Royals interested in Bruce?

[corkedbat]

Maybe throw in a middling pitching prospect for two of (3B) Hunter Dozier, (OF) Bubba Starling, (OF) Jorge Banafacio or (1B/OF) Ryan O'Hearn

[JMO]

Getting just Peraza for Frazier was downright garbage. I have no faith in the Reds FO. So trading Bruce and Cozart is fine with me, but don't expect much

[TheBigLebowski]

They'll probably demand Jumbo Delabar. Or Blake Somsen.

[swaisuc]

Getting just Peraza for Frazier was downright garbage. I have no faith in the Reds FO. So trading Bruce and Cozart is fine with me, but don't expect much

The Frazier trade looks terrible, but no credit for all the other trades that look fine or great?

[schroomytunes]

I'd want Alec mills AA rhp, and one of bonafacio, dozier or hunter

[osuceltic]

Lazy question ... How are the prospects the White Sox sent to the Dodgers in the Frazier trade doing so far this season?

[CRDB40]

Lazy question ... How are the prospects the White Sox sent to the Dodgers in the Frazier trade doing so far this season?

Trayce Thompson (LAD/MLB): .280/.343/.559 with 7 HR/19 RBI in 102 PA
Micah Johnson (OKC/AAA): .262/.300/.326
Frankie Montas (TUL/AA): 2 IP/2 K/1 BB/1 HRA (working his way back after opening season on DL)

[CRDB40]

Maybe throw in a middling pitching prospect for two of (3B) Hunter Dozier, (OF) Bubba Starling, (OF) Jorge Banafacio or (1B/OF) Ryan O'Hearn

The Royals system has very, very few players I'd be interested in anymore. I'm not overly fond of Mondesi, but you aren't getting him for Bruce. I'm not a fan of Dozier, or Starling, or Almonte, etc.

I guess if that's the trade partner, I'd like to see them get guys like Nolan Watson, Chase Vallot, or O'Hearn. Josh Staumont would be an interesting wildcard, if anyone could team him how to throw the ball over the plate.

[UPRedsFan]

Lazy question ... How are the prospects the White Sox sent to the Dodgers in the Frazier trade doing so far this season?

Thompson is OPSing .902 in 93 ab's in LA (7 HR's)
Montas is on a rehab assignment
Johnson is in AAA hitting .262 and not getting on base.

[Kc61]

These rumors are the beginning of the dance that usually takes us to July.

We'll hear all kinds of rumors over the next two months involving Bruce and Cozart, primarily.

Given the Reds' recent history, I think Bruce will certainly be traded by the deadline. They will take the best deal they can get. If the Reds are dissatisfied with the offers, they will still trade him.

His value is enhanced by his uptick offensively, but his UZR rating is brutal and that may hurt with some clubs.

In Cozart's case, again based on the Reds' recent history, they will dangle him but the may choose to keep him. They control him for a bit longer and he brings stability to the Reds' infield. Anyone interested in Cozart will have to come up with a meaningful package in return.

[RedFanT]

I hope so. The sooner we get rid of Jay, the better for this team. He's just a slump away from reminding everyone he's a .230 hitter with subpar defense. Trade him while he's still hitting OK, and particularly to an AL team, which would be preferable for Bruce, since he could periodically DH (and relieve his knees and depreciating outfield range of his presence). Problem is, who would the Reds get in return? I'm not sure if the Royals have that player, and at this point it would likely be a salary dump from a potential 100-loss team. I don't think this would go like a potential Cozart trade (who is an outstanding fielder, playing the second most important defensive position on the field, and as such will command a higher return in any exchange of talent).

[Kc61]

I hope so. The sooner we get rid of Jay, the better for this team. He's just a slump away from reminding everyone he's a .230 hitter with subpar defense. Trade him while he's still hitting OK, and particularly to an AL team, which would be preferable for Bruce, since he could periodically DH (and relieve his knees and depreciating outfield range of his presence). Problem is, who would the Reds get in return? I'm not sure if the Royals have that player, and at this point it would likely be a salary dump from a potential 100-loss team. I don't think this would go like a potential Cozart trade (who is an outstanding fielder, playing the second most important defensive position on the field, and as such will command a higher return in any exchange of talent).

There should be no agonizing over the return for Bruce. His numbers for the last two years have been miserable. This year, his offense is back up there, but the defensive metrics are poor. He simply is not the player, and lacks the value, he was and had back in 2010-12.

A team looking for a hitter in the stretch drive should give up a solid prospect for Bruce, although not a top prospect. One solid prospect and maybe a throw in.

[REDREAD]

I hope so. The sooner we get rid of Jay, the better for this team. He's just a slump away from reminding everyone he's a .230 hitter with subpar defense. Trade him while he's still hitting OK, and particularly to an AL team, which would be preferable for Bruce, since he could periodically DH (and relieve his knees and depreciating outfield range of his presence). Problem is, who would the Reds get in return? I'm not sure if the Royals have that player, and at this point it would likely be a salary dump from a potential 100-loss team. I don't think this would go like a potential Cozart trade (who is an outstanding fielder, playing the second most important defensive position on the field, and as such will command a higher return in any exchange of talent).

At this point, I'd take a future bullpen arm for Bruce, or some B prospect.

I know this goes against popular sentiment, but I think at this stage of the Red's cycle, Cozart is more valuable to the Reds than Bruce is.

Cozart buys time for the Reds to play Peraza at SS in AAA (if that is still the plan, to try Peraza at SS). Cozart helps the defense (less pitches for this tired staff)

Bruce has no impact defensively, and if we fall back on the whole "Who cares about this year".. then the runs Bruce adds to the run differential really don't matter either.. The pen will blow the lead anyhow.

[RedFanT]

At this point, I'd take a future bullpen arm for Bruce, or some B prospect.

I know this goes against popular sentiment, but I think at this stage of the Red's cycle, Cozart is more valuable to the Reds than Bruce is.

Cozart buys time for the Reds to play Peraza at SS in AAA (if that is still the plan, to try Peraza at SS). Cozart helps the defense (less pitches for this tired staff)

Bruce has no impact defensively, and if we fall back on the whole "Who cares about this year".. then the runs Bruce adds to the run differential really don't matter either.. The pen will blow the lead anyhow.

I'd take a pack of Slim Jims, so long as we can get rid of Bruce's salary. Any prospect, even a B prospect, would be a major win. This season, when everyone thinks that we have the 'old' Jay back because of his offense, well, he has a -0.1 WAR because of his statue-like range in the outfield. It is absolutely killing all other aspects of his game, even his decent start on offense. What that means is that for Jay to be even a replacement level player, he's going to need to have an .880 or so OPS. That is unsustainable (he's never had an OPS for a season above .846). At this point, Jay's range is such a problem, I would be offering him up to an AL team (i.e., with the DH), looking for a bat (hoping against hope they're only looking at his 2016 numbers and not paying close attention to the previous two years).

[Bourgeois Zee]

I'd want Alec mills AA rhp, and one of bonafacio, dozier or hunter

Brooks Pounders would be an interesting secondary prospect. Good heat, throws strikes, big-bodied guy. Reminds me a bit of Eric Gagne (without the 'roids).