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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    If Bruce was dealt to Cleveland, what should we expect to be a decent return?
    Like I said, I'd start the conversation at Frazier/Zimmer, though I doubt Cleveland would go for it just because they are so risk adverse and didn't even want to deal them for Todd Frazier. I'd ask about Jose Ramirez as well, I don't know if they believe in his hot start to 2016 or if they want to sell high or what.

    Beyond that, there isn't a whole lot that interests me. Brady Aiken still hasn't thrown a pitch yet. Triston McKenzie looks like an athletic freak and is probably someone the Indians will want to keep. Bobby Bradley is the classic "Big power, big strikeout" first baseman. Nelson Rodriguez is kind of the same. We could inquire about Francisco Mejia, but we have Stephenson in the low minors (though there's no sense in putting all your eggs in one basket, I suppose).
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    The White Sox have been targeting Jay Bruce according to this ...

    http://showtimesports.sportsblog.com...ay-bruce-.html

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    Agree with Redread, Cleveland is not going to trade Frazier for Bruce. They would not deal him or Zimmer for Frazier and while the need for an OF is heightened due to being in a pennant race, Frazier has met the challenge of AA ball by posting a .920 OPS at age 21 while lowering his strikeouts. Kid has great bat speed and good D. I am certain that if it came down to it, Cleveland would just as soon give Frazier or Zimmer a shot at the bigs before dealing either for Bruce.

    At the moment, Naquin is playing very well outside of his defense in center has been off some. They will roll with him giving them time to find a deal they are comfortable with.

    On Ramirez, yes the time to deal for him was over the winter. His play is not surprising however has he hit very well in the 2nd half after being recalled (.775 ops). Additionally, Francona loves players he can use all over the field from day to day, especially at 3B where they need help still.

    Cleveland has talent and depth, expect any deal to come from prospects not rated in their top 5.
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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Cleveland has talent and depth, expect any deal to come from prospects not rated in their top 5.
    Well then no Jay A. Bruce for them!
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    The White Sox have been targeting Jay Bruce according to this ...

    http://showtimesports.sportsblog.com...ay-bruce-.html
    I think I would need Tim Anderson for a White Sox deal to work for me, and I do not think they are dealing Anderson with Rollins being their starting SS.

    Their first rounder last year, Carson Fulmer, is pitching horribly in AA. I have no idea why he did not get more time in the low minors.

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    The White Sox have been targeting Jay Bruce according to this ...

    http://showtimesports.sportsblog.com...ay-bruce-.html

    Nice find. Too bad we can't get linked to a team with a deep minor league system.

    Waiting patiently for Bruce to be linked to the Rangers or Red Sox.

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    According to Pluto, the Tribe was willing to start with Ramirez for Frazier and then discuss the 2nd tier guys (Bradley, Clevinger, Sheffield). Such a deal would look good about now but Frazier and Zimmer are their top 2 prospects in talent and in need. And T Frazier carried more value than Bruce.

    Perhaps not being in the top 5 was too strong, but I can't see Aiken or Bradley being dealt either. That said, the Reds would be foolish to again take a hard stance with the Indians particularly when they have shown they will settle for much less in recent deals.
    Last edited by Bill; 06-06-2016 at 04:45 PM.

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    If the Indians won't give us Frazier for Bruce, maybe the White Sox will!

    Okay, maybe not.
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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Are you okay with trading Bruce for a package of only pitching prospects, or does a bat have to come back in return? Would getting Spencer Adams and a lower level pitching prospect from the white sox work?

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoTxRedsFan View Post
    Are you okay with trading Bruce for a package of only pitching prospects, or does a bat have to come back in return?
    Personally I think I would need a bat, but I wouldn't dismiss deals based on pitchers out of hand.
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    If the White Sox want Jay Bruce I want Tim Anderson. We'll send Zack Cozart along also.

    Again, people are far too obsessed with potential instead of looking at what a high end proven commodity like Bruce (despite the complaints against him because he didn't turn into Barry Bonds) is actually worth. The chances any of those prospects become as good as him are not exactly high, especially in terms of his offensive production.
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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Jay Bruce's trade value rising fast.. So far we have the Royals, White Sox and Giants showing interest in Bruce.

    http://www.outsidepitchmlb.com/jay-b...ati-reds/48126

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon View Post
    If the White Sox want Jay Bruce I want Tim Anderson. We'll send Zack Cozart along also.

    Again, people are far too obsessed with potential instead of looking at what a high end proven commodity like Bruce (despite the complaints against him because he didn't turn into Barry Bonds) is actually worth. The chances any of those prospects become as good as him are not exactly high, especially in terms of his offensive production.
    You're leaving out the most important part about prospects, the fact that their ML production comes at a bargain basement price.

    Tim Anderson may never have the type of career Bruce has had, but at some point he's going to be a starter and play for three years at well under $1mil per year and whoever has him will get a few more arbitration years before he begins to get paid anything of real consequence. If he's a star, that's a boon but even if he's just a second division regular they're still milking a ton of value out of him.

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon View Post
    If the White Sox want Jay Bruce I want Tim Anderson. We'll send Zack Cozart along also.

    Again, people are far too obsessed with potential instead of looking at what a high end proven commodity like Bruce (despite the complaints against him because he didn't turn into Barry Bonds) is actually worth. The chances any of those prospects become as good as him are not exactly high, especially in terms of his offensive production.
    Tim Anderson may be enough for Bruce alone, but dealing both Bruce and Cozart for a guy who has a similar minor league offensive stat line to Billy Hamilton, seems lopsided against the Reds to me. I would think if the Reds were to pair Bruce and Cozart, that they could get a bigger return than Tim Anderson.

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    Re: Royals interested in Bruce?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Jay Bruce's trade value rising fast.. So far we have the Royals, White Sox and Giants showing interest in Bruce.

    http://www.outsidepitchmlb.com/jay-b...ati-reds/48126
    Both the Giants and Royals also lack the top end prospect talent I would want in dealing Bruce. I know I may overvalue Bruce, but the Reds should not need to dump salary and there would have to be a whole lot of top 10 quantity to make me enticed by a Giants or Royals trade.

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