Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Eric_Davis · 02-03-2007, 01:13 PM

Per Rotoworld....

Feb. 2 - 8:22 pm et

Mariners designated RHP Yorman Bazardo for assignment.

"Not a good idea. Bazardo has a better arm than half the pitchers on the Mariners' 40-man roster and just managed a 3.64 ERA as a 21-year-old in Double-A (he turned 22 in July). Bill Bavasi obviously didn't anticipate the roster crush when he added both Michael Garciaparra and potential lefty specialist Ryan Rowland-Smith to the 40-man prior to the Rule 5 draft. Both are less valuable properties than Bazardo, as is Sean White, the right-hander Seattle took from the Braves in the Rule 5 draft. We can't imagine Bazardo making it through waivers."

If he's as good as half of the pitchers on the M's roster, he's as good as half of the pitchers on the REDS'.

paintmered · 02-03-2007, 01:57 PM

Time to get Wayne on the phone.

Matt700wlw · 02-03-2007, 02:00 PM

Scoop him up.

Heath · 02-03-2007, 03:14 PM

Yeah, scoop this guy up. Now.

Highlifeman21 · 02-03-2007, 03:34 PM

He won't make it to us on the waiver order.

This kid's career will now be ruined by Tampa Bay. I can't imagine them not picking him up.

jojo · 02-03-2007, 03:40 PM

It's not the world's worst move.... Bazardo is a marginal prospect at best-basically he has flamed out to become a fringe minor leaguer projected for middle relief due to a dramatic loss of velocity (forget about him ever hitting 97 mph again). He could probably be useful sometime this year but we're not talking huge difference maker useful-he's basically struggling to redefine himself. He's nice depth to have in AAA...think of him as a guy for the AAAA shuttle. In this case the guy might be more useful than a few fodder monkeys clogging the Ms 40 man roster. Bottom line though, the Ms have middle relief arms that are ahead of him in the holding tank. But then again.....JJ Putz was fodder on everyone;s depth charts a few years ago too (don't count on Bazardo being that guy though).....

Buffoon is a little strong on this one....Bazardo is the type of minor league arm thats not that hard to come by....

cincinnati chili · 02-03-2007, 03:49 PM

I'm not familiar with the prospect, but buffoon is probably accurate. He may be the worst GM in the majors.

pedro · 02-03-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cincinnati chili

I'm not familiar with the prospect, but buffoon is probably accurate. He may be the worst GM in the majors.

Dayton Moore is certainly giving him a run for his money.

Topcat · 02-03-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro

Dayton Moore is certainly giving him a run for his money.

But but................. but isn't Dayton from the all prestigious Braves pedigree

Falls City Beer · 02-03-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro

Dayton Moore is certainly giving him a run for his money.

Wow. You preach patience with Wayne, who's had 12 months, but slam Moore who's been on the job, what, 6 months? He's obviously made one horrendous pickup, but he's certainly been no worse than Wayne K or Bavasi.

pedro · 02-03-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

Wow. You preach patience with Wayne, who's had 12 months, but slam Moore who's been on the job, what, 6 months? He's obviously made one horrendous pickup, but he's certainly been no worse than Wayne K or Bavasi.

It doesn't matter how long you are on the job when you give Gil Meche a $55 million dollar contract. If Krivsky had done that any patience I have left would have evaporated.

Giving Gil Meche that contract is quite a bit more debilitating than anything Krivsky has done.

I'm not sure KC giving John Bale a 2 year 4 Million contract was a good idea either, unless he really got his act together in Japan.

Newman4 · 02-04-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Topcat

But but................. but isn't Dayton from the all prestigious Braves pedigree

So was Rob Bell.

Johnny Footstool · 02-04-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro

It doesn't matter how long you are on the job when you give Gil Meche a $55 million dollar contract. If Krivsky had done that any patience I have left would have evaporated.

Giving Gil Meche that contract is quite a bit more debilitating than anything Krivsky has done.

I'm not sure KC giving John Bale a 2 year 4 Million contract was a good idea either, unless he really got his act together in Japan.

Some of us think the Kearns/Lopez deal was Krivsky's version of Gil Meche.

pedro · 02-04-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool

Some of us think the Kearns/Lopez deal was Krivsky's version of Gil Meche.

