nate Sudfeld's torn ACL in the final pre-season game was almost a premonition, so doing due diligence is always a good thing.

[Sea Ray]

Dak Prescott talked about Trey Lance coming to Cowboys and did not seem particularly happy about it.

Dak needs someone pushing him. He's already made $140mill and more guaranteed money is coming. Doesn't hurt to do things to keep him motivated

[JaxRed]

QB Cuts:

Cards cut Colt McCoy.
Vikings: Jordan Ta'amu
Bears: P.J. Walker
Jaguars: Nathan Roarke
Chargers: Max Duggan
Giants: Tommy DeVito
Commanders: Jake Fromm

[JaxRed]

QB Cuts Part 2:

Bengals - Trevor Siemian, Reid Sinnett
Bears: Nathan Peterman
Patriots: Mailik Cunnningham, Bailey Zappe, Matt McSorley
Bills: Matt Barkley to IR
Miami: James Blackman
Jets: Chris Streveler, Tim Boyle
Ravens: Anthony Brown
Browns: Kellen Mond
Steelers: Tanner Morgan
Texans: EJ Perry
Denver: Ben DiNucci
Chiefs: Chris Oladokun, Shane Buechele
Raiders: Chase Garbers
Cowboys: Will Grier
Giants: Tommy DeVito
Eagles: Ian Book
Lions: Adrian Martinez
Packers: Alex McGough
Panthers: Jake Luton
Cards: Colt McCoy, Jeff Driskel, David Blough
Rams: Brett Rypien, Dresser Winn
Seahawks: Holton Ahlers

[Kingspoint]

QB Cuts Part 2:

Bengals - Trevor Siemian

The Bengals are also waiving quarterback Reid Sinnett, per The Score’s Jordan Schultz, though they are interested in circling back on a practice squad deal. Sinnett could become Cincinnati’s emergency gameday quarterback, but the team would need to elevate him to its active roster to greenlight that prospect.

[Kingspoint]

I'd rather have 2 TE's, Chase as a Flanker, Higgins Wide and a Fullback and Mixon; and, let them hike the ball to Mixon or Chase, and go with no QB, than to have Siemian on the field.

Btw, Drew Lock looks really good, as good as his draft slot right now. Pete Carroll has salvaged his career just like he did Geno Smith's. Seattle now has two good QB's and should easily make the playoffs as a Wild Card this season with only 3 NFC East teams as competition for the Wild Card spots. No Wild Card will come out of the NFC North or NFC South.

[Kingspoint]

Bailey Zappe has been released.

Mac Jones is now the only QB on New England's roster.

[Kingspoint]

QB Cuts:

Cards cut Colt McCoy.
Vikings: Jordan Ta'amu
Bears: P.J. Walker
Jaguars: Nathan Roarke
Chargers: Max Duggan
Giants: Tommy DeVito
Commanders: Jake Fromm

From Gregg Rosenthal 8 days ago...

Undrafted rookie quarterback Tyson Bagent has a shot to beat out P.J. Walker for the Bears' backup job. The 23-year-old out of (*checks notes*) Shepherd University could be a boon for D-II representation. Walker has struggled in the preseason, although he was given $2 million guaranteed in the offseason. He's probably not going anywhere, but the Bears have to carry Bagent on their roster now because he's played too well to try to slip through waivers.

So, the Bears decided to eat the $2M and move on.

[JaxRed]

Apparently Will Grier is being signed to the Bengals Practice Squad.

[Sea Ray]

Apparently Will Grier is being signed to the Bengals Practice Squad.

I guess that means QB Reid Sinnett will not be on the PS

[JaxRed]

Post 53 Man roster QB movements: No QB's were claimed.

Bengals sign Will Grier to PS
Jaguars sign Nathan Roark to PS
Chargers sign Max Duggan to PS
Rams sign Tim Boyle to PS
Panthers waive Matt Corrall
Patriots sign Bailey Zappe and Malik Cunningham to PS
Browns sign P.J. Walker to PS

[JaxRed]

Further Post 53 Man roster QB movements:

Bears Sign Nathan Peterman to active roster

[JaxRed]

So heading into the season where did they end up?

