The Lebron saga

[jredmo2]

Thought this deserves it's own thread, since Lebron isn't in the playoffs, and this whole thing is about to explode (if it hasn't already).

Thought this article was interesting:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebroncalipari051410

Worldwide Wes is the shadiest non-PED guy in sports. The one positive I can take away from this is the almost guaranteed UK NCAA investigation.

[WVRed]

From Coach Cal's Twitter:


I’ve said many times that I’ve got the best job in the country. Still the speculation runs wild and I can’t stop that…I want to address this with the Big Blue Nation one last time, I will be coaching at Kentucky next year. Now let’s finish what we started!

[Cedric]

Thought this deserves it's own thread, since Lebron isn't in the playoffs, and this whole thing is about to explode (if it hasn't already).

Thought this article was interesting:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebroncalipari051410

Worldwide Wes is the shadiest non-PED guy in sports. The one positive I can take away from this is the almost guaranteed UK NCAA investigation.

I'm glad for Calipari. It's going to be the second time that Kentucky burns down.

[Slyder]

To quote someone from ESPN:

49% chance he ends up staying
49% chance he ends up with the Knicks
2% chance he ends up with the Nets

No one else will matter.

[Eric_the_Red]

To quote someone from ESPN:

49% chance he ends up staying
49% chance he ends up with the Knicks
2% chance he ends up with the Nets

No one else will matter.

Why not the Bulls?

[Boston Red]

I'm glad for Calipari. It's going to be the second time that Kentucky burns down.

Third.

[Caveat Emperor]

Why not the Bulls?

Would you want to be forever held up and compared (usually unfavorably) to the greatest basketball player (possibly greatest modern-era athlete) in history? Because that's what going to Chicago would be -- an endless string of "Jordan would have..." statements. LeBron is more likely to stay in Cleveland than go to Chicago, IMO.

He'll be a Knick or a Net by the end of the summer. I'd bet a significant sum of money on it.

[cumberlandreds]

Why not the Bulls?

Michael Jordan. If he signed with them he would always be compared to Jordan. He would always be asked, Why haven't you won six championships,score 30 ppg and lock down you opponent on defense every night? I would find it very hard to believe James wants this type of scrutiny 24/7 if he went to the Bulls. I think he will either sign back with Cleveland or to NYC with the Knicks or Nets.

[Eric_the_Red]

You think he (and Kobe) aren't already compared to Jordan? You don't think they view Jordan's career as "the goal" themselves?

Chicago, with Rose & Noah, gives LeBron the best chance to win immediately and often. Plus, it is a larger market for him, which means more $$.

[Caveat Emperor]

You think he (and Kobe) aren't already compared to Jordan? You don't think they view Jordan's career as "the goal" themselves?

Chicago, with Rose & Noah, gives LeBron the best chance to win immediately and often. Plus, it is a larger market for him, which means more $$.

Yeah, but why go to Chicago and *literally* live in Jordan's shadow (as opposed to anyplace else, where Jordan is the hypoethetical comp) when you can go to New York and create a new legacy for yourself?

Money isn't an issue for LeBron -- he's an international marketing machine. He'll make more money than he knows what to do with no matter where he ends up playing. He's going to head where the lights are brightest, where the stage is largest, and where he can cement a legacy for hismelf. That's New York (or Brooklyn, if he heads to the Nets).

And don't think David Stern won't be involved, to some extent, in this process. If LeBron is leaving Cleveland, it's in the NBA's best interest to have him in New York -- if for no other reason than to make the franchise competitive again.

[bucksfan2]

Here is what I just don't get with the whole NY thing. LeBron can get the biggest contract, and an extra year, if he stays in Cleveland. Big brand names like Nike and Gatorade are global names, not just NY names. I really don't think LeBron is any less marketable in Cleveland than he is in NY. He may not get as many smaller local endorsements but in reality that can be somewhat offset by the cost of living as well as smaller taxes in Cleveland.

[Slyder]

You think he (and Kobe) aren't already compared to Jordan? You don't think they view Jordan's career as "the goal" themselves?

Chicago, with Rose & Noah, gives LeBron the best chance to win immediately and often. Plus, it is a larger market for him, which means more $$.

They arent bombarded with those questions everytime something happens like they would in chicago. The only reason NJ is in the mix is marketing potential overseas.

[jredmo2]

Here is what I just don't get with the whole NY thing. LeBron can get the biggest contract, and an extra year, if he stays in Cleveland. Big brand names like Nike and Gatorade are global names, not just NY names. I really don't think LeBron is any less marketable in Cleveland than he is in NY. He may not get as many smaller local endorsements but in reality that can be somewhat offset by the cost of living as well as smaller taxes in Cleveland.

The main reason I think Lebron is leaving Cleveland is that the Cavs aren't getting dramatically better any time soon. There's no Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, David Lee coming to the Cavs. That team you saw this week is the team Lebron's would be playing with, although likely with a new coach and without Shaq. To me it looked like Lebron has had about enough of playing with that those guys, whether that's fair or not.

[NJReds]

What if Dallas offered Dirk in a sign-and-trade deal? I wouldn't put it past Cuban to investigate a way to get involved.

[joshnky]

To quote someone from ESPN:

49% chance he ends up staying
49% chance he ends up with the Knicks
2% chance he ends up with the Nets

No one else will matter.

For the UK fans on here that stay close to the rumors, how much truth is there that Cal might leave in a joint deal with Lebron? I know what he is saying but he said the same things at Memphis and any coach will lie to keep a recruiting class intact.

Also, aren't the Knicks happy with D'Antoni? It seems that the Cavs, Nets, and Bulls would be more logical destinations for the Cal-Lebron package.

[Chip R]

The main reason I think Lebron is leaving Cleveland is that the Cavs aren't getting dramatically better any time soon. There's no Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson, David Lee coming to the Cavs. That team you saw this week is the team Lebron's would be playing with, although likely with a new coach and without Shaq. To me it looked like Lebron has had about enough of playing with that those guys, whether that's fair or not.


I'm not sure if the Knicks would be any better.

[KoryMac5]

The first shoe dropped in trying to keep James in Cleveland. Mike Brown was fired today according to WFAN. Cleveland will hire any coach that King James wants. Get ready for those Cal rumors Kentucky fans.

[NJReds]

I'm not sure if the Knicks would be any better.

First off ... I'm a Knicks fan and I don't totally disagree with your statement. Except tha the Knicks have enough room under the cap to sign two max players and a compliment player.

They could basically let LeBron choose his deputy (Bosh, Joe Johnson) ... however the Knicks badly need a point guard and I don't see that solution being solved anytime soon.

[RBA]

Where all great players end up eventually: the LA Clippers.

[jredmo2]

First off ... I'm a Knicks fan and I don't totally disagree with your statement. Except tha the Knicks have enough room under the cap to sign two max players and a compliment player.

They could basically let LeBron choose his deputy (Bosh, Joe Johnson) ... however the Knicks badly need a point guard and I don't see that solution being solved anytime soon.

The Knicks have sure put all their eggs in the Lebron basket. If they miss on Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, they are in a terrible situation. I don't think overpaying Joe Johnson would go over very well.

[NJReds]

The Knicks have sure put all their eggs in the Lebron basket. If they miss on Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, they are in a terrible situation. I don't think overpaying Joe Johnson would go over very well.

I don't think they will overpay for Johnson. They may sign him, but not for max. They're finally out of cap hell, and Curry comes off in 2011. I think they'd turn their attention to bringing in some solid players and making a play for Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul. Donnie Walsh won't just throw the cash away.

[NJReds]

The Knicks have sure put all their eggs in the Lebron basket. If they miss on Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, they are in a terrible situation. I don't think overpaying Joe Johnson would go over very well.

I don't think they will overpay for Johnson. They may sign him, but not for max. They're finally out of cap hell, and Curry comes off in 2011. I think they'd turn their attention to bringing in some solid players and making a play for Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul in 2011. Donnie Walsh won't just throw the cash away.

[Boston Red]

The first shoe dropped in trying to keep James in Cleveland. Mike Brown was fired today according to WFAN. Cleveland will hire any coach that King James wants. Get ready for those Cal rumors Kentucky fans.

Mike Brown gets Doug Colllins'ed. Calipari is no Phil Jackson.

[WMR]

Cal isn't leaving UK this soon but nothing is going to stop the rumors.

Cal is a coach... he has coached in the NBA... Cal and LeBron are friends...

the rumors basically write themselves.

[jredmo2]

Cal isn't leaving UK this soon but nothing is going to stop the rumors.

Cal is a coach... he has coached in the NBA... Cal and LeBron are friends...

the rumors basically write themselves.

Yeah, it's all rumors, but I think that's a little naive. You're probably right, but I don't really see why WWW would become an agent for coaches just for the fun of it.

[Boston Red]

Cal isn't leaving UK this soon

Why would you expect him to stay? He's not going to leave for another college job. And I doubt he's going to leave for any other NBA job anytime soon. But the chance to be Lebron's hand-picked coach? That would have to make you think.

And even if it doesn't work out, he'd make tons of money and could go back to college and make tons more. He could recruit a top 5 class to NJIT.

[WMR]

Everyone will just have to remain patient and let things play out.

[Chip R]

Everyone will just have to remain patient and let things play out.


:lol:

[Mario-Rijo]

After weighing it all day and listening to people chime in from Chris Broussard to Avery Johnson on Mike and Mike this morning to the 1st take guys I have to admit for the 1st time I am starting to believe he may leave Cleveland. This whole time (the past few seasons really) I have not budged from my stance that he isn't going anywhere. I just didn't see how he could live with the ramifications of pretty much destroying an entire city, and not just any city but one so close to his home. But again weighing just a small portion of this for me is quite telling. A guy grows up in Akron, is an Ohio State fan but also likes the NYY's and the Dallas Cowboys and patterns his game after Magic and Michael? Sounds an awful lot like a front runner to me, wouldn't surprise me to hear he liked Michigan before OSU's resurgence with Tressel and Matta coming aboard.

I really don't think he'll be the least bit afraid of Michaels legacy in Chicago. But he did say it's about winning for him and unless Cleveland does something dramatic to improve their talent level he is gone IMO. They have to sign Bosh (trade and sign I think, don't know their cap issues) and/or deal for Amare Stoudamire (SP?) at minimum. And find a coach that keeps their defense working but improves their offense. That is some serious work that I am not so sure they believe they need to do. Will they screw this all up by taking it for granted that he will come back, could be.

Right now I am still leaning slightly to staying home though with conditions. If he leaves I doubt it's anywhere else but Chicago or NJ. The Knicks really aren't set up to win with or without him for at least a another season or 2 and I don't see him wanting to wait. The Nets have the #1 pick, plenty of cap room for multiple players and a Mark Cuban like owner and soon they will be in Brooklyn. Chicago is the team with the cap space and a real chance to compete this coming season with him in the fold. I am a Bulls fan so I can't say it wouldn't be cool to have him but right now I'm torn on where he ends up landing. If D wade were to go to Chicago (even though he is adamant he's going nowhere) then Miami could become a possible destination as well.

