2025 College Football Coaching Carousel

[WVRed]

Openings:
LSU
Penn State
Florida
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Stanford

Potential Openings:
Auburn
Florida St
Kentucky
Wisconsin
Michigan St

Will try to do a prediction on these later. Will definitely be a wild ride this year.

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[bucksfan2]

Openings:
LSU
Penn State
Florida
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Stanford

Potential Openings:
Auburn
Florida St
Kentucky
Wisconsin
Michigan St

Will try to do a prediction on these later. Will definitely be a wild ride this year.

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If I am Wiscy or MSU there is no way I enter the coaching carousel this off season. Right now you have 3 of the top 10 jobs in the sport open. That will cause a cascading effect throughout the sport.

For example, lets say Kiffin leaves and Rhule leaves. That all of a sudden opens up Ole Miss and Nebraska, probably better jobs than MSU or Wiscy. All of a sudden you are getting a coach outside of your top tier of replacements, what could go wrong?

[Boston Red]

Openings:
LSU
Penn State
Florida
Oklahoma St
Arkansas
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Stanford

Potential Openings:
Auburn
Florida St
Kentucky
Wisconsin
Michigan St

Will try to do a prediction on these later. Will definitely be a wild ride this year.

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UCLA should keep Skipper as long as they also keep Neuheisel.

[Assembly Hall]

What are the odds that Dabo leaves Clemson for one of these top tier jobs?

[WVRed]

What are the odds that Dabo leaves Clemson for one of these top tier jobs?If it happens i think LSU is the pick.

Would have been my pick there if Woodward was making the call but i think they do something else.

Also Rhule has agreed to a contract extension with Nebraska.

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[bucksfan2]

What are the odds that Dabo leaves Clemson for one of these top tier jobs?

I wouldn't touch Dabo with a 10 foot poll at this point in his career.

I doubt Clemson would put up much a fight to keep him.

If he changes, he could potentially reinvent himself.

[WVRed]

If I am Wiscy or MSU there is no way I enter the coaching carousel this off season. Right now you have 3 of the top 10 jobs in the sport open. That will cause a cascading effect throughout the sport.

For example, lets say Kiffin leaves and Rhule leaves. That all of a sudden opens up Ole Miss and Nebraska, probably better jobs than MSU or Wiscy. All of a sudden you are getting a coach outside of your top tier of replacements, what could go wrong?I get that but would Wisconsin or MSU be on the radar of the top coaches in the cycle?

Plus there are candidates who may be worth looking at others wouldn't consider. Brian Kelly may be a candidate at Michigan St just based on local ties there. Dave Aranda at Wisconsin could be another.


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[Boston Red]

Congrats to Sumrall. He obviously took a job somewhere today.

[Assembly Hall]

Last time I checked Pat Fitzgerald is out there.


Urban endorses Hartline as well:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/urban-meyer-college-football-coaching-carousel-ohio-state-penn-state-lsu-florida-brian-hartline/

[Boston Red]

Rhett Lashlee won't be taking one of those jobs (not that I'd heard anyone mention him for one). SMU made him one of the highest paid coaches in college football.

[WVRed]

Wonder who gets fired after losing tonight? Mark Stoops or Hugh Freeze.

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[Assembly Hall]

Wonder who gets fired after losing tonight? Mark Stoops or Hugh Freeze.

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Mike Locksley?

[KronoRed]

Freeze is cooked, you have to try to produce an offense that inept, and this is year 3.

[WVRed]

Freeze is cooked, you have to try to produce an offense that inept, and this is year 3.A collective groan just came from the entire state of Kentucky.

Florida next week and Middle Tennessee State the week after that. If Kentucky starts a three game winning streak then they would need one of Vandy or Louisville to be bowl eligible.

That said, I have a better chance of getting together with Sydney Sweeney.

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[WVRed]

Freeze is cooked, you have to try to produce an offense that inept, and this is year 3.https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46819253/sources-auburn-fires-coach-hugh-freeze-2-plus-seasons

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[KronoRed]

Wonder how much truth there is here.

Penn State Reportedly Turns Down Urban Meyer (https://sports.yahoo.com/article/major-college-football-program-reportedly-223902005.html)

[WVRed]

Looks like Wisconsin is keeping Fickell.

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[Assembly Hall]

Looks like Wisconsin is keeping Fickell.

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I imagine the Badgers are gonna hit the portal hard with checkbook in hand.

[Boston Red]

Memphis v. Tulane tonight. Winner gets first pick of jobs in the carousel. Loser gets third pick (behind USF's coach).

[WVRed]

First shoe this week dropped with James Franklin to Virginia Tech.

Lane Kiffins family has been checking out Baton Rogue and Gainesville.

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[WVRed]

There is an interesting rumor that Penn State is gauging Kalen DeBoers interest.

If he leaves then Alabama becomes a player for Lane Kiffin.

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[Assembly Hall]

There is an interesting rumor that Penn State is gauging Kalen DeBoers interest.

If he leaves then Alabama becomes a player for Lane Kiffin.e

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https://x.com/CFBAlerts_/status/1992240621562835243?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Sea Ray]

There is an interesting rumor that Penn State is gauging Kalen DeBoers interest.

If he leaves then Alabama becomes a player for Lane Kiffin.

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I can’t imagine why he’d go from Alabama to Penn State. If he’s not loved in Tuscaloosa, make ‘em fire you and take the buyout. I think he’s done quite well following a legend.


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[WVRed]

A lot to look at:

Eric Morris to Okie Jr

Alex Golesh is the frontrunner at Arkansas

Jon Sumrall is the frontrunner at Florida with the condition he brings in an offensive coordinator who runs an "explosive" offense.

All eyes on Lane Kiffin and if he bails on Ole Miss to go to LSU.

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[KronoRed]

Jon Sumrall is the frontrunner at Florida with the condition he brings in an offensive coordinator who runs an "explosive" offense.


Group of 5 coach from a small school in Louisiana who wins a lot of close games and might need to be told he should hire someone who can score points.

Gee, I think I've seen this one before.

[WVRed]

Group of 5 coach from a small school in Louisiana who wins a lot of close games and might need to be told he should hire someone who can score points.

Gee, I think I've seen this one before.Florida fans i had read earlier in the week were about to go Schiano on the hire. Cant blame them. I could have seen Kentucky for Sumrall but Barnhart completely effed that up by not canning Stoops earlier in the year.

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[WVRed]

Looks like Lane is picking LSU. Announcement expected at 10 am.

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[RiverRat13]

Looks like Lane is picking LSU. Announcement expected at 10 am.

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Sounds like he knew he was going to LSU for some time but the hold up is that he wants to coach Ole Miss in the playoffs. No way Ole Miss can let that happen.

As an aside, I saw clips where Herbstreit and Saban were saying Ole Miss should let Kiffin coach them in the playoffs. Not coincidentally, those two are represented by CAA which also represents... drum roll please... Lane Kiffin.

[Assembly Hall]

Kiffin and LSU are meant for each other.

[WVRed]

Silverfield to Arkansas
Golesh to Auburn
Sumrall to Florida

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[RedTeamGo!]

Kiffin is an absolute scumbag

[UKFlounder]

Kiffin is an absolute scumbag

Or at least an attention *****.

[Reds Freak]

Kiffin is an absolute scumbag

And an average football coach. I don't get these schools tripping over themselves every cycle to throw gobs of money at him.

[dubc47834]

Lane Kiffin did himself no favors, but this is 100% on the NCAA rules for allowing this to happen. They need a system in place that doesn't allow contact until the season is over. Something similar to the NFL. I have no issues with Kiffin leaving for LSU, this is on the NCAA mainly.

[Boston Red]

It seems like Lane was pretty honest as this whole thing went down. I think it's crazy to leave right before the playoffs, but it's probably also crazy to turn down $100 million.

[Boston Red]

Wild day on the carousel. Glad to see Pat Fitzgerald back. He got screwed at Northwestern.

[MWM]

Is there anything worse a coach of 18-22 year old young men then to ditch them right as they are about to be in the playoffs for the first time? I don't but many coaches would do this. He should have told any team wanting to talk to him was going to have to wait until the season is over. If they wanted him bad enough, they could wait.

And LSU being willing to do this is almost as bad.

[Boston Red]

Sumrall and Eric Morris made the same decision.

[texasdave]

Defensive coordinator, Pete Golding, is the next head coach at Ole Miss.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ole-miss-wasted-no-time-finding-a-permanent-replacement-for-lane-kiffin/ar-AA1Rroxs?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=692cbb10ea384d0884799764387e7ac6&ei=15

[Reds Freak]

Sumrall and Eric Morris made the same decision.

I only partly blame the coaches. Like dubc says, the college system that allows this is a joke. What other league has playoff coaches leaving their teams before their first round games? College basketball is just as bad.

[dabvu2498]

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[WVRed]

Is there anything worse a coach of 18-22 year old young men then to ditch them right as they are about to be in the playoffs for the first time? I don't but many coaches would do this. He should have told any team wanting to talk to him was going to have to wait until the season is over. If they wanted him bad enough, they could wait.

And LSU being willing to do this is almost as bad.As much as Lane Kiffin deserves flack (and he does), this is a broken system that hopefully will embarrass the NCAA into doing something to fix it.

Teams have to have coaches in place for transfer portal and recruiting purposes. All it would take is moving deadlines to try to curtail it. That is why so many teams have fired coaches mid-season to get a start on getting the new coach in place.

I can understand a situation like Scott Frost leaving UCF to go back to his alma mater and them letting him coach in a bowl game but going to a team in the same conference the next state over Kiffin deserves everything he gets next year when LSU goes to Oxford. I really dont understand people pushing for him to coach in the playoff.

