Cincinnati Bengals - Part Four

[Redsfaithful]

Joe Burrow is tough as hell. Surprised to come here and see he's getting heat. That was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen from a Bengals player.

I don't know why you'd come out of that game worried about much of anything. It's an inconsistent team with a lack of depth, but if they go into the playoffs relatively healthy they could easily advance.

I don't worry about yesterday at all, I just hope the injuries are minor.

3 more wins oughta do it, so long as one of them is against Baltimore. I really want to see Burrow in the playoffs.

[membengal]

I hadn't read the the recent posts - people in here are giving Burrow heat? Seriously? He dislocated his pinky on the 5th play of the game and still threw for 300 yards (which should have been close to 400 if Chase can catch a damn ball).

[RedTeamGo!]

I agree its ridiculous to beat up on Burrow, but its the NFL, this is how NFL fans act lol

[membengal]

andrew russell
@pff_andrewr
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joe burrow vs justin herbert in week 13:

Pff passing grade: Burrow (73.0), herbert (66.0)
clean pocket grade: Burrow (93.0), herbert (77.7)
big time throws: Burrow (4), herbert (1)
drops: Burrow (4), herbert (0)

sure, herbert got the win, but don't be fooled. Burrow was qb1.

with a dislocated pinky on his throwing hand pretty much the entire game

[KoryMac5]

It was really just one poster...not multiple.

Same guy who drops by this thread once a season to sing Herbert and Tua's praises when the Bengals are losing.

[membengal]

Oh. If it is the poster I am thinking of he is on ignore so I would have missed that anyway thankfully.

[bucksfan2]

with a dislocated pinky on his throwing hand pretty much the entire game

FWIW, Burrow needs to play better. The Bengals were pretty inept for most of the 1st half. Burrow threw a great ball to Chase that he bobbled turning a TD into an INT. But he has a fumble early on, then the INT in the endzone late in the game was a bad pass as well. Burrow (and the Bengals for that matter) need to clean up the Turnovers. Its what is killing them as a team, too many turnovers.

Chase is great, but tends to drop the ball from time to time. He had two early drops, one on a first down that would have been a five yard gain and then the aforementioned TD to INT. He must get better.

Mixon can't fumble that ball. He doesn't fumble much, but the Bengals went from being in the catbirds seat to being up against it. IIRC it was a 2nd and short running play and it was a killer.

This team fights and is fun to watch. They are flawed, far from elite, but compete. I think they are a year ahead of expectations, but have areas they must shore up.

[RedTeamGo!]

with a dislocated pinky on his throwing hand pretty much the entire game

I mean, those are definitely some stats

Also:

Herbert: 74.3% comp%, 3 TD/1 INT, 118.4 QBR
Burrow: 60% comp%, 1 TD/2 INT, 70.8 QBR

The one INT was 100% Chase for sure, so really only 1 INT.

Now, I am not saying Herbert is better than Burrow, but saying Burrow was better yesterday is absurd.

[membengal]

take it up with PFF. Herbert threw 3 balls that were literally jump balls that his guys won the jump for. PFF takes that into consideration.

[WVRed]

Joe Burrow is tough as hell. Surprised to come here and see he's getting heat. That was one of the gutsiest things I've ever seen from a Bengals player.

I don't know why you'd come out of that game worried about much of anything. It's an inconsistent team with a lack of depth, but if they go into the playoffs relatively healthy they could easily advance.

I don't worry about yesterday at all, I just hope the injuries are minor.

3 more wins oughta do it, so long as one of them is against Baltimore. I really want to see Burrow in the playoffs.

Part of me thinks they win the division but I kinda want to see the injury report too.

That said I think they are done in the first round. Nothing to do with the “curse”, just that the Bengals have beaten up on a bad AFC North and haven’t done much outside of the division.

One more offseason to add some depth (Sauce Gardner in the first round) and I think this team is AFC Championship material next season.

[bucksfan2]

Part of me thinks they win the division but I kinda want to see the injury report too.

That said I think they are done in the first round. Nothing to do with the “curse”, just that the Bengals have beaten up on a bad AFC North and haven’t done much outside of the division.

One more offseason to add some depth (Sauce Gardner in the first round) and I think this team is AFC Championship material next season.

They have to address this offensive line, they can't punt it again.

[Sea Ray]

They have to address this offensive line, they can't punt it again.