[Homer Bailey]

Chicago or Cleveland. There is no way he goes to the Knicks IMO.

[jredmo2]

For those unfamiliar with William Wesley, here is probably the most in-depth anybody has gotten:

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/200706/william-wesley-worldwide-wes-nba-basketball?currentPage=1

I don't really know all too much about him, I would guess you UK guys probably know more. I don't really buy the rumors that he is basically a super-powerful drug-dealer/pimp/bookie to the stars, but without any definitive word on what he actually does, that speculation will continue. I'd guess he's more of a PR guru, a 'master of discretion,' but that's pure speculation as well.

[KoryMac5]

Everyone will just have to remain patient and let things play out.

That's probably the same thing Memphis fans told themselves too. :eek:

[WMR]

Cal was at Memphis for 9 years. :eek:

[KronoRed]

Cal was at Memphis for 9 years. :eek:

True, but it took him 6 years to get rid of the stench of NBA failure and being king of the NIT.

[bucksfan2]

The more I think about it the more I think the way Cleveland lost may end up being being a blessing in disguise. Lets say that Cleveland went to the NBA Finals and lost in a 6 game series. The next day, or very shortly after that, LeBron would be a free agent. Now the way it stands he isn't a free agent for another couple of weeks. This loss won't be front and center in either LeBron's or the Cavs mind. No snap decisions would have been made and I think it will end well for Cavs fans.

[joshnky]

Cal was at Memphis for 9 years. :eek:

And they were awful for most of those nine years. It wasn't until the "one-and-done" rule that he started seeing success nationally.

[Caveat Emperor]

Everyone will just have to remain patient and let things play out.

Man, do I get a sense of Deja Vu... ;)

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79454

[dabvu2498]

I can't help but think that Cal would at least listen to an offer to coach James in the league. Honestly, he'd be foolish not to.

[RedLakerFan24]

He's going to my Lakers, Kobe and Lebron together, WOW, just think of the championships. Both players have huge egos but i think if they think of how many rings they could win together they would accept any role. It would have to be a sign and trade, Lebron for Bynum and Sasha(expiring contract). Mitch get this done.

Starting Line Up

Gasol
Lamar
Lebron
Kobe
PG: Doesnt matter

with Artest comming off the bench

[Slyder]

He's going to my Lakers, Kobe and Lebron together, WOW, just think of the championships. Both players have huge egos but i think if they think of how many rings they could win together they would accept any role. It would have to be a sign and trade, Lebron for Bynum and Sasha(expiring contract). Mitch get this done.

Starting Line Up

Gasol
Lamar
Lebron
Kobe
PG: Doesnt matter

with Artest comming off the bench

This is why theres been rumors that he and Bosh may work together and be a package deal. Give James the big man he's lacked in Cleveland.

[Joseph]

He's going to my Lakers, Kobe and Lebron together, WOW, just think of the championships. Both players have huge egos but i think if they think of how many rings they could win together they would accept any role. It would have to be a sign and trade, Lebron for Bynum and Sasha(expiring contract). Mitch get this done.

Starting Line Up

Gasol
Lamar
Lebron
Kobe
PG: Doesnt matter

with Artest comming off the bench

Not even a slight chance of that happening. Both want to be the 'man' not the sidekick.

[cincrazy]

http://break.com/index/we-are-lebron-video.html?matchid=?matchid=

Uhhh....

[Slyder]

http://break.com/index/we-are-lebron-video.html?matchid=?matchid=

Uhhh....

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Thank God I didnt have a drink or else I'd need a new monitor. Couldnt they get Drew Carey cameo too? Thats the only thing that would have taken this from good to Epically Funny.

[Revering4Blue]

Already The Most Important Non-Trade In History?


While the Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland trade talks will not become a tale of larger than life mythology, it is already perhaps the most meaningful non-deal in NBA history.


http://realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/902/20100512/already_the_most_important_non_trade_in_history/

[WVRed]

Looks like Mike Brown still has a job, for now...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5189101

Even if LeBron is allowed to hand-pick his own coach, I would imagine the damage by Cleveland has already been done. They have showed an unwillingness to surround him with the talent needed to be an NBA championship team, namely Amare Stoudemire.

Hope Cav fans like seeing JJ Hickson billboards all around downtown. He may have ultimately been what would have kept LeBron.

I ultimately think the Nets make more sense than the Knicks. They are likely moving to Brooklyn and will have probably no worse than a top three pick (Wall, Turner, Cousins?). In addition, they have enough money and cap space to sign another high profile FA (Bosh?).

As for the coaching search (for whoever not named the Knicks lands LeBron), I would add another coach to consider is Phil Jackson, who's contract is up with the Lakers after this season. He's worked his magic with Jordan and Kobe, and the triangle offense would likely benefit LeBron.

[RBA]

Phil Jackson has said if he coaches next year it will be with the Lakers.

[Yachtzee]

No doubt Clevelanders want to keep LeBron, but I think a lot of people around here would find it hilariously funny, if still bittersweet, if LeBron ended up with a team other than the Knicks, Nets or Bulls. Rumors of LeBron going to NY have been around ever since he entered the NBA, to the degree where some people I know seem to believe that this whole thing has been a conspiracy between Daniel Stern, Nike and the Knicks to let him start out in Cleveland to see if he could live up to his potential, then move him to NY once he finished his Cleveland deal to turn the Knicks back into a marquee NBA franchise. So if he does leave, but not to the Knicks or Nets, they would at least be able to laugh at those two teams for spending all that time and effort to make cap space for LeBron only to get stiffed. Besides, Cleveland already sees most of its best baseball players leave for NY or Boston. The Bulls not getting him would be icing on the cake (too many bad Jordan memories in Cleveland).

Personally, I think if he's really set on winning, he has to stay with the Cavs. They have a good foundation and could make a few moves to bolster the team, provided they dump Mike Brown and maybe Danny Ferry. On the other hand, leaving for NY or NJ means he will go from playing for a regular playoff contender to a rebuilding project in the prime of his career. Even with LeBron, the Knicks have a whole lot of bad to clear out before they get good. They might make the playoffs in a year or so, but I don't see them getting further than Cleveland has with him. The Nets? Same deal and, well, they aren't going to magically have that new arena in Brooklyn next season, if it ever gets built at all.

[dabvu2498]

The latest rumors about what may have been distracting LeBron during games 5-6 are wild. Not to say that they couldn't be true...

[Yachtzee]

The latest rumors about what may have been distracting LeBron during games 5-6 are wild. Not to say that they couldn't be true...

Would certainly top the "Rick Manning shacking up with Dennis Eckersley's wife while on Manning was on the DL and Eck was on the road with the team" as far as Cleveland Sports Scandals go.

[urdun]

No doubt Clevelanders want to keep LeBron, but I think a lot of people around here would find it hilariously funny, if still bittersweet, if LeBron ended up with a team other than the Knicks, Nets or Bulls. Rumors of LeBron going to NY have been around ever since he entered the NBA, to the degree where some people I know seem to believe that this whole thing has been a conspiracy between Daniel Stern, Nike and the Knicks to let him start out in Cleveland to see if he could live up to his potential, then move him to NY once he finished his Cleveland deal to turn the Knicks back into a marquee NBA franchise. So if he does leave, but not to the Knicks or Nets, they would at least be able to laugh at those two teams for spending all that time and effort to make cap space for LeBron only to get stiffed. Besides, Cleveland already sees most of its best baseball players leave for NY or Boston. The Bulls not getting him would be icing on the cake (too many bad Jordan memories in Cleveland).

Personally, I think if he's really set on winning, he has to stay with the Cavs. They have a good foundation and could make a few moves to bolster the team, provided they dump Mike Brown and maybe Danny Ferry. On the other hand, leaving for NY or NJ means he will go from playing for a regular playoff contender to a rebuilding project in the prime of his career. Even with LeBron, the Knicks have a whole lot of bad to clear out before they get good. They might make the playoffs in a year or so, but I don't see them getting further than Cleveland has with him. The Nets? Same deal and, well, they aren't going to magically have that new arena in Brooklyn next season, if it ever gets built at all.

Something tells me Portland is a sneaky wildcard.

[Sea Ray]

I'd think long and hard before going to New York. If he had a series playing for the Knicks like the one he just finished the Press would pound him there. Cleveland has to treat him with kid gloves right now but under a different situation in NY it'd be brutal

[yab1112]

http://break.com/index/we-are-lebron-video.html?matchid=?matchid=

Uhhh....

After seeing that, how can he not stay in Cleveland?!

But seriously, that was pretty cool.

[RBA]

Something tells me Portland is a sneaky wildcard.

And then they move the team to Las Vegas. :D

[Joseph]

The latest rumors about what may have been distracting LeBron during games 5-6 are wild. Not to say that they couldn't be true...

What are said rumors?

[KoryMac5]

ESPN stated this AM that Brown has not been fired yet, however it is probably only a matter of time. I would think they would see if Lebron coming back is a possibility before making a decision about Brown.


I have seen some crazy rumors as well about Lebron and Delonte West. Rumor was started by a blogger who has a friend that supposedly has inside information. It is scary what some of these guys will print.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3004456/source_delonte_west_and_lebron_james.html?cat=14

[Yachtzee]

ESPN stated this AM that Brown has not been fired yet, however it is probably only a matter of time. I would think they would see if Lebron coming back is a possibility before making a decision about Brown.


I have seen some crazy rumors as well about Lebron and Delonte West. Rumor was started by a blogger who has a friend that supposedly has inside information. It is scary what some of these guys will print.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3004456/source_delonte_west_and_lebron_james.html?cat=14

I have no sources with regard to this rumor. All I can say is that I do have a source that can verify that Delonte is into "cougars."

[Eric_the_Red]

I have no sources with regard to this rumor. All I can say is that I do have a source that can verify that Delonte is into "cougars."

Shades of Ricky Vaughn and Mrs. Dorn in Major League.

"I didn't know who she was. I swear to God."

[Yachtzee]

Shades of Ricky Vaughn and Mrs. Dorn in Major League.

"I didn't know who she was. I swear to God."

Mixed with Stiffler's Mom from American Pie.