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[WVRed]

It seems like Lane was pretty honest as this whole thing went down. I think it's crazy to leave right before the playoffs, but it's probably also crazy to turn down $100 million.I could be wrong but I dont think money (for him) was a deciding factor.

LSU is committing $25 million toward NIL. Its the same thing that Arkansas basketball did to lure Calipari away from Kentucky. Its to the point that schools have to have a war chest of NIL funds and whoever has the biggest boosters will get the best coaches.

Another thing to consider:

Kiffin built the roster at Ole Miss exclusively through the transfer portal because the talent level in Mississippi isn't ideal and having to compete with Mississippi State for in state recruits. Its not a sustainable model though because you are constantly having to replenish or worry about someone poaching your players (Quinshon Judkins by Ohio State).

He isn't going to have that problem at LSU. He can essentially lock the state of Louisiana down with kids who dream of playing at LSU and supplement the rest through the portal. Instead of buying players the NIL money will likely be used like Ohio State and Georgia in retaining their own players.

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[Boston Red]

It's ALWAYS for the money.

[WVRed]

It's ALWAYS for the money.He did get a raise but Ole Miss likely could have matched it for him. What they couldn't match was NIL funding and resources. That was the deal maker for LSU.

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[*BaseClogger*]

Everybody forgets Pat Fitzgerald was 4-20 his last two years at Northwestern. I’ve always thought that had as much to do with his dismissal as the scandal.

[MWM]

I understand the system is broken. But Kiffin didn't HAVE to take this job. Had they had another loss and not in the playoffs, I wouldn't think much about it. But he is bailing on kids in their biggest moment. It's like that doesn't matter at all as long as a "better" job is out there. He wasn't forced to take the job. He should have stayed and seen it through then figured out his future later. I do t care that the LSU job won't be open. And it's not like wasn't getting rich from Ole Miss already.

[KronoRed]

Ask any Tennessee fan about the type of guy Kiffin is, I remember him calling recruits from Knoxville telling them not to enroll because he was heading west, sucks today for Ole Miss but they knew who they were hiring, LSU does too, if a few certain programs called tomorrow he would be out the door.

[KronoRed]

Lotta reddit chatter that it's over for Mark Stoops

[WVRed]

Lotta reddit chatter that it's over for Mark StoopsHes gone. Thank God.

Hopefully Penn State doesn't hire Jeff Brohm so we can get Will Stein. Id take him or Brian Hartline.

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[Sea Ray]

Is there anything worse a coach of 18-22 year old young men then to ditch them right as they are about to be in the playoffs for the first time? I don't but many coaches would do this. He should have told any team wanting to talk to him was going to have to wait until the season is over. If they wanted him bad enough, they could wait.

And LSU being willing to do this is almost as bad.

I agree Kiffin is a scumbag and nothing special as a coach but I also agree this is on the NCAA. There is no loyalty from anyone right now in NCAA football. Players enter the portal right before the postseason too


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[WVRed]

I understand the system is broken. But Kiffin didn't HAVE to take this job. Had they had another loss and not in the playoffs, I wouldn't think much about it. But he is bailing on kids in their biggest moment. It's like that doesn't matter at all as long as a "better" job is out there. He wasn't forced to take the job. He should have stayed and seen it through then figured out his future later. I do t care that the LSU job won't be open. And it's not like wasn't getting rich from Ole Miss already.

I honestly thought about betting on Mississippi State to cover or even moneyline on Friday in the Egg Bowl because I thought Kiffin would pull a Rich Rodriguez and throw the game. He really thought Ole Miss would let him coach which was asinine given he left for a school in the same conference.

What amazes me though is how Kiffin essentially used the media to try to bully Ole Miss into letting him coach. How many media members were saying he should have the chance including Saban?

Seeing Brian Daboll is a serious candidate for Penn State now. Seems like they've struck out on every candidate.

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[Boston Red]

But Kiffin didn't HAVE to take this job.

Of course he didn't HAVE to. And 99% of the kids going into the portal don't HAVE to. People change jobs. Just the nature of the beast. He's been at Ole Miss for 6 years now. That's an eternity in college football anymore.

[Sea Ray]

So who's going to coach (call plays) the offense for Ole Miss in their playoff game? Seems like a ****show is coming. Let's hope this gets the NCAA to do something about this

[Boston Red]

Those guys are used to a jack....err donkey like Kiffin. Well, the OG jack....err donkey is available. Bring in Bobby Petrino for playoff playcalling duties.

[RedTeamGo!]

Everybody forgets Pat Fitzgerald was 4-20 his last two years at Northwestern. I’ve always thought that had as much to do with his dismissal as the scandal.

I don't think anyone forgot about his last 2 years at NW

With that said, I kinda think Fitzgerald is a perfect hire for MSU. That program needs to get back to being a tough hard nosed defensive minded squad. That is what they were when they were at their best under Dantonio.

[bucksfan2]

I understand the system is broken. But Kiffin didn't HAVE to take this job. Had they had another loss and not in the playoffs, I wouldn't think much about it. But he is bailing on kids in their biggest moment. It's like that doesn't matter at all as long as a "better" job is out there. He wasn't forced to take the job. He should have stayed and seen it through then figured out his future later. I do t care that the LSU job won't be open. And it's not like wasn't getting rich from Ole Miss already.

Lane didn't have to go anywhere, and he could have said "I am going to coach Ole Miss until the season is over and decide after that." I wonder if LSU would have waited had he said that. But as soon as the Florida and LSU jobs came open, he played them and Ole Miss off of each other. Its an absolute screw job for all of his players and staff members.

Odds are Lane will be fired by LSU at some point. It happened to Miles, Orgeron, and Kelly. While the budget may be hire, the demand to win will be far higher. And for LSU, if a better job opens up, Lane gone.

[Sea Ray]

Lane didn't have to go anywhere, and he could have said "I am going to coach Ole Miss until the season is over and decide after that." I wonder if LSU would have waited had he said that. But as soon as the Florida and LSU jobs came open, he played them and Ole Miss off of each other. Its an absolute screw job for all of his players and staff members.

Odds are Lane will be fired by LSU at some point. It happened to Miles, Orgeron, and Kelly. While the budget may be hire, the demand to win will be far higher. And for LSU, if a better job opens up, Lane gone.

If Lane had waited LSU would have moved on because due to the dates set by the NCAA they'd have lost out on recruits/transfers. They can't afford to be without a coach on signing day. Lane can't afford to not be on the job on signing day

Yes, he will get fired by LSU but he'll also get generational riches in the form of a buyout when that happens. He's set for life

[bucksfan2]

If Lane had waited LSU would have moved on because due to the dates set by the NCAA they'd have lost out on recruits/transfers. They can't afford to be without a coach on signing day. Lane can't afford to not be on the job on signing day

Yes, he will get fired by LSU but he'll also get generational riches in the form of a buyout when that happens. He's set for life

He was already set for life.

Sometimes doing the right thing has consequences, thing with Lane, its always been about Lane. You should know that as a UT fan.

[RichRed]

Looks like JMU will be losing Bob Chesney to UCLA, but he will coach the team through the end of the season. Thanks for the wins, Bob - we hardly knew ye.

[Boston Red]

So that's four potential playoff coaches taking new jobs before their seasons ended.

[*BaseClogger*]

Brian Hartline hasn't waited this long to take a head coaching job at Kentucky :)

[MWM]

Brian Hartline hasn't waited this long to take a head coaching job at Kentucky :)

Better than Penn State for Buckeye fans. He's the reason so many elite receivers have come to OSU, but I doubt they change to Kentucky. I could see him doing great in recruiting at Penn State.

Very few hot coaching candidates are patient as they live with the belief that you have to take a HC job when offered, but I think Hartline should be patient and wait for the right one. I don't think UK is it. And if he waits another year of coordinating an offense with Julian Sayin, Jeremiah Smith, Chris Henry Jr, and Bo Jackson, the jobs he would be in a position to take would likely be better than Kentucky. Heck, I think he's be better off at a lesser conference with a program that has a chance to win it....like Jon Sumrall. Chances of being successful at Kentucky to the point he gets an elite job are slim, IMO.

[WVRed]

According to Matt Jones Will Stein is the favorite for Kentucky with Brian Hartline second.

The next tier is Dan Mullen and Neal Brown. Hopefully it doesn't get past the top two.

Stein would bring an offensive identity that Kentucky has been lacking under Stoops and is a Kentucky native. Hartline would be a major recruiting upgrade but if Ohio State would ever come open if he has any success would have to worry about losing him.

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[Sea Ray]

Tennessee head coach Josh Heupel tells
@clowfb
that he's NOT a candidate for the Penn State job❌

“I wouldn’t want low expectations. That’s part of why I want to be here. We’ll win big.”


https://x.com/On3sports/status/1995595075787915767?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1995595075787915767%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

:laugh:

[Boston Red]

Trinity grads at Louisville and Kentucky. That's gross.

Someone bring home Chad O'Shea!

[bucksfan2]

Better than Penn State for Buckeye fans. He's the reason so many elite receivers have come to OSU, but I doubt they change to Kentucky. I could see him doing great in recruiting at Penn State.

Very few hot coaching candidates are patient as they live with the belief that you have to take a HC job when offered, but I think Hartline should be patient and wait for the right one. I don't think UK is it. And if he waits another year of coordinating an offense with Julian Sayin, Jeremiah Smith, Chris Henry Jr, and Bo Jackson, the jobs he would be in a position to take would likely be better than Kentucky. Heck, I think he's be better off at a lesser conference with a program that has a chance to win it....like Jon Sumrall. Chances of being successful at Kentucky to the point he gets an elite job are slim, IMO.

