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dabvu2498
12-24-2013, 10:12 AM
Go Dores
Bama has bigger problems on the horizon than Pettway's return....
Yes this is cryptic. Yes, I am leaving it at that for now.
As the world cheers, and the universe takes note, the AP names the coach of the greatest football program in recorded history, their coach of the year.
The money quote (slightly edited to better illustrate the AP's true intent):
We do not have an award for greatest coach ever. Nor do we have an award for greatest human ever. If we did, Coach Malzahn would win both possibly sharing the latter with the baby Jesus. Possibly. In lieu of this, we simply name Coach Malzahn, the greatest within the narrow purview our limited award allows. Thank you.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10186348/auburn-tigers-gus-malzahn-named-ap-coach-year
dabvu2498
12-24-2013, 11:23 AM
As the world cheers, and the universe takes note, the AP names the coach of the greatest football program in recorded history, their coach of the year.
The money quote (slightly edited to better illustrate the AP's true intent):
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10186348/auburn-tigers-gus-malzahn-named-ap-coach-year
Totally unedited:
"That's why I'm convinced there's a reason they've spent the last two years giving insufficient nods to one of the greatest coaching jobs ever -- that of three-year Vanderbilt head coach James Franklin. Clearly they have decided that "coach of the year" honors do not suffice for Franklin, and I commend them for this. They don't want to slight this unreasonably good coaching job with praise too faint. They must know he's the Coach of the Decade and the Coach of the Young Century, and I commend them for that."
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64654422/
http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/the-best-alabama-fan-photo-of-the-year.php
19braves77
12-30-2013, 11:14 PM
Oregon just increase the compensation package for Texas. That was ugly. Go Hook em them James Franklin, you got to strike while the kettle is hot for you.
dabvu2498
12-31-2013, 02:20 PM
Oregon just increase the compensation package for Texas. That was ugly. Go Hook em them James Franklin, you got to strike while the kettle is hot for you.
A bunch of folks down that way reeeeeeaaaallllly don't want Franklin.
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/140773-Jan-16th-Fisher-Briles-Franklin-or-Strong
cumberlandreds
01-02-2014, 11:01 AM
SEC is 5-1 in the bowl games so far. The dominance continues. The only loss was mainly because of a freakish 99 1/2 yard scoring play.
Sea Ray
01-02-2014, 11:29 AM
SEC is 5-1 in the bowl games so far. The dominance continues. The only loss was mainly because of a freakish 99 1/2 yard scoring play.
Yes, it's more of the same old, same old including the struggles of the Big Ten as is very well told here:
The Big Ten played to a draw in its Jan. 1 bowl games, which is a step up from New Year's Day Massacres past.
Yet there's still ground to gain, and the conference can't rest on Michigan State's impressive 24-20 win against Stanford in the Rose Bowl. After all, that wasn't against a SEC team, a conference that is 5-1 in bowl games with four to play.
The three SEC vs. Big Ten bowl matchups unfolded on soggy fields across Florida — typically-seen as a Big Ten equalizer — and the SEC finished 2-1. Nebraska beat Georgia in the Gator Bowl, but South Carolina beat Wisconsin 34-24 in the Capital One Bowl and LSU knocked off Iowa 21-14 in the Outback Bowl. Not much can be gleaned considering half of these teams were starting backup quarterbacks, and Curt Phillips replaced Joel Stave late for the Badgers.
The rest is the typical mess. Minnesota and Michigan were listless in losses to Syracuse and Kansas State. Factor in the bowl losses by incoming Big Ten schools Rutgers and Maryland, and that bowl record technically drops to 2-6. No matter what Ohio State does against Clemson in the Orange Bowl on Friday, it's still an uphill battle for a conference desperate for respect.
Not that the gore isn't well-documented:
— The Big Ten is 6-15 on or after Jan. 1 the last four seasons, including a 4-9 mark against the SEC.
— The Big Ten finished with a 4-10 record in the Rose Bowl in the BCS era.
— The Big Ten is 5-21 against Top 10 nonconference teams since 2006
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2014-01-01/big-ten-bowl-record-schedule-sec-michigan-state-nebraska-iowa-wisconsin
Congrats to Mich St on their Rose Bowl win but Stanford was like playing another Big Ten team. Speed was not their calling card, neither was innovative play calling. I thought I was watching Bo vs Woody circa 1977.
Stanford ran 53 plays and almost half of them were handoffs to Gaffney. He had one run early for 47 yards but thereafter averaged less than 2 yds a carry. They passed 18 times and aside from 8 QB scrambles, no one else had more than one rushing attempt. It was one boring game to watch. Next year we'll have at least a semblence of a playoff so we'd likely get to see MSU in one more game against an offense like Auburn or FSU. That'd be fun to see
15fan
01-02-2014, 11:55 AM
SEC is 5-1 in the bowl games so far. The dominance continues. The only loss was mainly because of a freakish 99 1/2 yard scoring play.
I'll offer the alternative explanation that as long as Will Muschamp isn't on the opposing sideline, a Marc Richt team is lock to find a way to lose in Jacksonville.
medford
01-02-2014, 12:01 PM
Stanford is the same team that has routinely knocked off Oregon the last few years; few (actually no one) would claim that Oregon resembles anything from the Bo vs Woody days, so please don't be lazy and downgrade a very solid win for Michigan State.
As far as the article, saying Rutgers & Maryland's losses "techincally" count as part of the B10 bowl record is flat out wrong. Neither are currently a member of the B10, so neither game, win or loss techinically counts for anything B10 related, I doubt the B10 is getting a share of the game proceeds to divide amongst everyone. I get that it helps paint the picture of the B10's overall struggles and I don't even mind it being included (actually I think it should be included) but the wording is terrible and lazy.
I saw somewhere that the B10 is 5-3 in their last 8 BCS games, so its not like its all doom & gloom.
RiverRat13
01-02-2014, 12:25 PM
Rutgers and Maryland were not B1G teams in 2013. Counting their losses is just stupid. Neither team may have been bowl eligible had they been in the B1G this year and at the least both teams would have been in lesser bowls.
The three B1G vs. SEC bowl games were all very good games. There was no "dominance". The SEC won two of the three, which it should as it is the better conference. The gap isn't as wide as SEC fans would like to believe, but there is still definitely a gap.
jimbo
01-02-2014, 12:37 PM
What is the obsession SEC fans have with the Big 10? Seriously, they talk more about conference than they do their so-called favorite teams? As an Ohio State fan, the only other Big 10 team I really rooted for was Michigan St. because I really like Dantonio. I watched Nebraska and Wisconsin yesterday, but only because I thought they would be good games and they were.
Is it like this with fans of all SEC teams, or is it just a Redszone thing?
Sea Ray
01-02-2014, 12:58 PM
Stanford is the same team that has routinely knocked off Oregon the last few years; few (actually no one) would claim that Oregon resembles anything from the Bo vs Woody days, so please don't be lazy and downgrade a very solid win for Michigan State.
As far as the article, saying Rutgers & Maryland's losses "techincally" count as part of the B10 bowl record is flat out wrong. Neither are currently a member of the B10, so neither game, win or loss techinically counts for anything B10 related, I doubt the B10 is getting a share of the game proceeds to divide amongst everyone. I get that it helps paint the picture of the B10's overall struggles and I don't even mind it being included (actually I think it should be included) but the wording is terrible and lazy.
I saw somewhere that the B10 is 5-3 in their last 8 BCS games, so its not like its all doom & gloom.
It was a very big win for MSU. Second B10 win in the Rose in over a decade.Yes, I watched the Stanford win over Oregon and they were the better team that night. There was nothing flukish about it. I do wish I could see MSU play a team like Oregon but that's the system. MSU beat the champion of a very good conference. Hope that means OSU will have some competition in the conference in the coming years cause I sure don't see anyone else on their level
Sea Ray
01-02-2014, 01:01 PM
What is the obsession SEC fans have with the Big 10? Seriously, they talk more about conference than they do their so-called favorite teams? As an Ohio State fan, the only other Big 10 team I really rooted for was Michigan St. because I really like Dantonio. I watched Nebraska and Wisconsin yesterday, but only because I thought they would be good games and they were.
Is it like this with fans of all SEC teams, or is it just a Redszone thing?
It's an SEC thing to a point but I'm not certain if the Sporting News writer of that article has SEC roots
Rutgers and Maryland were not B1G teams in 2013. Counting their losses is just stupid. Neither team may have been bowl eligible had they been in the B1G this year and at the least both teams would have been in lesser bowls.
The three B1G vs. SEC bowl games were all very good games. There was no "dominance". The SEC won two of the three, which it should as it is the better conference. The gap isn't as wide as SEC fans would like to believe, but there is still definitely a gap.
The only thing to be said about Maryland and Rutgers is that the B10 clearly isn't helping its rep as a weak football conference by their addition.
bucksfan2
01-02-2014, 01:11 PM
It was a very big win for MSU. Second B10 win in the Rose in over a decade.Yes, I watched the Stanford win over Oregon and they were the better team that night. There was nothing flukish about it. I do wish I could see MSU play a team like Oregon but that's the system. MSU beat the champion of a very good conference. Hope that means OSU will have some competition in the conference in the coming years cause I sure don't see anyone else on their level
The ironic thing about the Rose Bowl is that in the BCS era OSU has been the predominant B1G team but have played in 1, beating Oregon. Their previous trip was against ASU during the Cooper era.
I don't buy into the touting of Bowl records. It is a nice measuring stick, but for many teams, the game just doesn't mean that much. For instance, a disappointed Alabama team lost to Utah in a BCS bowl. For teams that aren't in the title game, the extra weeks of practice and coaches bonuses are whats most important. I would argue that besides for the BCS title game, the only bowl that has held its mystique is the Rose Bowl.
Sea Ray
01-02-2014, 01:18 PM
The ironic thing about the Rose Bowl is that in the BCS era OSU has been the predominant B1G team but have played in 1, beating Oregon. Their previous trip was against ASU during the Cooper era.
I don't buy into the touting of Bowl records. It is a nice measuring stick, but for many teams, the game just doesn't mean that much. For instance, a disappointed Alabama team lost to Utah in a BCS bowl. For teams that aren't in the title game, the extra weeks of practice and coaches bonuses are whats most important. I would argue that besides for the BCS title game, the only bowl that has held its mystique is the Rose Bowl.
There's a lot of validity to that. In many cases we saw teams playing w/o key players and coaches. In fact I had that post ready if the SEC laid an egg yesterday...;)
What is the obsession SEC fans have with the Big 10? Seriously, they talk more about conference than they do their so-called favorite teams? As an Ohio State fan, the only other Big 10 team I really rooted for was Michigan St. because I really like Dantonio. I watched Nebraska and Wisconsin yesterday, but only because I thought they would be good games and they were.
Is it like this with fans of all SEC teams, or is it just a Redszone thing?
Truthfully, it's in your head.
By my count, the Big Ten is 2-4 in bowl games this season with no chance of not finishing below .500.
The ACC has been less impressive IMHO.
Adding Maryland and Rutgers is just going to dilute the Big Ten even more in the short term.
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I believe in education, which gives me the knowledge to work wisely and trains my mind and my hands to work skillfully.
I believe in honesty and truthfulness, without which I cannot win the respect and confidence of my fellow men.
I believe in a sound mind, in a sound body and a spirit that is not afraid, and in clean sports that develop these qualities.
I believe in obedience to law because it protects the rights of all.
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And because Auburn men and women believe in these things, I believe in Auburn and love it.
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Chip R
01-02-2014, 03:48 PM
The only thing to be said about Maryland and Rutgers is that the B10 clearly isn't helping its rep as a weak football conference by their addition.
Yes but we know they aren't being added to the conference for their football prowess.
Sea Ray
01-02-2014, 04:14 PM
Yes but we know they aren't being added to the conference for their football prowess.
Then that's a difference between the SEC and B10. Missouri and Tex AM were added in part with football in mind
RedFanAlways1966
01-02-2014, 05:29 PM
Then that's a difference between the SEC and B10. Missouri and Tex AM were added in part with football in mind
Pretty obvious football trumps all in the SEC. Probably the reason Alabama (#3) and Auburn (#4) rank in the top-5 college programs for the most NCAA seasons on probation. That is when THEY GET CAUGHT (right, Cam?). As a matter of fact 6 SEC teams rank in the top-20 for total seasons on probation.