[improbus]

1) He can't stay with the Cavs. They are hamstrung with bad contracts and are only going to get older and less effective. The organization has been trying to keep LeBron from year to year and have not tried to "build" a team.
2) I do think that the "ordan issue is huge in Chicago. Put it this way. Jordan is the Bulls. Outside of MJ, they have been one of the worst and least relevant franchises in the history of the NBA. They're winning percentage w/o Jordan is 44% and they have never made the finals. The spectre of Jordan in Chicago is simply too large.
3) The Nets, is LeBron willing to spend two years of his prime in Newark (although he was happy to spend seven years in Cleveland...)
4) The Knicks....the Knicks. It has to be NY. Think about this. In Chicago, he needs to win a ton of titles to compare to Jordan whereas if he brings one to NY, he is beyond immortal. MSG is the greatest arena in sports (and I'm generally not one for hyperbole). It has to be NY. We are all thinking about 2010 only, but if LeBron/Bosh (etc..) go to NY, you will be others flock to NY. Also, if the Knicks will spend money and will go over the tax.

[Boston Red]

MSG is the greatest arena in sports

I'm sure they'll ruin it in the renovation. They always do.

[improbus]

I'm sure they'll ruin it in the renovation. They always do.

It's not the building, it's the fans. A friend went to a game this year (vs. a nobody) and said that it was still the loudest hoops arena he's ever been too. That's impressive considering how bad they have been lately.

[Boston Red]

It's not the building, it's the fans.

Ask Boston fans about that. The old Garden was hot, cramped and rocking. Their new building is modern, comfortable and anything but intimidating. It's hard to replicate the environment that leads to the frenzied fanbase.

[WVRed]

1) He can't stay with the Cavs. They are hamstrung with bad contracts and are only going to get older and less effective. The organization has been trying to keep LeBron from year to year and have not tried to "build" a team.

Agree 100%. They should have gotten Amare Stoudemire when they had a chance. I think the Cavs have crossed the rubicon when it comes to their handling of LeBron and supposedly letting him pick his own coach is a major mistake and a laughable one at that.


2) I do think that the "ordan issue is huge in Chicago. Put it this way. Jordan is the Bulls. Outside of MJ, they have been one of the worst and least relevant franchises in the history of the NBA. They're winning percentage w/o Jordan is 44% and they have never made the finals. The spectre of Jordan in Chicago is simply too large.

True, but LeBron has the chance to put the Bulls back on the map in a big way. Out of all the teams, Chicago can offer the best supporting cast available RIGHT NOW. Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah are better than anything on NY or Cleveland.


3) The Nets, is LeBron willing to spend two years of his prime in Newark (although he was happy to spend seven years in Cleveland...)

The Nets are a step down from the Bulls, but they are better than the Knicks. The possibility of adding John Wall plus Brook Lopez, as well as the ability to add another high profile FA.


4) The Knicks....the Knicks. It has to be NY. Think about this. In Chicago, he needs to win a ton of titles to compare to Jordan whereas if he brings one to NY, he is beyond immortal. MSG is the greatest arena in sports (and I'm generally not one for hyperbole). It has to be NY. We are all thinking about 2010 only, but if LeBron/Bosh (etc..) go to NY, you will be others flock to NY. Also, if the Knicks will spend money and will go over the tax.

And the biggest media circus in America to boot.

That and while the Knicks have the money, they have a current roster that is far worse than anything the Cavs have ever had. Even if they add a couple of players, they are seriously lacking in any hope of fielding a decent team for the future.

I'm hoping he ends up with the Bulls. It just makes too much sense, even with the pressure of succeeding Jordan. If anybody can do it, it is either LeBron or Kobe.

[gilpdawg]

Donnie Walsh won't just throw the cash away.

Except for that time he traded Antonio Davis and Brad Miller so they could keep the immortal Jonathan Bender.:D

/bitter Pacers fan disgusted with what has happened to that once proud franchise

[gilpdawg]

He's going to my Lakers, Kobe and Lebron together, WOW, just think of the championships. Both players have huge egos but i think if they think of how many rings they could win together they would accept any role. It would have to be a sign and trade, Lebron for Bynum and Sasha(expiring contract). Mitch get this done.

Starting Line Up

Gasol
Lamar
Lebron
Kobe
PG: Doesnt matter

with Artest comming off the bench
Not enough basketballs to go around with that setup.

[reds44]

As a Lakers fan, there's a 0% chance he goes to the Lakers. If -% were possible, I'd go with that.

[NJReds]

Except for that time he traded Antonio Davis and Brad Miller so they could keep the immortal Jonathan Bender.:D

/bitter Pacers fan disgusted with what has happened to that once proud franchise

And he brought Bender back to the Knicks this year ...

[improbus]

Ask Boston fans about that. The old Garden was hot, cramped and rocking. Their new building is modern, comfortable and anything but intimidating. It's hard to replicate the environment that leads to the frenzied fanbase.
It's not so much the building, it's the price point. Most teams price out their die-hard, loud fans. It's sort of a chicken/egg argument.

[Señor Rojo]

I remember visiting Cleveland soon after LeBron was drafted. The sporting goods store was bursting with LeBron gear before he had stepped foot on the court. They changed their uniforms for his first season. He truly is a symbol of the fainting glimmer of hope Cleveland athletic teams have. The city would be absolutely devastated if he leaves.

[Yachtzee]

I remember visiting Cleveland soon after LeBron was drafted. The sporting goods store was bursting with LeBron gear before he had stepped foot on the court. They changed their uniforms for his first season. He truly is a symbol of the fainting glimmer of hope Cleveland athletic teams have. The city would be absolutely devastated if he leaves.

Let's not go overboard here. Cleveland isn't going to just suddenly stop functioning if LeBron leaves. It's just sports, not life. And as great as he is, this is still a football town. If he leaves and the Browns somehow make the playoffs, Clevelanders would be fine with that. I know they haven't won a championship in a long time, so any will do, but if you asked Clevelanders whether they'd rather have an NBA title, a World Series title for the Indians, or a Browns Super Bowl championship, the vast majority would pick Super Bowl, followed by World Series, with NBA title a distant third. LeBron's big accomplishment has been to get Cleveland interested in the NBA. But they still talk way more about the Browns and Indians than the Cavs when the NBA playoffs are over.

[improbus]

Let's not go overboard here. Cleveland isn't going to just suddenly stop functioning if LeBron leaves. It's just sports, not life. And as great as he is, this is still a football town. If he leaves and the Browns somehow make the playoffs, Clevelanders would be fine with that. I know they haven't won a championship in a long time, so any will do, but if you asked Clevelanders whether they'd rather have an NBA title, a World Series title for the Indians, or a Browns Super Bowl championship, the vast majority would pick Super Bowl, followed by World Series, with NBA title a distant third. LeBron's big accomplishment has been to get Cleveland interested in the NBA. But they still talk way more about the Browns and Indians than the Cavs when the NBA playoffs are over.

Change LeBron to Jordan, Cleveland to Chicago, and Browns to Bears and you have the same impact.

[Yachtzee]

Change LeBron to Jordan, Cleveland to Chicago, and Browns to Bears and you have the same impact.

I give my Browns fans friends a lot of grief, but I have a lot of respect in that, when they lost the Browns v.1.0, they didn't curl themselves up into a ball and cry "woe is me." They fought like crazy to force Modell to leave the team name and history behind and pressured the NFL to give them an expansion franchise when the NFL hadn't really expressed the intention to expand at that point. When it comes to LeBron, I think most Clevelanders would like him to stay, but they know that if he wants to go, they can't stop him. They just want him to make a decision to either stay or go so they can see how the Cavs react.

The Cavs need LeBron for sure if they want to maintain their ticket sales, but Cleveland as a whole? I think you might see more people put their disposable income into more Browns and Indians tickets. Before LeBron, I'd say a significant portion of the population would have easily traded the Cavs for a decent NHL franchise. There are quite a few hockey fans and high school hockey is pretty popular in a number of communities up here.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

One thing all of this has done, is further firm my stance that I really hate LeBron James the person.

[dabvu2498]

One thing all of this has done, is further firm my stance that I really hate LeBron James the person.

Just out of curiousity, why is that?

[KoryMac5]

Calvin Murphy stated on the radio yesterday that the rumors involving Lebron James, West, and his Mom are 100% true. Can anybody say lawsuit and cease and desist.

[WVRed]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5213917

Mike Brown is gone. Looks like the first shoe has dropped.

[Chip R]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5213917 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5213917)

Mike Brown is gone. Looks like the first shoe has dropped.


The good news is that CLE isn't that terribly far from LEX so Calapari can move up there without too much trouble. :D

[Slyder]

The good news is that CLE isn't that terribly far from LEX so Calapari can move up there without too much trouble. :D

... Unless UK takes tips from UT on how to slow down a coach as he's out the door :P.

[Revering4Blue]

Izzo Turns Down Cavs, Staying At MSU

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67215/20100615/izzo_turns_down_cavs_staying_at_msu/

[Oxilon]

I'm surprised the Izzo to Cleveland talk went on as long as it did. If there was ever a coach who was the epitome of college basketball, it's Izzo.

[marcshoe]

yep. Izzo's a great coach; this would have been a major mistake on his part.

[DirtyBaker]

He's a real professional. I don't know how many of you guys saw the whole thing on the Big10 network, but he ran a very fine line of standing up for himself and MSU without getting into it with a couple reporters.

Not that I'm a fan, but I'm very glad Izzo is staying.

[jredmo2]

The Bulls have reportedly traded Kirk Hinrich and the 17th pick to the Wiz. No word what the Wiz are "giving up" in this deal. Bulls can afford 2 max contracts now.

[Joseph]

The Bulls have reportedly traded Kirk Hinrich and the 17th pick to the Wiz. No word what the Wiz are "giving up" in this deal. Bulls can afford 2 max contracts now.

Bosh and 'bron?

[jredmo2]

Bosh and 'bron?

Makes sense to me. Whoever is the SG when LBJ, Rose, Bosh, and Noah are (hypothetically) on the court together... those would be the most wide-open 3's in basketball history.

[RBA]

Looks like the Heat or the Bulls. They are both clearing roster spots to make room for at least 2 free agents. Miami has the benefit of no state income taxes.

RBA says HEAT!

[Boston Red]

My sportsbook still has the Cavs as the favorites to retain Lebron:

Bulls +150

Cavaliers -150

Clippers +1000

Heat +600

Knicks +200

Nets +400

[Joseph]

Yeah the Bulls will end up with Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer on max deals, just my luck.

[KoryMac5]

Sign and trade remains an option that is out there as well. I think Cleveland will have a pretty good idea if they want to pull that card before the King jumps ship.

[Slyder]

My sportsbook still has the Cavs as the favorites to retain Lebron:

Bulls +150

Cavaliers -150

Clippers +1000

Heat +600

Knicks +200

Nets +400

I'd take the Knicks with those odds even if he resigns thats pretty good return.

[Mario-Rijo]

My sportsbook still has the Cavs as the favorites to retain Lebron:

Bulls +150

Cavaliers -150

Clippers +1000

Heat +600

Knicks +200

Nets +400

I'd think that is pretty accurate with exception of the Nets and Knicks which I'd flip flop. Not real sure the Heat have that good odds especially if Wade Returns. I don't expect my Bulls to sign him but I think outside of Cleveland they have the most realistic shot. Then again I think Garnetts words to Lebron about loyalty can hurt were quite impactful. Cleveland really needs to go all in right here or he jumps ship, better hire the correct Head Coach.