Its hard to tell someone not to take a job that is going to pay you $5M/year guaranteed if you don't screw up. That said, if you are Brian Hartline, and you are coaching at your alma mater, you have completed a successful NFL career where you made your 2nd contract, you have the opportunity to be content and not chase.

As a fan I sure don't want him to leave, but logically, I don't know if he is ready. He has spent 12 games as the play-caller, 12 games as the OC, and really one off season as the head of the offense. If I am Hartline, another season or two of running the offense and learning under Day may not be a bad things.

I do wonder if he opts for the Kirby Smart type of path. Taking a job like UK is a tough task. Granted they aren't exactly apples to apples, but Chip Kelly last year considered the OSU OC job to be better than the UCLA head coaching job. You will make more at UK being the HC, but I think there is an argument that the OSU OC is a better job than the UK HC gig.

[Assembly Hall]

https://x.com/On3sports/status/1995595075787915767?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1995595075787915767%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

:laugh:

Now that gave me a good chuckle.

[WVRed]

Better than Penn State for Buckeye fans. He's the reason so many elite receivers have come to OSU, but I doubt they change to Kentucky. I could see him doing great in recruiting at Penn State.

Very few hot coaching candidates are patient as they live with the belief that you have to take a HC job when offered, but I think Hartline should be patient and wait for the right one. I don't think UK is it. And if he waits another year of coordinating an offense with Julian Sayin, Jeremiah Smith, Chris Henry Jr, and Bo Jackson, the jobs he would be in a position to take would likely be better than Kentucky. Heck, I think he's be better off at a lesser conference with a program that has a chance to win it....like Jon Sumrall. Chances of being successful at Kentucky to the point he gets an elite job are slim, IMO.




Its hard to tell someone not to take a job that is going to pay you $5M/year guaranteed if you don't screw up. That said, if you are Brian Hartline, and you are coaching at your alma mater, you have completed a successful NFL career where you made your 2nd contract, you have the opportunity to be content and not chase.

As a fan I sure don't want him to leave, but logically, I don't know if he is ready. He has spent 12 games as the play-caller, 12 games as the OC, and really one off season as the head of the offense. If I am Hartline, another season or two of running the offense and learning under Day may not be a bad things.

I do wonder if he opts for the Kirby Smart type of path. Taking a job like UK is a tough task. Granted they aren't exactly apples to apples, but Chip Kelly last year considered the OSU OC job to be better than the UCLA head coaching job. You will make more at UK being the HC, but I think there is an argument that the OSU OC is a better job than the UK HC gig.

Kinda the same consensus but anywho:

The benefits at UK though can be found in the coach they just fired. He is leaving Kentucky as the all time winningest coach after 13 seasons.

Do you think Stoops would have made it 13 years at any other school in the SEC or B1G? Maybe Vanderbilt or Northwestern.

If Hartline comes to UK, takes them to the playoff and leaves for Ohio State if Day decides to leave for the NFL or gets fired, there's a possibility they would build a statue or name the field or something after him. If he would go to Tennessee and leave they would name the sewer treatment plant after him.

Expectations are significantly lower in Lexington because of basketball. He also has a brother who was a QB and a coach here so there is a connection.

I do think Kentucky could compete for a CFP spot. How? Look at Ole Miss. Its a similar school with a similar pipeline to Kentucky. One more in state school to deal with for recruits yet Lane Kiffin managed to do it through using the portal. It can be done.

Not saying it would be easy though. Next season and 2028 are going to be a gauntlet for whoever gets it.

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[WVRed]

All that post for nothing.

Its Stein (Again, Thank God)

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/will-stein-will-reportedly-be-the-next-kentucky-head-football-coach/

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[WVRed]

Kalani Sitake to Penn State?

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[Boston Red]

Always liked old Will Stein. Terrible QB (he was a walkon and never supposed to play), but he seemed like a good dude. Often the best coaches weren't particularly good players.

Emphasis, by the way on liked. :)

[Boston Red]

Kalani Sitake to Penn State?

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What's crazy is that BYU can absolutely outbid Penn State if it's just about money.

[MWM]

Sitake (was a player at BYU when I was a student there) seems like a bad fit for Penn State. He's got no connections in the east or south. I always assumed BYU was his dream job.

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What's crazy is that BYU can absolutely outbid Penn State if it's just about money.

They have more money than just about any other school.

[WVRed]

Sitake (was a player at BYU when I was a student there) seems like a bad fit for Penn State. He's got no connections in the east or south. I always assumed BYU was his dream job.

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They have more money than just about any other school.The CEO of Crumbl cookies is now involved!

https://www.si.com/college-football/crumbl-cookies-ceo-involved-kalani-sitake-byu-penn-state-rumors

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[MWM]

The CEO of Crumbl cookies is now involved!

https://www.si.com/college-football/crumbl-cookies-ceo-involved-kalani-sitake-byu-penn-state-rumors

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They've also got the guy who started Qualtrics who now owns the Jazz, amongst others.

But the truth is no individual has anywhere near the money than the university (the Mormon church) has. Not sure how they're willing to spend on this but they're like the Saudis with golf in that a huge contract would be a rounding error for them. If they want him bad enough and money is a factor, no one could compete with them.

[RedTeamGo!]

I read that the church does not like to get involved with sports, though, is that incorrect?

The saudis are definitely an apt comparison to the mormon church

[Chip R]

If Lane had waited LSU would have moved on because due to the dates set by the NCAA they'd have lost out on recruits/transfers. They can't afford to be without a coach on signing day. Lane can't afford to not be on the job on signing day

Yes, he will get fired by LSU but he'll also get generational riches in the form of a buyout when that happens. He's set for life

Yeah. That's the big problem. Kiffin is scum, no doubt but if they advanced to, for example, the semis; they are playing into the 2nd week in January. The finals are the 4th week in January. That's an awful long amount of time to be without a head coach in this era.

[MWM]

I read that the church does not like to get involved with sports, though, is that incorrect?


The church is very very involved with BYU. And the church has a massive PR organization and are very focused on the church not being evolved in things. But it's just PR. It's not factual. Do the top brass involve themselves in decisions like coaches, don't know. And I doubt they'd pony up obscene amounts to retain a coach, but if they decided it was important, they have the resources to match anyone. But make no mistake, the church has their fingers in everything at the university. They've gotten so much bad PR internationally the last few years because of their level of wealth, so paying that much more a football coach may be bad optics...although, they're able to keep the details of the contract confidential unlike state universities who have to disclose coaching salaries.

There's also been some noise out there about how Sitake isn't happy how little autonomy he has there to run things the way he wants. If you know anything about BYU, that's not surprising at all. But he's always said this is his dream job and wants to be the Polynesian Lavell Edwards, so it's been a bit puzzling to me why he would leave. The autonomy thing actually makes sense. I think that was part of why Bronco Mendenhall left.

[Sea Ray]

Yeah. That's the big problem. Kiffin is scum, no doubt but if they advanced to, for example, the semis; they are playing into the 2nd week in January. The finals are the 4th week in January. That's an awful long amount of time to be without a head coach in this era.

The early signing period starts tomorrow. You pretty well need to have a coach by then

[UKFlounder]

Per Pete Thamel on X: Sources: BYU coach Kalani Sitake has begun to inform people that he intends to stay at the school. BYU is in the process of putting together a lucrative contract to keep him. He's been one of main targets at Penn State, which he informed of his decision today.

[Assembly Hall]

Didn't Penn St.'s AD promise a homerun hire?

[Boston Red]

Brohm got as high as 47% on Kalshi right after Sitake turned them down. Trending down now to 33%. I'd be surprised if it's him at this point. Can't see him leaving Louisville as Penn State's 7th choice.

Terry Smith is second at 24% right now. I'd probably put my money on him at this point in the process.

Hartline 20%
Daboll 12%
Brent Key 10%
Matt Campbell 10%

And some others

[Assembly Hall]

Hmmmmmm

https://nittanysportsnow.com/2025/12/mcshay-rift-between-jimmy-sexton-and-pat-kraft-slowing-penn-state-coaching-search/#google_vignette

[WVRed]

The church is very very involved with BYU. And the church has a massive PR organization and are very focused on the church not being evolved in things. But it's just PR. It's not factual. Do the top brass involve themselves in decisions like coaches, don't know. And I doubt they'd pony up obscene amounts to retain a coach, but if they decided it was important, they have the resources to match anyone. But make no mistake, the church has their fingers in everything at the university. They've gotten so much bad PR internationally the last few years because of their level of wealth, so paying that much more a football coach may be bad optics...although, they're able to keep the details of the contract confidential unlike state universities who have to disclose coaching salaries.

There's also been some noise out there about how Sitake isn't happy how little autonomy he has there to run things the way he wants. If you know anything about BYU, that's not surprising at all. But he's always said this is his dream job and wants to be the Polynesian Lavell Edwards, so it's been a bit puzzling to me why he would leave. The autonomy thing actually makes sense. I think that was part of why Bronco Mendenhall left.

The last part makes a lot of sense. I would imagine recruiting at BYU is akin to recruiting at Note Dame but possibly worse with the honor code.

I know when Mark Pope came to UK it was pretty much said UK was the only place Pope would have left BYU for.

Penn State has to be the biggest loser in this coaching cycle. They fired Franklin mid-season, have seen every candidate extract a raise from their school and even seen Kentucky fire their coach and hire the replacement in less than 24 hours.

Theres talk that Jimmy Sexton has had a major influence in the Penn State search as Franklin was a client of his. Makes sense.

Edit: Assembly Hall beat me to it.