BuckeyeRed27
01-02-2014, 05:35 PM
Pretty obvious football trumps all in the SEC. Probably the reason Alabama (#3) and Auburn (#4) rank in the top-5 college programs for the most NCAA seasons on probation. That is when THEY GET CAUGHT (right, Cam?). As a matter of fact 6 SEC teams rank in the top-20 for total seasons on probation.
I see the rest of this conversation going really well.
dabvu2498
01-02-2014, 05:38 PM
Pretty obvious football trumps all in the SEC. Probably the reason Alabama (#3) and Auburn (#4) rank in the top-5 college programs for the most NCAA seasons on probation. That is when THEY GET CAUGHT (right, Cam?). As a matter of fact 6 SEC teams rank in the top-20 for total seasons on probation.
And yet 3 Big 10 teams are in the top 7... So...
Pretty obvious football trumps all in the SEC. Probably the reason Alabama (#3) and Auburn (#4) rank in the top-5 college programs for the most NCAA seasons on probation. That is when THEY GET CAUGHT (right, Cam?). As a matter of fact 6 SEC teams rank in the top-20 for total seasons on probation.
When was the last time Auburn's football program was on probation?
At some point you need to actually discuss facts.
After you answer the question, here's a few to add to you new list of facts:
Ohio State is ranked 5th all time in the number of wins they've had to vacate for rules violations. Auburn has never had a game vacated.
The Big 10 is responsible for 64% of all games that have been vacated.
Oh and here's an interesting one....OSU is currently on probation.
RedFanAlways1966
01-02-2014, 06:00 PM
I see the rest of this conversation going really well.
As they say, "The truth hurts." :lol:
dabvu2498
01-02-2014, 06:03 PM
As they say, "The truth hurts." :lol:
SEC programs on probation for 2013: 2 (SC and Tennessee)
Big 10 programs on probation for 2013: 3 (Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State)
And yet 3 Big 10 teams are in the top 7... So...
And OSU once again proves it's a top twenty program....
BuckeyeRed27
01-02-2014, 06:05 PM
When was the last time Auburn's football program was on probation?
At some point you need to actually discuss facts.
After you answer the question, here's a few to add to you new list of facts:
Ohio State is ranked 5th all time in the number of wins they've had to vacate for rules violations. Auburn has never had a game vacated.
The Big 10 is responsible for 64% of all games that have been vacated.
Oh and here's an interesting one....OSU is currently on probation.
Not to say your point doesn't have merit, but what does those stats look like if you remove the 112 vacated games the NCAA hit Penn St with? That seems like a little different circumstance to your run of the mill "if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'" sanctions.
As they say, "The truth hurts." :lol:
Actually, I'm kinda enjoying watching you smear dog poo on your face while posturing like "that'll teach 'em something".
dabvu2498
01-02-2014, 06:10 PM
Not to say your point doesn't have merit, but what does those stats look like if you remove the 112 vacated games the NCAA hit Penn St with? That seems like a little different circumstance to your run of the mill "if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'" sanctions.
Perhaps not. But it certainly squares with "lack of institutional control" and "football über alles."
Not to say your point doesn't have merit, but what does those stats look like if you remove the 112 vacated games the NCAA hit Penn St with? That seems like a little different circumstance to your run of the mill "if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'" sanctions.
OSU owns almost 10% of "those".
Look, I don't derive any real joy out of bashing OSU. Just hosing off a poo-covered lemming so he doesn't dirty up the place. Otherwise, his antics are good for a laugh.
Perhaps not. But it certainly squares with "lack of institutional control" and "football über alles."
And lets be honest. Nick Saban cut his "compliance" teeth while a head coach in the Big Ten.
wolfboy
01-02-2014, 06:22 PM
What is the obsession SEC fans have with the Big 10? Seriously, they talk more about conference than they do their so-called favorite teams? As an Ohio State fan, the only other Big 10 team I really rooted for was Michigan St. because I really like Dantonio. I watched Nebraska and Wisconsin yesterday, but only because I thought they would be good games and they were.
Is it like this with fans of all SEC teams, or is it just a Redszone thing?
And yet this thread - the SEC thread for those scoring at home - is littered with OSU/B1G fans justifying their team and conference. Do all Ohio State fans have a Napoleonic Complex, or is it just the ones on Redszone?
BuckeyeRed27
01-02-2014, 06:29 PM
OSU owns almost 10% of "those".
Look, I don't derive any real joy out of bashing OSU. Just hosing off a poo-covered lemming so he doesn't dirty up the place. Otherwise, his antics are good for a laugh.
I think holier than thou college football debate is pointless and stupid. Every school from Alabama to Utah St violates NCAA rules one way or another every single season. Some get caught, some don't, but arguing about which school or conference is "cleaner" is ridiculous. The stakes for those violations are obviously higher at an Ohio State or USC or Alabama due to the money and prestige involved, but it happens everywhere which is why the NCAA is going to be fundamentally reformed over the next 10 years because there is no way to police it.
RedFanAlways1966
01-02-2014, 07:58 PM
I think holier than thou college football debate is pointless and stupid. Every school from Alabama to Utah St violates NCAA rules one way or another every single season. Some get caught, some don't, but arguing about which school or conference is "cleaner" is ridiculous. The stakes for those violations are obviously higher at an Ohio State or USC or Alabama due to the money and prestige involved, but it happens everywhere which is why the NCAA is going to be fundamentally reformed over the next 10 years because there is no way to police it.
Very true. And some fans will admit it and some do not. Did you know James Brooks (Auburn) was illiterate after he "finished" college? Brooks was arrested in 1999 for failure to pay child support, owing over $110,000. When asked by the judge how he graduated from Auburn, Brooks said, “I didn’t have to go to class.”
jimbo
01-02-2014, 08:01 PM
And yet this thread - the SEC thread for those scoring at home - is littered with OSU/B1G fans justifying their team and conference. Do all Ohio State fans have a Napoleonic Complex, or is it just the ones on Redszone?
Oh please, I was simply asking a question. Quit being so sensitive.
And if you really want to go that route, lets take a tally of SEC fans "littering" the Big 10 threads with their false superiority complexes.
Really loving how ESPN is playing replays of the final play of this year's iron bowl seemingly every 5 minutes of their Sugarbowl coverage.
Auburn senior football player Ashton Richardson has been named a finalist for the Rhodes Scholarship, marking the fourth straight year an Auburn student-athlete has become a Rhodes finalist.
http://www.wtvm.com/story/19955042/auburns-ashton-richardson-named-rhodes-scholar-finalist
List of toughest universities to get an "A" grade:
http://yellowhammernews.com/faithandculture/auburn-ranked-among-nations-toughest-colleges-get/
This sugar bowl is going really well so far.
Boston Red
01-02-2014, 10:58 PM
Baylor murdered this Oklahoma team. Bama may want to wake up now.
Baylor murdered this Oklahoma team. Bama may want to wake up now.
I think the Iron Bowl took something from Bama that they can never get back. It'll be a long road to recovery, if ever that is even possible.
But Okie had better worry less about throat slashes and more about keeping their foot on the throttle. I'd like to go to bed happy. Some of my Bama friends think this is the championship game BTW.
Holding Bama to a FG attempt is almost like getting a turnover.
Roy Tucker
01-02-2014, 11:18 PM
Golly.
Boston Red
01-02-2014, 11:20 PM
Not as good as Utah from a few years back, but still fun so far.
My wife is growing concerned. If Bama were to lose tonight and Auburn were to win the national championship on Monday, a zombie apocalypse would be preferable to what will happen thereafter on Sand Mountain.
Boston Red
01-02-2014, 11:28 PM
Shouldn't be an issue.
It just got real serious when I suggested Saban could still bolt for Texas or Cleveland. She's packing an emergency bag now in case we need to evacuate ahead of the implosion.
Glad I don't have to do a shot every time Okie misses a tackle. I'd just have to hold a bottle in each hand.
Yachtzee
01-03-2014, 12:22 AM
I think holier than thou college football debate is pointless and stupid. Every school from Alabama to Utah St violates NCAA rules one way or another every single season. Some get caught, some don't, but arguing about which school or conference is "cleaner" is ridiculous. The stakes for those violations are obviously higher at an Ohio State or USC or Alabama due to the money and prestige involved, but it happens everywhere which is why the NCAA is going to be fundamentally reformed over the next 10 years because there is no way to police it.
I've been reading "The King of Sports" by Gregg Easterbrook and what I find concerning isn't what schools are doing that violate NCAA rules, but rather some of the stuff they do that is perfectly legal. For all the talk about how much money College Football makes, it amazes me that they not only hide behind the tax exempt status of the University while often being organized as separate entities to protect their assets from the University, but even most of the profitable programs receive additional payments from their University's general fund. Apparently there were only six programs which haven't dipped into their University's general fund in recent years. And this is on top of the University often paying for facility upgrades. Not only are they making money hand over fist, but they're raking in all kinds of money from students (and taxpayers if they are public) as well. This is all in the name of keeping up with the Joneses.
Unfortunately, I think the only way reform will happen is if Congress gets involved. Considering the political capital the universities and their football programs have, I don't see it changing anytime soon.
I've been reading "The King of Sports" by Gregg Easterbrook and what I find concerning isn't what schools are doing that violate NCAA rules, but rather some of the stuff they do that is perfectly legal. For all the talk about how much money College Football makes, it amazes me that they not only hide behind the tax exempt status of the University while often being organized as separate entities to protect their assets from the University, but even most of the profitable programs receive additional payments from their University's general fund. Apparently there were only six programs which haven't dipped into their University's general fund in recent years. And this is on top of the University often paying for facility upgrades. Not only are they making money hand over fist, but they're raking in all kinds of money from students (and taxpayers if they are public) as well. This is all in the name of keeping up with the Joneses.
Unfortunately, I think the only way reform will happen is if Congress gets involved. Considering the political capital the universities and their football programs have, I don't see it changing anytime soon.
All you have to do is tie it to a revenue generating source and it's like youre handed a blank check regardless of where the generated revenue will end up.
And that is what happens to teams that are overconfident.
BuckeyeRed27
01-03-2014, 01:29 AM
And that is what happens to teams that are overconfident.
That is what happens when one team isn't as good as the other one.
That is what happens when one team isn't as good as the other one.
Auburn damaged Bama. You were watching a wounded animal. It was kind of sad in a way.
Auburn left them tattered....a great white shark that can't catch a seal....a three-legged cheetah...Napolean with no mojo.
Redsfaithful
01-03-2014, 02:00 AM
Don't think that had anything to do with Auburn. Who did Alabama beat this year? Squeaked out a win vs. 4 loss A&M? A&M barely beat Duke in their bowl game. A 3 loss LSU I guess?
Sometimes things are more clear in hindsight, and it doesn't look like Alabama was all that strong this year.
19braves77
01-03-2014, 02:14 AM
Time to take a time out, find a QB, and make the changes needed on defense up to stopping 2014 offenses. The 1999 offenses are vanishing quickly, even in the NFL. I imagine next year Saban has packages were his DE can cover RBs, his LB can cover WRs, and he never has to leave a Safety on a slot WR again.
Don't think that had anything to do with Auburn. Who did Alabama beat this year? Squeaked out a win vs. 4 loss A&M? A&M barely beat Duke in their bowl game. A 3 loss LSU I guess?
Sometimes things are more clear in hindsight, and it doesn't look like Alabama was all that strong this year.
Alabama was "more talented" than every team they played.
That Auburn loss will be in their heads for a long time. They feel like Al Gore in 2000.
But it's hard to win three in a row. Getting all of the free suits tailored is distracting...all of the free steak dinners tends to make one less hungry and football requires talent AND hunger.. And being around the success starts to make one a little too self confident...maybe just maybe you know more than Smart or Saban...at least their voices aren't quite as loud and you don't really get a consequence for stopping one bench press short of what you could've pressed. Some of the little things suffer. Execution is all about the little things and that's important because it's rare to just out athlete an opponent in the Sugar Bowl.
Auburn is in their heads and now Bama fans need Auburn to lose in order to retreat into the delusion that they have a claim for their 44th national championship. It might be the only thing that prevents a statewide meltdown and descent into madness where violence against trees somehow makes sense. In a way it's unfortunate for eagles that an eagle is one of the proud symbols of Auburn University. Auburn ought to adopt racism and illiteracy as symbols in a grande form of reverse psychology.
Time to take a time out, find a QB, and make the changes needed on defense up to stopping 2014 offenses. The 1999 offenses are vanishing quickly, even in the NFL. I imagine next year Saban has packages were his DE can cover RBs, his LB can cover WRs, and he never has to leave a Safety on a slot WR again.