Just for the record though I do expect the Bulls to reign in Bosh and perhaps Joe Johnson, with Rose, Deng and Noah that is an outstanding starting 5. But I wish Johnson was a guy who went to the basket more, something the Bulls need is a slasher (other than Rose).

[NJReds]

I'm a Knicks fan, and I don't really want Bosh. Let him go to Miami or Chicago. Although I can't say I'm thrilled that they're prepared to offer Joe Johnson the max. I think Johnson's good, but not a max-level player.

[KoryMac5]

I'm a Knicks fan, and I don't really want Bosh. Let him go to Miami or Chicago. Although I can't say I'm thrilled that they're prepared to offer Joe Johnson the max. I think Johnson's good, but not a max-level player.

Knicks look to be on the outside looking in on the big name free agents. Could be max deals for Amare' and Johnson if they panic. It almost seemed like a foregone conclusion that a NY area team would land James or Bosh but it seems more and more like the Knicks and Nets are afterthoughts. Looks more and more to me that Bosh is headed to Miami. I still think Cleveland will explore a sign and trade for James here soon. Once July hits we should start hearing more rumors about what Cleveland is looking to do with James.

Johnson- Knicks
Wade- Heat
Amare- Knicks
James- Chicago
Bosh- Heat
Nowitzki- Dallas

[NJReds]

Knicks look to be on the outside looking in on the big name free agents. Could be max deals for Amare' and Johnson if they panic. It almost seemed like a foregone conclusion that a NY area team would land James or Bosh but it seems more and more like the Knicks and Nets are afterthoughts. Looks more and more to me that Bosh is headed to Miami. I still think Cleveland will explore a sign and trade for James here soon. Once July hits we should start hearing more rumors about what Cleveland is looking to do with James.

Johnson- Knicks
Wade- Heat
Amare- Knicks
James- Chicago
Bosh- Heat
Nowitzki- Dallas

Not sure why Cleveland would help James get an additional $30M paycheck while taking on some team's bad contracts. They'd be better off letting James fall off their salary cap and pursuing some other FA options.

As for the Knicks. I'd rather chase some of the lower tier FAs (Rudy Gay, for example) than overpay Joe Johnson. But you're right, it looks like that's what they're going to do.

[WVRed]

Not sure why Cleveland would help James get an additional $30M paycheck while taking on some team's bad contracts. They'd be better off letting James fall off their salary cap and pursuing some other FA options.

As for the Knicks. I'd rather chase some of the lower tier FAs (Rudy Gay, for example) than overpay Joe Johnson. But you're right, it looks like that's what they're going to do.

If you think about it, Joe Johnson and Amare had their best years under D'Antoni. They might be past their prime, but they are two veterans that you could likely build a nucleus around. Outside of David Lee, the Knicks have nothing right now.

[NJReds]

If you think about it, Joe Johnson and Amare had their best years under D'Antoni. They might be past their prime, but they are two veterans that you could likely build a nucleus around. Outside of David Lee, the Knicks have nothing right now.

The Knicks got in trouble by overpaying guys who were on the way down. I'd rather see them get younger guys like Gay or Chandler with some upside (and some defensive skills).

I think Gallinari will be an excellent pro. Chandler has a lot of upside as well.

Lee is good, but a huge defensive liability. He's not going to be worth the contract that he's going to get.

[KoryMac5]

Not sure why Cleveland would help James get an additional $30M paycheck while taking on some team's bad contracts. They'd be better off letting James fall off their salary cap and pursuing some other FA options.

As for the Knicks. I'd rather chase some of the lower tier FAs (Rudy Gay, for example) than overpay Joe Johnson. But you're right, it looks like that's what they're going to do.

I think Dallas can step in an offer an enticing package for James. They are probably the only team that has the assets to offer in a S and T. They have two expiring contracts to offer, Butler and Dampier. Plus they have a couple of young players that Cleveland might be interested in. I could see a package of Roddy B., Butler and first round pick Dominique Jones getting it done. It's not value for value for Lebron but nothing really is. Cleveland might take that deal instead of getting nothing.

[improbus]

I just saw two separate links saying that LeBron was going to Miami and Chicago. This is going to be insane. At some point there will be rumors that he is signing with Olympiakos.

[Razor Shines]

If you think about it, Joe Johnson and Amare had their best years under D'Antoni. They might be past their prime, but they are two veterans that you could likely build a nucleus around. Outside of David Lee, the Knicks have nothing right now.

I think Steve Nash had more to do with it than D'Antoni.

[KoryMac5]

From Yahoo Sports:


Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban will pursue a sign-and-trade to lure Atlanta Hawks free agent Joe Johnson(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Mavericks are unlikely to engage the Cleveland Cavaliers into a sign-and-trade for LeBron James(notes), but Johnson has emerged as a realistic target for the Mavericks. Johnson, is more likely to embrace a sign-and-trade to the contending Mavs than sign a free-agent contract with New York or Chicago, sources said.

“New York is far from his first option,” one source with knowledge of Johnson’s thinking said.

The article also goes on to say that Toronto will listen to S and T for Bosh. Houston has wanted Bosh all off season. I could see them putting in an offer to steal him away from free agency. It is possible NY gets shut out of the big name free agents.

[Boston Red]

It is possible NY gets shut out of the big name free agents.

There's always Carlos Boozer. He'd do as well for the Knicks as former Jazz import Scott Layden did.

[NJReds]

It is possible NY gets shut out of the big name free agents.

If the Knicks don't get LeBron or Wade, I'd rather get shut out. I think the max for Bosh, Johnson and Boozer is overpaying.

I'd set my sights on lower priced targets like Gay, Chandler and possible trades.

Salary flexibility is more important than overpaying for the Joe Johnsons of the world.

[KoryMac5]

If the Knicks don't get LeBron or Wade, I'd rather get shut out. I think the max for Bosh, Johnson and Boozer is overpaying.

I'd set my sights on lower priced targets like Gay, Chandler and possible trades.

Salary flexibility is more important than overpaying for the Joe Johnsons of the world.

I don't think Joe Johnson will get the max, though I have heard some big numbers thrown out his way. Too many teams don't want to end up in trouble with the cap. I would think working out a deal for Gay and Amare would be a nice haul for the Knicks and from what I have read they will start with Johnson and Amare in LA on the eve of free agency.

[Razor Shines]

Stephen A. Smith said yesterday that he has 19 sources that tell him that Lebron and Bosh will join Wade in Miami.


Smith to Dan Patrick on Monday:

I got a call last night from a source and I double-checked it with another and they told me essentially that LeBron James and Chris Bosh are going to tag team and go together and join Dwyane Wade in Miami.

Around 10 o’clock last night or so I heard the news and stayed up for a few more hours and made a few phone calls and I felt comfortable enough to go with what I reported.

I believe it’s highly likely, I wouldn’t say anything is a done deal with LeBron James until it’s signed.

Last night I heard emphatically that this is the direction that LeBron James has leaned toward and Dwyane Wade has done a very, very good job of convincing them (James and Bosh) not just about Pat Riley, not just about the fact there are no state (income) taxes in the state of Florida but at the same time he’s there in a tandem and that’s what it’s going to take. Either that or a three-headed monster to win multiple championships and that LeBron James is all in.

I don't know how reliable Smith has been in the past on predictions, but I have a tough time believing this one.

[WMR]

That would be awesome. :lol:

[NJReds]

That would be awesome. :lol:

Not for the NBA. But it's the system they devised.

Miami ... one of the worst sports markets in the US. And Riley, who coaches when it suits him, and bails when it's time to rebuild. Ugh.

[KoryMac5]

How is it that Lebron can have dinner with Jay-Z who is a minority owner in the Nyets, plus also meet with two other potential free agents in Bosh and Wade. Can anyone say tampering or does Stern only like to fine Mark Cuban.

[improbus]

Well, the saga cotinues to grow. The Nuggets say that they would rather trade Carmelo now than lose him after next year. Also, Pierce is opting out of his contract. Yikes.

[Razor Shines]

How is it that Lebron can have dinner with Jay-Z who is a minority owner in the Nyets, plus also meet with two other potential free agents in Bosh and Wade. Can anyone say tampering or does Stern only like to fine Mark Cuban.

He already had dinner with Jay-Z? I thought he was going to be the first one he meets with Tomorrow.

As far as Bosh and Wade, I don't know what the league could do about players talking with one another.

[texasdave]

Dirk Nowitzki to test FA waters.



A person familiar with the decision told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Nowitzki has notified the Dallas Mavericks he is opting out of the final year and $21.5 million on his existing contract. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the team wasn't planning to announce Nowitzki's decision.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/06/29/mavericks.nowitzki.ap/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0sLkJ9D5T

[improbus]

One underrated element of this Free Agency Period. Everyone is looking only at the 2010 roster. If the NBA has proven anything, it is that teams can dig themselves out of bad cap situations and that there is always some dumb team that will take on a bad contract. So, let's not rule out the Knicks for LeBron just yet. Curry's contract comes off the books after next season, freeing up $11 million.

Also, my final reason that LeBron shold go to the Knicks. He will instantly be the greatest player in Knicks history. If he goes to Chicago, he will never live up to Michael. If he goes to Miami, he is living in Wade's shadow to a certain degree. In NY, he will truly be the King.

[KoryMac5]

He already had dinner with Jay-Z? I thought he was going to be the first one he meets with Tomorrow.

As far as Bosh and Wade, I don't know what the league could do about players talking with one another.

From Mike Fisher:


So LeBron was wined-and-dined last weekend by Nets minority owner Jay-Z. And LeBron has visited with Bosh about coming to Cleveland. And LeBron has engaged in a summit meeting (by Skype or in person) with Bosh and Wade about going to Miami.

Where the hell is David Stern? Coaching France in the World Cup? Heading up BP? Auditioning to replace Steve Carell as the incompetent boss on “The Office’’?


http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullArchiveColumn.php?id=3201

As far as players go once your a free agent you should be able to talk with anyone you want after the tampering deadline passes. It is clear that these conversations took place before the deadline had passed. Tom me the biggest violation is the fact that Jay Z had dinner with Lebron a weekend ago while he was house hunting in the NY metro area. Friends or not the NBA put out clear guidelines and this is a violation.

[KoryMac5]

Dirk Nowitzki to test FA waters.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/06/29/mavericks.nowitzki.ap/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0sLkJ9D5T

Nowitzki is coming back to Dallas today to talk contract with the Mavs. I would imagine Pierce who opted out with the Celtics will be talking contract shortly with Boston.

I found it odd Jefferson opted out with the Spurs, however through research the Spurs want to give him a longer contract loaded up on the backend.

