Royals interested in Bruce?

[LoganBuck]

I want the secondary piece in any deal for Bruce to be a quality bullpen arm. A Nick Masset if you will.

[RedEye]

I dunno about the thread title, but I do know Bruce is interested in "Royals"...

[corkedbat]

I was hoping for a prospect of some sort and Bubba Starling - don't see him as much more than a lottery ticket any more (one with a mediocre jackpot), but I'd still give him a shot).

[Tom Servo]

I'm over Starling, he's going on 24 and still isn't hitting. Bonifacio is still 22 and is off to a good start, and Dozier looks like he's finally showing signs of life after tanking for a year and a half in AA.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/...as-city-royals

[Chuckie]

Would the Blue Jays still be interested in Jay? We know there was a deal in place in the offseason. I wonder if they're still interested enough to give the Reds a decent prospect for Bruce.

[Chuckie]

Getting just Peraza for Frazier was downright garbage. I have no faith in the Reds FO. So trading Bruce and Cozart is fine with me, but don't expect much

I keep trying to talk myself into that trade (because I genuinely like Peraza) but there is no question in my mind the Reds didn't get full value for Frazier. People said Frazier wouldn't maintain his power after leaving GABP. Well, he has 13 HRs already this season with an OPS of .830. Imagine his value right now on the open market. You think the Reds could get more than just Jose Peraza and a couple scrub throw-ins for him? You better believe it.

And I'm not going to be happy when the Yankees fall out of the race (if they haven't fallen out of it already) and end up trading Chapman at the deadline ... and get more in return for him than we got from them. Rookie Davis looks good, but his K numbers are very low and did we really need another AA pitcher as the main piece in a deal for a prime trading chip? Jagielo, the other main part of the trade, is awful defensively and offensively (at least he's been awful offensively through 8 weeks this season).

At least the Cueto and Leake trades are looking great for the Reds. Otherwise, the rebuilding process would take longer than anyone expected. Trading Frazier for Peraza (right after the Chapman-for-Peraza deal fell through) was a complete panic move by the Reds. I said it at the time and it's even more evident today. Like I said, I keep trying to talk myself into that trade, but the Reds should have gotten more for Frazier. I'd feel different if 2016 was his final year under team control. But he was under control through 2017, which greatly helped his value. Or, at least would have if the Reds didn't panic.

[Elam]

Please let's not let the trading Bruce thread devolve back into another Frazier trade/ FO competency thread. That horse has been beaten to some realm past death on this board. We are where we are, let's talk about moving forward.

[TRF]

Maybe it's me, but I don't recall anyone doubting Frazier's ability to hit for power. They did and do doubt his ability to find 1B. Low average, few walks. We are 8 weeks in to this season, and I'd really rather the Reds got the White Sox prospects over the Dodgers (#TeamSchebler), but It can still even out.

meh.

[TheBigLebowski]

Please let's not let the trading Bruce thread devolve back into another Frazier trade/ FO competency thread. That horse has been beaten to some realm past death on this board. We are where we are, let's talk about moving forward.

Even Batman can't stop that from happening.

[M2]

If you believe Hunter Dozier's blistering start is for real, then he's probably a prime target.

[Elam]

Even Batman can't stop that from happening.

But he would try



In all seriousness I wouldn't mind talking about the value (or lack there of) of Bruce's defense. I've seen it mentioned a few times around the interwebs as a detractor to his trade value and most defensive metrics hate him (he has a -9 UZR so far his year). But is it really that bad and would it affect his value that much?

[RedTeamGo!]

I did not realize Jay Bruce was having such a horrendous defensive season.

-8 DRS
-9.0 UZR
-34.0 UZR/150
-10.7 DEF rating

As a result of his horrible defense his fWAR is actually -0.2

Trade this guy ASAP. His trade value is going to plummet sooner rather than later.

[JMO]

The Frazier trade looks terrible, but no credit for all the other trades that look fine or great?

I like every other trade before the Frazier deal. I admit that. Chapman was awful as well.

[OGB]

I keep trying to talk myself into that trade (because I genuinely like Peraza) but there is no question in my mind the Reds didn't get full value for Frazier. People said Frazier wouldn't maintain his power after leaving GABP. Well, he has 13 HRs already this season with an OPS of .830. Imagine his value right now on the open market. You think the Reds could get more than just Jose Peraza and a couple scrub throw-ins for him? You better believe it.

And I'm not going to be happy when the Yankees fall out of the race (if they haven't fallen out of it already) and end up trading Chapman at the deadline ... and get more in return for him than we got from them. Rookie Davis looks good, but his K numbers are very low and did we really need another AA pitcher as the main piece in a deal for a prime trading chip? Jagielo, the other main part of the trade, is awful defensively and offensively (at least he's been awful offensively through 8 weeks this season).

At least the Cueto and Leake trades are looking great for the Reds. Otherwise, the rebuilding process would take longer than anyone expected. Trading Frazier for Peraza (right after the Chapman-for-Peraza deal fell through) was a complete panic move by the Reds. I said it at the time and it's even more evident today. Like I said, I keep trying to talk myself into that trade, but the Reds should have gotten more for Frazier. I'd feel different if 2016 was his final year under team control. But he was under control through 2017, which greatly helped his value. Or, at least would have if the Reds didn't panic.

The Yankees have never really been known as a team to unload players at the deadline, so I wouldn't count on it.

As far as Bruce's defense goes, the whole thing is a bit shocking to me. Aren't we just a few years removed from him being an elite level defender? He had a very strong arm and was known as a cerebral defender who got great jumps and took great angles to help compensate for average speed.
Did he just "get old" that quickly?

[Tom Servo]

I did not realize Jay Bruce was having such a horrendous defensive season.

-8 DRS
-9.0 UZR
-34.0 UZR/150
-10.7 DEF rating

As a result of his horrible defense his fWAR is actually -0.2

Trade this guy ASAP. His trade value is going to plummet sooner rather than later.

I would also try to trade him ASAP (because if a team needs a hitter now why bother waiting?) but I don't think the defense will play a huge role one way or the other in another team's decision.