Maybe he can covert Reuben Foster into a cover guy....
Don't think that had anything to do with Auburn. Who did Alabama beat this year? Squeaked out a win vs. 4 loss A&M? A&M barely beat Duke in their bowl game. A 3 loss LSU I guess?
Sometimes things are more clear in hindsight, and it doesn't look like Alabama was all that strong this year.
They lost on the road on the last play of the game to their hated rival, the SEC champions and #2 team in the country and a few weeks later they played an uninspired game against a team they would likely beat on most days.
Sometimes hindsight clouds one's vision.
Redsfaithful
01-03-2014, 03:49 AM
against a team they would likely beat on most days.
Conjecture is such a weak form of argument.
Alabama's resume is weak this year. I don't really care about "more talented than any team they face" because it's just more conjecture. I guess they had better rated recruiting classes or something? When they start giving out wins based on Rivals rankings I guess I'll care.
19braves77
01-03-2014, 04:11 AM
I think Saban will probably have to reinvent himself. Its not fair to ask your players and coaches to adapt to change and adversity yet you still march to the same drum beat. Paul Bryant at point couldn't beat anybody and had to go chat with Darryl Royal at Texas. What did he bring back with him ? The Wishbone.
It boggles my mind that McCarron doesn't think he needs to throw at the Senior Bowl.
dabvu2498
01-03-2014, 08:24 AM
I have a Bama fan for a neighbor. As I was leaving this morning, I saw another neighbor in his yard, spelling something out in the snow.
"Honk if you sacked AJ McCarron"
RedTeamGo!
01-03-2014, 08:32 AM
http://m.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208/better-without-em-northern-manifesto-southern-secession-chuck-thompson-sec-bcs
"Why the SEC isn't as great in football as you think."
By Chuck Thompson
Sea Ray
01-03-2014, 09:09 AM
Pretty obvious football trumps all in the SEC. Probably the reason Alabama (#3) and Auburn (#4) rank in the top-5 college programs for the most NCAA seasons on probation. That is when THEY GET CAUGHT (right, Cam?). As a matter of fact 6 SEC teams rank in the top-20 for total seasons on probation.
If you aren't cheatin' at least a little, you ain't tryin'...
Sea Ray
01-03-2014, 09:12 AM
Time to take a time out, find a QB, and make the changes needed on defense up to stopping 2014 offenses. The 1999 offenses are vanishing quickly, even in the NFL. I imagine next year Saban has packages were his DE can cover RBs, his LB can cover WRs, and he never has to leave a Safety on a slot WR again.
Those offenses were alive and well in the Rose Bowl. I much more enjoyed last night's game. It was action packed, creative and highly entertaining
Sea Ray
01-03-2014, 09:14 AM
Conjecture is such a weak form of argument.
Alabama's resume is weak this year. I don't really care about "more talented than any team they face" because it's just more conjecture. I guess they had better rated recruiting classes or something? When they start giving out wins based on Rivals rankings I guess I'll care.
I think we need to give a lot of credit to Oklahoma. They came to play and outperformed anything they did in 2014 including their freshman QB. Kudos to them
RedFanAlways1966
01-03-2014, 09:30 AM
I think we need to give a lot of credit to Oklahoma. They came to play and outperformed anything they did in 2014 including their freshman QB. Kudos to them
Yep. I was shocked last night and I guess I have become one of these "Alabama is heads-n-tails better than all teams" types (hard to blame us). After last night's game can we say that Oklahoma is probably better than Auburn? They did not need a fluke last second play (or an OT win if not for fluke last play) to beat Bama. I'd have to give my vote to Oklahoma. But as most know that 1-loss team from the SEC will get that chance to play in the Title Game (based only on what the SEC has done in the past). I'd almost consider putting money on Michigan State against Auburn (neutral field) at this point.
dubc47834
01-03-2014, 10:01 AM
Don't think that had anything to do with Auburn. Who did Alabama beat this year? Squeaked out a win vs. 4 loss A&M? A&M barely beat Duke in their bowl game. A 3 loss LSU I guess?
Sometimes things are more clear in hindsight, and it doesn't look like Alabama was all that strong this year.
You can't say that because Alabama barely beat A&M and A&M barely beat Duke that Bama wasn't that strong....thats weak sauce man! Bama isn't really built to blow teams out and Oklahoma scoring a bunch of points was not a recipe for a Bama win.
http://m.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208/better-without-em-northern-manifesto-southern-secession-chuck-thompson-sec-bcs
"Why the SEC isn't as great in football as you think."
By Chuck Thompson
For God's sake, it's tougher to go undefeated in the Colonial Athletic Association than it is in the SEC.
I thought about debating the author's argument point by point but decided the audience that took the article seriously isn't large enough to justify the number of words a rebuttal might require and really, when discussing bias, theirs would be a stumbling block if it is at all consistent with notions such as this:
As though empirical evidence is akin to fossil records and climate change data, it's as if no one in the evangelical South is capable of copping to the evidence at hand.
*BaseClogger*
01-03-2014, 10:19 AM
When they start giving out wins based on Rivals rankings I guess I'll care.
And when they do Brady Hoke will have camped-out overnight to be first in line!
You can't say that because Alabama barely beat A&M and A&M barely beat Duke that Bama wasn't that strong....thats weak sauce man! Bama isn't really built to blow teams out and Oklahoma scoring a bunch of points was not a recipe for a Bama win.
By the end of the first quarter, I was giddy because it was pretty clear Bama was a little too worried about how this game would erase doubts they were the best and not worried enough about the notion that they still have to work hard to win. The first interception by A.J. was music to my eyes to quote a Bama friend's mixed metaphor. You don't make that throw if you feel like youre playing a true threat. I haven't seen A.J. actually make such a dumb throw really in several seasons. Okie had a great gameplan and they executed. Bama kind of relied on their favorable matchups against Okie but didn't execute. Bama made some effective adjustments on defense at the half but Okie executed better. It was game on but Okie wanted it more. Then Bama got down and Okie could pressure A.J. without selling the house and you could almost hear the 85%ers say "roh, roh". Well actually the 15%ers said "roh, roh". The 85%ers still think Bama was robbed by officials who cheated them of a victory by making up a pass interference call.
Well AJ's words were prophetic. Last night pretty much definitively settles the argument concerning whether Bama is the best in the country this year or not. Personally, I think Saban's head probably exploded after his presser. Okie couldn't tackle my grandmother and Bama still couldn't get it done.
It's not going to shock me if Saban leaves Tuscaloosa in the coming weeks. But ya, his teams are increasingly having trouble with the latest permutations of offense. His linebackers generally are superior athletically and can handle the pressure the spread type offenses present, but you can scheme mismatches, especially if you don't let Saban change personnel. Generally, Bama is built to crush the run and pressure the QB. They're secondary has been attackable this season, and it caught up with them last night as Okie's QB played at a higher level thenmost in the country thought he was capbable.
All in all a glorious day.
Really, the bowl season is finally living up to it's billing as we've been treated to two really fun games in a row between the Rose and Sugar Bowls while generally the bowls on new years day were all competitive until the end.
Alabama's resume is weak this year.
Yet Bama's resume was better than anything the Big Ten could throw out there for it's teams. MSU lost to Notre Dame then beat an OSU team that had an even less impressive resume dating, really, two seasons.
But really, do an in depth study of Bama's schedule over the last 40 years. You'll see that it always seems "miraculously" set up for a Bama run compared to their conference mates.
Few Bama fans would cop to that notion....
Roy Tucker
01-03-2014, 10:35 AM
They lost on the road on the last play of the game to their hated rival, the SEC champions and #2 team in the country and a few weeks later they played an uninspired game against a team they would likely beat on most days.
Sometimes hindsight clouds one's vision.
I think I'll listen to Occam on this one.
I think I'll listen to Occam on this one.
He's been dead for centuries. I'll stick to an idiom often misattributed to Ludwig Mies van der Rohe and derived from the ancient texts of the Bible-the devil is always in the details.
The living God trumps a clean shaven, dead friar and the Auburn creed mentions God.
Redsfaithful
01-03-2014, 10:55 AM
http://m.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208/better-without-em-northern-manifesto-southern-secession-chuck-thompson-sec-bcs
"Why the SEC isn't as great in football as you think."
By Chuck Thompson
This is a good argument.
Yet Bama's resume was better than anything the Big Ten could throw out there for it's teams.
I really don't see how anyone could say they had a better season than Michigan State.
This is a good argument.
I really don't see how anyone could say they had a better season than Michigan State.
Given the results of the bowls, I agree. Personally, I think Bama should now drop out of the top 25.
But concerning arguments for a national championship bid...different story. And the article was a pretty weak argument-somehow the computer and coaches association are all doing ESPN's bidding while people in the south are evangelicals that can't understand how the coaches across all conferences and other experts sprinkled across the country are all taking marching orders from ESPN?
dabvu2498
01-03-2014, 11:15 AM
The ESPN pimps the SEC argument is a little rough, given that the marquee SEC game every Saturday is actually on CBS.
Oh, C. Vann Woodward was also probably the proudest Southerner ever.
bucksfan2
01-03-2014, 11:22 AM
I was thinking about this the other day. Was the old system better? In the current BCS system you get the arbitrarily decided top two teams playing each other. After watching MSU play you can't give me a valid reason other than "its the SEC" that Auburn deserves it over MSU. MSU best win is over OSU who has played about as difficult of a schedule as FSU has. Alabama is great but they laid an egg to a pretty blah Oklahoma team.
With the old system more than 1 (maybe 2) bowl games mattered. In the old system more games mattered. In the old system you could say, maybe someone wasn't as good as we thought. The old system was like the last week in the regular season, teams playing for everything, in the current flawed BCS system, only one game matters.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 11:26 AM
MSU lost to Notre Dame. At home.
Revering4Blue
01-03-2014, 11:30 AM
MSU lost to Notre Dame. At home.
Wrong. The game was in South Bend.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 11:32 AM
Wrong. The game was in South Bend.
Sorry. MSU lost to ND. In South Bend.
Either way is pretty damning for a team hoping to be considered for a national title.
bucksfan2
01-03-2014, 11:44 AM
Sorry. MSU lost to ND. In South Bend.
Either way is pretty damning for a team hoping to be considered for a national title.
Actually MSU lost to both ND and the refs in South Bend.
Chip R
01-03-2014, 11:53 AM
I was thinking about this the other day. Was the old system better? In the current BCS system you get the arbitrarily decided top two teams playing each other. After watching MSU play you can't give me a valid reason other than "its the SEC" that Auburn deserves it over MSU. MSU best win is over OSU who has played about as difficult of a schedule as FSU has. Alabama is great but they laid an egg to a pretty blah Oklahoma team.
With the old system more than 1 (maybe 2) bowl games mattered. In the old system more games mattered. In the old system you could say, maybe someone wasn't as good as we thought. The old system was like the last week in the regular season, teams playing for everything, in the current flawed BCS system, only one game matters.
Well, there were fewer bowl games then. When I was growing up I think I could count the number of bowls on two hands. Now there are 35 counting the BCS Championship game. Any team that's halfway decent can go to a bowl game now. It's really not that much of an accomplishment.
I think, for me, that the pre-determined matchups are a problem. If they didn't make the BCS games you have something like #3 SEC vs. #3 Big 10 and #2 ACC vs. #2 Big 12. Inevitably you get the same teams matching up every few years going to the same bowls. IIRC, this year was the 3rd time in about 10 years LSU and Iowa have faced each other in a bowl game. I know in the old system the Rose had Big 10 champ vs Pac 10 champ and the Cotton, Sugar and Orange all had a conference champ vs. whoever. The lesser bowls could take whoever they wanted. You get different matchups in different bowls.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 11:53 AM
Actually MSU lost to both ND and the refs in South Bend.
This is sort of like claiming Miami actually won that national title in '03.
This is sort of like claiming Miami actually won that national title in '03.
Bama actually won it that year.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 12:08 PM
Bama actually won it that year.
How exactly did they manage to do that? They snuck in and beat both Ohio State and Miami in OT (and I'm talking about the game played in '03 and not the '03 season)?
RedFanAlways1966
01-03-2014, 12:11 PM
This is sort of like claiming Miami actually won that national title in '03.
I can play this game too. :)
Auburn lost to LSU. LSU lost to "mighty teams" with names like Georgia (who of course should have beaten the War Eagle) and Ole Miss. Pretty damning for Auburn to be in the title game with that reasoning. Two way streets are fun!