[KoryMac5]

Gooden is the first free agent to sign, 5 yrs 32 million with the Bucks. Not a bad deal for Drew and the Bucks as he can play the 4 paired well with Bogut at the 5.

[Razor Shines]

From Mike Fisher:




http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullArchiveColumn.php?id=3201

As far as players go once your a free agent you should be able to talk with anyone you want after the tampering deadline passes. It is clear that these conversations took place before the deadline had passed. Tom me the biggest violation is the fact that Jay Z had dinner with Lebron a weekend ago while he was house hunting in the NY metro area. Friends or not the NBA put out clear guidelines and this is a violation.

Yeah, the fact that he met with Jay-Z before today is clearly a violation, it seems to me. You know if Cuban met with a player and said "we're friends" he'd have some major fines on his hands.

[KoryMac5]

Atlanta's front office must be crazy:



The Atlanta Hawks offered Joe Johnson(notes) a six-year, $119 million contract Thursday morning, and sources close to the All-Star guard expect him to accept the max deal soon.

The Hawks moved quickly at midnight ET to try to secure their franchise star and offered the contract that Johnson’s agent Arn Tellem sought from the organization. Sources say ownership OK’d the max offer and general manager Rick Sund delivered it in Los Angeles.

I did not think a team would go max money for this guy. Reminds me of Alan Houston and the Knicks.

[Revering4Blue]

A person with knowledge of the negotiations says that Memphis forward Rudy Gay has agreed to a five-year max contract with the Grizzlies.

The deal will pay Gay more than $13 million per season, according to the person, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the deal can’t be signed until July 8.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlRJUP0Ztcr7u27TBQ6n.Sg5nYcB?slug=ap-grizzlies-gay

[Razor Shines]

Atlanta's front office must be crazy:




I did not think a team would go max money for this guy. Reminds me of Alan Houston and the Knicks.

That just doesn't make any sense. Joe Johnson is not worth that.

[UKFlounder]

That's a lot of money for Gay and Johnson, but what about Darko getting 4 years, $20 million from Minnesota? :eek:

[TeamSelig]

Terrible deal for Gooden. More then likely could have gotten him for the vet min. I'm not even sure Darko would have gotten an offer from any other team.

[Slyder]

Just a prediction. LeBron will not be going to these two cities Chicago and Miami.

Why?

Chicago= He is not going to go to the city where regardless of what he does will NEVER come close to Jordan and forever being in Jordan's shadow.

Miami=He is not going somewhere to be someone else's caddy. Miami would be Wade's city. Wade's already got his ring so it wont be like Boston.

I still say the only way LeBron leaves Cleveland is if the Nets new owner promises LeBron the world... in marketing sponserships.

[NJReds]

Apparently Amare broke off contract talks with Phoenix. Got a better offer. He may be the first "big fish" to switch teams.

[Roy Tucker]

The Knicks are talking about a buttload of money to Lebron.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/morning-jolt/07/02/friday.jolt/index.html?eref=sihp

[NJReds]

Buzz that Amare is going to the Knicks. Looking at the numbers, not sure that he's a huge improvement over Lee. He's better defensively ... more blocked shots. Lee's a better passer and has drastically improved every year. He's also a better bet to stay healthy, and would come at a much lower cost.

[TeamSelig]

I think NY is going to S&T Lee for Amare.

[Revering4Blue]

I think NY is going to S&T Lee for Amare.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least.

On a related note, the Suns are ponying up 30 million to keep Channing Frye.

Channing Frye?

[TeamSelig]

They picked up Hakim Warrick too, to help replace Amare. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Nash turn him into a great player.

Frye played OK last year, but yeah, 30 mil is a bit much.

[NJReds]

Per Adrian Wojnarowski: Apparently the Knicks and Stoudemire are close on a deal in the 5 yr. - $100 range.

Again, not sure that Lee at 5 yrs - $50-$70M wouldn't make more sense. Frees up money for other FAs.

[Joseph]

Just a prediction. LeBron will not be going to these two cities Chicago and Miami.

Why?

Chicago= He is not going to go to the city where regardless of what he does will NEVER come close to Jordan and forever being in Jordan's shadow.

Miami=He is not going somewhere to be someone else's caddy. Miami would be Wade's city. Wade's already got his ring so it wont be like Boston.

I still say the only way LeBron leaves Cleveland is if the Nets new owner promises LeBron the world... in marketing sponserships.

I disagree about the comparison to Jordan. If he's worried about living up to Jordan he might as well retire now because he will forever be compared to him and until he wins seven he won't be out of his shadow. Kobe is just now getting to where he can find the sunlight at 5 and be considered on his own merits.

I do agree on the Miami thing though, he's going to want to have his own team, not someone elses.

[improbus]

I disagree about the comparison to Jordan. If he's worried about living up to Jordan he might as well retire now because he will forever be compared to him and until he wins seven he won't be out of his shadow. Kobe is just now getting to where he can find the sunlight at 5 and be considered on his own merits.

I do agree on the Miami thing though, he's going to want to have his own team, not someone elses.
But, if LeBron goes to Chicago and wins a title, the headline will say "5 to go". Who wants to go through that?

If LeBron goes to NY, he will instantly be the greatest Knick in the history of the franchise. In NY, he will be an instant legend by winning only one title. Remember, ESPN ran a documentary on the Knicks LOSING. Imagine what it would be like if they actually WON.

[improbus]

Looks like Amar'e is going to NY. D'Antoni smiling.

[reds44]

But, if LeBron goes to Chicago and wins a title, the headline will say "5 to go". Who wants to go through that?

If LeBron goes to NY, he will instantly be the greatest Knick in the history of the franchise. In NY, he will be an instant legend by winning only one title. Remember, ESPN ran a documentary on the Knicks LOSING. Imagine what it would be like if they actually WON.
No matter where LeBron goes it'll be 5 to go. He's trying to be GOAT.

[Razor Shines]

Per Adrian Wojnarowski: Apparently the Knicks and Stoudemire are close on a deal in the 5 yr. - $100 range.

Again, not sure that Lee at 5 yrs - $50-$70M wouldn't make more sense. Frees up money for other FAs.

Yep. That's waaay too much money for Amare. I predict he goes all Shawn Marion when he gets away from Nash.

[Slyder]

No matter where LeBron goes it'll be 5 to go. He's trying to be GOAT.

It won't be in the headlines anywhere but Chicago. Except for hot air bags like Skip Bayless and even that might be remote until James approaches Shaq (4 with LA, if he does do it all with one team).

[Revering4Blue]

A few interesting tidbits this morning:


The Knicks are expected to try and pry Tony Parker away from the Spurs in order to pair him with Amar'e Stoudemire.

A person close to both players told the New York Daily News that Parker and Stoudemire have talked about playing together in either New York or Miami.

"It's perfect for Tony because he wants to be in New York and he wants to play with Amar'e," said the source.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67786/20100703/knicks_want_to_pair_parker_with_amare/el/#ixzz0sdNjhkuG





Unconfirmed rumors have the Bulls sending Luol Deng to the Trail Blazers for Jerryd Bayless and Joel Przybilla.

This would be a salary-clearing move for Chicago, who would then be able to sign two max FAs without needing to work a sign-and-trade. Even if this deal was mentioned, Chicago won't be eager to unload Deng for next to nothing unless they're fairly certain that two max FAs actually want to be signed.

Source: CSN Bulls Insider


Carmelo Anthony is "strongly considering declining" the Nuggets' three-year, $65 million contract offer, according to Newsday. If he does decline, the Knicks may try to pry him from Denver with a trade offer.

The Nuggets could be forced to trade him to ensure he won't walk for nothing as a free agent, though at this point it's all speculation. Stoking the fires is the fact that Melo and his wife were both born in Brooklyn, and they recently listed their Denver-area mansion for sale.

[KoryMac5]

Dirk is back in Dallas: 4 yrs 80 million dollars, nice discount given to Cuban and the boys in big D.

[NJReds]

Knicks were apparently asked for another meeting late today w/LeBron's camp. VP and Asst. GM made the trip to Cleveland.

[Slyder]

Knicks were apparently asked for another meeting late today w/LeBron's camp. VP and Asst. GM made the trip to Cleveland.

Could the Knicks fit Lebron, Stoudamire, and Bosh under the same cap space? Cause otherwise I dont see LeBron fitting with the Knicks and getting them past the first round of the playoffs every year if they trade Lee and expect Stoutamire to be da man.

[NJReds]

Could the Knicks fit Lebron, Stoudamire, and Bosh under the same cap space? Cause otherwise I dont see LeBron fitting with the Knicks and getting them past the first round of the playoffs every year if they trade Lee and expect Stoutamire to be da man.

They could if they do a sign-and-trade w/Lee going to Toronto. Not sure why they'd want Bosh and Stoudemire. The Knicks would be better served trading for a point guard. The Parker to Knicks rumors won't die. Knicks also sniffing around Mike Miller, although I think he'll be overpaid by another team. They'd probably have to deal Curry's $11M expiring to get a point guard.

Also being reported that LeBron's business agent is meeting with Knicks brass in NY on Wednesday.

As with all of these reports ... it's coming from unnamed "sources." Same as the sources who say LeBron will not make a decision until after Wednesday. I have to think if that's the case, he's leaving Cleveland. Why wait so long otherwise. I've felt all along that he was staying, but now I'm not so sure.

[Slyder]

They could if they do a sign-and-trade w/Lee going to Toronto. Not sure why they'd want Bosh and Stoudemire. The Knicks would be better served trading for a point guard. The Parker to Knicks rumors won't die. Knicks also sniffing around Mike Miller, although I think he'll be overpaid by another team. They'd probably have to deal Curry's $11M expiring to get a point guard.

Also being reported that LeBron's business agent is meeting with Knicks brass in NY on Wednesday.

As with all of these reports ... it's coming from unnamed "sources." Same as the sources who say LeBron will not make a decision until after Wednesday. I have to think if that's the case, he's leaving Cleveland. Why wait so long otherwise. I've felt all along that he was staying, but now I'm not so sure.

I forgot about the Tony Parker rumors. Would be a nice scenario for LeBron where he wouldnt be needed to neccessarily play the point. I dunno about Stoudemire, I mean Steve Nash has such great court vision that it makes it that much easier for everyone on the court to score and has a Dantoni team ever played enough defense to make a run? I don't see NY (in the short term) as being the best option even in the same 50 mile radius, let alone the rest of the league.

If he wants to win now then it has to be Chicago or Cleveland.
If he is willing to give it a year then Miami is in play.
If he is just after as many endorsement deals (and happy with making the playoffs every year) that he can get then the Knicks and Nets are factors.

We shall see.