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[Boston Red]

According to Kalshi, public sentiment seems to be on Penn State hiring Brian Daboll.

That would be some outcome.

[Boston Red]

Did Hartline publicly commit to stick with Ohio State or something? He's down to 1% on Kalshi for the Penn State job now.

Oh, he took the South Florida job. Nevermind!

[RedTeamGo!]

Did Hartline publicly commit to stick with Ohio State or something? He's down to 1% on Kalshi for the Penn State job now.

Penn State has made it clear they don't want to hire a young coordinator.

[Boston Red]

South Florida is a GREAT job for an up and comer, by the way. Should be at the top of the American every year with that recruiting hotbed.

[RedTeamGo!]

I am sure USF is a fine job, but surprised he didn't hold out another cycle for a big ten or SEC job. I think what happened here is he wanted the Penn State job and they told him they needed someone with HC experience and he decided to jump on USF job and will bolt in a couple years.

Watch Penn State promote Terry Smith to HC and then in a couple years hire Hartline.

[Boston Red]

I think this IS him holding out another cycle for a Big Ten or SEC (or the right ACC or Big XII) job. No one (including USF) expects him to be there long. In fact, they'll be disappointed if he's there more than a year or two, because it means he didn't win big.

[Sea Ray]

I am sure USF is a fine job, but surprised he didn't hold out another cycle for a big ten or SEC job. I think what happened here is he wanted the Penn State job and they told him they needed someone with HC experience and he decided to jump on USF job and will bolt in a couple years.

Watch Penn State promote Terry Smith to HC and then in a couple years hire Hartline.

It seems like he figured the USF job was his best bet for an SEC or Big Ten job. There'll never be more openings than this year and USF is the best that was offered

[Boston Red]

How can Penn State be sitting here without a coach on signing day letting Franklin pick through their commitments? They fired him two months ago!

It's hilarious since I'm not a Penn State fan.

[WVRed]

Just saw Roethlisberger pushing Penn Staten to hire Mike Tomlin.

Will never happen but its an interesting discussion.

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[Boston Red]

The Steelers are still in first place in the division. Penn State is going to wait 5 or 6 or 8 more weeks to hire their coach?

I guess anything is possible now that it's to this point.

[Sea Ray]

Coaching college is a completely different gig than the pros. I doubt it's Tomlin's thing. He's a hands off delegating NFL coach. In today's college football it'd take a lot more of his energy. Unless he really wants that challenge, I don't see this happening

[Boston Red]

I completely missed Jim Mora, Jr. leaving UConn for Colorado State. Good hire for the Rams. Mora did excellent work at UConn. They were a disaster when he arrived.

[Boston Red]

Chris Kleiman is retiring at K-State. Didn't see that one coming. Looks like former K-State QB Collin Klein will take over.

[WVRed]

The Steelers are still in first place in the division. Penn State is going to wait 5 or 6 or 8 more weeks to hire their coach?

I guess anything is possible now that it's to this point.Thats not going to last. They play the Ravens twice and the Lions in Detroit. As weak as the north is they would have to win the division to even make the playoffs.

Roethlisberger and James Harrison as well as Steeler fans have been pretty vocal about change. My guess is retirement or trade. Penn State isn't a player here.

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[Boston Red]

I don't think it's going to hold up, either, but they're not going to be out of the playoffs for several weeks in any event. No way Penn State is waiting for that.

[Boston Red]

Cross Brohm off the list for Penn State. He's told Louisville he's staying.

[Assembly Hall]

Manny Diaz to the Nits?

[MWM]

PSU is going to wind up giving the job to the interim guy. The existing players always want that to happen and this is no exception. But that seems short-sighted to me. I'm sure he's well loved but he's never even been a coordinator. I'm not sure how much national talent he will be able to get to come to happy valley.

[Boston Red]

Sure seems that way at this point. That's definitely not the direction they WANTED to go, but the job apparently isn't as attractive as they thought.

Reminds me a touch of Louisville basketball striking out on all their top candidates and lucking out that Pat Kelsey was still there and better at the job than most expected him to be. Penn State needs to find their Pat Kelsey.

[MWM]

I also thought when OSU replaced Cooper with Tressel, that was going to be a huge letdown. Youngstown State? That's it? And now you want him leading one of the elite programs in the country? Maybe Smith will be that guy. If he can get some hungry and innovative coordinators and just focus on the leadership, maybe he will make a good head coach. But he's not an X and O guy. He will need coordinators who are and who can recruit. The assistance coaches are often just as important as the HC or coordinators as well.

With the amount of Money they have, the facilities, the tradition, and the fact that they are less than a year away from a being razor close to the national championship, this would be a very attractive job. Lots of great high school players in Pennsylvania and they've never had a hard time attracting talent with pretty much any coach they had. I wonder if there's something more to this. It could also be that some of the candidates started to feel like a consolation prize and didn't want to accept that job under that pretense. Who knows.

[KronoRed]

The PSU debacle should put an end to the idea that the sooner you fire your coach the better because your now free to find the new one, PSU was the first out there and are still waiting.

[RiverRat13]

The PSU debacle should put an end to the idea that the sooner you fire your coach the better because your now free to find the new one, PSU was the first out there and are still waiting.

Kentucky and Michigan State did it the best this cycle - don't fire your guy unless you know for sure you already have the replacement in hand.

[Assembly Hall]

Kentucky and Michigan State did it the best this cycle - don't fire your guy unless you know for sure you already have the replacement in hand.

Maybe Penn St. had their replacement in hand? And then he backed out?

[MWM]

Kentucky and Michigan State did it the best this cycle - don't fire your guy unless you know for sure you already have the replacement in hand.

This exactly. Sources close to Kiffin and FSU said that FSU went through some backdoor channels to see if he would consider FSU. He had a connection in the past with the FSU AD, so I'm pretty sure they had some conversations. Had they thought Kiffin would take the job, Norvell would not have been retained. The better of the options was to keep Norvell another year. Penn State should have kept Franklin one more year, and they may have had they known all the good jobs that would be open shortly after they fired Franklin.

This whole saga from firing Franklin to the replacement search has been a debacle for the PSU athletic department and university. At this point, they may have no choice but to give it to Smith. Not sure how many coaches are going to want to be the 8th choice.

The big mistake was spending so much time and effort on Sitake. Not saying he wouldn't have left under any circumstances, but it was highly unlikely he wasn't staying at BYU, and they really should have known that. Maybe they wait to see if Alabama loses this Saturday, which could lead to Deboer wanting out (that's another one I think is unlikely, but not as much as Sitake).

I also wonder if the fact that their entire recruiting class had decommitted, with many of them following Franklin, factored into some coaches not wanting to go to Penn State.

[MWM]

Maybe Penn St. had their replacement in hand? And then he backed out?

Rumor had it they assumed Ruhle would take the job. But the AD and Ruhle are friends, so I have a hard time believing they didn't have that conversation. But who knows.

[WVRed]

Kentucky and Michigan State did it the best this cycle - don't fire your guy unless you know for sure you already have the replacement in hand.I really think the Sexton thing is true.

Stoops is represented by Sexton. That said, Kentucky hired a first time head coach who probably needed to strike while the iron was hot. Anyone with experience wouldn't have considered Kentucky.

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[WVRed]

This exactly. Sources close to Kiffin and FSU said that FSU went through some backdoor channels to see if he would consider FSU. He had a connection in the past with the FSU AD, so I'm pretty sure they had some conversations. Had they thought Kiffin would take the job, Norvell would not have been retained. The better of the options was to keep Norvell another year. Penn State should have kept Franklin one more year, and they may have had they known all the good jobs that would be open shortly after they fired Franklin.

This whole saga from firing Franklin to the replacement search has been a debacle for the PSU athletic department and university. At this point, they may have no choice but to give it to Smith. Not sure how many coaches are going to want to be the 8th choice.

The big mistake was spending so much time and effort on Sitake. Not saying he wouldn't have left under any circumstances, but it was highly unlikely he wasn't staying at BYU, and they really should have known that. Maybe they wait to see if Alabama loses this Saturday, which could lead to Deboer wanting out (that's another one I think is unlikely, but not as much as Sitake).

I also wonder if the fact that their entire recruiting class had decommitted, with many of them following Franklin, factored into some coaches not wanting to go to Penn State.I would think a new coach would want a clean slate and to bring in their players.

That said I saw Jon Sumrall retained all but one of Florida's recruiting class. Billy Napier did a good job of selling Florida and the University, he just didn't do good as an in game coach.

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[KronoRed]

Napier will make someone a good GM, he shouldn't be anywhere near an on field coaching job again.

[RedTeamGo!]

Kentucky and Michigan State did it the best this cycle - don't fire your guy unless you know for sure you already have the replacement in hand.

Not sure if hiring Pat Fitzgerald = doing it the best lol

[WVRed]

Not sure if hiring Pat Fitzgerald = doing it the best lolRegardless of if it does or doesn't, they basically had him lined up and ready to sign once they moved on from Smith.

Texas has done this for years. They did it with Herman and Sarkisian and in basketball with Sean Miller.

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[Boston Red]

Not sure if hiring Pat Fitzgerald = doing it the best lol

I think Fitzgerald will kill it there.

[WVRed]

Rumor had it they assumed Ruhle would take the job. But the AD and Ruhle are friends, so I have a hard time believing they didn't have that conversation. But who knows.At some point I wonder if the AD will be fired and someone else will take over the search ala Tennessee and Greg Schiano.

The AD should definitely be canned for the handling of the coaching search, especially when firing Franklin mid-season and still not having a coach after national signing day.

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[RedTeamGo!]

I think Fitzgerald will kill it there.

IDK, dude is basically a relic at this point. Can he coach in this environment?

