Reds Trade And Free Agent Rumours 2023-24 Offseason

[TheBigLebowski]

There's our veteran outfield bat for next season.

I am taken aback at this largesse.

[WildcatFan]

Reds claimed OF Bubba Thompson off waivers from KC.

I remember thinking he was gonna be a star.

[RED VAN HOT]

Plus speed. Thompson is worth a shot if you have the slots for it. Makes me wonder even more about what the Reds will do with their 40 man roster.

[mth123]

There's our veteran outfield bat for next season.

RH Bat who doesn't hit lefty pitching. Or any pitching really. Reds are going to really struggle against LHP next year. Newman was one of the better bats and is already gone. Votto and Senzel were two others who are likely gone. Fraley and Benson (and probably EDLC) need platoon mates. CES, Marte, India don't hit against LHP. Assuming around 50 starts by LH opponents and I'd guess 15-35 in those games unless they make an acquisition or keep Senzel and Votto around. Right now they'll be lucky to have a line-up that is 5 deep against LHP and that assumes they use Stephenson as DH against LHP. Friedl McLain, Steer, Stephenson, Maile and that's all they've got right now.

[Strikes Out Looking]

RH Bat who doesn't hit lefty pitching. Or any pitching really. Reds are going to really struggle against LHP next year. Newman was one of the better bats and is already gone. Votto and Senzel were two others who are likely gone. Fraley and Benson (and probably EDLC) need platoon mates. CES, Marte, India don't hit against LHP. Assuming around 50 starts by LH opponents and I'd guess 15-35 in those games unless they make an acquisition or keep Senzel and Votto around. Right now they'll be lucky to have a line-up that is 5 deep against LHP and that assumes they use Stephenson as DH against LHP. Friedl McLain, Steer, Stephenson, Maile and that's all they've got right now.

Please don't pollute the board with well written analysis on something like this. "If there not league minimum, they aren't solutions" will be the mantra this offseason on offense no matter specific holes that need to be filled.

[Falls City Beer]

Don't the Reds always acquire Bubba's that flame out at the MLB level?

Who was the other one?

[REDREAD]

Don't the Reds always acquire Bubba's that flame out at the MLB level?

Who was the other one?

Bubba Nelson from the Reistma trade with Atlanta?

[JCM11]

CES, Marte, India don't hit against LHP.

It's way too early to be making the claim that CES and Marte don't hit LHP. The fact is there aren't many good LHP in the minor leagues so some adjustment time is needed. CES has had 60 PA vs LHP and Marte 35. Marte also hit .313 with a .371 OBP. CES destroyed LHP and RHP equally in AAA these two will be fine. Elly I'm not so sure about.

[texasdave]

Don't the Reds always acquire Bubba's that flame out at the MLB level?

Who was the other one?

Bubba Crosby?

[mth123]

It's way too early to be making the claim that CES and Marte don't hit LHP. The fact is there aren't many good LHP in the minor leagues so some adjustment time is needed. CES has had 60 PA vs LHP and Marte 35. Marte also hit .313 with a .371 OBP. CES destroyed LHP and RHP equally in AAA these two will be fine. Elly I'm not so sure about.

They don't hit big league lefties until they do. So far they haven't. I wouldn't go into the season hoping they do when the line-up is already so short against LHP. CES and Marte should play against LHP, but that's why they need some proven production against LHP in the platoon spots. Right now, there is no one to play when Benson and Fraley sit.

[Z-Fly]

Bubba Nelson from the Reistma trade with Atlanta?

Bubba and the Bong. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

[*BaseClogger*]

They don't hit big league lefties until they do. So far they haven't. I wouldn't go into the season hoping they do when the line-up is already so short against LHP. CES and Marte should play against LHP, but that's why they need some proven production against LHP in the platoon spots. Right now, there is no one to play when Benson and Fraley sit.

I'd be willing to make a significant bet with you that CES and Marte combined will have a better OPS vLHP than vRHP in 2024. It's how baseball works.

[Slyder]

RH Bat who doesn't hit lefty pitching. Or any pitching really. Reds are going to really struggle against LHP next year. Newman was one of the better bats and is already gone. Votto and Senzel were two others who are likely gone. Fraley and Benson (and probably EDLC) need platoon mates. CES, Marte, India don't hit against LHP. Assuming around 50 starts by LH opponents and I'd guess 15-35 in those games unless they make an acquisition or keep Senzel and Votto around. Right now they'll be lucky to have a line-up that is 5 deep against LHP and that assumes they use Stephenson as DH against LHP. Friedl McLain, Steer, Stephenson, Maile and that's all they've got right now.

Maybe we should try and make him a switch hitter and a bunt machine? Extra guy for spring training (if he sticks that long), they should be farming the waiver wire for guys who might have something to prove. I certainly perfer him over Wil Myers we were given to start last year. Mqybe he can sit under the Votto learning tree and pick up something to make the bat work better .

[mth123]

I'd be willing to make a significant bet with you that CES and Marte combined will have a better OPS vLHP than vRHP in 2024. It's how baseball works.

