Royals interested in Bruce?

[Tom Servo]

People forget that.

love to see Jay channel his inner PFTCommenter.

[Chuckie]

Look at the 2015 MLB.com Pipeline top 100 for 2015.

Peraza is #24.

Maybe other lists too, but, definitely that one.

The 2015 list meant entering the 2015 season. There wasn't a prospect list entering the 2016 season that had Peraza as a top-25 overall prospect in baseball. You're saying he was top 25 a year before the trade. Not when the trade was made. Big difference.

PS: Frazier is now up to 18 HRs on the year; .OPS of .815. Just imagine what the Reds could get for him right now if they hadn't panicked when the Chapman-for-Peraza deal fell through. I can assure everyone of this: The Reds would get more than Peraza and two throw-ins for Frazier if they would have held on to him until the 2016 trade deadline. (And yes, I know Brandon Dixon is having an incredible stretch at Pensacola. But he's a 24-year-old at the Double-A level. Forgive me if I think he'll never be a factor for the Reds and is simply having a hot streak playing against younger competition in most cases.)

[M2]

The 2015 list meant entering the 2015 season. There wasn't a prospect list entering the 2016 season that had Peraza as a top-25 overall prospect in baseball. You're saying he was top 25 a year before the trade. Not when the trade was made. Big difference.

Correct. New top 100 lists hadn't been produced yet, but it was obvious at the time of the trade that Peraza would be dropping from his pre-2015 rankings.

[Cannon]

No point crying over spilt milk. The key is not making the same mistake with Bruce as was made with Frazier. Hold out for a good deal or don't move him. Would we have had a better return with Frazier right now? Yeah. Would it also have just been nice to keep Frazier in general? Yeah. However dwelling on it will help us in no way -- the important thing is just that the FO is smart about our transactions moving forward.

[REDREAD]

Several times this year I have wanted to ask if Bruce should have caught or dove for a ball that fell in front of him but I decided to let it go.

Yea, I agree.
And honestly.. I will even say this.
IF Bruce has that mindset, I don't blame him.
He's not dumb. He knows that this year is a big year for him. Based on what he does this year, he will either get a nice contract in the offseason or he will have to be someone's 4th OF and try to work his way back as a starter, which is hard to do after you've been branded as washed up.
Bruce knows his offensive numbers will matter more than the defensive ones.
Why should he risk getting hurt making a diving catch on a 100 loss team?
IF Bruce is thinking that way, I really don't blame him.
Why risk reinjuring something and possibly ending his career.

I can not read Bruce's mind, but my wild guess is that if he was playing for a contender, his defensive effort would improve. And I am not criticizing him for that.

[REDREAD]

I know this much, I'm setting a high price for Bruce if I'm the Reds. If teams wanted Bruce without giving up anything of real note for him, they had their chance and missed out. If someone like Indians want him, the conversation would start with Clint Frazier/Bradley Zimmer. I don't know where the Reds play him, or if he's a guy Cleveland wants to keep, but Jose Ramirez is pretty interesting as well.

I would be thrilled with Jose Ramirez.
But I think the time to get him was before this season when he looked like a former top prospect that lost his luster.
Although maybe Cleveland still had faith in him and he wasn't available.
Here's a nice update article on him
http://didthetribewinlastnight.com/b...-one-year-ago/

I doubt 193 at bats this season changes Bruce's market value significantly (Sadly).
The Reds couldn't give Bruce away in the spring, even if they ate 8 million of his salary.
So I don't see a big haul for Bruce, although I hope I am wrong.

I don't think anything could get the tribe to part with CFraizer or Zimmer.. That's just not the way the Indians work (which I disagree with, this is the year for them to go for it).

[REDREAD]

So, I'm probably pushing it by asking this, but if some team had a carbon copy of Peraza and Schebler, would you deal Bruce for that package? Anyone?

YES, in a heartbeat.

[membengal]

Bruce is currently hitting .280/.332/.591 for a .923 OPS. Top 20 OPS in baseball, I think? (just checked - he's 18th in OPS in all of MLB) Given that offense is still at a premium, I hope they are indeed still shopping him, and I hope teams know the asking price should have gone up from what it was over the winter/spring...

[REDREAD]

If you are gonna be disappointed in the return for Bruce why even trade him? Why not go ahead and keep him?

I think the answer is that expectations have to be lowered.
I would be thrilled to get another Peraza or Jose Rameriz for Bruce.. Heck, I would be happy with a prospect that is a potential future setup guy, kind of like Masset was when he was a prospect.

So trading Bruce for another Tim Hummel.. yes, I agree with you.. that is pointless.. But for a guy with a decent change of being a major leaguer, even a backup? I make the deal.

[Cannon]

I think the answer is that expectations have to be lowered.
I would be thrilled to get another Peraza or Jose Rameriz for Bruce.. Heck, I would be happy with a prospect that is a potential future setup guy, kind of like Masset was when he was a prospect.

So trading Bruce for another Tim Hummel.. yes, I agree with you.. that is pointless.. But for a guy with a decent change of being a major leaguer, even a backup? I make the deal.

So you're completely happy with trading Bruce, a proven 30+ HR hitter who, outside of injury seasons, puts up .320+ OBP, averaging 3.7 WAR over 4 seasons and generally good defending in RF, who is under 30, for...someone who might one day be an average or back-up player?

Insanity.

[TRF]

Dave Cameron just said on Twitter there are no good outfielders on the market. I tweeted him and said Jay Bruce is having a solid season, at least from the power department. He responded by saying "Jay Bruce has been a disaster in the field."

That is a good point, we may be overselling Bruce's worth right now. Defense is important and Bruce so far this season has been one of the worst fielders in major league baseball statistically. That has to be hurting his value.

There are 15 teams in the AL that can DH him.

Are there 15 DH's with better numbers? Are there even 3?

[Tom Servo]

To continue the idea of 'Bruce to Cleveland':

Jeff Passan
‏@JeffPassan
Source: There is serious concern from Indians that Michael Brantley is going to miss a significant amount of time with his shoulder injury.

[WrongVerb]

If Bruce was dealt to Cleveland, what should we expect to be a decent return?

[Cannon]

If Bruce was dealt to Cleveland, what should we expect to be a decent return?

Nothing less than one of Zimmer or Frazier, but I would hope they push hard for Frazier. Even if we have to add a bit more on our end.

[JMO]

I would ask for C Frazier and F Mejia(C)