It takes more than that. They addressed it with Billy Price, Ced O and Jake Fisher. Lions thought they addressed their line by drafting Sewell

[Bob Sheed]

Their oline is fine. It has been gelling nicely.

...unless anyone is injured. Then it seems that means an automatic L.

They shouldn't have even needed to pass yesterday. Instead it was:

1st Down - run for 1 yard, they can't run block.
2nd - 4th Down - no time to pass, they can't pass block either.

Mixon hadn't lost a fumble in 4 years. I'm guessing he was trying to do too much because... that version of the Bengals oline can't run or pass block.

[KoryMac5]

They have to address this offensive line, they can't punt it again.

They have limited depth on the line...but most teams do look what happened to KC when their 2 tackles went down last year. Reiff and Hopkins were huge blows yesterday...I would think both will be back Sunday.

Hill looked like the weakest link yesterday...

I wouldn't mind taking a center or guard in the draft...

Plus what does it say about Carmen that he did not see the field...either the back is not 100% or he isn't that good.

[membengal]

The line was doing really well until Reiff and hopkins had to miss this game. Happens.
Middle of the pack when they are healthy and we’re opening huge holes for Mixon.

[Redsfaithful]

FWIW, Burrow needs to play better. The Bengals were pretty inept for most of the 1st half. Burrow threw a great ball to Chase that he bobbled turning a TD into an INT. But he has a fumble early on, then the INT in the endzone late in the game was a bad pass as well. Burrow (and the Bengals for that matter) need to clean up the Turnovers. Its what is killing them as a team, too many turnovers.

So hard to know play to play what's going on and who is at fault, but I'll say that a lot of Burrow's turnovers are on other people. That strip ... maybe it could be argued he should have felt the pressure, but that was such a terrible rep from Jonah Williams.

One thing with Burrow I'm watching for is that I think he goes on tilt when things are going badly. The Bears game felt that way and then that endzone interception had a similar feel.

[RedTeamGo!]

take it up with PFF. Herbert threw 3 balls that were literally jump balls that his guys won the jump for. PFF takes that into consideration.

PFF also says Zach Harrison at OSU is a good defensive end.

I don't know how to take it up with PFF, but I certainly do not buy into the narrative by many they are always a legitimate appeal to authority.

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Lions thought they addressed their line by drafting Sewell

We are already declaring Sewell a bust 10 games into his rookie season?

[RiverRat13]

The depth isn't there yet. You have to be able to survive injuries. The Bengals have been healthy and then look lost as soon as they aren't.

[KoryMac5]

PFF grades


1️⃣ Germaine Pratt, LB- 90.6
2️⃣ Tee Higgins, WR- 82.5
3️⃣ Eli Apple, CB- 79.6
4️⃣ Joe Burrow, QB- 76.7
5️⃣ Joe Bachie, LB- 75.9

[WVRed]

They have to address this offensive line, they can't punt it again.

Honestly I think the line is fine enough not to use a day 1 pick on. Now if Tyler Linderbaum falls then by all means…

The biggest addition was bringing Pollack back. Reiff and Carman as well but if they do draft it will be to replace Reiff.

Looking way ahead to the draft the priority needs to be CB, Edge, OL.

[bucksfan2]

Honestly I think the line is fine enough not to use a day 1 pick on. Now if Tyler Linderbaum falls then by all means…

The biggest addition was bringing Pollack back. Reiff and Carman as well but if they do draft it will be to replace Reiff.

Looking way ahead to the draft the priority needs to be CB, Edge, OL.

I will bang this drum again, they need a stud OLineman. Reiff may well be back, but they need to address OLine long term. I have written Carmen off, anything he brings to the club will be a bonus at this point.

The thing with Burrow is he tends to hold the ball in the pocket. He will take more sacks because of this. Its not a bad thing because it can lead to big plays, but I don't think he can be successful behind a patchwork OLine.

You can always use another EDGE, although they do look pretty solid on the Dline right now. Secondary is ok right now, but could be a massive issue if they don't resign Bates.

[WVRed]

I will bang this drum again, they need a stud OLineman. Reiff may well be back, but they need to address OLine long term. I have written Carmen off, anything he brings to the club will be a bonus at this point.

The thing with Burrow is he tends to hold the ball in the pocket. He will take more sacks because of this. Its not a bad thing because it can lead to big plays, but I don't think he can be successful behind a patchwork OLine.

You can always use another EDGE, although they do look pretty solid on the Dline right now. Secondary is ok right now, but could be a massive issue if they don't resign Bates.

