Reds Trade And Free Agent Rumours 2023-24 Offseason

[757690]

The Reds have signed catcher PJ Higgins to a minor league deal.

Higgins, 30, played in 74 games with the Cubs in 2022 and spent last year in Triple-A, where he hit .306.

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[BCubb2003]

Do we know if anyone in the front office still has that book that the Reds put together for Ohtani in the first place? How hard could it be to update it? How much could Cincinnati have changed?

[marcshoe]

Do we know if anyone in the front office still has that book that the Reds put together for Ohtani in the first place? How hard could it be to update it? How much could Cincinnati have changed?

Kroger sushi has become trendy.

[757690]

So, none?

I'm uninterested in playing for just "meaningful baseball," especially now that it's relatively easy to do so. The Rays, Guardians, Brewers, and that ilk have largely been failures, if only becausse when they have a real shot at going for it, they choose not to.

They play for second place.

If this is your attitude, then I feel sorry for you. If you can’t enjoy the success the Reds had this past season, or the success that that Rays, Guardians and Brewers have had recently, I find that sincerely sad.

I too wanted the Reds to do more during the season to make the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean that I found this past season uninteresting. I still found last season exciting, thrilling and quite enjoyable.

[Strikes Out Looking]

If this is your attitude, then I feel sorry for you. If you can’t enjoy the success the Reds had this past season, or the success that that Rays, Guardians and Brewers have had recently, I find that sincerely sad.

I too wanted the Reds to do more during the season to make the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean that I found this past season uninteresting. I still found last season exciting, thrilling and quite enjoyable.

I'll give you this, it was way better than 2022! As the Dbacks and Rangers showed, get into the playoffs and anything can happen.

[Bourgeois Zee]

If this is your attitude, then I feel sorry for you. If you can’t enjoy the success the Reds had this past season, or the success that that Rays, Guardians and Brewers have had recently, I find that sincerely sad.

I too wanted the Reds to do more during the season to make the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean that I found this past season uninteresting. I still found last season exciting, thrilling and quite enjoyable.

Playing for second place isn't success. You know that. Since you have no answer for it, you make these types of posts. Which are worthless in the extreme.

You're equating two things that ought not be equated-- enjoyment and competition. While this is typical of you as a poster, it's still a rhetorical sleight of hand that's largely dishonest in its nature.

I enjoyed watching the young guys compete. I enjoyed their success. I despise that the front office-- when gifted with this success-- will choose not to compete for crowns. They'll expect fans to lap that up as "competing". And you absolutely lap that up.

I'm not that easy.

[redsfan9988]

Playing for second place isn't success. You know that. Since you have no answer for it, you make these types of posts. Which are worthless in the extreme.

You're equating two things that ought not be equated-- enjoyment and competition. While this is typical of you as a poster, it's still a rhetorical sleight of hand that's largely dishonest in its nature.

I enjoyed watching the young guys compete. I enjoyed their success. I despise that the front office-- when gifted with this success-- will choose not to compete for crowns. They'll expect fans to lap that up as "competing". And you absolutely lap that up.

I'm not that easy.

Any benefit-of-the-doubt I had for ownership vanished when they waived Wade Miley for no reason. I like Nick Krall. I think the FO is in a better place from a talent acquisition and development standpoint than it’s been in a long time. But if the Reds are literally never going to sign anyone from outside the org to a deal exceeding $60MM, they’re not going to win in the postseason. The Reds could sign Aaron Nola and Eduardo Rodriguez and still have a lower payroll in 2024 than they did in 2023. They’ll sign neither and instead try to sell us on the likes of Lance Lynn and/or Michael Wacha.

And as for the Rangers and D’Backs showing that all you need to do is make the playoffs - I don’t really agree. If anything, the current playoff format shows me that top-heavy teams with expensive FAs (like the Rangers and Phillies) tend to outperform the thrifty, build-a-deep-roster-to-crush-the-regular-season Rays/Brewers-type teams once the season shortens and the bottom of the roster means less.

[757690]

Playing for second place isn't success. You know that. Since you have no answer for it, you make these types of posts. Which are worthless in the extreme.

You're equating two things that ought not be equated-- enjoyment and competition. While this is typical of you as a poster, it's still a rhetorical sleight of hand that's largely dishonest in its nature.

I enjoyed watching the young guys compete. I enjoyed their success. I despise that the front office-- when gifted with this success-- will choose not to compete for crowns. They'll expect fans to lap that up as "competing". And you absolutely lap that up.

I'm not that easy.

It’s not playing for second place. The Rays have won their division twice in the last 4 years and won 96+ games three times in the last 5 years. The Guardians have won their division 4 times in the last 8 years. The Brewers have won their division twice in the last 3 years, 3 times in the last 6 years.

