Pete Rose Committed Statutory Rape (according to court docs)

[RedsBrick]

Another statue for Pete.

One can only hope...

[mbgrayson]

Think this is like Cosby. Been out there awhile, but now it's going to get picked up for some reason.

It is getting 'picked up' because Pete seems to be admitting to it in newly filed court documents. The ESPN story states " Rose acknowledged he had a sexual relationship with the woman in court documents made public Monday, but he said his information and belief was that it started when she was 16." Dowd claims that Rose's relationship with this woman went on for 'several years'.

Of course what we are talking about happened over 40 years ago, and so no criminal charges seem possible due to the statute of limitations. However, even consensual sex with a 16 year old (when Rose was 34 and married) seems relevant to Rose's lawsuit against Dowd. Dowd claimed that Rose was being provided with girls from age 12 to 14 by Michael Bertolini, which would clearly have been criminal. Rose is suing claiming that was a lie (libel/slander/defamation). The now admitted fact about Rose having what sounds likes an ongoing affair with a girl who was 15 or 16 at the time is similar, but not quite right on point with Dowd's original claim.

The statute of limitations in Ohio for sexual contact with a minor (under 16) is currently "20 years after victim turns 18 or after notification to authorities, whichever comes first". So 'Jane Doe' had until she turned 38 to report this if she wanted criminal prosecution, which apparently she did not. Still, if this all happened in the 1970s, she had until sometime in the 1990s to file charges.

Looking at the ongoing Rose v. Dowd saga, I have no respect for either of these men. If Dowd knew (in 1989 when he wrote his report) that Rose had sex with an underage girl back in the 70s, why didn't he report it to the authorities, and get a timely investigation and possible prosecution? By sitting on this for so long, he helped protect Rose... if his allegation was true.

I found this tidbit at the end of the ESPN story interesting: "Dowd, also 76, is a former federal prosecutor and a longtime Washington attorney who is now leading President Donald Trump's legal defense team in the Russia probe." I didn't know that....

[Boston Red]

If Dowd knew (in 1989 when he wrote his report) that Rose had sex with an underage girl back in the 70s, why didn't he report it to the authorities, and get a timely investigation and possible prosecution? By sitting on this for so long, he helped protect Rose... if his allegation was true.

I don't know. It really isn't anyone's business other than Rose and the woman. If in her 20s and 30s she either felt that (a) Rose hadn't wronged her or (b) she didn't want to rehash the issue, I don't think it's really Dowd's place to make that call for her.

[Tracy Jones]

Roger Clemens approves this thread.

[Tracy Jones]

And if Rose is slimy (he is) what does that make Dowd for what seems to be releasing this info to the public for no other particular reason aside from being "mad" at Pete?

Answer? Worse

[RedTeamGo!]

My mom was 16 when my dad (age 21) asked her parents (my grandparents) for her hand in marriage, which they gave their blessing. Mom was pregnant with me by the time she was 17 and I was born in 1978 at old Bethesda North Hospital in Cincinnati.
In no way do I feel as if I am a product of some sorta psycho rape culture because this was normal civilized behavior back then.

"Rape" was something completely different in the 1970's. Now, if Pete was wearing a mask and hiding in the bushes force raping a bunch of kids then obviously he's a piece of dung.
But if he was engaging in consensual sex with a 16 year old in the 1970's then I say leave him alone about it..

Your 21 year old dad asked a 16 year old to marry him? How old was she when he started dating her? Did they ask the parents for consent like when she turned 16? Was your dad like cruising the high school dances like Mathew McConahay in Dazed and Confused? She had you "by the time" she was 17 and they asked to get married when she turned 16? Did they get married the same day? I have so many questions.

[RedTeamGo!]

And if Rose is slimy (he is) what does that make Dowd for what seems to be releasing this info to the public for no other particular reason aside from being "mad" at Pete?

Answer? Worse

Nah, raping a teenager is worse than words.

[Tony Cloninger]

A little bit off topic, but do you guys think that Jesse Winker profiles more like Pete Rose or is he just the next Hal Morris??

Well let's hope it's not Sundown Danny Thomas since you're all off topic.

[reds44]

A little bit off topic, but do you guys think that Jesse Winker profiles more like Pete Rose or is he just the next Hal Morris??

Some of the posts in this thread are absolutely appalling, but all things considered this might be my favorite post in rz history.

[dougdirt]

And if Rose is slimy (he is) what does that make Dowd for what seems to be releasing this info to the public for no other particular reason aside from being "mad" at Pete?

Answer? Worse

I guess I'll just post this for a second time in two pages.....

[Mutaman]

Pete, the Banana Man, Charlie- must be something in the water in that town. Does this mean i can't watch Rosemary's Baby or the Pianist anymore?

[dougdirt]

Your 21 year old dad asked a 16 year old to marry him? How old was she when he started dating her? Did they ask the parents for consent like when she turned 16? Was your dad like cruising the high school dances like Mathew McConahay in Dazed and Confused? She had you "by the time" she was 17 and they asked to get married when she turned 16? Did they get married the same day? I have so many questions.

I've got a feeling that dad and mom may have made a mistake and that's what resulted in the asking for her hand in marriage at 16... but that's just me (also one of those little high school mistakes).

[757690]

I'm just going to leave this here:

[CrackerJack]

Nah, raping a teenager is worse than words.

Yep, disgusting, legal age of consent or not when they're under 18. That said, I've known several women who've known, dated or had relationships with Reds' players in the late 90's and early-mid 2000's - guys you thought were fairly squeaky clean are womanizing, perverted jerks in "real life," they were high profile players as well. The things they do on "dates" (away from their wives) in the privacy of hotel rooms and apartments made me squeamish and lose a lot of respect for pro jocks in general (they aren't all bad, of course, but you just don't really know - their public persona can be quite the opposite of who they are on the road at night. It's a lifestyle we can't relate to or imagine, and the more popular/richer they are, the worse the stories seem to get. That a 16 or 17 year old gets into the mix doesn't surprise me at all - especially 30+ years ago. And no I'm not coming close to defending it.

Rose was a blue collar kid from the west side, wasn't particularly intelligent and was a bit of a street kid to-boot, and the 70's were notorious for extremes. That he did such a thing doesn't surprise me, and just based on personal experience/knowledge, it's hard for me to view him any differently than I do a lot of pro ball players - I've rarely, if ever, admired professional athletes for who they are as people or off the field. Rose is no different. The exceptions to that are nice though.

I'm guessing half of the HOF is full of guys who have done close-to or similar things, or things that you would never want your kids to know about. Good player doesn't always equal good person, no matter how they're depicted by George Grande and Jim Day on TV.

Just my 2 cent.

[Larry Schuler]

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