How exactly did they manage to do that? They snuck in and beat both Ohio State and Miami in OT (and I'm talking about the game played in '03 and not the '03 season)?
Right but a ten win Bama team didn't get a chance to play for the National Championship that year....
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 12:16 PM
I can play this game too. :)
Auburn lost to LSU. LSU lost to "mighty teams" with names like Georgia (who of course should have beaten the War Eagle) and Ole Miss. Pretty damning for Auburn to be in the title game with that reasoning. Two way streets are fun!
Not really. Everyone with a brain knows LSU is a much better team than Notre Dame this year. And Michigan State finally has its second quality win after the Rose Bowl. Unfortuanately for them, Auburn got its two quality wins before the bowl pairings came out, and if they get #3 on Monday there's no question who is more deserving based on the current system (or even the old system...although Auburn wouldn't have played FSU in the old system).
Now, if we had a +1 system in place, Michigan State would be playing the winner of Monday's game. But their redemption just came too late.
bucksfan2
01-03-2014, 12:25 PM
Not really. Everyone with a brain knows LSU is a much better team than Notre Dame this year. And Michigan State finally has its second quality win after the Rose Bowl. Unfortuanately for them, Auburn got its two quality wins before the bowl pairings came out, and if they get #3 on Monday there's no question who is more deserving based on the current system (or even the old system...although Auburn wouldn't have played FSU in the old system).
Now, if we had a +1 system in place, Michigan State would be playing the winner of Monday's game. But their redemption just came too late.
Why is LSU superior? We have arbitrarily decided that if you have a brain you have to think that LSU is superior to ND.
This is a good argument.
I really don't see how anyone could say they had a better season than Michigan State.
Two teams...identical records...One has the 20th toughest Sangarin strength of schedule....the other had the 56th toughest...
You do the math (and I'm sure you'll argue the fix was in and the calculus is flawed) but it's pretty easy to argue that Auburn dserves to play Monday night more than MSU does.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 12:29 PM
Why is LSU superior? We have arbitrarily decided that if you have a brain you have to think that LSU is superior to ND.
128 computer ratings arbitrarily decided that LSU was significantly better.
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
jimbo
01-03-2014, 12:31 PM
128 computer ratings arbitrarily decided that LSU was significantly better.
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
But computers don't have brains?
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 12:32 PM
But computers don't have brains?
You got me there. I suppose a lot of Big Ten fans don't either.
jimbo
01-03-2014, 12:35 PM
128 computer ratings arbitrarily decided that LSU was significantly better.
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
They also had Georgia very significantly better than Nebraska. How did that turn out?
jimbo
01-03-2014, 12:36 PM
You got me there. I suppose a lot of Big Ten fans don't either.
I assumed that's what you were implying anyways.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 12:39 PM
They also had Georgia very significantly better than Nebraska. How did that turn out?
And Baylor significantly higher than UCF. And Notre Dame significantly higher than Pitt. I'd like to find a rating system where the better team won all the games all year. It would be pretty impressive. Impossible, of course, but impressive.
gonelong
01-03-2014, 12:54 PM
Auburn damaged Bama. You were watching a wounded animal. It was kind of sad in a way.
Auburn left them tattered....a great white shark that can't catch a seal....a three-legged cheetah...Napolean with no mojo.
McCarron and company didn't look all that wounded when they celebrated like a pee-wee football team on the long pass that put Bama up 16-14.
I was clearly watching an Oklahoma team that had a better game plan and superior execution. Oklahoma out played and out-coached Bama. Period.
It was a nice win for Stoops, pulling off the Bowl Grand Slam. Pretty cool. It was also a fun game to watch, though I preferred the Rose Bowl, which offered up some defensive fun as well.
GL
They also had Georgia very significantly better than Nebraska. How did that turn out?
They also envisioned a Georgia team with Aaron Murray. Does Nebraska win if Murray is the starter?
McCarron and company didn't look all that wounded when they celebrated like a pee-wee football team on the long pass that put Bama up 16-14.
I was clearly watching an Oklahoma team that had a better game plan and superior execution. Oklahoma out played and out-coached Bama. Period.
It was a nice win for Stoops, pulling off the Bowl Grand Slam. Pretty cool. It was also a fun game to watch, though I preferred the Rose Bowl, which offered up some defensive fun as well.
GL
You didn't see the tears in AJ's eyes?
Redsfaithful
01-03-2014, 01:19 PM
Two teams...identical records...One has the 20th toughest Sangarin strength of schedule....the other had the 56th toughest...
You do the math (and I'm sure you'll argue the fix was in and the calculus is flawed) but it's pretty easy to argue that Auburn dserves to play Monday night more than MSU does.
I compared Michigan State to Alabama.
It's impossible to know if Michigan State or Auburn is better - we will never know.
Someone else is talking about 2 quality wins being a benchmark lol I'm not sure you could have a better example of how arbitrary and meaningless college football's current system is.
I love college football very much, but it's so stupid at the same time.
This would be solved, at least a little bit, if rankings didn't come out until after something like week 4-6. Preseason rankings are horrendously dumb.
You see it in other sports every year - look at the NFL where many experts had the Redskins and Texans as playoff bound in the preseason. But in the NFL things are mostly settled on the field (only possible criticism being the unbalanced schedule) unlike in college football where 99% of discussions have to be theoretical.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 01:29 PM
Someone else is talking about 2 quality wins being a benchmark lol I'm not sure you could have a better example of how arbitrary and meaningless college football's current system is.
I didn't say it was a benchmark. Simply that if you were comparing the two teams at the time when the bowl matchups were being set, Auburn had beaten two high quality teams, and Michigan State had only beaten one. Combine that with the fact that Michigan State's loss was to a team that is pretty clearly inferior to the team that beat Auburn, and I'm not really sure how you could have made a case for MSU at that point.
Again, if there was a +1 system lilke some have previously advocated for where you picked the championship game AFTER bowl season, MSU would look to be in VERY good shape to face the Auburn/FSU winner now.
gonelong
01-03-2014, 01:34 PM
You didn't see the tears in AJ's eyes?
He *sobbed* on the sidelines a while back when Bama *beat* LSU. He must have been near death that day.
GL
I compared Michigan State to Alabama.
It's impossible to know if Michigan State or Auburn is better - we will never know.
Someone else is talking about 2 quality wins being a benchmark lol I'm not sure you could have a better example of how arbitrary and meaningless college football's current system is.
I love college football very much, but it's so stupid at the same time.
This would be solved, at least a little bit, if rankings didn't come out until after something like week 4-6. Preseason rankings are horrendously dumb.
You see it in other sports every year - look at the NFL where many experts had the Redskins and Texans as playoff bound in the preseason. But in the NFL things are mostly settled on the field (only possible criticism being the unbalanced schedule) unlike in college football where 99% of discussions have to be theoretical.
There should be a 16 team playoff.
Revering4Blue
01-03-2014, 01:39 PM
They also envisioned a Georgia team with Aaron Murray. Does Nebraska win if Murray is the starter?
Nebraska was also missing Taylor Martinez.
Oops, doesn't fit the narrative of SEC talking-heads..
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 01:40 PM
If you're a betting man (and I am), something I saw on another board to consider when wagering on the title game: in the first three BCS games, the heavy favorites all lost, and the three losing coaches were all mentioned as possible successors to Mack Brown at Texas.
FSU is a heavy favorite, and Jimbo's name is certainly in the mix at Texas.
Just saying....
dabvu2498
01-03-2014, 01:44 PM
Nebraska was also missing Taylor Martinez.
Oops, doesn't fit the narrative of SEC talking-heads..
Taylor Martinez was hurt in preseason. Murray was hurt in November. Significant difference.
Revering4Blue
01-03-2014, 02:14 PM
Taylor Martinez was hurt in preseason. Murray was hurt in November. Significant difference.
It doesn't change the fact that Martinez wasn't available. I'll argue that Martinez -- who was not only one of the most dynamic offensive players in the conference, but in the Country (when healthy) -- meant more to his team than Murray, which is no easy feat.
Plus, the entire Bo Pellini saga was a distraction, and the Cornhuskers, to their credit, blocked it out and took care of business on the field.
To suggest that Georgia's loss -- and Alabama's, for that matter -- was simply a "fluke" is disingenuous at best.
westofyou
01-03-2014, 02:18 PM
Riddle me this:
Do SEC fans arms hurt from patting themselves on the backs for being fans of the SEC?
dougdirt
01-03-2014, 02:23 PM
Riddle me this:
Do SEC fans arms hurt from patting themselves on the backs for being fans of the SEC?
Lots of shoulder surgeries in SEC country.
dabvu2498
01-03-2014, 02:25 PM
It doesn't change the fact that Martinez wasn't available. I'll argue that Martinez -- who was not only one of the most dynamic offensive players in the conference, but in the Country (when healthy) -- meant more to his team than Murray, which is no easy feat.
Plus, the entire Bo Pellini saga was a distraction, and the Cornhuskers, to their credit, blocked it out and took care of business on the field.
To suggest that Georgia's loss -- and Alabama's, for that matter -- was simply a "fluke" is disingenuous at best.
You're missing the point... It was brought up that UGa had a higher computer rating than Nebraska. UGa achieved almost all of that rating with Murray. Nebraska achieved what they achieved entirely with a backup QB.
No one is arguing Murray would have led UGa to a win. Nebraska clearly outplayed them. But UGa was a significantly different team than the one that was taking the field in early November.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 02:26 PM
I, for one, am a fan of a team in the AAC. Not a whole lot of back-patting for that. Though Big East/AAC teams did manage a 6-3 mark in BCS bowls while my team of choice was a member (no thanks to you, Bearcats!).
jimbo
01-03-2014, 02:32 PM
Riddle me this:
Do SEC fans arms hurt from patting themselves on the backs for being fans of the SEC?
I'm beginning to look at them like the United Nations. They are not separate entities but rather one big team. It's wasn't Alabama losing to Oklahoma last night, it was SEC. The SEC-Florida St. game should be a good one. Maybe every team should wear the same powder blue helmet with a big SEC logo on them. :D
westofyou
01-03-2014, 02:33 PM
Funny thing about College football, the strength of programs regionally grow nationally when they can exploit the local population at peak productivity.
Hence you get the east coast at the turn of the century when it was a young privileged mans game. The Midwest during the 20th century industrial boom, California and the west in post WW2, Texas and Oklahoma during the rise of local energy growth, The SEC during the declining rust belt and rising sun belt population shifts.
Someday it will be the best game in some other place and someone else will be busting buttons off their shirts over their choice of fandom.
Nebraska was also missing Taylor Martinez.
Oops, doesn't fit the narrative of SEC talking-heads..
Murray > Martinez. sorry, but it's true.
BuckeyeRed27
01-03-2014, 02:39 PM
Funny thing about College football, the strength of programs regionally grow nationally when they can exploit the local population at peak productivity.
Hence you get the east coast at the turn of the century when it was a young privileged mans game. The Midwest during the 20th century industrial boom, California and the west in post WW2, Texas and Oklahoma during the rise of local energy growth, The SEC during the declining rust belt and rising sun belt population shifts.
Someday it will be the best game in some other place and someone else will be busting buttons off their shirts over their choice of fandom.
With the growth of fracking in the US I would watch out for the 2032 North Dakota St team. They are going to be terrifying.
Riddle me this:
Do SEC fans arms hurt from patting themselves on the backs for being fans of the SEC?
Riddle me this.
Do non-SEC fans pat themselves on the back for pretending that SEC fans aren't correct when they point to the dominance of their conference over the last decade?
I'm guessing they do because non-SEC fans sure do a lot of hand waving concerning this issue.
You're missing the point... It was brought up that UGa had a higher computer rating than Nebraska. UGa achieved almost all of that rating with Murray. Nebraska achieved what they achieved entirely with a backup QB.
No one is arguing Murray would have led UGa to a win. Nebraska clearly outplayed them. But UGa was a significantly different team than the one that was taking the field in early November.
I'm arguing Georgia would've. Nebraska needed two dropped passes in the last 5 minutes of the game to beat Georgia.
I'm beginning to look at them like the United Nations. They are not separate entities but rather one big team. It's wasn't Alabama losing to Oklahoma last night, it was SEC. The SEC-Florida St. game should be a good one. Maybe every team should wear the same powder blue helmet with a big SEC logo on them. :D
The only people making last night the SEC losing to Okie is OSU fans. I think that's the BIG tell concerning this false bluster and continuation of the "SEC, SEC, SEC" myth.