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee is flipping all kinds of athletes and really closing the deal. They've jumped over every team but USC


Tennessee football currently holds the No. 2 recruiting class in the 2026 cycle, via 247.

https://x.com/RyanTSylvia/status/1996347206576853031?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1996347206576853031%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[Sea Ray]

Michigan gets a stud at RB


Five-star RB Savion Hiter has officially signed with Michigan

https://x.com/Rivals/status/1996560146739405251?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1996560146739405251%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

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Whoops, wrong thread. My apologies for these two posts. Coffee hasn't set in yet...

[RedTeamGo!]

Tennessee is flipping all kinds of athletes and really closing the deal. They've jumped over every team but USC



https://x.com/RyanTSylvia/status/1996347206576853031?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1996347206576853031%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Will be interesting to see if Legend Bey buys into Tennessee. Reports are because he is only 17 years old his mother had to sign off on his letter of intent, and she refused to sign unless he went to Tennessee. (why, I do not know), He was all Buckeye for months, even yesterday morning he was wearing OSU gear for his ceremony. This is the sad side of recruiting. I honestly hope he falls in love with Tennesee and he balls out, but I just cannot imagine forcing my kid to going to a school he or she doesn't want for my sake. He was quoted saying "I have to keep the peace with mom" for reason to flip to Tennessee. Just bizarre stuff.

With that said, when he turns 18 he is an adult legally and can do whatever he wants, will be interesting to see if he immediately transfers to OSU.

[dubc47834]

Maybe Penn St. had their replacement in hand? And then he backed out?

Or sign a long term contract at IU...lol

[WVRed]

Or sign a long term contract at IU...lolYou spelled Nebraska wrong.

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[dubc47834]

You spelled Nebraska wrong.

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100% possible. I know in Indiana, there was a lot of rumors that Penn St was going to try to swoop in and get him. That's why they signed him to a LTV pretty quickly!

[bucksfan2]

What was PSU supposed to do with Franklin? They went all in this year, bringing back key players, hiring away what they thought was the best DC from their rival. Yea I get it they almost went to the National Title game, but if you step back, their path was SMU and Boise St, hardly a murders row, and Franklin's problems showed up in the semis against ND.

I think Franklin is a good coach, but I also think he had run his course at PSU. If Jimmy Sexton is mad at PSU for what they did to Franklin, tell Franklin to be better. You don't get to go to the university and say you need XY and Z, get XY and Z, and then fall flat on your face without repercussions.

I do think the coaching market got upended by PSU, Florida, and then LSU all coming open within a few weeks of each other. Couple that with Florida and LSU bidding for Kiffen, it really put a pause in the market because hot coaches were waiting to see what the domino effect was.

FWIW PSU may have dodged a bullet with Ruhle, I don't know if is the answer in Lincoln.

[Boston Red]

Matt Campbell is the today's hot name at Penn State (after Sitake Monday, Brohm Tuesday and Daboll yesterday).

[WVRed]

What was PSU supposed to do with Franklin? They went all in this year, bringing back key players, hiring away what they thought was the best DC from their rival. Yea I get it they almost went to the National Title game, but if you step back, their path was SMU and Boise St, hardly a murders row, and Franklin's problems showed up in the semis against ND.

I think Franklin is a good coach, but I also think he had run his course at PSU. If Jimmy Sexton is mad at PSU for what they did to Franklin, tell Franklin to be better. You don't get to go to the university and say you need XY and Z, get XY and Z, and then fall flat on your face without repercussions.

I do think the coaching market got upended by PSU, Florida, and then LSU all coming open within a few weeks of each other. Couple that with Florida and LSU bidding for Kiffen, it really put a pause in the market because hot coaches were waiting to see what the domino effect was.

FWIW PSU may have dodged a bullet with Ruhle, I don't know if is the answer in Lincoln.

I dont disagree about Sexton but if you consider that he represents a good majority of head coaches including the majority of SEC schools that is a major problem.

Kiffin really didn't have anything to do with Penn State in the cycle. Everyone Penn State showed interest in got raises at the school they were at.

A scenario I dont see happening but everyone on this board would probably love, Bama loses to Georgia on Saturday, DeBoer goes to Penn State, and Bama comes open. Does Lane leave LSU for Bama or would they even look at him?

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[bucksfan2]

I dont disagree about Sexton but if you consider that he represents a good majority of head coaches including the majority of SEC schools that is a major problem.

Kiffin really didn't have anything to do with Penn State in the cycle. Everyone Penn State showed interest in got raises at the school they were at.

A scenario I dont see happening but everyone on this board would probably love, Bama loses to Georgia on Saturday, DeBoer goes to Penn State, and Bama comes open. Does Lane leave LSU for Bama or would they even look at him?

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I think PSU fired Franklin thinking they would be the best job on the market. And in years where OSU, Michigan, Bama, Georgia, and LSU aren't open, they were probably correct. But once LSU came open, it was the biggest. Kiffin wasn't going to take the PSU job, but what it did was create a waiting game by a lot of potential head coaches to see what jobs opened up. I think PSU is a better job than Florida, but others may want to live in Gainesville over Happy Valley. Lets say Kiffin decided he was going to stay at Ole Miss, that would see another top tier coach in the running for LSU.

Couple that with other schools flush with cash extending their current coaches. Could you imagine the IU coach turning down PSU a decade ago? Nebraska rushing to resign Ruhle because he had a promising start. Granted Franklin was a beneficiary of that whenever the USC job came open.

It wouldn't shock me of DeBoer ends up at PSU, I think Bama is a bad fit for him and PSU is a better one. But its tough to leave Bama if you are in the playoff.

[Boston Red]

But its tough to leave Bama if you are in the playoff.

He can always call Kiffin for some tips!

[RedTeamGo!]

Will be interesting to see if Legend Bey buys into Tennessee. Reports are because he is only 17 years old his mother had to sign off on his letter of intent, and she refused to sign unless he went to Tennessee. (why, I do not know), He was all Buckeye for months, even yesterday morning he was wearing OSU gear for his ceremony. This is the sad side of recruiting. I honestly hope he falls in love with Tennesee and he balls out, but I just cannot imagine forcing my kid to going to a school he or she doesn't want for my sake. He was quoted saying "I have to keep the peace with mom" for reason to flip to Tennessee. Just bizarre stuff.

With that said, when he turns 18 he is an adult legally and can do whatever he wants, will be interesting to see if he immediately transfers to OSU.

Wow, this might happen sooner than later. Reports from Pat Roach are saying Bey is asking to be let out of his NLI. He was very upset last night about his mother forcing him to go to Tennessee and is now standing up for himself. Good for him. What a horrible thing to do as a parent.

[KronoRed]

James Madison, tired of losing coaches to larger programs, hires Napier, good hire if you want to make sure nobody will be coming for him.

[MWM]

I have a colleague who is a JMU grad and he said he's all in on Billy Madison experience. Maybe that's why they hired him! :)

[WVRed]

Looks like Matt Campbell will be the next to get a raise from the botched Penn State coaching search.

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[MWM]

The people making the decision clearly do not want the interim guy, but apparently other schools do. This has been fascinating to watch.

[Assembly Hall]

Brian Kelly is available…


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[RichRed]

I’m not sure what to think of the Napier hire. He did have success at Louisiana in the Sun Belt prior to Florida, so we’ll see.

JMU has been on quite the hot streak with coaches dating back to 1999, with the worst winning percentage belonging to Mickey Matthews, but he also delivered an FCS championship. Those were under a different regime though. This is the first football coaching hire for the new AD/school prez combo. Here’s hoping they don’t screw up the winning streak!

Mickey Matthews 1999–2013 109–71 .606
Everett Withers 2014–2015 18–7 .720
Mike Houston 2016–2018 37–6 .860
Curt Cignetti 2019–2023 52–9 .852
Damian Wroblewski 2023 (interim) 0–1 .000
Bob Chesney 2024–present 20-5 .800

[UKFlounder]

The people making the decision clearly do not want the interim guy, but apparently other schools do. This has been fascinating to watch.

Like driving down a highway and rubbernecking at an accident scene.

[Chip R]

I have a colleague who is a JMU grad and he said he's all in on Billy Madison experience. Maybe that's why they hired him! :)

He is the smartest man alive.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f3/80/fc/f380fc4174aebce537c9c5fe9eedb1a5.jpg

[RedTeamGo!]

Billllllly passed the THIRD GRADE, oh what a wonderful DAY E AYYYYYY

[UKFlounder]

I’m seeing reports on X that PSU is close to a desl with Matt Campbell now

[Boston Red]

I’m seeing reports on X that PSU is close to a desl with Matt Campbell now

Campbell up to 93% on Kalshi.

[WVRed]

What's crazy about Campbell is he really is who Penn State should have been targeting all along. At least after Rhule and Cignetti turned them down.

His win-loss against ranked and top 10 teams isn't great but considering he did it at Iowa St with limited resources it will be interesting to see how he does.

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[WVRed]

Virginia Tech is hiring their former coach as defensive coordinator not even three months after firing him.

Pry and Franklin are pretty close though so it makes sense.

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[kaldaniels]

Virginia Tech is hiring their former coach as defensive coordinator not even three months after firing him.

Pry and Franklin are pretty close though so it makes sense.

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Well I’ve never seen that before.

[KronoRed]

Sounds kind of awkward but I guess most of the players he coached will have transferred out.

[dabvu2498]

Well I’ve never seen that before.

I have seen a lot of experts call it “unprecedented,” so it probably is a first.

Pry and Franklin have worked well together in the past. I’m amazed there’s someone in the coaching profession who is willing to put their ego aside like that, but good on Pry.