You could easily be right. I'd guess at least one of them probably will. That's different from what I'd plan on. Right now, assuming Votto and Senzel are gone, they have five guys with big league success against LHP and one of those is Maile who isn't really an offensive force against anyone.

Best case is you'd have CES, McLain, EDLC, Marte in the IF,. Maile catching, Stephenson at DH and an OF of Steer, Friedl and either Fairchild or Nelson. They need at least one more guy who provides middle of the order type production against LHP. If using Stephenson at DH that much is an issue (and I think it is) then they need 2 guys. Nelson doesn't really fill that role. If there is room, he can be a last guy on the bench who pinch runs type, but I wouldn't plan on anything more than that from him.

[westofyou]

I'd be willing to make a significant bet with you that CES and Marte combined will have a better OPS vLHP than vRHP in 2024. It's how baseball works.

Make that bet

Here are the team splits for each season since 2010 ranked by OPS +

1 = vs LHP as LHB
2 = vs LHP as RHB
3 = vs RHP as LHB
4 = vs RHP as RHB

Hand	Split		         BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	tOPS+	Year
3	vs RHP as LHB		.288	.381	.511	.892	145	2012
3	vs RHP as LHB		.302	.378	.532	.909	134	2010
3	vs RHP as LHB		.280	.386	.453	.839	134	2013
3	vs RHP as LHB		.280	.373	.474	.846	130	2011
1	vs LHP as LHB		.271	.347	.499	.846	129	2011
1	vs LHP as LHB		.266	.369	.434	.802	128	2015
3	vs RHP as LHB		.276	.352	.454	.806	123	2016
1	vs LHP as LHB		.250	.350	.456	.805	122	2012
3	vs RHP as LHB		.275	.358	.472	.831	118	2017
3	vs RHP as LHB		.272	.348	.480	.828	118	2021
1	vs LHP as LHB		.271	.361	.478	.839	116	2010
3	vs RHP as LHB		.256	.337	.468	.805	115	2023
3	vs RHP as LHB		.229	.338	.428	.766	115	2020
2	vs LHP as RHB		.254	.324	.401	.725	114	2022
1	vs LHP as LHB		.267	.335	.438	.774	113	2016
3	vs RHP as LHB		.242	.339	.440	.779	112	2019
2	vs LHP as RHB		.264	.337	.440	.777	111	2019
2	vs LHP as RHB		.282	.350	.419	.769	110	2011
3	vs RHP as LHB		.269	.353	.410	.762	110	2018
2	vs LHP as RHB		.270	.321	.440	.761	109	2012
2	vs LHP as RHB		.244	.306	.381	.687	108	2014
3	vs RHP as LHB		.253	.335	.391	.726	107	2015
1	vs LHP as LHB		.256	.331	.457	.788	106	2017
1	vs LHP as LHB		.253	.346	.422	.768	106	2023
3	vs RHP as LHB		.228	.303	.392	.695	105	2022
2	vs LHP as RHB		.259	.326	.418	.744	104	2018
1	vs LHP as LHB		.264	.340	.393	.733	102	2018
1	vs LHP as LHB		.239	.337	.383	.719	101	2013
4	vs RHP as RHB		.240	.290	.376	.666	101	2014
2	vs LHP as RHB		.259	.329	.418	.747	100	2023
4	vs RHP as RHB		.246	.325	.425	.750	98	2021
1	vs LHP as LHB		.215	.318	.344	.663	97	2022
2	vs LHP as RHB		.263	.341	.420	.761	97	2010
2	vs LHP as RHB		.216	.288	.423	.710	97	2020
3	vs RHP as LHB		.236	.305	.340	.645	96	2014
2	vs LHP as RHB		.242	.304	.398	.702	95	2013
4	vs RHP as RHB		.245	.293	.393	.686	94	2015
2	vs LHP as RHB		.239	.315	.413	.728	92	2021
4	vs RHP as RHB		.242	.292	.420	.712	92	2019
4	vs RHP as RHB		.199	.296	.392	.687	92	2020
4	vs RHP as RHB		.232	.293	.354	.647	92	2022
2	vs LHP as RHB		.240	.290	.386	.676	91	2015
4	vs RHP as RHB		.240	.317	.390	.708	90	2023
2	vs LHP as RHB		.243	.312	.402	.714	88	2017
4	vs RHP as RHB		.265	.320	.405	.725	88	2010
1	vs LHP as LHB		.202	.258	.366	.625	87	2014
4	vs RHP as RHB		.249	.295	.383	.678	87	2016
2	vs LHP as RHB		.233	.294	.379	.673	86	2016
4	vs RHP as RHB		.237	.307	.403	.709	86	2017
4	vs RHP as RHB		.229	.293	.385	.678	85	2018
4	vs RHP as RHB		.239	.298	.369	.667	82	2011
4	vs RHP as RHB		.235	.291	.368	.658	82	2012
4	vs RHP as RHB		.229	.280	.337	.617	72	2013
1	vs LHP as LHB		.171	.296	.293	.589	68	2020
1	vs LHP as LHB		.197	.291	.307	.598	60	2021
1	vs LHP as LHB		.204	.296	.264	.560	57	2019