That Big Ten fan is in an SEC thread today talking about sour arm muscles kind of just proves the concept.
I get it. You need to argue the SEC really isn't the strongest conference and MSU should be considered a legit national championship team in order to prop up OSU. I didn't need Bama to win last night to somehow color Auburn's season. It's an important distinction. In fact, Bama losing last night just makes this season feel like the gift that keeps giving.
I'm sorry that OSU isn't the best team in a pretty weak conference. But that's kind of how things are.
westofyou
01-03-2014, 02:48 PM
Riddle me this.
Do non-SEC fans pat themselves on the back for pretending that SEC fans aren't correct when they point to the dominance of their conference over the last decade?
I'm guessing they do because non-SEC fans sure do a lot of hand waving concerning this issue.
I'm not a big fan of football or college football so I don't really have a dog in this fight.
I'm a 40 year Michigan fan who has lived on the west coast for 30 plus years and had a business in Atlanta and family for 15 years.
I'm making an observation.
BTW ya need a needle and thread your buttons on your shirt just poppped
I'm not a big fan of football or college football so I don't really have a dog in this fight.
I'm a 40 year Michigan fan who has lived on the west coast for 30 plus years and had a business in Atlanta and family for 15 years.
I'm making an observation.
BTW ya need a needle and thread your buttons on your shirt just poppped
So you just feel the need to act pious? You're in an SEC thread suggesting that discussion of SEC football is somehow overblown during a tangent where Big Ten fan is trying to argue the SEC is overrated?
Gotcha ya.
BTW, the team I'm rooting for is playing for the national championship. I kind of think assertions that pride and excitement are inappropriate really says so much more about you than my argument that Auburn played a tougher schedule than MSU did says about me....
bucksfan2
01-03-2014, 02:54 PM
The only people making last night the SEC losing to Okie is OSU fans. I think that's the BIG tell concerning this false bluster and continuation of the "SEC, SEC, SEC" myth.
That Big Ten fan is in an SEC thread today talking about sour arm muscles kind of just proves the concept.
I get it. You need to argue the SEC really isn't the strongest conference and MSU should be considered a legit national championship team in order to prop up OSU. I didn't need Bama to win last night to somehow color Auburn's season. It's an important distinction. In fact, Bama losing last night just makes this season feel like the gift that keeps giving.
How dare B1G conference people realize that MSU looked really impressive in their bowl victory and mighty Alabama looked bad. How dare those B1G people wonder why MSU never got any consideration to play in the title game. How dare those B1G people say, MSU has a damn good football team and maybe the best defense in the country. Stupid B1G people, we forgot that we should bow down to the SEC.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 02:54 PM
With the growth of fracking in the US I would watch out for the 2032 North Dakota St team. They are going to be terrifying.
They're pretty damned good in 2013. K-State can attest.
westofyou
01-03-2014, 02:57 PM
So you just feel the need to act pious? You're in an SEC thread suggesting that discussion of SEC football is somehow overblown during a tangent where Big Ten fan is trying to argue the SEC is overrated?
Gotcha ya.
BTW, the team I'm rooting for is playing for the national championship. I kind of think assertions that pride and excitement are inappropriate really says so much more about you than my argument that Auburn played a tougher schedule than MSU did says about me....
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k4x-_wriSyM/T9TVLUKTftI/AAAAAAAACYI/BMhMR0aqWPU/s1600/user6133_pic34477_1326494238.jpg
Roy Tucker
01-03-2014, 02:58 PM
Not really. Everyone with a brain knows LSU is a much better team than Notre Dame this year. And Michigan State finally has its second quality win after the Rose Bowl. Unfortuanately for them, Auburn got its two quality wins before the bowl pairings came out, and if they get #3 on Monday there's no question who is more deserving based on the current system (or even the old system...although Auburn wouldn't have played FSU in the old system).
Now, if we had a +1 system in place, Michigan State would be playing the winner of Monday's game. But their redemption just came too late.
And Auburn won a game by a very lucky fluke play (Georgia) they had no business winning and a game by a 1 in a 100 shot (Alabama).
This one-up game can be played ad infinitum.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 03:00 PM
And Auburn won a game by a very lucky fluke play (Georgia) they had no business winning and a game by a 1 in a 100 shot (Alabama).
You just described two Auburn wins to me. One over the #1 team in the country.
*BaseClogger*
01-03-2014, 03:19 PM
You just described two Auburn wins to me. One over the #1 team in the country.
Alabama is the #1 team in the country? Gosh, I'm still impressed by that Buckeye victory on the road over #16 Northwestern...
Revering4Blue
01-03-2014, 03:20 PM
You're missing the point... It was brought up that UGa had a higher computer rating than Nebraska. UGa achieved almost all of that rating with Murray. Nebraska achieved what they achieved entirely with a backup QB.
No one is arguing Murray would have led UGa to a win. Nebraska clearly outplayed them. But UGa was a significantly different team than the one that was taking the field in early November.
Point taken.
How dare B1G conference people realize that MSU looked really impressive in their bowl victory and mighty Alabama looked bad. How dare those B1G people wonder why MSU never got any consideration to play in the title game. How dare those B1G people say, MSU has a damn good football team and maybe the best defense in the country. Stupid B1G people, we forgot that we should bow down to the SEC.
You're outrage is misplaced and beating up a strawman is NEVER a sign of strength.
Seriously, you really don't get to make up stuff and mischaracterize while arguing SEC fan is out of touch with reality.
Revering4Blue
01-03-2014, 03:25 PM
I'm arguing Georgia would've. Nebraska needed two dropped passes in the last 5 minutes of the game to beat Georgia.
And Alabama was "disinterested".
Meanwhile, the SEC honk excuse train rolls on.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 03:32 PM
Alabama is the #1 team in the country? Gosh, I'm still impressed by that Buckeye victory on the road over #16 Northwestern...
Yes, that is an excellent analogy. Go with that one.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k4x-_wriSyM/T9TVLUKTftI/AAAAAAAACYI/BMhMR0aqWPU/s1600/user6133_pic34477_1326494238.jpg
Seriously, since you have zero interest in this issue why do you feel the need to come into the thread and act like you have (and make no mistake, it's acting badly even if you perceive you've left yourself room to hide from the reality that your intent was to insult) over your last few posts?
As mentioned earlier, it's shining a light on you more than it is on "SEC fan".
The SEC is stronger conference by objective measures like Sangarin, a composite of human polls and computers, and post season results. It's been this way for several seasons.
Hardly false bluster. That "Big Ten fan" storms an SEC thread to take pot shots at strawman SEC fan after Bama lost a game, kind of illustrates which fan base is a finger pointing pot.
And Alabama was "disinterested".
Meanwhile, the SEC honk excuse train rolls on.
I've already said that Okie played better last night. Are you arguing that Okie's win wasn't an upset and that it would likely happen over and over?
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 03:36 PM
By the way, FSU is likely the best team in America this year, but the ACC is a traveshamockery. It's not all about conference strength.
You just described two Auburn wins to me. One over the #1 team in the country.
Exactly and it assumes that Auburn didn't specifically play for a return on the FG attempt and that Auburn had no chance in overtime. The first assumption is patently disprovable and the second doesn't seem to jive with everything that happened in the game previously.
wolfboy
01-03-2014, 03:39 PM
Can we rename this thread "SEC football trolling thread?" It seems very bait and switchy right now.
Can we rename this thread "SEC football trolling thread?" It seems very bait and switchy right now.
Exactly. It's been several pages of blatant trolling by pot pointers. It's a telling hypocrisy.
Revering4Blue
01-03-2014, 03:57 PM
I've already said that Okie played better last night. Are you arguing that Okie's win wasn't an upset and that it would likely happen over and over?
By your own admission, you and most Auburn fans would rather bleach your eyes out than root for Bama, so the Alabama bit wasn't really directed at you.
I do take issue with Nebraska's "flukey" win, though. The Cornhuskers should be given as much credit as LSU; both pulled out gut-check wins and the fact that Iowa's QB was knocked out of the game --evening things out -- doesn't cheapen LSU's victory at all. It's all a matter of perspective.
RedFanAlways1966
01-03-2014, 04:17 PM
Can we rename this thread "SEC football trolling thread?" It seems very bait and switchy right now.
Perhaps we can have an SEC Forum (like the politics). Then only confirmed SEC zealots (determined of course by that one Auburn fan) can be given access to it.
;)
dabvu2498
01-03-2014, 04:27 PM
Can we rename this thread "SEC football trolling thread?" It seems very bait and switchy right now.
Unfortunately, the conference comparison crapola was started by one of "us." "We" started it. We have to deal with it. Although it probably would've happened organically after last night.
It's all quite silly, really.
In other news, almost time for the Commodore Pep Rally in Birmingham. Nothing says bowl season like downtown Btown in January.
jimbo
01-03-2014, 04:32 PM
Bob Stoops: SEC not overwhelming
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10238272/bob-stoops-oklahoma-sooners-continues-criticism-sec
Roy Tucker
01-03-2014, 04:40 PM
Exactly and it assumes that Auburn didn't specifically play for a return on the FG attempt and that Auburn had no chance in overtime. The first assumption is patently disprovable and the second doesn't seem to jive with everything that happened in the game previously.
Sure, l'll give kudos to Auburn's staff to coach up the missed FG return. But there is also a considerable amount of serendipity that has to occur for a 109 yard return to occur. I watch a lot of football and if I see one FG returned per year, it's a lot. And I would have liked Auburn's chances in OT.
And correct, I cannot disprove the end of the Georgia game, but any football fan worth their salt will admit the luck to skill ratio of that play was incredibly high.
Look, I think the SEC plays great football and has great players and coaches and programs. It's the best conference around today. I just like honest opinions over rhetoric and propaganda.
By your own admission, you and most Auburn fans would rather bleach your eyes out than root for Bama, so the Alabama bit wasn't really directed at you.
I do take issue with Nebraska's "flukey" win, though. The Cornhuskers should be given as much credit as LSU; both pulled out gut-check wins and the fact that Iowa's QB was knocked out of the game --evening things out -- doesn't cheapen LSU's victory at all. It's all a matter of perspective.
I was reacting to the notion that the SEC was overrated because Georgia lost their bowl game. Given the talent Georgia lost to injury, it's a testament that they were even bowl eligible IMHO. Georgia losing Murray is like GB losing Rogers. One can't simply look at the record and act like the details are excuses.
Sure, l'll give kudos to Auburn's staff to coach up the missed FG return. But there is also a considerable amount of serendipity that has to occur for a 109 yard return to occur. I watch a lot of football and if I see one FG returned per year, it's a lot. And I would have liked Auburn's chances in OT.
And correct, I cannot disprove the end of the Georgia game, but any football fan worth their salt will admit the luck to skill ratio of that play was incredibly high.
Look, I think the SEC plays great football and has great players and coaches and programs. It's the best conference around today. I just like honest opinions over rhetoric and propaganda.
I'm pretty honest about the SEC and certainly no more blind about Auburn than OSU fan is about the Buckeyes. Given my interactions with OSU fans concerning Auburn, I'm actually demonstratably less biased about Auburn than they are in their obsession to denigrate the SEC using Auburn as a proxy given they way they play fast and loose with the facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJOnMpkyTKw&sns=em
Roy Tucker
01-03-2014, 05:47 PM
I'm pretty honest about the SEC and certainly no more blind about Auburn than OSU fan is about the Buckeyes. Given my interactions with OSU fans concerning Auburn, I'm actually demonstratably less biased about Auburn than they are in their obsession to denigrate the SEC using Auburn as a proxy given they way they play fast and loose with the facts.
Ok, jojo. But I wasn't talking about Ohio State. Not everything is an attack.
Ok, jojo. But I wasn't talking about Ohio State. Not everything is an attack.
Why then interpret my response as an attack?
Roy Tucker
01-03-2014, 06:13 PM
Why then interpret my response as an attack?
No, you responded like you were being attacked and responded with a bunch of unrelated OSU stuff. I was talking Auburn and the SEC.
No, you responded like you were being attacked and responded with a bunch of unrelated OSU stuff. I was talking Auburn and the SEC.
I responded as an Auburn fan and added context to your comments about Auburn and SEC discussion. You indicated you like honest discussion about Auburn and the SEC. I responded that I do to and find its difficult to have such discussions with OSU fans on Redszone.