I would be more than happy for that kind of success by the Reds. I feel sorry for you that you consider that a failure.

[REDREAD]

It’s not playing for second place. The Rays have won their division twice in the last 4 years and won 96+ games three times in the last 5 years. The Guardians have won their division 4 times in the last 8 years. The Brewers have won their division twice in the last 3 years, 3 times in the last 6 years.

I would be more than happy for that kind of success by the Reds. I feel sorry for you that you consider that a failure.

But that's his point.
The Reds did not win their division last year.
They failed to make the playoffs. The story is that "the price was too high" to get reinforcements.
But it really doesn't matter what the excuse is. They were in first place at the end of July and did basically nothing (Noll is basically nothing).
Other teams in similar situations found a way to get help.
That's what's frustrating.
People have a legit concern that the same thing will happen this winter.. It really doesn't matter if it's Krall or PhilC to blame.. The Reds got the hard part done. They have the core of young cheap talent. Now , do they have the balls to add talent to legitimately try to make the playoffs and to try to win the division? Probably not, but I hope they do.

If the Reds had won the division last year, I doubt B Zee would have made that post.. But the reality is, the Reds fell a little bit short of making the playoffs in a year where it was very doable, because of their own inaction. So yea, last year was fun compared to losing 100 games, but it's also very concerning how this franchise does not prioritize winning.

[redsfan9988]

Given the collection of cheap, young talent the Reds have currently, the endgame should be to win multiple Championships - not to win four out of eight division titles or whatever. The way you win championships is by supplementing your cheap, young talent with expensive veteran talent via trades and free agency.

The Brewers have made the playoffs a lot. Their response was to give 50 postseason at-bats to Tyrone Taylor, Brian Anderson, and Owen Miller - and then get outbid by a more serious club for their manager’s services. They’re not serious about winning. I’d rather be them than the Pirates - but being the Brewers/Rays/Guardians isn’t my goal.

[757690]

Given the collection of cheap, young talent the Reds have currently, the endgame should be to win multiple Championships - not to win four out of eight division titles or whatever. The way you win championships is by supplementing your cheap, young talent with expensive veteran talent via trades and free agency.

The Brewers have made the playoffs a lot. Their response was to give 50 postseason at-bats to Tyrone Taylor, Brian Anderson, and Owen Miller - and then get outbid by a more serious club for their manager’s services. They’re not serious about winning. I’d rather be them than the Pirates - but being the Brewers/Rays/Guardians isn’t my goal.

How many teams win multiple championships these days? It’s going to be even fewer teams with the expanded playoffs.

I too want the Reds to spend more, to be more aggressive at the trade deadline. But I am not going to call last season a failure, nor what the Rays/Brewers/Guardians have done recently a failure.

If multiple championships is the only way you’ll be happy as a baseball fan, you’re are going to be sad most of the time.

[redsfan9988]

How many teams win multiple championships these days? It’s going to be even fewer teams with the expanded playoffs.

I too want the Reds to spend more, to be more aggressive at the trade deadline. But I am not going to call last season a failure, nor what the Rays/Brewers/Guardians have done recently a failure.

If multiple championships is the only way you’ll be happy as a baseball fan, you’re are going to be sad most of the time.

It’s not the only way I’ll be happy. Not a binary issue. I’ll be happy if the Reds are competitive and make the playoffs. I’ll be happier if the FO makes moves that signify seriousness about actually winning a Championship.

[Bourgeois Zee]

How many teams win multiple championships these days? It’s going to be even fewer teams with the expanded playoffs.

I too want the Reds to spend more, to be more aggressive at the trade deadline. But I am not going to call last season a failure, nor what the Rays/Brewers/Guardians have done recently a failure.

If multiple championships is the only way you’ll be happy as a baseball fan, you’re are going to be sad most of the time.

They should at least try. Choosing not to in the name of some nebulous future might make you happy, but it's not competing for a championship. Wild Cards? Okay, whatever. Pennants? Fine. But those aren't the point, as you well know and choose to ignore in favor of your current narrative.

Somehow, you seem fine with that.

I'm not.

[Falls City Beer]

They should at least try. Choosing not to in the name of some nebulous future might make you happy, but it's not competing for a championship.

Somehow, you seem fine with that.

I'm not.

It's very important to spend just enough not to embarrass the tri-state area without actually spending enough to win. That's the erogenous zone Phil seeks.

[Bourgeois Zee]

It's very important to spend just enough not to embarrass the tri-state area without actually spending enough to win. That's the erogenous zone Phil seeks.

It's the old Branch Rickey school of thought-- finishing in 2nd place perpetually will keep fans interested, and they won't have to pay the players as much.

It's too bad that some of us are fine with that.