There comes a point when we need to move away from the O-line. I’m not saying don’t address it in the first three rounds but if we had taken Penei Sewell people would still be saying we need O-line help (and the next year and the year after that ). The Minnesota Vikings have taken this approach and Kirk Cousins isn’t any better for it.

If Reiff leaves, then replace him or move Carman to RT and draft an IOL.

Edge might not even be an issue if Ossai comes back healthy. Trae Waynes has been a bust.

[RedTeamGo!]

I actually think the answer to OL is through free agency, the bengals just cannot be cheap about it. I think it is actually something the Browns did well, they went out and signed the most expensive FA OL. Baker Mayfield is horrible, so it doesn't matter. But, if Burrow had that OL, look out.

[Sea Ray]

If nothing else, I guess there's a little more appreciation for Trey Hopkins now

[Hillsdale87]

Lions thought they addressed their line by drafting Sewell

Sewell is good. Started slow, but very good since


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[WVRed]

I actually think the answer to OL is through free agency, the bengals just cannot be cheap about it. I think it is actually something the Browns did well, they went out and signed the most expensive FA OL. Baker Mayfield is horrible, so it doesn't matter. But, if Burrow had that OL, look out.

Who did they sign? I remember them drafting Jedrick Wills.

Oh yeah, Jack Conklin.

[KoryMac5]

Sewell is good. Started slow, but very good since


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85.7 since week 6, this draft class is historically awesome, probably the best since Miller, Green, and Julio were picked.

[Kingspoint]

The depth isn't there yet. You have to be able to survive injuries. The Bengals have been healthy and then look lost as soon as they aren't.

Absolutely.

BAL. who always have their next man step up, lost another important piece to season-ending injury, CB Marlon Humphrey.

[RedTeamGo!]

Who did they sign? I remember them drafting Jedrick Wills.

Oh yeah, Jack Conklin.

3 out of their 5 OL. Conklin, Tretter, and Teller

[Kingspoint]

Sewell is good. Started slow, but very good since


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And, nothing can fix Goff.

[Kingspoint]

There comes a point when we need to move away from the O-line. I’m not saying don’t address it in the first three rounds but if we had taken Penei Sewell people would still be saying we need O-line help (and the next year and the year after that ). The Minnesota Vikings have taken this approach and Kirk Cousins isn’t any better for it.

If Reiff leaves, then replace him or move Carman to RT and draft an IOL.

Edge might not even be an issue if Ossai comes back healthy. Trae Waynes has been a bust.

Cousins is having his best year ever because he's finally stopped dinking and dunking (ineffective plays that require too many 3rd-down conversions on a TD drive and can't overcome a sack or holding call). No WR has had more 100-yard games the last two years than Jefferson. Their failed O-Line recreations have not helped Cook or Cousins and it has also cost them Starters from Defense because of too much money spent on the FA O-Linemen, but Cousins is better because Zimmer finally got an O-Coordinator who can stand up to him and force Cousins to take downfield shots. I personally think Zimmer is going insane and will be gone at the end of this year or next. Things should improve for the Vikings after that if they can get a better Head Coach.

[Kingspoint]

Chase had had about 10 drops this season, but so has Higgins. Have to throw it to someone. They both need to focuse a lot better or they'll each go out the way of OBJ and others like him. Nice to see Boyd involved again yesterday. Mixon dropped a pass on his first target, which didn't come until the middle of the 2nd Half. Dropped passes is far too acceptable on this team and that has to be coaching.

[Larkin90]

I mean, those are definitely some stats

Also:

Herbert: 74.3% comp%, 3 TD/1 INT, 118.4 QBR
Burrow: 60% comp%, 1 TD/2 INT, 70.8 QBR

The one INT was 100% Chase for sure, so really only 1 INT.

Now, I am not saying Herbert is better than Burrow, but saying Burrow was better yesterday is absurd.

Herbert is much better than Burrow. It’s not even close really. Herbert was the #1 ranked QB in the NFL going into yesterday. Burrow was 15th. I don’t think yesterday did anything to close that gap. Burrow is looking more and more like a “game manager”. You can win with that, but you should really get a lot more out of a #1OA pick.

[Kingspoint]

So, Keenan Allen was placed on IR today because of a failed COVID test. This means that he had the virus yesterday during the game.

Waiting to see if any Bengals' players got it.