Again, not everything is an attack. Were you not wanting people to respond?
VottoFan54
01-03-2014, 07:08 PM
I think Saban will probably have to reinvent himself. Its not fair to ask your players and coaches to adapt to change and adversity yet you still march to the same drum beat. Paul Bryant at point couldn't beat anybody and had to go chat with Darryl Royal at Texas. What did he bring back with him ? The Wishbone.
It boggles my mind that McCarron doesn't think he needs to throw at the Senior Bowl.
Why would Saban have to reinvent himself? Last year and the year before we had one of the top 5 defenses in the country. Our D is built around having stud corners. We didn't have that this year and that was exposed by Oklahoma yesterday.
We only lost to Auburn and Oklahoma. The first loss to Auburn was on our offense and special teams more than our defense. We should have put up more than 28 points on an Auburn D that isn't great. The second loss was to Oklahoma. Our D allowed 31 points if you don't count the TD allowed after AJ's second pick and the TD allowed on Bama's last offensive play. We only allowed 7 points in the second half. Stoops had a better gameplan than Saban, but once we adjusted at halftime our system was able to stop Oklahoma.
If anyone needs to recieve blame for that loss it is Doug Nussmeier. Why did he abandon the running game so early? Why didn't he use more of Henry? Our offense was awful in the second half, and Nuss should recieve blame for that. He wasn't able to adjust to McCarron's struggles and Oklahoma's pass rush.
wolfboy
01-03-2014, 09:05 PM
Perhaps we can have an SEC Forum (like the politics). Then only confirmed SEC zealots (determined of course by that one Auburn fan) can be given access to it.
;)
Now that's pretty funny. If you've seen Roll Tide War Eagle, you know talking SEC football is waaay more spirited and controversial than talking politics.
But seriously though - when I posted in the Ohio State thread about a weak B1G, I was called a troll, etc... When folks do that here and they get called out for trolling, it doesn't seem to apply. Seems like a double standard to me. Another thing I'd point out - I'm not a fan of an SEC team, or some sort of SEC super fan.
Now that's pretty funny. If you've seen Roll Tide War Eagle, you know talking SEC football is waaay more spirited and controversial than talking politics.
But seriously though - when I posted in the Ohio State thread about a weak B1G, I was called a troll, etc... When folks do that here and they get called out for trolling, it doesn't seem to apply. Seems like a double standard to me. Another thing I'd point out - I'm not a fan of an SEC team, or some sort of SEC super fan.
The trolling says volumes about the authors. in assuming the moral authority, they've lost it. Plus, alot of the comments demonstrate just how little some actually know. Others are just clearly lashing out in an embarrassing display. The ignore function really cleans up the thread though.
Roy Tucker
01-03-2014, 09:24 PM
I responded as an Auburn fan and added context to your comments about Auburn and SEC discussion. You indicated you like honest discussion about Auburn and the SEC. I responded that I do to and find its difficult to have such discussions with OSU fans on Redszone.
Again, not everything is an attack. Were you not wanting people to respond?
Ok, we're fine. I'm a reasonable guy and all I ask is for everyone to be likewise.
RedFanAlways1966
01-03-2014, 09:28 PM
But I do not see any real trolling. I actually enjoy reading the comments in both threads. There is one who shows their usual inability to communicate nicely with other humans (and all here are used to it and expect it). Of course the team that causes all of us to be here probably has more Big 10 fans than SEC fans due to geography; therefore, I guess you'd expect some "smack talk" (not so much trolling). And I know the Ohio State thread had complaints about SEC fans trolling. As long as it does not get personal (or any displays of "I am holier than thou") I think it adds some spice to the conversation.
All of us know who the premier conference in BCS football has been for a decade+. To state otherwise is stupid. Although the SEC may not have the champ this year (they still can), top to bottom it is still the best football conference. And when you are good others will try to put you down. Nature of the beast.
Ok, we're fine. I'm a reasonable guy and all I ask is for everyone to be likewise.
If you want to chastise some go after the drop by trolls that are embarrassing your fan base.
Now that's pretty funny. If you've seen Roll Tide War Eagle, you know talking SEC football is waaay more spirited and controversial than talking politics.
But seriously though - when I posted in the Ohio State thread about a weak B1G, I was called a troll, etc... When folks do that here and they get called out for trolling, it doesn't seem to apply. Seems like a double standard to me. Another thing I'd point out - I'm not a fan of an SEC team, or some sort of SEC super fan.
I re-read this whole thread because I thought I must have missed something. I don't see anywhere someone saying the SEC is a weak conference or even that the B1G is just as good. I see a lot of posts bashing the B1G and chest thumping about the SEC bowl record. I see a few posts saying MSU was overlooked in the whole BCS discussion, and I see links to a few articles where the writer (not a poster) is saying that the SEC is overrated this year. Since the predominant position is that the SEC is heads and tails above any other conference in the nation, just saying they are overrated doesn't imply they are weak.
The SEC bowl wins this year have primarily been ranked teams beating unranked or significantly lower ranked teams...so if you really believe in the rankings the the fact that the SEC record is shiny this bowl season doesn't prove a whole lot - they should have a shiny record. Possibly Alabama just laid an egg...it happens. Perhaps they were wounded as jojo speculates. I suppose if Auburn comes out and thrashes FSU then the chest pounding can rightly resume. If FSU handles Auburn as easily as Oklahoma did with Alabama then perhaps the overrated tag is appropriate.
If you want to chastise some go after the drop by trolls that are embarrassing your fan base..
Which posts are trolling in your opinion? I would really like to understand.
To be clear I am not a B1G fan, an OSU fan or a fan of college football in general. I am simply an interested observer.
I re-read this whole thread because I thought I must have missed something. I don't see anywhere someone saying the SEC is a weak conference or even that the B1G is just as good. I see a lot of posts bashing the B1G and chest thumping about the SEC bowl record. I see a few posts saying MSU was overlooked in the whole BCS discussion, and I see links to a few articles where the writer (not a poster) is saying that the SEC is overrated this year. Since the predominant position is that the SEC is heads and tails above any other conference in the nation, just saying they are overrated doesn't imply they are weak.
The SEC bowl wins this year have primarily been ranked teams beating unranked or significantly lower ranked teams...so if you really believe in the rankings the the fact that the SEC record is shiny this bowl season doesn't prove a whole lot - they should have a shiny record. Possibly Alabama just laid an egg...it happens. Perhaps they were wounded as jojo speculates. I suppose if Auburn comes out and thrashes FSU then the chest pounding can rightly resume. If FSU handles Auburn as easily as Oklahoma did with Alabama then perhaps the overrated tag is appropriate.
Auburn is a large underdog. If FSU fails to blow Auburn off of the field, it really says more about the ACC.
wolfboy
01-03-2014, 11:02 PM
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Which posts are trolling in your opinion? I would really like to understand.
To be clear I am not a B1G fan, an OSU fan or a fan of college football in general. I am simply an interested observer.
Nothing to see here folks:
Pretty obvious football trumps all in the SEC. Probably the reason Alabama (#3) and Auburn (#4) rank in the top-5 college programs for the most NCAA seasons on probation. That is when THEY GET CAUGHT (right, Cam?). As a matter of fact 6 SEC teams rank in the top-20 for total seasons on probation.
What is the obsession SEC fans have with the Big 10? Seriously, they talk more about conference than they do their so-called favorite teams? As an Ohio State fan, the only other Big 10 team I really rooted for was Michigan St. because I really like Dantonio. I watched Nebraska and Wisconsin yesterday, but only because I thought they would be good games and they were.
Is it like this with fans of all SEC teams, or is it just a Redszone thing?
http://m.thepostgame.com/commentary/...ompson-sec-bcs
"Why the SEC isn't as great in football as you think."
By Chuck Thompson
Riddle me this:
Do SEC fans arms hurt from patting themselves on the backs for being fans of the SEC?
Lots of shoulder surgeries in SEC country.
Boston Red
01-03-2014, 11:14 PM
Auburn is a large underdog. If FSU fails to blow Auburn off of the field, it really says more about the ACC.
Ha, so if FSU wins a close one, the ACC sucks? That's an interesting take.
My take is that the ACC sucks even if FSU wins 100-0.
Nothing to see here folks:
I agree with your assessment. Other than some tangential argument about who cheats more there isn't anything to see. Curious that you consider a a link to some writer's column as trolling. Apparently only because it contains an opinion that differs from your own.
I agree with your assessment. Other than some tangential argument about who cheats more there isn't anything to see. Curious that you consider a a link to some writer's column as trolling. Apparently only because it contains an opinion that differs from your own.
What is your definition of trolling?
Auburn is a large underdog. If FSU fails to blow Auburn off of the field, it really says more about the ACC.
Yet not nearly as big an underdog as Oklahoma against Alabama.
Yet not nearly as big an underdog as Oklahoma against Alabama.
Bama should drop out of the top 25. Maybe even the top 40.
What is your definition of trolling?
You are the one that used the term 'drop by trolls', so I assumed you felt there had been some trolling going on. I'm going to fire the question back at you.
I don't happen to think posting articles by sports writers that are on topic is trolling. The 'obsession' comment was after an SEC fan brought the B1G into this discussion - not trolling in my opinion - seemed to be a valid response. As an independent party I thought the joke about back patting was rather funny - I can see how someone *might* consider it trolling - but only if you have no sense of humor.
You are the one that used the term 'drop by trolls', so I assumed you felt there had been some trolling going on. I'm going to fire the question back at you.
I don't happen to think posting articles by sports writers that are on topic is trolling. The 'obsession' comment was after an SEC fan brought the B1G into this discussion - not trolling in my opinion - seemed to be a valid response. As an independent party I thought the joke about back patting was rather funny - I can see how someone *might* consider it trolling - but only if you have no sense of humor.
I don't believe for a second that you're impartial.
I don't believe for a second that you're impartial.
You're entitled to believe anything you want, but that doesn't make it true.
wolfboy
01-04-2014, 12:59 AM
I agree with your assessment. Other than some tangential argument about who cheats more there isn't anything to see. Curious that you consider a a link to some writer's column as trolling. Apparently only because it contains an opinion that differs from your own.
Looks like I missed a few trollish posts at the end of the thread. But you were the author so it's not like you need me to keep score.
You're entitled to believe anything you want, but that doesn't make it true.
And you're entitled to say anything you want.
wolfboy
01-04-2014, 01:01 AM
Ha, so if FSU wins a close one, the ACC sucks? That's an interesting take.
My take is that the ACC sucks even if FSU wins 100-0.
Really? :confused:
Looks like I missed a few trollish posts at the end of the thread. But you were the author so it's not like you need me to keep score.
Seriously?
And you're entitled to say anything you want.
And obviously so are you.
wolfboy
01-04-2014, 01:20 AM
Really? :confused:
Yup.
Bama should drop out of the top 25. Maybe even the top 40.
I assume this is tongue-in-cheek. Either that or you are throwing out a big hunk of bait desperately hoping someone comes along and takes a mouthful.
Looks like I missed a few trollish posts at the end of the thread. But you were the author so it's not like you need me to keep score.
Ironic to say the least
Looks like the final tally for the Big 10 is 2-5. The SEC is 6-2 with two left to be played.
I assume this is tongue-in-cheek. Either that or you are throwing out a big hunk of bait desperately hoping someone comes along and takes a mouthful.
Seriously when are you going to actually start talking about something related to SEC football?
If you're so intrigued about metacommentary, start a thread about it. If you're interested in talking about me, start a thread in some PM box.
wolfboy
01-04-2014, 01:56 AM
Ironic to say the least
Sure thing.
Seriously when are you going to actually start talking about something related to SEC football?
If you're so intrigued about metacommentary, start a thread about it. If you're interested in talking about me, start a thread in some PM box.
Sure, I'll stop posting on this thread now unless I'm specifically asked a question. All I ask is for you to keep yourself to the same high standard you expect of others.
wolfboy
01-04-2014, 02:05 AM
Sure, I'll stop posting on this thread now unless I'm specifically asked a question. All I ask is for you to keep yourself to the same high standard you expect of others.
puca, here's a specific question: when is it okay to discuss SEC football?
Sure, I'll stop posting on this thread now unless I'm specifically asked a question. All I ask is for you to keep yourself to the same high standard you expect of others.
I do and it's clear why you dropped by and unfortunately it wasn't to discuss SEC football.