And I'd say you're wrong. Despite your feelings about the return on the trade, or the the supposed value of Kearns & Lopez, the Reds can still acquire players without the payroll drag created by a player who makes 11 million dollars a year and who will pitch as poorly as Eric Milton. The Royals OTOH, are going to be giving roughly 15-20% of their payroll over the next 5 years to a player who simply isn't going to be able to contribute. That is way more damaging IMO.

paulrichjr · 02-04-2007, 04:34 PM

I just wonder if ownership told him to make a big signing and that is why the Meche contract was done. Honestly no GM in his right mind would make that deal unless it was to "make a statement".

02-03-2007, 01:13 PM	#1
Eric_Davis Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, Or Posts: 5,041	Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move Per Rotoworld.... Feb. 2 - 8:22 pm et Mariners designated RHP Yorman Bazardo for assignment. "Not a good idea. Bazardo has a better arm than half the pitchers on the Mariners' 40-man roster and just managed a 3.64 ERA as a 21-year-old in Double-A (he turned 22 in July). Bill Bavasi obviously didn't anticipate the roster crush when he added both Michael Garciaparra and potential lefty specialist Ryan Rowland-Smith to the 40-man prior to the Rule 5 draft. Both are less valuable properties than Bazardo, as is Sean White, the right-hander Seattle took from the Braves in the Rule 5 draft. We can't imagine Bazardo making it through waivers." If he's as good as half of the pitchers on the M's roster, he's as good as half of the pitchers on the REDS'. __________________ Rob Neyer: "Any writer who says he'd be a better manager than the worst manager is either 1) lying (i.e. 'using poetic license') or 2) patently delusional. Which isn't to say managers don't do stupid things that you or I wouldn't."

02-03-2007, 01:57 PM	#2
paintmered SERP Emeritus Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 7,007	Re: Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move Time to get Wayne on the phone. __________________ What if this wasn't a rhetorical question? All models are wrong. Some of them are useful.

02-03-2007, 02:00 PM	#3
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,149	Re: Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move Scoop him up. __________________ An excited shade of Red

02-03-2007, 03:14 PM	#4
Heath This one's for you Edd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Area Posts: 8,471	Re: Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move Yeah, scoop this guy up. Now. __________________ Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

02-03-2007, 03:34 PM	#5
Highlifeman21 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol, just around the corner from ESPN Posts: 8,694	Re: Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move He won't make it to us on the waiver order. This kid's career will now be ruined by Tampa Bay. I can't imagine them not picking him up.

02-03-2007, 03:40 PM	#6
jojo Five Tool Fool Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,695	Re: Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move It's not the world's worst move.... Bazardo is a marginal prospect at best-basically he has flamed out to become a fringe minor leaguer projected for middle relief due to a dramatic loss of velocity (forget about him ever hitting 97 mph again). He could probably be useful sometime this year but we're not talking huge difference maker useful-he's basically struggling to redefine himself. He's nice depth to have in AAA...think of him as a guy for the AAAA shuttle. In this case the guy might be more useful than a few fodder monkeys clogging the Ms 40 man roster. Bottom line though, the Ms have middle relief arms that are ahead of him in the holding tank. But then again.....JJ Putz was fodder on everyone;s depth charts a few years ago too (don't count on Bazardo being that guy though)..... Buffoon is a little strong on this one....Bazardo is the type of minor league arm thats not that hard to come by.... __________________ "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

02-03-2007, 03:49 PM	#7
cincinnati chili post hype sleeper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 10,358	Re: Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move I'm not familiar with the prospect, but buffoon is probably accurate. He may be the worst GM in the majors. __________________ On Dasher On Dancer On Prancer Ondrusek

02-04-2007, 04:34 PM	#15
paulrichjr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Savannah, TN Posts: 2,778	Re: Bill "the Buffoon" Bavasi pulls another bonehead move I just wonder if ownership told him to make a big signing and that is why the Meche contract was done. Honestly no GM in his right mind would make that deal unless it was to "make a statement". __________________ Tim McCarver: Baseball Quotes I remember one time going out to the mound to talk with Bob Gibson. He told me to get back behind the batter, that the only thing I knew about pitching was that it was hard to hit.

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