[UKFlounder]

Nm

[RedTeamGo!]

I have seen a lot of experts call it “unprecedented,” so it probably is a first.

Pry and Franklin have worked well together in the past. I’m amazed there’s someone in the coaching profession who is willing to put their ego aside like that, but good on Pry.

Dude will continue making 7 figures and doesn't have to move. Sounds like a win-win to me haha

[WVRed]

Mississippi State is kinda doing the same thing with Zach Arnett except a year later.

I kinda wonder with all these teams declining bowl bids if it will be the eventual end of the meaningless bowl games.

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[RichRed]

Dude will continue making 7 figures and doesn't have to move. Sounds like a win-win to me haha

Yeah but he has to live in Blacksburg. (Don’t mind me, I’m a lifelong VaTech hater.)

[WVRed]

Memphis just hired Charles Huff to replace Silverfield.

Going to predict he will be a power four head coach in a couple of years if not sooner.

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[UKFlounder]

Michigan has fired Sherrone Moore, supposedly for cause.

[*BaseClogger*]

Gonna be so many guys entering the portal.

[UKFlounder]

From a Michigan writer on X:

Statement from Warde Manuel:

U-M head football coach Sherrone Moore has been terminated, with cause, effective immediately. Following a University investigation, credible evidence was found that Coach Moore engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member. This conduct constitutes a clear violation of University policy, and U-M maintains zero tolerance for such behavior.

Biff Poggi has been appointed head football coach in an interim capacity, effective immediately.

[RedTeamGo!]

Moore had an "inappropriate" relationship with a staffer.

Just add it to the pile at Michigan. That program has been shady since 2020 and the media has just been like "sure, this is fine"

[WVRed]

Michigan has fired Sherrone Moore, supposedly for cause.Inappropriate relationship supposedly.

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[WVRed]

Moore had an "inappropriate" relationship with a staffer.

Just add it to the pile at Michigan. That program has been shady since 2020 and the media has just been like "sure, this is fine"Cant wait to see the Dave Portnoy meltdown that is about to commence.

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[KronoRed]

Gets swept under the rig if they weren't already looking for an exit.

[RedTeamGo!]

Cant wait to see the Dave Portnoy meltdown that is about to commence.

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Oh, I am sure Portnoy has zero problem with what Moore did.

[MWM]

They're going to go after Joe Brady I'm guessind. That would be the hire that would keep their QB.

[RedTeamGo!]

They're going to go after Joe Brady I'm guessind. That would be the hire that would keep their QB.

I bet Under(whelming)wood goes to Kiffin at LSU

[WVRed]

They're going to go after Joe Brady I'm guessind. That would be the hire that would keep their QB.Cant see it. Not a Michigan man and will probably be up for NFL openings.

Jesse Minter is one from the NFL that makes sense but see above.



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[WVRed]

Gets swept under the rig if they weren't already looking for an exit.If they were going to do that they would have done it earlier. With bowl season starting and the portal opening they are behind everyone else.

My guess is a lawsuit will be announced by the end of the week.

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[RedTeamGo!]

bowl season means nothing if you dont make playoff.

Pretty obvious, they waited until after signing day. So shady.

[WVRed]

bowl season means nothing if you dont make playoff.

Pretty obvious, they waited until after signing day. So shady.True but point being if they were looking for a reason they would have done it at a point beneficial to them. Right now is going to screw them over in the short term.

Could the commits be let out of their commitment? Its kinda like Bruce Pearl and Tony Bennett retiring right before the season and the portal closed.

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[RedTeamGo!]

its not being let out of their committment, its their national letter of intent, and I don't think so - they would have to transfer and forever be called "John Smith, THE TRANSFER FROM MICHIGAN, with the sack!" like they do with Julian Sayin even thought he was at Bama for literally 1 week.

[LiferJim]

Wow, we now know what kind of cheating Michigan won’t tolerate


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[Boston Red]

Their interim coach's name is Biff?

[kaldaniels]

Their interim coach's name is Biff?

What are you looking at butthead?

[kaldaniels]

Michigan has fired Sherrone Moore, supposedly for cause.

Horrible timing but getting rid of Moore is a win for UM, he was awful.

[WVRed]

Wonder if DeBoer would leave for Michigan once Bama gets bounced from the playoff and Lane Kiffins dream job opens up.

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[RiverRat13]

Horrible timing but getting rid of Moore is a win for UM, he was awful.

Yeah, there's zero chance he gets fired if they are 13-0 right now. It's a convenient excuse. Only Ohio State forces out successful coaches due to mild "scandals."

The timing does make me wonder if they have someone lined up. The rumors about this have been out there for a while.

[MWM]

Yeah, there's zero chance he gets fired if they are 13-0 right now.

He got his executive assistant pregnant. He absolutely would have been fired regardless. Because if the school had reason to investigate, you better believe reporters would have got wind of it as well and would have investigated. Once this news was public, he was gone no matter what. If you're saying it wouldn't been public, maybe, but in this day and age, it's highly unlikely it wouldn't have been discovered. And at that point, Michigan would have been in trouble for not doing anything about it.

And the rumors were always vague and didn't make a ton of sense. Now speculation is they've been investigating and some people caught wind of it and knew if they found something he would be fired.

[kaldaniels]

He got his executive assistant pregnant. He absolutely would have been fired regardless. Because if the school had reason to investigate, you better believe reporters would have got wind of it as well and would have investigated. Once this news was public, he was gone no matter what. If you're saying it wouldn't been public, maybe, but in this day and age, it's highly unlikely it wouldn't have been discovered. And at that point, Michigan would have been in trouble for not doing anything about it.

I wish I could have a fly on the wall for the “well guess what I’m keeping it!” discussion.

[MWM]

I wish I could have a fly on the wall for the “well guess what I’m keeping it!” discussion.

She didn't keep it, but I didn't want to mention that for fear of it derailing the thread, which I hope does not happen.

[MWM]

Jesse Minter has a 1 year show cause hanging over his head if he comes back to college football. That could be enough to make them move another direction.

[MWM]

Is Tom Brady tired of the booth yet?

[Boston Red]

Is he married?

[MWM]

Yes

[kaldaniels]

There’s a bit of “Moore was arrested/detained by police” stories out there right now. Are they legit?

[KronoRed]

There’s a bit of “Moore was arrested/detained by police” stories out there right now. Are they legit?

Rumor is he threatened self harm and then threatened the staffer.

Ugly stuff.

[MWM]

Rumor is he threatened self harm and then threatened the staffer.

Ugly stuff.

That's what I'm hearing as well from my Michigan peeps.

[MWM]

Is he married?

And 3 daughters.

[MWM]

Portnoy's initial reaction: "“Just literally got out of the shower, Sherrone Moore… fired!” Portnoy said in a video on X. “I feel like I know stuff, I don’t know stuff. I thought he was getting another year… I’ll just say this, and everybody better hear it loud and clear: we don’t play for 9-3 at Michigan… we play for national championships like we do in basketball."

"We missed the playoff two years in a row. At some schools, that might get you another year… not at Michigan. At Michigan, we play for national championships. Anything else is unacceptable. I’m a little surprised, but when you think about what it means to be a Michigan man, I’m not surprised. I wish Sherrone the best. Onward and upward. Great day to be a Wolverine, I think.”

[UKFlounder]

Portnoy's initial reaction: "“Just literally got out of the shower, Sherrone Moore… fired!” Portnoy said in a video on X. “I feel like I know stuff, I don’t know stuff. I thought he was getting another year… I’ll just say this, and everybody better hear it loud and clear: we don’t play for 9-3 at Michigan… we play for national championships like we do in basketball."

"We missed the playoff two years in a row. At some schools, that might get you another year… not at Michigan. At Michigan, we play for national championships. Anything else is unacceptable. I’m a little surprised, but when you think about what it means to be a Michigan man, I’m not surprised. I wish Sherrone the best. Onward and upward. Great day to be a Wolverine, I think.”

Intentionally ignorant of why Moore got fired, or just ignored it?

[Assembly Hall]

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/report-moore-detained-saline-pd

[RedTeamGo!]

Is he married?

With daughters

[MWM]

Intentionally ignorant of why Moore got fired, or just ignored it?

The former. He saw the headline that he was fired and his first instinct was to post on social media and not even click the link where it said why he was fired in the first 2 sentences.

Either that or Portnoy just couldn't understand what was wrong with having an affair with an attractive young woman who happened to be his assistant, and why that would get him fired.

[WVRed]

The former. He saw the headline that he was fired and his first instinct was to post on social media and not even click the link where it said why he was fired in the first 2 sentences.

Either that or Portnoy just couldn't understand what was wrong with having an affair with an attractive young woman who happened to be his assistant, and why that would get him fired.He followed up with saying Michigan should double the offer to Lane Kiffin to get him away from LSU.

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[MWM]

He followed up with saying Michigan should double the offer to Lane Kiffin to get him away from LSU.


Those 2 are a match made in heaven. Maybe Portnoy should follow suit and become an LSU fan.

As a proud Michigan alumnus, I would never want Lane Kiffin associated with the university.

[UKFlounder]

I just read a couple of his posts. Pure garbage.

[WVRed]

I just read a couple of his posts. Pure garbage.In a post I wont quote due to language he mentions Gruden as his top pick.



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[Fil3232]

What in the world is going on in Ann Arbor? Lack of institutional control, anybody?

At least Michigan can give up their assumed moral high ground after the last several years.

[RiverRat13]

He got his executive assistant pregnant. He absolutely would have been fired regardless. Because if the school had reason to investigate, you better believe reporters would have got wind of it as well and would have investigated. Once this news was public, he was gone no matter what. If you're saying it wouldn't been public, maybe, but in this day and age, it's highly unlikely it wouldn't have been discovered. And at that point, Michigan would have been in trouble for not doing anything about it.