BTW you don't see me junking the OSU thread up after the Orange bowl. "SEC" lost the Sugar bowl and ankles were broken to post in an SEC thread. If you're truly motivated to spread good will, diirect your message towards the ones who really need to hear it.
Unfortunately, the conference comparison crapola was started by one of "us." "We" started it. We have to deal with it. Although it probably would've happened organically after last night.
It's all quite silly, really.
In other news, almost time for the Commodore Pep Rally in Birmingham. Nothing says bowl season like downtown Btown in January.
Now that the "us" who started "it" has moved "it" to the OSU thread, can we get this thread back to talking football? There are still two SEC games left on the bowl schedule.
Does Houston give Vandy a fight? They don't look like a strong rushing team but they gave the better teams on their schedule stout games (close losses to BYU, Louisville UCF and Cincy).
Todd Gack
01-04-2014, 10:13 AM
I'm pretty honest about the SEC and certainly no more blind about Auburn than OSU fan is about the Buckeyes. Given my interactions with OSU fans concerning Auburn, I'm actually demonstratably less biased about Auburn than they are in their obsession to denigrate the SEC using Auburn as a proxy given they way they play fast and loose with the facts.
http://i.imgur.com/ymPIlLt.gif
It's hard for any non-SEC fan to believe you're objective when it comes to Auburn when you have trouble believing Auburn football players have never been paid from an outside source.
dabvu2498
01-04-2014, 10:13 AM
Now that the "us" who started "it" has moved "it" to the OSU thread, can we get this thread back to talking football? There are still two SEC games left on the bowl schedule.
Does Houston give Vandy a fight? They don't look like a strong rushing team but they gave the better teams on their schedule stout games (close losses to BYU, Louisville UCF and Cincy).
It's a balmy 28 here in Birmingham, headed towards 50. We're consoling ourselves by saying it's actually better weather than they had in Jacksonville for the Gator Bowl.
Yes, I'd say Houston has the capability to make it a game. It would seem that their offense can move the ball on anyone. If VU can force a couple turnovers, their specialty the last few games, I'd say VU wins going away.
Vandy will likely struggle offensively, even though Houston's D is clearly its' weaker unit. Hopefully the 15 extra practices will have allowed them to expand the play book for Robinette. And God help us if he gets hurt. VU has their TE listed second on the depth chart at QB for today.
Franklin told the host and the audience at his call in show to ask about his job future in the post game interview. Hopefully this means there's an extension or facilities upgrade announcement forthcoming. I'm just glad I won't have to watch today to hear all the rumor and innuendo and speculation on the broadcast. Although Dave Neal is generally a pro and won't indulge in too much of that.
puca, here's a specific question: when is it okay to discuss SEC football?
Discuss SEC football whenever you like. Though you are apparently you are more interested in asking me questions. If you stop bringing me back into this thread I will stop responding. The only reason this thread caught my eye was the repeated claims of trolling. I read the thread from start to finish expecting to see examples and found very few. And nowhere did I see anyone claiming SEC is not a strong conference or even claiming that another conference was better. It looked to me that it was SEC fans that first began talking about the the other conferences, not the other way around, so the claims of trolling seemed odd at best. I saw far more baiting by SEC fans than trolling by fans of other conferences.
To satisfy the requirement that I discuss SEC football:
The SEC does have a great bowl record this year. They have been favorites in most of the games however so the record should not be that surprising. I hope this is not considered trolling.
I do and it's clear why you dropped by and unfortunately it wasn't to discuss SEC football.
BTW you don't see me junking the OSU thread up after the Orange bowl. "SEC" lost the Sugar bowl and ankles were broken to post in an SEC thread. If you're truly motivated to spread good will, diirect your message towards the ones who really need to hear it.
I haven't read the OSU thread, so I wouldn't know. Obviously you think you have some intimate understanding of me and my motivation. I have to say you are way off base. It's true that I didn't read this thread intending to discuss SEC football...I was bored and had read all of the reds related stuff ad nauseum. This thread was active, so I thought I'd have a go. The claims of trolling peaked my interest. I looked and frankly saw nothing and so I asked.
I'm not an OSU fan. I'm not a B1G fan. I'm not a fan of college football...haven't watched a single minute of college football this season. In fact I'm not a fan of big time college athletics at all. I find the entire system corrupt and tiresome. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that the most celebrated students at these institutions are not even remotely interested in getting an education.
I apologize for posting on your thread, and promise if you stop directly drawing me back in I will stay away.
http://i.imgur.com/ymPIlLt.gif
It's hard for any non-SEC fan to believe you're objective when it comes to Auburn when you have trouble believing Auburn football players have never been paid from an outside source.
First Todd. Shenanigans. I've never argued that Auburn football players have never been paid. This is pretty lazy even if your gif gave you an in to troll multiple fanbases.
Concerning the specific issue of Cam, go back and reread the Cam threads on that topic. No OSU fan can credibly argue that Auburn paid Cam based upon established facts. The NCAA in fact fully investigated Cam's recruitment by Auburn and exonerated the football program using unprecedented language in their final statement. It's a great illustration of biased individuals entrenched in a position that was in congruent with facts and who were unwilling to consider alternative views. And guess what? They were dead wrong based upon a detailed look at phone records, emails, texts and interviews. Many of them went on to be dead wrong about a subsequent investigation in the following year. So really, any non-SEC fan who drops in to an SEC thread to specifically call me biased because I correctly state that there isn't any reason to believe Auburn committed violations in its recruitment of Cam really has a puzzling position in the first place. It's kind of like questioning my objectivity because I argue a recent sighting of bigfoot in Oregonwas really just a bear because DNA analysis of hair collected by the eyewitness indicated DNA from the follicles was 100% homologous to bear DNA. One can suppose bigfoot exists. But not really based upon thorough investigation of that sighting. While someone can cling to supposition derived from their own biases about "everyone does it" (cheats) and yadda, yadda, such supposition in this specific instance of Cam is weak sauce in light of actual facts. My stance on Cam isn't a tell concerning MY objectivity but this issue certainly is tell concerning the objectivity a few others....
I haven't read the OSU thread, so I wouldn't know. Obviously you think you have some intimate understanding of me and my motivation. I have to say you are way off base. It's true that I didn't read this thread intending to discuss SEC football...I was bored and had read all of the reds related stuff ad nauseum. This thread was active, so I thought I'd have a go. The claims of trolling peaked my interest. I looked and frankly saw nothing and so I asked.
I'm not an OSU fan. I'm not a B1G fan. I'm not a fan of college football...haven't watched a single minute of college football this season. In fact I'm not a fan of big time college athletics at all. I find the entire system corrupt and tiresome. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that the most celebrated students at these institutions are not even remotely interested in getting an education.
I apologize for posting on your thread, and promise if you stop directly drawing me back in I will stay away.
I'll put you on ignore so there is zero temptation.
kaldaniels
01-04-2014, 02:50 PM
Harvey Updike
The Bama Teabagger
Bama Mom
That is all.
I'll buy that her being drunk or not wouldn't have mattered...but I'll guarantee that she was drunk.
It's nice that she apologized to Coach Saban though but I think her two crying daughters might need a hug too...
http://www.heavy.com/news/2014/01/crazy-alabama-mom-fan-michelle-pritchett-video/
http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls13/story/_/id/10231905/book-malzahn?src=mobile
Whatever happens against Florida State, when it's over, it will be time to build the next blueprint. He will tweak the system based on the strengths of the players returning and go from there. He still doesn't like to use computers, so instead he'll pull out his notebooks, his manila folders, his highlighters and his multicolored collection of Sharpies, and he'll draw a series of straight lines until they make the most sense.
Great read that captures the essence of Malzahn pretty well. The guy is unassuming and one of the hardest working individuals I've ever seen. Literally, the guy is consumed and never stops. You can set your watch by the guy but it's impossible to keep up with him. He's like a Tsunami and his offenses really feel that way when they execute. And his teams? They will never lose because they weren't prepared or because they didn't leave it on the field. If you beat them it's because you earned it and you'll remember it. As a diehard Auburn fan, not only can I live with that...it's why I love this team.
Every college football fan should get to enjoy a season like Auburn has given their fans this season. Monday night? It's all gravy.
It's a balmy 28 here in Birmingham, headed towards 50. We're consoling ourselves by saying it's actually better weather than they had in Jacksonville for the Gator Bowl.
Yes, I'd say Houston has the capability to make it a game. It would seem that their offense can move the ball on anyone. If VU can force a couple turnovers, their specialty the last few games, I'd say VU wins going away.
Vandy will likely struggle offensively, even though Houston's D is clearly its' weaker unit. Hopefully the 15 extra practices will have allowed them to expand the play book for Robinette. And God help us if he gets hurt. VU has their TE listed second on the depth chart at QB for today.
Franklin told the host and the audience at his call in show to ask about his job future in the post game interview. Hopefully this means there's an extension or facilities upgrade announcement forthcoming. I'm just glad I won't have to watch today to hear all the rumor and innuendo and speculation on the broadcast. Although Dave Neal is generally a pro and won't indulge in too much of that.
Been a booty whoopin' so far.
Haven't heard about an extension.
FWIW, Dawn Davenport is dressed like the game is being played in Alaska.
Roy Tucker
01-04-2014, 04:24 PM
Every college football fan should get to enjoy a season like Auburn has given their fans this season. Monday night? It's all gravy.
Yep, enjoy it when it rolls around. They don't happen all that often. Savor each moment.
That moment in every game he does where one realizes that Andre Ware is the worst announcer in all of sports.
dabvu2498
01-04-2014, 06:56 PM
Vandy's seniors go out winners. 26-25 record as a class. Incredible group of young men. Jordan Matthews is a star. Going to be a couple more of those guys playing on Sundays next year too.
As to James Franklin... I certainly want him to stay. There's more work to be done and I think the young men he's recruited and have put in so much work already, deserve to play for him. But stay, go, whatever, Coach gave us three very fun years and the greatest gift of all: hope.
Sea Ray
01-05-2014, 11:26 AM
Vandy's seniors go out winners. 26-25 record as a class. Incredible group of young men. Jordan Matthews is a star. Going to be a couple more of those guys playing on Sundays next year too.
As to James Franklin... I certainly want him to stay. There's more work to be done and I think the young men he's recruited and have put in so much work already, deserve to play for him. But stay, go, whatever, Coach gave us three very fun years and the greatest gift of all: hope.
Congrats to the Commodores. Crazy game. They gave up over 300 yards total offense in the 3rd qtr after giving up only 22 in the entire first half. Kudos to them for turning it around again in the 4th qtr. I'm happy for the fellows down the road (I-40) but next year we start all over again...:evil:
cumberlandreds
01-06-2014, 12:44 PM
Yep, enjoy it when it rolls around. They don't happen all that often. Savor each moment.
Ain't that the truth. I'm a Kentucky fan and you see what I have. They did have a magical year in 1977. They went 10-1 but were on probation and couldn't go bowling at all. So it really had a missing piece of the puzzle. I have been looking for season like that again ever since. I am highly doubtful I will ever see it.
jimbo
01-06-2014, 01:04 PM
Ain't that the truth. I'm a Kentucky fan and you see what I have. They did have a magical year in 1977. They went 10-1 but were on probation and couldn't go bowling at all. So it really had a missing piece of the puzzle. I have been looking for season like that again ever since. I am highly doubtful I will ever see it.
I think you're closer than you realize. I'm not predicting national championship or anything, but I think Stoops is going to turn the UK program around and that they'll soon be competitive in the SEC.
It's about on!
David vs Goliath. Working class versus NFL bling and flash.
The media and fans overwhelmingly think FSU in a landslide. Coaches on the otherhand think FSU has their hands full.
This season has been the perfect gift to Auburn fans. Tonight is just gravy. Win or lose it will be a joy to watch how Auburn responds to adversity. They've earned this chance though sweat, hard work, and heart. The story is largely written. All that remains is to see if Auburn can take down Goliath in one last BCS clash.
I Love this team. They keep getting up and getting up and getting up and getting up.
WAR EAGLE!!!!!!
Roy Tucker
01-06-2014, 09:40 PM
Best of luck to both teams. I'd call it a toss-up.
Boston Red
01-06-2014, 09:44 PM
3-0 FSU 5 minutes in. Of course.
Boston Red
01-06-2014, 09:54 PM
Damn, should have taken the under. Still early, but it looks like it's heading that direction.
RedTeamGo!
01-06-2014, 10:16 PM
It's about on!
David vs Goliath. Working class versus NFL bling and flash.
