Phil Castellini surprised that Opening Day tickets still unsold

[GullyFoyle]

I try to catch them in SF every year, but I want to know the gate money breakdown now.

[LeatherPants]

I try to catch them in SF every year, but I want to know the gate money breakdown now.

It's 48%. Home team keeps 52%, they put 48% into the common pool, Reds then get 1/30 of that pool.

[Lex2020]

I guess it's not enough to watch them gut the team, we have to like it as well.

[Sea Ray]

Also, the Reds pay $1.00 a year for rent at the stadium.

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That's just if you believe there's such a thing as a "small market team".

There's really isn't.

This isn't the NFL

[Unassisted]

That's just if you believe there's such a thing as a "small market team".

There's really isn't.

Well, Cincinnati is the 37th largest TV market in the US. In a 30-team league, where only 1 of the 30 is in a market ranked lower, I think it's safe to say the Reds are nearly the smallest market team.

While you're looking at that list I linked above, ponder the markets ranked higher (17, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 29-33 and 35) that don't have MLB teams. I think there's a strong case to be made for putting MLB in North Carolina.

[missionhockey21]

Well, Cincinnati is the 37th largest TV market in the US. In a 30-team league, where only 1 of the 30 is in a market ranked lower, I think it's safe to say the Reds are nearly the smallest market team.

While you're looking at that list I linked above, ponder the markets ranked higher (17, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 29-33 and 35) that don't have MLB teams. I think there's a strong case to be made for putting MLB in North Carolina.

That is an imperfect metric when it comes to evaluating a market for a specific sport. Going off of that, revenue for the Rays should be through the roof (location of stadium be darned.) Las Vegas would be as questionable as Cincinnati.

It matters, don't get me wrong, but the Reds punch higher than their market when it comes to securing deals as typically (though going forward, who knows) they command more of their market than a TB does or other 'smaller' market team.

The simple truth is that Cincinnati is a fine smaller market for baseball, but even better for incompetent ownership that delivers more insults than playoff-caliber seasons.

Make no mistake though, with Manfred at the helm of the broader game and our very own Failson set to take over one day, whatever punching above their weight that Cincinnati has had will continue to erode (as it has been for a couple of decades now.)

[joshua]

When you factor in more than the immediate metro area, the Reds territory is much larger than people would expect...

With the trash ownership and never competing, that's going to shrink fast.

[REDREAD]

That is an imperfect metric when it comes to evaluating a market for a specific sport. Going off of that, revenue for the Rays should be through the roof (location of stadium be darned.) Las Vegas would be as questionable as Cincinnati.

It matters, don't get me wrong, but the Reds punch higher than their market when it comes to securing deals as typically (though going forward, who knows) they command more of their market than a TB does or other 'smaller' market team.

The simple truth is that Cincinnati is a fine smaller market for baseball, but even better for incompetent ownership that delivers more insults than playoff-caliber seasons.

Make no mistake though, with Manfred at the helm of the broader game and our very own Failson set to take over one day, whatever punching above their weight that Cincinnati has had will continue to erode (as it has been for a couple of decades now.)

Yep, Reds are near several large cities, there's a lot of untapped potential, but the Reds would have to try to win to tap into that.
In the Walt years, the Reds drew 2.4-2.5 million.. Last year, they only drew 1.5 million
I imagine that attendance is somewhat correlated with TV viewers too.
Reds are cutting their own throat long term.
Look back to the Marge era, I believe it was 1995, the Reds had a top 5 payroll in baseball.
I am not saying the Reds could do that today, but there's enough money to field a much better team than they have today.
If ownership did that, the fans would come.
But unfortunately, it's more profitable to field a losing team, and that's all Phil and Bob care about.

[Falls City Beer]

https://defector.com/reds-president-...l-their-fault/

[backbencher]

Well, Cincinnati is the 37th largest TV market in the US. In a 30-team league, where only 1 of the 30 is in a market ranked lower, I think it's safe to say the Reds are nearly the smallest market team.

In the old CBA, there was an owner-and-union agreed ranking of markets by size for competitive balance and other purposes. Unsurprisingly, Cincinnati was dead last.

Haven't looked at the new CBA. Largely because, with few exceptions, these debates are not about facts, but feels.

[Redsfan6272]

Phil should be more worried what the next 79 home games are like after his bashing fans comments...

[RedTeamGo!]

Phil should be more worried what the next 79 home games are like after his bashing fans comments...

If the Reds lose like 20 of their next 30 and are looking at 12-24 record, or something similar, the attendance is going to get reaaaaaaaalllll bad. I just saw some images from todays game. I get it, early afternoon weekday game with poor weather, it looked like a Rays game. If people shun the Reds the owners will have to sell. I am starting to think this is the beginning of the end.

[Playadlc]

This is legitimately insane. Dude looks like used car salesman from the Bronx named Tony Dollars.

This is like something out of a bit from prime Simpsons

I’m not caught up yet in this thread, but Tony Dollars is some A+ material.

[Redhook]

This isn’t rocket science. Winners win, losers lose. If the Reds management tried and put together a quality roster and won actual baseball games then fans would go to the ballpark in droves. When the Reds are winning, they tend draw 10k more per game than they do when they stink. That’s approximately $25,000,000 in increased ticket sales on the low end. Then, they’d double or triple that number in concessions, merchandise, parking, etc. TopGolf, for example, makes 82% of their revenue on F&B and they gross over a billion dollars a year. You know, “butts in the seats”. That’s the most maddening part to all of this. If the Reds tried, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE in the Cincinnati area would benefit. Owners, fans, restaurant owners, the players, etc. etc. The ignorance and the arrogance by Reds management is so moronic on so many levels.

[Big Red Smokey]

The payroll may be cut but 24oz beers are now a healthy $16 at GABP