[NJReds]

I forgot about the Tony Parker rumors. Would be a nice scenario for LeBron where he wouldnt be needed to neccessarily play the point. I dunno about Stoudemire, I mean Steve Nash has such great court vision that it makes it that much easier for everyone on the court to score and has a Dantoni team ever played enough defense to make a run? I don't see NY (in the short term) as being the best option even in the same 50 mile radius, let alone the rest of the league.

If he wants to win now then it has to be Chicago or Cleveland.
If he is willing to give it a year then Miami is in play.
If he is just after as many endorsement deals (and happy with making the playoffs every year) that he can get then the Knicks and Nets are factors.

We shall see.

I didn't know he was running a camp until Wednesday. That's why he's probably waiting to make an announcement. I think he's staying in Cleveland.

[Eric_the_Red]

I didn't know he was running a camp until Wednesday. That's why he's probably waiting to make an announcement. I think he's staying in Cleveland.

I think if he was staying in Cleveland, he'd announce it before/during the camp. If he waits until after the camp is over, I think he is leaving.

[Scrap Irony]

How about a sign and trade with San Antonio: David Lee for Tony Parker?

Lee would give Duncan a huge boost, allowing him to play fewer minutes in the regular season. A four-headed monster of Lee, Blair, McDyess, and Duncan for two spots (along with limited Bonner minutes as a 3-point sniper from long distance) should make them tough to beat later on. Too, the Spurs have George Hill, who was ridiculously good as a PG for San Antonio.

Or, if you're really daring, there's always a sign-and-trade with Washington for Glbert Arenas. Lee for Arenas would give NY a scorer and a PG handle to pair with James. Give the Wiz Eddie Curry, too, in order to balance salaries.

[cincrazy]

I didn't know he was running a camp until Wednesday. That's why he's probably waiting to make an announcement. I think he's staying in Cleveland.

I think he's going to announce that he's staying during the camp or just after the conclusion of the camp. Nothing like giving himself even MORE publicity to wrap up this whole ridiculous process.

[NJReds]

How about a sign and trade with San Antonio: David Lee for Tony Parker?

Lee would give Duncan a huge boost, allowing him to play fewer minutes in the regular season. A four-headed monster of Lee, Blair, McDyess, and Duncan for two spots (along with limited Bonner minutes as a 3-point sniper from long distance) should make them tough to beat later on. Too, the Spurs have George Hill, who was ridiculously good as a PG for San Antonio.

Or, if you're really daring, there's always a sign-and-trade with Washington for Glbert Arenas. Lee for Arenas would give NY a scorer and a PG handle to pair with James. Give the Wiz Eddie Curry, too, in order to balance salaries.

Wouldn't touch Arenas' $80M contract w/a 10-foot pole. It's that type of move that destroyed the Knicks 10-years ago. Oddly enough, it started with a max contract to a player with bad knees (Houston).

[RBA]

This is pathetic....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5359255

Go LAKERS!!!

[reds44]

LeBron is a joke, how he has handled this process is an even bigger joke. Congrats LeBron, you got everybody to look at you.

Kobe was a free agent and it was NOWHERE near this big of a circus. LeBron is a big ole attention *****.

[texasdave]

x

[Eric_the_Red]

LeBron is announcing his decision Thursday on ESPN. That makes him a joke?

ESPN would show/announce his decision almost immediately anyway. By him inviting ESPN in, he can control the announcement more, and also extend the LBJ brand, something that is very valuable to him.

A joke? No. Smart businessman? More likely. Let's not forget one of his good buddies is Jay-Z, perhaps the most savvy businessman in hip-hop and very intelligent man.

[Cedric]

LeBron is a joke, how he has handled this process is an even bigger joke. Congrats LeBron, you got everybody to look at you.

Kobe was a free agent and it was NOWHERE near this big of a circus. LeBron is a big ole attention *****.

Yeah I agree... Maybe Kobe can teach Lebron lessons on class and how to treat women?

I mean considering we are judging here.

That's not even mentioning his radio act demanding a trade and forcing teams to come to him like Lebron did in 04. Acting like Kobe has no ego is one of the funniest things I've heard recently.

[Razor Shines]

I have to think the fact that he's announcing it on ESPN is good news for Cleveland fans. I can't imagine that he'd do something like this and announce he's leaving, that would be a big "suck it" to Cavs fans everywhere.

[freestyle55]

ESPN reporting Bosh and Wade are going to play in Miami, so unless LeBron goes there as well, say hello to 5 more years of no championships...

So I guess the ESPN basketball reporters can take the next 2 days off, since they won't be breaking any big news...


His hour long special is a joke. It would be awesome if no one watched it until the last 2 minutes, since the first 58 will be the media fawning over him and commericials...

[RedsBaron]

His hour long special is a joke. It would be awesome if no one watched it until the last 2 minutes, since the first 58 will be the media fawning over him and commericials...

I agree.
I hope in the final two minutes of his "special" LeBron walks out with Brett Favre and Tiger Woods and the trio then announces they are going to play the PGA, NFL and NBA seasons together.

[NJReds]

From NY Daily News reporter Frank Isola via Twitter:


Sources: LeBron’s decision to be based on which team’s bench players create most insufferable dance routine during player introductions.

At this point, where this process has gone completely over to the ridiculous, it actually makes sense even though this is a joke.

A 1-hour special ... really. Get over yourself LeBron.

[Slyder]

From NY Daily News reporter Frank Isola via Twitter:



At this point, where this process has gone completely over to the ridiculous, it actually makes sense even though this is a joke.

A 1-hour special ... really. Get over yourself LeBron.

He's doing this to try and help Cleveland recruit other guys. This is a PR stunt that if he were going to NY (Amare), Chicago (Rose) or Miami (Wade/Bosh) wouldn't need.

[Tony Cloninger]

He is giving Joey Votto pointers ion how to handle his FA tour in a few years.

Is this going to be like an After School Special? Where we all learn a lesson in the end?

[NJReds]

He's doing this to try and help Cleveland recruit other guys. This is a PR stunt that if he were going to NY (Amare), Chicago (Rose) or Miami (Wade/Bosh) wouldn't need.

He's doing it to help Lebron, Inc.

Nothing else. It's ego.

[savafan]

Lance just tweeted that Miami is the favorite to land Lebron's services.

[NJReds]

Lance just tweeted that Miami is the favorite to land Lebron's services.

Makes sense. Based on how LeBron played down the stretch in the playoffs, he need a guy like Wade to carry him.

[Slyder]

Makes sense. Based on how LeBron played down the stretch in the playoffs, he need a guy like Wade to carry him.

I said it before and I'll say it again. I would be shocked if LeBron went somewhere that he would be considered Scottie Pippen.

[TeamSelig]

LOL... Really?

Lebron is the best player in the NBA right now. No way is he 'Pippen' to Wade. I guess you just can't look past your dislike/hatred for him to realize how good he really is.

[NJReds]

LOL... Really?

Lebron is the best player in the NBA right now. No way is he 'Pippen' to Wade. I guess you just can't look past your dislike/hatred for him to realize how good he really is.

Hate him? I may actually be rooting for him if he decides to go to the Knicks.

But I still think this whole Free Agency 2010 thing, which will culminate with a 1-hour special on the news channel that's supposed to be reporting the news, not making the news, is ridiculous.

[Chip R]

Lance just tweeted that Miami is the favorite to land Lebron's services.


Well, if anyone would know, it'd be Lance. :rolleyes:

[TeamSelig]

ESPN asked Lebron for the special. All profits are going to the Boy's and Girls Club of America... but yeah, what an egomaniac.

[Razor Shines]

LOL... Really?

Lebron is the best player in the NBA right now. No way is he 'Pippen' to Wade. I guess you just can't look past your dislike/hatred for him to realize how good he really is.

Wow, that is the oddest way I've ever seen Kobe spelled.

[KoryMac5]

LOL... Really?

Lebron is the best player in the NBA right now. No way is he 'Pippen' to Wade. I guess you just can't look past your dislike/hatred for him to realize how good he really is.

No way Lebron heads to Miami to be second fiddle to Wade. Lebron will always be inferior to Wade in Miami because Wade did something James hasn't done, bring the first title to a team. James will always be inferior to Wade in titles. I don't think an ego driven guy like James will be able to swallow that for 5 yrs.

I think he stays in Cleveland but only signs a short term contract with them. If he was leaving Bosh would have signed with Chicago or one of the NY area teams not Miami.

[BRM]

Lebron asked ESPN for the special, not the other way around. The charity part is correct though.


Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that representatives for James contacted the network, proposing that James makes his announcement during the special.

Those sources said that James' representatives requested they be allowed to sell sponsorship for the one-hour special, with the proceeds going to the Boys and Girls Clubs of America, and that ESPN agreed to the proposal but had not been told what James has decided.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5360533

[Joseph]

Chicago looks to be the team on the outside looking in after its all said and done. Sort of surprising considering LeBron idolized MJ, and Wade is from Chicago.

It further ensures I won't pay a lot of attention to the NBA next season.

[Oxilon]

Wow, that is the oddest way I've ever seen Kobe spelled.

Kobe isn't the best player in the league. He hasn't been the best player in the league for a few seasons now. He just happens to be the best player on the best team (Don't know if that's going to be the case for next season).

[NJReds]

If LeBron goes to Miami, he'll help fill up that empty bandwagon. Maybe they'll sell out a few games.

[cumberlandreds]

Wade and Bosch have signed with Miami. They are recruiting James for Miami as stated in the article. I still think LeBron is all about the $$$$ and will sign with Cleveland since that's where he can make the most $$$$.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-wadebosh070610

[Sea Ray]

Wade and Bosch have signed with Miami. They are recruiting James for Miami as stated in the article. I still think LeBron is all about the $$$$ and will sign with Cleveland since that's where he can make the most $$$$.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-wadebosh070610

If he's all about the money then he'll sign in Florida where there's no ST income tax.

I agree with the poster earlier who said he'll stay in Cleveland but on a short term contract. He loves the attention so I'm sure he'd like to do this again in a few yrs

[NJReds]

If he's all about the money then he'll sign in Florida where there's no ST income tax.

I agree with the poster earlier who said he'll stay in Cleveland but on a short term contract. He loves the attention so I'm sure he'd like to do this again in a few yrs

And then he can go to the Nets when they're in Brooklyn, rather than wasting a couple years in Newark.

Only problem with this plan is that a new CBA is in the works, and chances are he'll be leaving a lot of money on the table if he does this.

[Yachtzee]

I hope they do a 1 hour LeBron James Variety Show, with special guests like Dolly Parton, David Hasselhoff and Tim Conway. Top it off with comedy sketches by each team courting LeBron. Lebron then goes to the that puts on the best sketch.

[bucksfan2]

I hope they do a 1 hour LeBron James Variety Show, with special guests like Dolly Parton, David Hasselhoff and Tim Conway. Top it off with comedy sketches by each team courting LeBron. Lebron then goes to the that puts on the best sketch.