The media and fans overwhelmingly think FSU in a landslide. Coaches on the otherhand think FSU has their hands full.
This season has been the perfect gift to Auburn fans. Tonight is just gravy. Win or lose it will be a joy to watch how Auburn responds to adversity. They've earned this chance though sweat, hard work, and heart. The story is largely written. All that remains is to see if Auburn can take down Goliath in one last BCS clash.
I Love this team. They keep getting up and getting up and getting up and getting up.
WAR EAGLE!!!!!!
How in the world is auburn David?
dabvu2498
01-06-2014, 10:20 PM
How in the world is auburn David?
FSU was a 10 point favorite. I'm not exactly sure why. Or that it qualifies as David-Goliath. But...
19braves77
01-06-2014, 10:26 PM
WIDE open. I dunno how Malzahn does it.
That's like a 9th grade HS breakdown on coverage by F$U. Nobody on slot.
dabvu2498
01-06-2014, 10:30 PM
WIDE open. I dunno how Malzahn does it.
That's like a 9th grade HS breakdown on coverage by F$U. Nobody on slot.
You must've missed the Bengals game yesterday. ;)
Roy Tucker
01-06-2014, 10:34 PM
Auburn is out-tempo-ing FSU.
Boston Red
01-06-2014, 10:49 PM
This is abusive.
dabvu2498
01-06-2014, 10:51 PM
Auburn is out-tempo-ing FSU.
They're kicking the crap out of them.
19braves77
01-06-2014, 10:55 PM
How does a Safety not know that you stay on the QB when your side of the field is cleared....
One coach on twitter suggests that you just forgot everything we understand about gap assignment and stand your players up on defense.
Roy Tucker
01-06-2014, 10:58 PM
Interesting listening to the coach talk on the ESPN megacast
19braves77
01-06-2014, 11:01 PM
1:28 left. Shoot, AU could score twice.
I watched a lot of the first half until my cable went flaky. Game is not over, but so far Auburn is the much better team and it's not even close. They have great athletes all over the field and play a very fast game on both sides of the ball. Very impressed regardless how it ends up. I'm ready to believe jojo that Alabama probably just had one of those days in their bowl game loss.
19braves77
01-06-2014, 11:58 PM
So...since being up 21-3, AU has a total of 34 yards on offense
paintmered
01-07-2014, 12:21 AM
We've got a ballgame.
19braves77
01-07-2014, 12:25 AM
I think Gus plan was to get this game into the 4th quarter and playing not to lose might come back to bite him.
Boston Red
01-07-2014, 12:39 AM
Malzahn should be happy: he has the ball with a chance to win the national championship.
Hillsdale87
01-07-2014, 12:39 AM
Wow that guy is fast... Now I'm very excited to see what ridiculous series of events Auburn has planned to win this game.
Roy Tucker
01-07-2014, 12:40 AM
Auburn guy pulled a hammy and opened a lane
Chip R
01-07-2014, 12:49 AM
Auburn guy who just scored spiked the ball but no penalty was called.
paintmered
01-07-2014, 12:53 AM
What a game.
Boston Red
01-07-2014, 01:00 AM
Auburn just scored too quick. A shame for them.
texasdave
01-07-2014, 01:01 AM
Instant classic.
Great capper to an amazing bowl season
Roy Tucker
01-07-2014, 01:08 AM
Man, what a game. I think Auburn sat on their lead a little too much in the 3rd quarter. Let FSU back in the game. Plus the fake punt.
Kudos to Auburn. I thought their last TD was a game winner. great game.
19braves77
01-07-2014, 01:10 AM
Wow.
Oh well Auburn stops the SEC streak.
Awesome game. Awesome season. The better team won tonight. Winston was money when it counted.
Brutus
01-07-2014, 01:22 AM
Great game. I think the better team won. Sayonara to this crappy system.
*BaseClogger*
01-07-2014, 09:25 AM
Wow.
Oh well Auburn stops the SEC streak.
What do you mean? They continued the streak--the SEC has now lost a BCS bowl in four straight seasons! And they're 3-6 in their last nine BCS games! :D
Sea Ray
01-07-2014, 09:57 AM
Auburn guy who just scored spiked the ball but no penalty was called.
Is it illegal to spike the ball after a TD in college football now?
Wow.
Oh well Auburn stops the SEC streak.
It was actually FSU that stopped the "streak". Auburn drove the field and went up with a little over a minute left just like everyone should've expected from watching Auburn.
Winston, the Heisman trophy winner, answered.
But another "streak" ended as the other team from Alabama failed to win it's division, failed to win it's state, failed to win it's conference and failed to win it's bowl. It is riding a crushing two game losing streak into a 9 month layoff while whiffing on or losing alot of commits. OUCH! In the meantime it's now safe to go to a church service or a wake or a funeral and not worry about some random gump rudely and innapropriately yelling "Roooooowwwwwlll tide".
All kidding aside, this is big stuff. Bama has been knocked off of the top of the hill.
The cool thing is, Auburn fans have the better part of a year to revel in an incredibly edifying season and to savor the silence punctuated by what will be another stunning signing day leading up to what looks to be a long run of dominance in the SEC west. Things are sweet in the loveliest village on the plains.
Sand mountain? Well they have a real dimemma. Do they wear their FSU swag that they got for Christmas or do they "bite the bullet" and use it as oil rags and send their kids to school shirtless? Translation- they've forgotten how lucky they were to get to enjoy the run Bama went on and they are in for a rude awakening.
But really, the Tigers did Bama a solid be emasculating the Tide's season for them. It was a quick, clean severing of the id/ego for gumps. Now they can go about the business of living in reality again. Bama didn't have to suffer the embarrassment of getting creamed by FSU. They simply had to take a licking from Okie in a game alot of people will probably forget happened (but Bama fans claim they were cheated out of winning by the refs).
Sea Ray
01-07-2014, 10:06 AM
But another "streak" ended-as the other team from Alabama failed to win it's division, failed to win it's state, failed to win it's conference and failed to win it's bowl. It is riding a crushing two game losing streak into a 9 month layoff while whiffing on or losing alot of commits. OUCH!
According to the recruiting services, Alabama is still #1 as of right now
According to the recruiting services, Alabama is still #1 as of right now
And Tennessee is #6. We know it isn't going to stay that way.
Sea Ray
01-07-2014, 10:09 AM
And Tennessee is #6. We know it isn't going to stay that way.
No, they're still #2 here:
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2014
Reese Dismukes, the starting center for Auburn, announced after the game last night that he is staying for next season and will not enter the draft.
Mason and Robinson will announce their decisions probably within a week. I would guess, they'd both decide to go, especially so for Robinson given how NFL scouts seem to covet him.
No, they're still #2 here:
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2014
Sorry but yes per 247 compositite rankings. They are 6th and falling (a fall that will likely continue as other teams round out their class). And the point was that Bama has seen their class poached and is being out competed for alot of their top targets. They had a nice run but it looks like their BCS recruiting bubble is over as they have a bloody dog fight for the best just within their own state. We're witnessing the pendulum swing as it always does.
Sea Ray
01-07-2014, 10:25 AM
Sorry but yes per 247 compositite rankings. They are 6th and falling (a fall that will likely continue as other teams round out their class). And the point was that Bama has seen their class poached and is being out competed for alot of their top targets. They had a nice run but it looks like their BCS recruiting bubble is over as they have a bloody dog fight for the best just within their own state. We're witnessing the pendulum swing as it always does.
No question, recruiting is a subjective sport. I have no idea what you're referring to with no link but ESPN has UT #3 so everyone seems to be in agreement that reinforcements are coming to the Vols:
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/classrankings/rank?rank=3&class=2014&date=20140104
No question, recruiting is a subjective sport. I have no idea what you're referring to with no link but ESPN has UT #3 so everyone seems to be in agreement that reinforcements are coming to the Vols:
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/classrankings/rank?rank=3&class=2014&date=20140104
If you're serious about college football recruiting, you'll google 247sports.
Sea Ray
01-07-2014, 11:00 AM
If you're serious about college football recruiting, you'll google 247sports.
I'll check into it. Why do you prefer it over other sites?
I'll check into it. Why do you prefer it over other sites?
It's probably one of the most in depth sites making it extremely accessible. Their "experts" work their tails off on the recruiting trail both evaluating but also sniffing out the latest "intel".
Their composite ranking are probably the most meaningful overall ratings.
It's like sabermetrics. If you're interested but not reading fangraphs regularly, you're not really interested as you'll miss alot.
It was actually FSU that stopped the "streak". Auburn drove the field and went up with a little over a minute left just like everyone should've expected from watching Auburn.
Winston, the Heisman trophy winner, answered.
But another "streak" ended as the other team from Alabama failed to win it's division, failed to win it's state, failed to win it's conference and failed to win it's bowl. It is riding a crushing two game losing streak into a 9 month layoff while whiffing on or losing alot of commits. OUCH! In the meantime it's now safe to go to a church service or a wake or a funeral and not worry about some random gump rudely and innapropriately yelling "Roooooowwwwwlll tide".
All kidding aside, this is big stuff. Bama has been knocked off of the top of the hill.
The cool thing is, Auburn fans have the better part of a year to revel in an incredibly edifying season and to savor the silence punctuated by what will be another stunning signing day leading up to what looks to be a long run of dominance in the SEC west. Things are sweet in the loveliest village on the plains.
Sand mountain? Well they have a real dimemma. Do they wear their FSU swag that they got for Christmas or do they "bite the bullet" and use it as oil rags and send their kids to school shirtless? Translation- they've forgotten how lucky they were to get to enjoy the run Bama went on and they are in for a rude awakening.
But really, the Tigers did Bama a solid be emasculating the Tide's season for them. It was a quick, clean severing of the id/ego for gumps. Now they can go about the business of living in reality again. Bama didn't have to suffer the embarrassment of getting creamed by FSU. They simply had to take a licking from Okie in a game alot of people will probably forget happened (but Bama fans claim they were cheated out of winning by the refs).
Now imagine the post if Auburn had actually won... :lol:
Chip R
01-07-2014, 11:41 AM
Is it illegal to spike the ball after a TD in college football now?
Far as I know it's always been a penalty.
Far as I know it's always been a penalty.
The flag had to be forced out of the ref's pocket last night. I thought it was good how they let the teams play for the most part. I don't think anyone cant point to the refs concerning the outcome and that's probably a sign they did a good job.
Sea Ray
01-07-2014, 12:25 PM
Far as I know it's always been a penalty.
It's my understanding that you're allowed to spike the ball after a TD only. It is illegal after an INT or any other play
RedTeamGo!
01-07-2014, 12:25 PM
The flag had to be forced out of the ref's pocket last night. I thought it was good how they let the teams play for the most part. I don't think anyone cant point to the refs concerning the outcome and that's probably a sign they did a good job.
I agree the Refs did a good job last night. I thought the 15 yard penalty on freeman for taunting was a little weak. I understand it was technically a penalty, but with how big the moment and how big the game was I think stuff like that should slide. It seemed like he just kind of gestured at Auburn's bench. Didn't seem any worse than Mason striking the Heisman pose after his late TD. If anything it just fires up the opposition.
RedTeamGo!
01-07-2014, 12:27 PM
It's my understanding that you're allowed to spike the ball after a TD only. It is illegal after an INT or any other play
Spiking after scoring[edit]After scoring a touchdown, players often celebrate by spiking the football, though this action is not legal in NCAA football, as the scoring player is immediately obligated to either leave the ball or return the ball to an official.[1] Spiking the ball remains legal in the NFL, where it is not interpreted as excessive celebration unless the ball is spiked towards another player on the opposing team. The maneuver is attributed to Homer Jones of the New York Giants in 1965
via wikipedia
Next season watch players after they score...they almost always immediately drop the ball or throw it in the direction of the ref. They then usually jump around with their teammates.
I agree the Refs did a good job last night. I thought the 15 yard penalty on freeman for taunting was a little weak. I understand it was technically a penalty, but with how big the moment and how big the game was I think stuff like that should slide. It seemed like he just kind of gestured at Auburn's bench. Didn't seem any worse than Mason striking the Heisman pose after his late TD. If anything it just fires up the opposition.
We don't really know what he was yelling though or exactly what gesture he made. If it was anything close to a throat slash, the refs seem to be very sensitive to that motion. I dunno though.
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2014/fsu-shirt-has-auburn-winning/
Oops!
Greg Robinson is indeed declaring for the draft. Best of luck to him as he takes it to the next level.
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