[Kingspoint]

Chargers head coach Brandon Staley said Ekeler is dealing with "bumps and bruises" following Sunday's 41-22 win over the Bengals, but the running back is expected to practice during the upcoming week, Daniel Popper of The Athletic reports.

We will win this Division. We are easily its best team.

[Playadlc]

Herbert is much better than Burrow. It’s not even close really. Herbert was the #1 ranked QB in the NFL going into yesterday. Burrow was 15th. I don’t think yesterday did anything to close that gap. Burrow is looking more and more like a “game manager”. You can win with that, but you should really get a lot more out of a #1OA pick.

How many times are you going to post about this? You bash Burrow every opportunity you get. It’s exhausting.

[Redhook]

And, nothing can fix Goff.

Having recently seen pics of his SI model girlfriend for the first time, I’m not so sure Goff could give a rats a** about football. He’s winning. All day, every day.

[Todd Gack]

Herbert is much better than Burrow. It’s not even close really. Herbert was the #1 ranked QB in the NFL going into yesterday. Burrow was 15th. I don’t think yesterday did anything to close that gap. Burrow is looking more and more like a “game manager”. You can win with that, but you should really get a lot more out of a #1OA pick.

Let's just pretend Herbert is better than Burrow.

Either way, Burrow is better than anything we've had since Boomer.

[Todd Gack]

85.7 since week 6, this draft class is historically awesome, probably the best since Miller, Green, and Julio were picked.

The #1 pick debate still isn't settled.

[Todd Gack]

Hey guysm, can we talk about the missed XP after calling Timeout AFTER scoring a TD? LULZ.

And some people think our coaching staff is good.

[Kingspoint]

Elijah Mitchell was placed in the concussion protocol. Jeff Wilson reinjured his surgically repaired knee. Trey Sermon is on I.R.

Jamychal Hasty is their only healthy RB, who their HC doesn't trust. Their FB isn't given carries. Kittle was even given a carry on Sunday. They are hoping Samuel is available by gametime.

Week 14 looks very promising for the Bengals' Defense.

Emanuel Moseley, their top CB because Jason Verrett is already on IR, will miss several weeks. On IR already are their top OLB (Greenlaw), their top ILB (Warner) and their top DT (Kinlaw). Things look promising for the Bengals' Offense, too.

[KoryMac5]

So, Keenan Allen was placed on IR today because of a failed COVID test. This means that he had the virus yesterday during the game.

Waiting to see if any Bengals' players got it.

Why are they testing after games and not before...doesn't make sense.

[Sea Ray]

Herbert is much better than Burrow. It’s not even close really. Herbert was the #1 ranked QB in the NFL going into yesterday. Burrow was 15th. I don’t think yesterday did anything to close that gap. Burrow is looking more and more like a “game manager”. You can win with that, but you should really get a lot more out of a #1OA pick.

Dalton was a game manager for us. Are you saying Burrow is Dalton?

[Todd Gack]

Dalton was a game manager for us. Are you saying Burrow is Dalton?

I mean, the only argument he has is that Burrow has accounted for 16 of the 19 Bengals turnovers. That's . . . .not good.

[KoryMac5]

I mean, the only argument he has is that Burrow has accounted for 16 of the 19 Bengals turnovers. That's . . . .not good.

agreed, he tries to do a bit too much or hangs on to the ball too long...hopefully that changes with age. Favre was a turnover machine his first few years in the league.

[Sea Ray]

I mean, the only argument he has is that Burrow has accounted for 16 of the 19 Bengals turnovers. That's . . . .not good.

Peyton threw even more in his younger years. It is something Joe will have to work on and I think he will if his O-line gets better

[Ohayou]

Honestly I think the line is fine enough not to use a day 1 pick on. Now if Tyler Linderbaum falls then by all means…

The biggest addition was bringing Pollack back. Reiff and Carman as well but if they do draft it will be to replace Reiff.

Looking way ahead to the draft the priority needs to be CB, Edge, OL.

I believe they will re-sign both Reiff and Spain. If that's the case, then Tyler Linderbaum is the #1 guy on my board. Problem is, he's 100% going in the Top 10-15, and there's no other center I would draft in the 1st or 2nd round. But if Reiff isn't re-signed, I could totally see them not draft a tackle and just slide Carman outside and piss people here off lol.