I hope no one watches. One of those things "if a tree falls in a forest but no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?". I am annoyed and sick of this NBA free agency season.

[NJReds]

I hope they do a 1 hour LeBron James Variety Show, with special guests like Dolly Parton, David Hasselhoff and Tim Conway. Top it off with comedy sketches by each team courting LeBron. Lebron then goes to the that puts on the best sketch.

Awesome! Too bad Harvey Korman isn't around to start laughing uncontrollably during the LA Clippers sketch.

[NJReds]

LeBron is putting making Twitter even more relavant.

Rumors today range from:
- He's at a steakhouse in Manhattan w/D'Antoni, Walsh and Allan Houston (false)
- He's doing his show tomorrow night from Greenwich, Conn. (rumor)
- He's doing his show tomorrow night from Allan Houston's house in Greenwich, Conn. (rumor)

It is funny how different this is being reported than if it had occured 10 years ago.

[Yachtzee]

Awesome! Too bad Harvey Korman isn't around to start laughing uncontrollably during the LA Clippers sketch.

I was thinking that too. The Cavs could do an homage to the Dick Van Dyke show with Varejao flopping over the ottoman.

[paintmered]

I think he's headed to the Browns. They need a wide-out, right?

[Slyder]

I think he's headed to the Browns. They need a wide-out, right?

That would be HYSTERICAL!!!

[kaldaniels]

LeBron is putting making Twitter even more relavant.

Rumors today range from:
- He's at a steakhouse in Manhattan w/D'Antoni, Walsh and Allan Houston (false)
- He's doing his show tomorrow night from Greenwich, Conn. (rumor)
- He's doing his show tomorrow night from Allan Houston's house in Greenwich, Conn. (rumor)

It is funny how different this is being reported than if it had occured 10 years ago.

ESPN reporting this as fact.

[KoryMac5]

The Chicago Bulls have reached agreement with Carlos Boozer on a five-year contract worth $80 million, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.


Teams are starting to pick the apples a little closer to their reach now.

[RBA]

Looks like the Heat or the Bulls. They are both clearing roster spots to make room for at least 2 free agents. Miami has the benefit of no state income taxes.

RBA says HEAT!


<H1>Sources: LeBron leaning toward choosing Heat

July 8, 2010 By ALAN HAHN [email protected] ([email protected]?subject=Newsday.com Article)

After more than two years of planning and preparing, of salary dumping and cap-carving trades and wishful thinking, the Knicks may well find out that it was still not enough to land LeBron James.
According to multiple NBA sources, the two-time MVP Thursday night is expected to choose the Heat, where he would join fellow All-Stars Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh
</H1>http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/sources-lebron-leaning-toward-choosing-heat-1.2086128 (http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/sources-lebron-leaning-toward-choosing-heat-1.2086128)

[Mario-Rijo]

Teams are starting to pick the apples a little closer to their reach now.

Kinda stinks Boozer is all we end up with but he is what we have needed for so long, sort of. I would have much rather gotten Bosh at least and then made a deal for 'Melo or signed him next offseason.

I don't really have a dog in the LeBron to Miami or Cleveland fight (mostly) but if he chooses Miami I won't think nearly as much of him, I'd be really surprised if he goes there. I still say Cleveland with Chicago still the dark horse.

[Tony Cloninger]

Figures Jim Gray would be the MC to this freak show....from one jerk to another. Perfect.

This ruse about donating money and that is why he is doing this is absurd as well. He could afford to just donate that money out of pocket. This is all about LeBron. One last shot at being the center of attention. ESPN is now TMZ.

I like this quote......"It's gotten ridiculous," Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy said. "It's almost like a parody of itself, this whole situation now. Come on, an hour long? It takes 15 seconds to say I've decided to stay in Cleveland but we've got another 59 minutes and 45 seconds to, what? Promote LeBron James?

"As if we don't do that enough. Look, the guy's a great player and wherever he goes, my bet would be Cleveland, that place will be excited. But an hour-long special?"

[BRM]

I agree with Stan.

[bucksfan2]

I agree with Stan.

I like Stan!

[texasdave]

The Van Gundy brothers call it as they see it.

[Chip R]

If he does choose any other team but CLE, you're going to see CLE's heart rip apart like Ralph Wiggum's did when Lisa Simpson told him she didn't like him on TV.

[Razor Shines]

If he does choose any other team but CLE, you're going to see CLE's heart rip apart like Ralph Wiggum's did when Lisa Simpson told him she didn't like him on TV.

Yeah, that's what has me thinkin' it's gonna be Cleveland. Is he really gonna go on national TV and say "screw you Cleveland"? But everyone is now saying it's the Heat. We'll see.

[Yachtzee]

Yeah, that's what has me thinkin' it's gonna be Cleveland. Is he really gonna go on national TV and say "screw you Cleveland"? But everyone is now saying it's the Heat. We'll see.

Hey Lebron, the Jerk Store is on Line 1.

[BRM]

All indications are that LeBron James is leaning toward signing with the Miami Heat on Thursday night, according to several sources with knowledge of the situation.

Barring a late change of heart, sources say James has decided to join fellow All-Stars Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh to form a potential NBA powerhouse.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5363055

[kbrake]

Not a Cavs fan, in fact had been hoping for LeBron to leave cause I really don't like Cleveland but I already feel horrible for them. If he goes on TV to do it and actually leaves then wow. Hope he has more class than that.

[TeamSelig]

Where is MasonBuzz?

[Chip R]

I honestly think this is ESPN's idea more than anyone's. I think they kinda jollied him into it. Not that he's reluctant to do it but I think ESPN wanted to break the story themselves rather than relying on getting it second hand from Twitter or a press conference.

[Razor Shines]

I honestly think this is ESPN's idea more than anyone's. I think they kinda jollied him into it. Not that he's reluctant to do it but I think ESPN wanted to break the story themselves rather than relying on getting it second hand from Twitter or a press conference.

I don't understand why anyone would watch this thing. He's not gonna reveal most likely until the last five minutes. So tune in then, who cares about the rest?

[Chip R]

I don't understand why anyone would watch this thing. He's not gonna reveal most likely until the last five minutes. So tune in then, who cares about the rest?


A lot of people seem to think he'll do it within the 1st 15 minutes. Me, I'll be watching the Reds game and I'll find out in due time.

[Slyder]

I don't understand why anyone would watch this thing. He's not gonna reveal most likely until the last five minutes. So tune in then, who cares about the rest?

He could do it in the first 15-20 minutes:
Opening/Welcome (3-4 minutes)
Commercial (4-5 minutes)
Review of each team (6-7 minutes)
Announcement (45 seconds)
Video package of the "winner" to build the hype machine.

[Chip R]

He could do it in the first 15-20 minutes:
Opening/Welcome (3-4 minutes)
Commercial (4-5 minutes)
Review of each team (6-7 minutes)
Announcement (45 seconds)
Video package of the "winner" to build the hype machine.

Then 40 minutes of apologizing to CLE for not picking them.

[Eric_the_Red]

I plan on flipping between the Reds game and this. I'm interested in seeing what they fill most of the time with, actually seeing LeBron give his thoughts on his decision and of course, hearing where he is going.

[Slyder]

Then 40 minutes of apologizing to CLE for not picking them.

I still don't think he'd drag this out like this to piss off his home town and to become DWade's caddy in Miami. Don't get me wrong LeBron is great but Miami will always be DWade first when it comes to bball. Why? DWade already won his ring and LeBron hasnt. Would be different if one of the previous 4 years in Cleveland LeBron had been able to win it.

He enjoys the spotlight and being the center of attention. In Miami he would have to share that.

If he does go to Miami I see things going poorly between Wade and James over who is "The man" and make the Shaq/Kobe stuff look tame and minus the rings and quicker.

[Yachtzee]

I still don't think he'd drag this out like this to piss off his home town and to become DWade's caddy in Miami. Don't get me wrong LeBron is great but Miami will always be DWade first when it comes to bball. Why? DWade already won his ring and LeBron hasnt. Would be different if one of the previous 4 years in Cleveland LeBron had been able to win it.

He enjoys the spotlight and being the center of attention. In Miami he would have to share that.

If he does go to Miami I see things going poorly between Wade and James over who is "The man" and make the Shaq/Kobe stuff look tame and minus the rings and quicker.

And don't forget he tried to get Bosh to come to Cleveland. If he goes to Miami, he's Wade's caddy and Bosh's beotch.

[KoryMac5]

Haywood to the Mavs in a 55 million dollar deal.

The Heat had looked at Haywood hard to pair with Bosh as Bosh doesn't want to play center. The deal to the heat fell through in the last few days due to the Heat not having the cash to pay Haywood. I think this signing shows that Lebron is indeed headed to Miami. Yuck!

[texasdave]

Where is MasonBuzz? Negotiating with Lebron?

[NJReds]

A lot of Twitter-buzz that Miami may be a smokescreen and that LBJ is staying in Cleveland.

Knicks have a sign-and-trade to send David Lee to Golden State for Anthony Randolph, Kelenna Azubuike, Ronny Turiaf and a second-round pick if LBJ doesn't go to NY.

Knicks now setting themselves up to make a run at Chris Paul and Carmelo in 2011. And so it goes.

[KoryMac5]

Cleveland sure ain't scrambling to get anyone else to pair with James. They have been awful quiet so far this FA season.

[KoryMac5]

Looks like Cleveland is making one last pitch. I think they should have started a little earlier than a few hrs before the decision.


The Cavaliers are in trade talks with the Minnesota Timberwolves involving former Syracuse star Jonny Flynn.

The Plain Dealer's Brian Windhorst reports that multiple league sources have confirmed the Cavs' interest in acquiring the point guard, who is represented by Leon Rose, the same agent as LeBron James, as well as James' marketing firm.

Minnesota denies this and Kahn the GM is known to be a straight shooter on these kind of rumors.

[Yachtzee]

Cleveland sure ain't scrambling to get anyone else to pair with James. They have been awful quiet so far this FA season.

I've heard Dan Gilbert would spend what it takes to bring in anyone Lebron wants, but no one will do anything until Lebron decides to stay. Probably would have been able to get Bosh if Lebron had committed to the Cavs earlier, but Lebron let Bosh make the first move.

[Joseph]

LA Clippers.

You heard it here first.

[Sea Ray]

LA Clippers.

You heard it here first.

You serious?

[texasdave]

The Clippers would be the darkest of horses. Nice.

[WMR]

Where is MasonBuzz?

Probably looking for a pack of sharp razorblades as we type. :(

[Chip R]

LA Clippers.

You heard it here first.

100-1 shot.

I say Miami is even money, CLE at 3-1, CHI at 5-2, NY at 15-1, NJ at 50-1.

[KoryMac5]

Jalen Rose:
#NBA Sources tell me that Jay-Z just purchased 2 courtside tickets to the Miami Heat home games this season..(hmmm) Twitter

I don't think Jay Z would ponie up all that cake to rub elbows with Wade and Bosh.