And the rumors were always vague and didn't make a ton of sense. Now speculation is they've been investigating and some people caught wind of it and knew if they found something he would be fired.

When it comes out that Michigan knew about this for months, it's going to be hard to argue that he was getting fired no matter what.

[RedTeamGo!]

When it comes out that Michigan knew about this for months, it's going to be hard to argue that he was getting fired no matter what.

It’s already out, multiple have already said this has been known for at least a month.

[WVRed]

It’s already out, multiple have already said this has been known for at least a month.If thats the case i would imagine there would be more heads rolling (AD)

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[MWM]

If Michigan knew about it, and I don't mean just had some evidence but really knew for sure about it, for months and waited until after the season, that's a bad look and I would be incredibly disappointed. What I can't figure is why they would wait as long as they did given how many jobs were open and that they would be missing out on top candidates.

The one plausible justification for waiting could be if the lawyers said they had to wait to be able to terminate him without any legal ramifications. The lawyers are usually the ones making those decisions. But otherwise, they should have moved on it as soon as there was incontrovertible evidence. I'm going to wait and see what tue evidence says, which I'm guessing most everyone else will not.

[Assembly Hall]

Watching Barstool right now. Portnoy is a tool.

[Sea Ray]

"Michigan is the cheating-est program in the history in the history of college football Nobody has had more suspensions nobody has cheated worse than Michigan"

https://x.com/Outkick/status/1996308458761781718?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1996408337295200709%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=

[RedTeamGo!]

Watching Barstool right now. Portnoy is a tool.

Yupppp

[Assembly Hall]

https://x.com/Outkick/status/1996308458761781718?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1996408337295200709%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=

LOL. Dakich? The man that gets fired everywhere he goes?

[Sea Ray]

LOL. Dakich? The man that gets fired everywhere he goes?

Does that make him wrong with what he said?

[Boston Red]

Does JOHN Harbaugh have any interest in the college game? Seems like he might be looking for a job soon.

[WVRed]

Does JOHN Harbaugh have any interest in the college game? Seems like he might be looking for a job soon.Hes been floated. All eyes are on Kalen DeBoer right now.

I look for Michigan to hire a "Michigan man" but to be fair there isn't one out there with Michigan ties that wouldn't constitute a show cause. They would be best served to cut ties with anyone from the Harbaugh tree, brother included.

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[Assembly Hall]

Does that make him wrong with what he said?

He's a shock jock. There is a reason he gets fired. And I don't recall any Michigan cheating before Harbaugh got there. It aint like they are Bama, Auburn, or Tennessee.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't think there is any way Michigan will go back to the Harbaugh coaching tree (other than Jesse Minter) - since 2020 7 of Harbaugh's assistants and staffers have been fired for scandals. SEVEN.

[Sea Ray]

Does JOHN Harbaugh have any interest in the college game? Seems like he might be looking for a job soon.

If he does now would be the time to make the move. My guess is he does not. It's rare for head coaches to make this jump. I think guys are generally one or the other. I sure wouldn't want to jump into college coaching right now seeing as your players can jump ship at any time

[Assembly Hall]

Hes been floated. All eyes are on Kalen DeBoer right now.

I look for Michigan to hire a "Michigan man" but to be fair there isn't one out there with Michigan ties that wouldn't constitute a show cause. They would be best served to cut ties with anyone from the Harbaugh tree, brother included.

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Jedd Fisch coached at Michigan.

[Slyder]

https://x.com/Outkick/status/1996308458761781718?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1996408337295200709%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=

Dan Jockitch is still trying to be relevant?


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[Boston Red]

He did about 15 years as a college assistant before jumping into the NFL, so it wouldn't be completely foreign to John. Obviously the college game has changed a lot.

Didn't realize until this morning that he went to school at the Cradle of Coaches.

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan started investigating this the end of October,

[Slyder]

Does that make him wrong with what he said?

Just surprised anyone would still give him a job or that he’d need one after 30 years in sports.


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[Assembly Hall]

Dan Jockitch is still trying to be relevant?


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Even Indiana produces idiots.

[Sea Ray]

He's a shock jock. There is a reason he gets fired. And I don't recall any Michigan cheating before Harbaugh got there. It aint like they are Bama, Auburn, or Tennessee.

No, actually many things came up during Lloyd Carr's reign

https://mwolverine.com/Scandals_Michigan.html

[RedTeamGo!]

Did Bo cover up sexual assault scandal as well?

[Slyder]

Even Indiana produces idiots.

I do have to say thank you to him for not wasting WVUs time, we ended up better off with the guy who replaced him (Beilien) than he ever accomplished anywhere in media or coaching.


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[Assembly Hall]

I do have to say thank you to him for not wasting WVUs time, we ended up better off with the guy who replaced him (Beilien) than he ever accomplished anywhere in media or coaching.


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Dakich was on Sampson's staff when all that stuff went down at IU.

[Boston Red]

Dakich was on Sampson's staff when all that stuff went down at IU.

Wasn't that scandal over sending too many texts or something hilariously trivial given current standards? Xavier got Tu Holloway and Jordan Crawford out of that, and Houston gets a dynasty. Wild.

[RiverRat13]

I saw that Moore is the 8th Michigan football staffer to be arrested during the Harbaugh/Moore era. That seems like a lot.

[Boston Red]

I saw that Moore is the 8th Michigan football staffer to be arrested during the Harbaugh/Moore era. That seems like a lot.

You expect a few 18-22 year old players to do the occasional stupid thing and get arrested. Coaches? Not so much.

[Assembly Hall]

Wasn't that scandal over sending too many texts or something hilariously trivial given current standards? Xavier got Tu Holloway and Jordan Crawford out of that, and Houston gets a dynasty. Wild.

Yes that was trivial. The players not going to class and flunking drug tests was not.

[WVRed]

I don't think there is any way Michigan will go back to the Harbaugh coaching tree (other than Jesse Minter) - since 2020 7 of Harbaugh's assistants and staffers have been fired for scandals. SEVEN.MWM said earlier in this thread that Minter has one year left on his show cause. That plus the possibility of a NFL job would likely not make him a candidate.

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[*BaseClogger*]

I bet Under(whelming)wood goes to Kiffin at LSU

Do they want him?

[RedTeamGo!]

MWM said earlier in this thread that Minter has one year left on his show cause. That plus the possibility of a NFL job would likely not make him a candidate.

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Minter's show cause is up in April.

- - - Updated - - -


Do they want him?

I think they probably would

[WVRed]

Do they want him?He committed there before flipping to Michigan. Hard to tell what Kiffin does though (in more ways than one if Bama comes open).

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[RiverRat13]

Jim Lachey always says when he played the Ohio State vs. Michigan game was by far the hardest hitting game of the year but it was always the cleanest. It feels like that part of the rivalry has been lost the last few years. As an OSU fan, I obviously want the Bucks to win that game each year. But this is also a chance to restore some of the honor to the game by Michigan cleaning house and bringing in a really good coach who will do things the right way.

[*BaseClogger*]

I’m just saying what I saw from Underwood during the 2025 season didn’t scream “day 1 stater at a huge program like LSU” material.

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m just saying what I saw from Underwood during the 2025 season didn’t scream “day 1 stater at a huge program like LSU” material.

To be fair, I think he has a lot of raw talent. Michigan didn't develop him at all

[WVRed]

To be fair, I think he has a lot of raw talent. Michigan didn't develop him at allYou also dont take a true freshman and throw them to the wolves. He would have been better served sitting out last season and learning with a portal QB starting for one year. Ohio State did it right with Will Howard and Julian Sayin.

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[Boston Red]

I learned today that Moore was on Kragthorpe's and Strong's staffs at Louisville and got a master from UofL. Had no idea. I guess he met his wife in Louisville (she's a Louisville native).

[MWM]

Underwood shows flashes of the talent this year but was wildly inconsistent. I talk to a lot of die hard Michigan fans a lot and the consensus is that the offensive coaching wasn't the best, and they question the play calling. They took a very conservative approach this year. Even before all this went down, in general, people thought Moore should stay the coach for another year, but that next year was the year the offense was going to have to take a big leap forward. Moore wasn't the most popular coach ever, but he wasn't disliked by most MIchigan fans I know.

[WVRed]

One name that Michigan should probably call but wont:

Kenny Dillingham.

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[Sea Ray]

He committed there before flipping to Michigan. Hard to tell what Kiffin does though (in more ways than one if Bama comes open).

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I can’t see Kiffin as a fit for Michigan. Does he have any Midwest connections?

I don’t see why we’re not hearing PJ Fleck mentioned as a possibility in Ann Arbor. I think he’d be a good fit


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[Sea Ray]

One name that Michigan should probably call but wont:

Kenny Dillingham.

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He’s being mentioned. He was mentioned third in this article

https://thescore.com/ncaaf/news/3424293


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[WVRed]

I can’t see Kiffin as a fit for Michigan. Does he have any Midwest connections?

I don’t see why we’re not hearing PJ Fleck mentioned as a possibility in Ann Arbor. I think he’d be a good fit


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI was referring to DeBoer going to Michigan (who coached at Eastern Michigan) and Kiffin going to Alabama where there is an obvious connection.

Plus referring to what Kiffin does in recruiting a QB. Sam Leavitt will be available among others.

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[Boss-Hog]

I was referring to DeBoer going to Michigan (who coached at Eastern Michigan) and Kiffin going to Alabama where there is an obvious connection.