AFC East

Buffalo: Josh Alleb, Kyle Allen PS - Shane Buechele
New England: Mac Jones, Matt Corrall PS - Bailey Zappe
NY Jets - Aaron Rogers, Zach Wilson PS - Tim Boyle
Miami - Tua Tagovailoa, Skylar Thompson, Mike White

AFC Central

Baltimore - Lamar Jackson, Tyler Huntley, Josh Johnson PS - Anthony Brown
Cincinnati - Joe Burrow, Jake Browning PS - Will Grier
Cleveland - Deshaun Watson, Dorian Thompson-Robinson PS - PJ Walker
Pittsburgh - Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky, Mason Rudolph

AFC South

Houston - CJ Stroud, Davis Mills, Case Keenum
Indianapolis - Anthony Richrdson, Gardner Minshew, Sam Ehlinger
Jacksonville - Trevor Lawrence, CJ Beathard PS - Nathan Roarke
Tennessee - Ryan Tannehill, Mailik Willis, Will Levis

AFC West

Denver - Russell Wilson, Jared Stidham PS - Ben DiNucci
Kansas City - Patrick Mahomes, Blaine Gabbert PS - Chris Oladukan
Los Angeles - Justin Herbert, Easton Stick PS - Max Duggan
Las Vegas - Jimmy Garappolo, Brian Hoyer, Aiden O'Connell


NFC East

Dallas - Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush, Trey Lance
New York - Daniel Jones, Tyrod Taylor
Philadelphia - Jalen Hurts, Marcus Mariota, Tanner McKee
Washington - Sam Howell, Jacoby Brissett PS - Jake Fromm

NFC North

Chicago - Justin Fields, Nathan Peterman, Tyler Bagent
Detroit - Jared Goff, Teddy Bridgewater IR - Herdon Hooker PS - David Blough
Green Bay - Jordan Love, Sean Clifford PS - Alex McGough
Minnesota - Kirk Cousins, Nick Mullens, Jaren Hall

NFC South

Atlanta - Desmond Ridder, Logan Woodside, Taylor Heinicke
Carolina - Bryce Young, Andy Dalton
New Orleans - Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Jake Haener
Tampa Bay - Baker Mayfield, Kyle Trask PS - John Wolford

NFC West

Arizona - Josh Dobbs, Clayton Tune PUP - Kyler Murray
Los Angeles - Matthew Stafford, Stetson Bennett PS - Brett Rypien
San Francisco - Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold, Brandon Allen
Seattle - Geno Smith, Drew Locke

[JaxRed]

Field Yates
@FieldYates
·
4h
The Raiders have restructured the contract of QB Jimmy Garoppolo, creating $17M in 2023 cap space, per source.

[JaxRed]

At his age, it's going to be tough doing those high leg-kicks....

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. kHnmR7Nb2icsl9uuDRgI4wHaD9%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=48c8453b311fff0a553c640af02d95e75814befd027425 397b977b058443f646&ipo=images

Very......

[JaxRed]

The #Rams have placed rookie QB Stetson Bennett on the reserve/NFI list, taking him off the active roster.

"Out of respect for him and the situation, I’m going to leave all of those specifics and particulars in-house." -- coach Sean McVay.

====================================

My money is on alcohol.

[JaxRed]

Brett Rypien moved to 53 man squad from PS to replace Bennett.

[JaxRed]

Jets moved Tim Boyle to active roster taking Aaron Rodgers spot.

[JaxRed]

Will Grier was just signed to Patriots active roster from Bengals.


With Will Grier going to New England, the Bengals now don’t have a QB2 on their roster if Joe Burrow can’t play on Monday night vs. the Rams.

[Sea Ray]

Will Grier was just signed to Patriots active roster from Bengals.


With Will Grier going to New England, the Bengals now don’t have a QB2 on their roster if Joe Burrow can’t play on Monday night vs. the Rams.

I can't imagine why the Bengals didn't designate Grier as one of their protected PS players

[Kingspoint]

I can't imagine why the Bengals didn't designate Grier as one of their protected PS players

Incredibly irresponsible and clueless.

[UKFlounder]

I’m not sure the protect 4 guys rule is still around this year.

It’s also possible he only agreed to sign to their practice squad if they agreed not to stop him from going g to a full roster.)

Maybe they die screw up, but I’m not sure anybody really knows.

[Sea Ray]

I’m not sure the protect 4 guys rule is still around this year.

It’s also possible he only agreed to sign to their practice squad if they agreed not to stop him from going g to a full roster.)

Maybe they die screw up, but I’m not sure anybody really knows.


Teams are allowed to protect up to four players on the practice squad each week. Other teams cannot sign these protected players.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-practice-squad-salary-eligibility-rules-2023/vuvavtn3mbkq68spwkb5k8pz

[UKFlounder]

Oops :lol:

[JaxRed]

The #Jets are signing veteran QB Trevor Siemian to their practice squad, pending physical, per source.

-------------------------

OK, forget trading for Cousins. Signing Siemian solves everything.

[oregonred]

I guess Joe Namath wasn't available