[WVRed]

I still don't think he'd drag this out like this to piss off his home town and to become DWade's caddy in Miami. Don't get me wrong LeBron is great but Miami will always be DWade first when it comes to bball. Why? DWade already won his ring and LeBron hasnt. Would be different if one of the previous 4 years in Cleveland LeBron had been able to win it.

He enjoys the spotlight and being the center of attention. In Miami he would have to share that.

If he does go to Miami I see things going poorly between Wade and James over who is "The man" and make the Shaq/Kobe stuff look tame and minus the rings and quicker.

The fact that he is waiting until the end of the Nike Skills Academy in Akron speaks volumes. If he was staying in Cleveland, he would have announced it before the camp started. He had a contractual duty to honor and is waiting to fulfill it and get out of Dodge.

As for D-Wade, consider this logic: Put LeBron on any of last years teams except maybe the Knicks and that team would be a lock for the playoffs. Wade won his ring when Shaq was in Miami. The teams prior were lucky to make the playoffs, and the teams after really went downhill.

If I were Miami and they land LBJ, I would offer Michael Beasley to Memphis for OJ Mayo and see if they bite. Could you imagine?:

PG-OJ Mayo
SG-Dwayne Wade
SF-LeBron James
PF-Chris Bosh
C-Whoever

[Yachtzee]

Time for the "Decision" and TW Akron is out. Too funny.

[Eric_the_Red]

Time for the "Decision" and TW Akron is out. Too funny.

Maybe they pulled the plug to spare the Cleveland fans.

[Boston Red]

I can't believe I've wasted 20 minutes of my life on this.

[TeamSelig]

Miami is gonna be amazing. I'm interested to see what role players they can bring in along with them.

[Eric_the_Red]

That was quick:
http://store.nba.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4287986&cp=2834601.2836124.2710386.2482948.2806559

[Sea Ray]

I am mildly surprised at this. It's like the top FA signing with the Yankees. If he's truly the King then he should be able to bring a championship to a team that's not already stacked. This is a kiler for Cleveland. Unless the Browns surprise, that city may be the city of losers

[TeamSelig]

The fact that he is waiting until the end of the Nike Skills Academy in Akron speaks volumes. If he was staying in Cleveland, he would have announced it before the camp started. He had a contractual duty to honor and is waiting to fulfill it and get out of Dodge.

As for D-Wade, consider this logic: Put LeBron on any of last years teams except maybe the Knicks and that team would be a lock for the playoffs. Wade won his ring when Shaq was in Miami. The teams prior were lucky to make the playoffs, and the teams after really went downhill.

If I were Miami and they land LBJ, I would offer Michael Beasley to Memphis for OJ Mayo and see if they bite. Could you imagine?:

PG-OJ Mayo
SG-Dwayne Wade
SF-LeBron James
PF-Chris Bosh
C-Whoever

G/L getting Memphis to do that deal, though. I agree that it'd be a good idea to trade Beasley for a starting 1 or 5.

[KoryMac5]

Can't say I was shocked by LBJ going to Miami. They will definitley have to scrape the bottom of the league to fill out the rest of the roster. Miami has suspended season ticket sales as a result.

[flyer85]

The Heat have no one else. Finding 2-3 guys to the do the dirty work in obscurity is not an easy task especially when they need to get a couple of shooters as well.

IMO, if he wanted to win multiple championships then the Bulls were the best bet.

[Oxilon]

The Heat have no one else. Finding 2-3 guys to the do the dirty work in obscurity is not an easy task especially when they need to get a couple of shooters as well.

IMO, if he wanted to win multiple championships then the Bulls were the best bet.

There's a good chance neither 3 of them sign a max contract. The Heat will have cash and they'll find the role players to win a championship. The NBA...where predictable happens. *Yawn*

[TeamSelig]

Just think how easy it was for Boston to pick up quality players on the cheap. It's going to be 10x easier w/ Lebron, Wade, and Bosh.

Also remember they have quite a few decent 2nd Rd picks that will be able to play quality minutes (Pittman/Varnado/Butler).

They can probably pick up some guys like Eddie House, Earl Watson, Raja Bell, etc.

[flyer85]

You can find guys that have some skills but finding those guys who will be happy to defend, rebound and set screens may not be as easy as most people think.

[texasdave]

Celtics sign Jermaine O'Neal.

[TeamSelig]

You're forgetting how much superstar players make their teammates better. Even if they can't defend, Lebron or Wade will be right behind the player blocking their open lay up off the backboard.

[WMR]

I think this is awesome. :lol:

Maybe they can get Shaq to take the mid-level exception. :D

[WMR]

YouTube - Welcome to Miami Will Smith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUBB1lOLD6k)

[TeamSelig]

I think this is awesome. :lol:

Maybe they can get Shaq to take the mid-level exception. :D

They were under the cap, so they don't get the mid level this year. But maybe Zo will come out of retirement and sign for the minimum?

[WVRed]

G/L getting Memphis to do that deal, though. I agree that it'd be a good idea to trade Beasley for a starting 1 or 5.

I think it would be a possibility. They signed Rudy Gay to a max contract and added Xavier Henry in addition to OJ and Mike Conley. They are loaded at the guard position and wings. They need somebody to mesh with Marc Gasol on the inside.

I'm waiting for somebody to throw out a Mario Chalmers/Rajon Rondo comparison.

[WMR]

Part of me thinks they should trade Beasley, but he's also a very versatile player and could be a valuable piece if they can swing some other cheap value contracts.

[WMR]

I guess each of the 3 amigos will get 15-16 million per?

[cincrazy]

I'm not a Cleveland sports fan by any means. Generally speaking, I root for all Cleveland teams to fail miserably.

But to go on national TV and drag that whole process out the way he did, and then rip the heart out of all of the fans of the Cavs... WOW. Glad I'm not a Cavs fan.

[Joseph]

No longer a King, now just a court jester in DWades house.

[Eric_the_Red]

No longer a King, now just a court jester in DWades house.

A court jester that put himself in a great situation to win multiple championships. The Heat have 2 of the top 4 or 5 players in the league now.

[Revering4Blue]

But maybe Zo will come out of retirement and sign for the minimum?

Rony Seikaly's available.:D


Celtics sign Jermaine O'Neal

He'll improve their interior defense. That, more than anything, was the determining factor in the finals loss to LA.


David Lee has agreed to a six-year, $80 million deal with the Warriors via a sign-and-trade, according to multiple sources.

The Knicks are will receive Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Kelenna Azubuike back in return.

Golden State and New York had worked on the framework of a deal during the day on Thursday that was contingent on the decision of LeBron James.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67996/20100708/lee_agrees_to_golden_state_deal/el/#ixzz0t9FgQJTI


Good trade for the Knicks.

A rare feat, lately.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Part of me thinks they should trade Beasley, but he's also a very versatile player and could be a valuable piece if they can swing some other cheap value contracts.

Unless these guys are really taking a lot less than the max (which I doubt) they have to trade Beasley.

[cincrazy]

A court jester that put himself in a great situation to win multiple championships. The Heat have 2 of the top 4 or 5 players in the league now.

He's piggy-backing, IMO. An alpha dog like Jordan wants to destroy the best, not partner up with them. Lebron wants to be the greatest of all time. When that's your goal, you get viewed in a harsh light.

[Roy Tucker]

I was a little surprised at my gut reaction.

I thought at the end of it all, he'd go to Cleveland. When I heard Miami, my instant reaction was "I'll root for every team that plays against them and will *never* root for LeBron or the Heat. The heck with him and I wish him bad luck".

Bah, humbug.

[Yachtzee]

I was a little surprised at my gut reaction.

I thought at the end of it all, he'd go to Cleveland. When I heard Miami, my instant reaction was "I'll root for every team that plays against them and will *never* root for LeBron or the Heat. The heck with him and I wish him bad luck".

Bah, humbug.

I'm not an NBA fan in the least and never saw the Cavs at the Q (haven't been to Cavs games since World B. Free was playing). I've followed things with Lebron because I can't avoid it in Akron. Now I can go back to not hearing about it except when Lebron comes home and Cavs fans let him know how they feel. Of course how he handled things leaves me hoping the Heat fail to make the Playoffs. That would be funny.

I imagine when he's in his last few seasons he'll try a comeback with the Cavs to try to remove the stench of this circus from his legacy.

[Chip R]

At least CLE still has this

YouTube - HASTILY MADE CLEVELAND TOURISM VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY)

[top6]

HOLY CRAP!

Look at the open letter Dan Gilbert just posted on the Cavs web site (http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html)!

I'm going to post it here, because I bet it gets taken down soon:


Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his "decision" unlike anything ever "witnessed" in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.

Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.

The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.

There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.

You simply don't deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.

You have given so much and deserve so much more.

In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE"

You can take it to the bank.

If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.

Sorry, but that's simply not how it works.

This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown "chosen one" sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And "who" we would want them to grow-up to become.

But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called "curse" on Cleveland, Ohio.

The self-declared former "King" will be taking the "curse" with him down south. And until he does "right" by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.

Just watch.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day....

I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only:

DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdue....

Dan Gilbert
Majority Owner
Cleveland Cavaliers

Not sure if that's classy, but it's awesomely entertaining.

[Chip R]

Gilbert should just sell the Cavs right now. It'll be worth less and less as the days, months, years go on.

[CTA513]

Someone give Dan Gilbert the directions to the tissue aisle.

[Slyder]

He's piggy-backing, IMO. An alpha dog like Jordan wants to destroy the best, not partner up with them. Lebron wants to be the greatest of all time. When that's your goal, you get viewed in a harsh light.

LeBron just moved onto Scottie Pippen Blvd. What a pity too, he could be so much more. And to do it in such a way... the man isnt very smart for a guy saying this was a business decision.

[Razor Shines]

LeBron just moved onto Scottie Pippen Blvd. What a pity too, he could be so much more. And to do it in such a way... the man isnt very smart for a guy saying this was a business decision.

Please. Lebron is much better than Pippen ever was and Pippen was a great NBA player.

This can't be compared to Jordan and Pippen, this is a different than we've seen before. You guys are crazy if you think Jordan wouldn't have played with another super star if the opportunity arose.

I really can't see any fault with Lebron going to Miami. I think it was ridiculous for him to do it in the way he did with this "Decision" show. But I think going to Miami is a great decision for him. All three of these guys are better than the Celtics "Big Three".

[Revering4Blue]

The Heat and Timberwolves have agreed on a trade that will send Michael Beasley to Minnesota.

Minnesota will absorb Beasley's salary using their cap space and will send a second round pick in 2011. Sources say the two teams will also agree to swap a first round pick in the future.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68002/20100708/wolves_to_acquire_michael_beasley/el/##ixzz0t9qJe4xY