Sent from my SM-S936U using TapatalkNot to say this would be a deal breaker for a school like Alabama, but wouldn't Alabama have to pay a very hefty buy-out to LSU plus quite a bit in salary to make the jump worth Kiffin's while?

[WVRed]

Not to say this would be a deal breaker for a school like Alabama, but wouldn't Alabama have to pay a very hefty buy-out to LSU plus quite a bit in salary to make the jump worth Kiffin's while?I would imagine but its been pretty well known that Bama is Kiffins dream job. Question is knowing that plus the drama he brings would they do it? Im thinking no but the scenario has definitely been floated.

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[Boss-Hog]

I would imagine but its been pretty well known that Bama is Kiffins dream job. Question is knowing that plus the drama he brings would they do it? Im thinking no but the scenario has definitely been floated.

Sent from my SM-S936U using TapatalkYeah, I get the natural curiosity - I just want to make sure I understand the financial barriers, if there even are any, if this were to be a possibility if DeBoer leaves.

[RedTeamGo!]

I would imagine but its been pretty well known that Bama is Kiffins dream job.

This is such a crock. USC was Kiffin's "dream job"

That is just BS Kiffin and his agent float to make him seem less scummy. That dude's dream job is the one that pays him the most, which is fine, but just be honest about it Lane.

[Sea Ray]

Not to say this would be a deal breaker for a school like Alabama, but wouldn't Alabama have to pay a very hefty buy-out to LSU plus quite a bit in salary to make the jump worth Kiffin's while?

I was amazed to see that Kiffin’s buyout if he leaves before 2027 is only $7 mill. Can’t believe schools agree to terms like that considering their payout if they fire him is over $50 million


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[Boss-Hog]

I was amazed to see that Kiffin’s buyout if he leaves before 2027 is only $7 mill. Can’t believe schools agree to terms like that considering their payout if they fire him is over $50 million


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat is surprising to hear for the reason you mentioned, especially for a flight risk like Kiffin, and would definitely not be cost prohibitive for Alabama.

[bucksfan2]

Underwood shows flashes of the talent this year but was wildly inconsistent. I talk to a lot of die hard Michigan fans a lot and the consensus is that the offensive coaching wasn't the best, and they question the play calling. They took a very conservative approach this year. Even before all this went down, in general, people thought Moore should stay the coach for another year, but that next year was the year the offense was going to have to take a big leap forward. Moore wasn't the most popular coach ever, but he wasn't disliked by most MIchigan fans I know.

I understood why Underwood went to Michigan ($$$$$) and also being from near by. But it was a risk going to a new offensive regime that didn't have a track record in developing QB's. IMO the idea all along may have been to start Mikey Keene, but he was hurt to start the season and Underwood was the guy. I thought I heard that they put too much on his plate vs Oklahoma, then took too much off his plate the rest of the season. He wasn't developed very well, and it showed against OSU.

As for Moore, this may be a blessing for Michigan fans. Moore at the time was really the only move they could have made. He won The Game, was the OC on a staff that won the natty, they couldn't really have gone elsewhere when Harbaugh left. He did start off behind the 8 ball with Harbaugh's leaving, but his 2024 season was pretty poor with the exception of the OSU win. This year they pretty much finished with the worst possible record a Michigan team should finish with considering the schedule they played. I don't know if Moore was the guy for Michigan, and getting off without having to pay a buyout may not be a bad thing.

As for the new coach, timing is an issue. Jessie Minter has a show clause until April and is the DC of a NFL team that is going to the playoffs. Even if you want DeBoer (would Bama fans be sad to see him go?) he is going to wait until the playoffs are over. NFL coaches or assistant coaches are pretty much off limits until the season ends. They have to get a coach before the portal opens, especially one who is going to do damage control. If Michigan knew this was the result, they did those kids who signed dirty.

How does Ward Manuel still have job. Ever since Covid, that university has turned a blind eye to everything going on within that program.

[RiverRat13]

I was amazed to see that Kiffin’s buyout if he leaves before 2027 is only $7 mill. Can’t believe schools agree to terms like that considering their payout if they fire him is over $50 million


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Kiffin had all of the leverage. That's why these deals are so one-sided. LSU was bidding against Ole Miss and wasn't willing to walk away from bad terms.

[RedTeamGo!]

I understood why Underwood went to Michigan ($$$$$) and also being from near by. But it was a risk going to a new offensive regime that didn't have a track record in developing QB's. IMO the idea all along may have been to start Mikey Keene, but he was hurt to start the season and Underwood was the guy. I thought I heard that they put too much on his plate vs Oklahoma, then took too much off his plate the rest of the season. He wasn't developed very well, and it showed against OSU.

As for Moore, this may be a blessing for Michigan fans. Moore at the time was really the only move they could have made. He won The Game, was the OC on a staff that won the natty, they couldn't really have gone elsewhere when Harbaugh left. He did start off behind the 8 ball with Harbaugh's leaving, but his 2024 season was pretty poor with the exception of the OSU win. This year they pretty much finished with the worst possible record a Michigan team should finish with considering the schedule they played. I don't know if Moore was the guy for Michigan, and getting off without having to pay a buyout may not be a bad thing.

As for the new coach, timing is an issue. Jessie Minter has a show clause until April and is the DC of a NFL team that is going to the playoffs. Even if you want DeBoer (would Bama fans be sad to see him go?) he is going to wait until the playoffs are over. NFL coaches or assistant coaches are pretty much off limits until the season ends. They have to get a coach before the portal opens, especially one who is going to do damage control. If Michigan knew this was the result, they did those kids who signed dirty.

How does Ward Manuel still have job. Ever since Covid, that university has turned a blind eye to everything going on within that program.

I think UM was planning on firing Moore for a minute and definitely deliberately waited until after signing day to fire with cause. I thought it was odd Jedd Fisch didn't take Florida. I think Fisch has been planning on going to Michigan for a minute. I bet they wait a week or two and announce him as the hire.

[RedTeamGo!]

First Michigan recruit from this year's class just announced he asked to be and was released from his NLI - a top 250 recruit nationally, a TE. That program is going to implode.

[Boston Red]

How does Ward Manuel still have job.

They just won a national championship in football, and the basketball coach he hired turned Juwan Howard's dumpster fire program into freight train murdering everything in its path in just over a year.

But I DO think Ward owes me about 350 bucks. I'm supposed to be flying to Detroit tonight to go to a Michigan vs. Western Michigan vs. Eastern Michigan gymnastics meet at the Crisler Center tomorrow night. Those jerks cancellled the meet a WEEK ago and blamed it on academic compliance.

In summary, FIRE WARD MANUEL!!!!!!

[RedTeamGo!]

They just won a national championship in football, and the basketball coach he hired turned Juwan Howard's dumpster fire program into freight train murdering everything in its path in just over a year.

But I DO think Ward owes me about 350 bucks. I'm supposed to be flying to Detroit tonight to go to a Michigan vs. Western Michigan vs. Eastern Michigan gymnastics meet at the Crisler Center tomorrow night. Those jerks cancellled the meet a WEEK ago and blamed it on academic compliance.

In summary, FIRE WARD MANUEL!!!!!!

They won a national title but no thanks to him, he wanted Harbaugh fired back in 2020. Also, it is a tainted national title to everyone that isn't a Michigan fan.

Also, he hired Dusty May, but he also hired Juwan Howard, lol.

At the end of the day, I think the boosters that consider themselves true "Michigan Men" have had enough of being in the news for all the wrong reasons. You have the basketball program on fire right now and probably the best team in the country, and meanwhile this Sherrone Moore stuff is going to dominate the headlines.

[MWM]

I think UM was planning on firing Moore for a minute and definitely deliberately waited until after signing day to fire with cause.

What evidence have you seen to support this? Or is this just speculation without any?

[bucksfan2]

I think UM was planning on firing Moore for a minute and definitely deliberately waited until after signing day to fire with cause. I thought it was odd Jedd Fisch didn't take Florida. I think Fisch has been planning on going to Michigan for a minute. I bet they wait a week or two and announce him as the hire.

Is Jedd Fisch the guy? Michigan is/should be a top 5, blue blood type program, who can get what coach they want. The only coach they probably couldn't have gotten in this cycle was Kiffin, but I doubt that would have been a good fit. But if this is circulation and Michigan knows about it, why wait? Why not tell Moore, this is what we have, resign and it stays as buried as we can keep it.

They let the entire coach hiring cycle play out. They had top tier programs like LSU, UF, and PSU hire coaches. They let hot coaches get extensions to remain at their school. Michigan should be able to go out and get one of the 5-10 best coaches in the game right now. If they "settled" on Jedd Fisch, that is one heck of a risk to take. Maybe he gets the job and is great, but is a massive risk.

[MWM]

Is Jedd Fisch the guy? Michigan is/should be a top 5, blue blood type program, who can get what coach they want. The only coach they probably couldn't have gotten in this cycle was Kiffin, but I doubt that would have been a good fit. But if this is circulation and Michigan knows about it, why wait? Why not tell Moore, this is what we have, resign and it stays as buried as we can keep it.

They let the entire coach hiring cycle play out. They had top tier programs like LSU, UF, and PSU hire coaches. They let hot coaches get extensions to remain at their school. Michigan should be able to go out and get one of the 5-10 best coaches in the game right now. If they "settled" on Jedd Fisch, that is one heck of a risk to take. Maybe he gets the job and is great, but is a massive risk.

That's exactly how I've been looking at it. I can't see how it make sense to wait when you knew you were firing him. Recruits are not going to stay with Michigan because they waited until after signing day. I've been through having to terminate people enough times to know you can't half ass it. The lawyers aren't going to let you be hasty about it. The would have been much better served to do it even before the OSU game.