Larry OG, B.J. Hill, and Josh Tupou are all impending free agents. Depending on who they re-sign, I might put DT>edge. Additions are needed everywhere, though. We need a shutdown corner, another TE potentially, safety/LB/WR depth. Huber might retire. Hell, I wouldn't even mind if they spent one of their two fourths on Matt Araiza out of SDSU, but I'd bet he goes a lot earlier. Two 80+ punts this year, longest being 86 yards. Never seen anything like it before.

[Todd Gack]

Peyton threw even more in his younger years. It is something Joe will have to work on and I think he will if his O-line gets better

I understand. But had we only focused on getting a better OL we wouldn't have to worry about Isaiah Prince starting on the line.

[Todd Gack]

agreed, he tries to do a bit too much or hangs on to the ball too long...hopefully that changes with age. Favre was a turnover machine his first few years in the league.

He has to find that happy medium. I prefer Burrow's style to Andy's. It'll win our more games in the long run but lose a few too. That's the nature of the business.

[RedTeamGo!]

Having recently seen pics of his SI model girlfriend for the first time, I’m not so sure Goff could give a rats a** about football. He’s winning. All day, every day.

Also:


Jared Goff signed a 4 year, $134,000,000 contract with the Los Angeles Rams, including a $25,000,000 signing bonus, $110,042,682 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $33,500,000.

That dude is going to have a fun next 50 years haha

[KoryMac5]

I understand. But had we only focused on getting a better OL we wouldn't have to worry about Isaiah Prince starting on the line.

Injuries forced Prince to start he actually did fairly well 70.5 PFF grade on passing sets...I have not seen the numbers on Hill but I expect them to be bad.

Not many teams have starter quality lineman on the bench...

[Kingspoint]

Why are they testing after games and not before...doesn't make sense.

I think everyone gets tested Monday mornings, though gameday seems like it would make more sense, doesn't it?

[Kingspoint]

That dude is going to have a fun next 50 years haha

But, he'll still have to live with the thought that he totally sucked as an NFL Quarterback. You see Ryan Leaf doing small-time sports talk shows, and it's still embarrassing to look at him.

[Kingspoint]

Peyton threw even more in his younger years. It is something Joe will have to work on and I think he will if his O-line gets better

They drafted a perennial All-Pro LT and a perennial All-Pro C for Peyton immediately. Completely different.

Joe Burrow makes this Offensive Line look much better than it is, though it is much better than it was last season, thank goodness. We have a great O-Line Coach. Makes the difference here just as it did in Indy. Still need a 1st Round Tackle drafted, who can play G his first season and be a fill-in T when needed until moving over full-time.

[Sea Ray]

But, he'll still have to live with the thought that he totally sucked as an NFL Quarterback. You see Ryan Leaf doing small-time sports talk shows, and it's still embarrassing to look at him.

He made it to a Super Bowl

[RedTeamGo!]

But, he'll still have to live with the thought that he totally sucked as an NFL Quarterback. You see Ryan Leaf doing small-time sports talk shows, and it's still embarrassing to look at him.

In what world is Ryan Leaf comparable to Jared Goff?

[KoryMac5]

In what world is Ryan Leaf comparable to Jared Goff?

Agreed Goff on the right team with the right contract would do well I look at Goff as a Dalton type or even a Tannehill...he did go 28 and 7 and 32 and 12 with the Rams just a few years ago. The talent is there.

[WVRed]

They drafted a perennial All-Pro LT and a perennial All-Pro C for Peyton immediately. Completely different.

Joe Burrow makes this Offensive Line look much better than it is, though it is much better than it was last season, thank goodness. We have a great O-Line Coach. Makes the difference here just as it did in Indy. Still need a 1st Round Tackle drafted, who can play G his first season and be a fill-in T when needed until moving over full-time.

They actually did what Cincinnati did the year before they drafted Burrow by getting a LT in place before taking the QB. The Colts hit with Tarik Glenn, it remains to be seen with Jonah Williams.

[KoryMac5]

They actually did what Cincinnati did the year before they drafted Burrow by getting a LT in place before taking the QB. The Colts hit with Tarik Glenn, it remains to be seen with Jonah Williams.

Willaims has been really solid all season...is he at an All Pro level not yet but with another year or 2 of coaching he could get there.

Tied for 5th amongst tackles in sacks allowed with 5 and grades out according to PFF at 75.8 that's pretty good

[RedTeamGo!]

Agreed Goff on the right team with the right contract would do well I look at Goff as a Dalton type or even a Tannehill...he did go 28 and 7 and 32 and 12 with the Rams just a few years ago. The talent is there.

He’s also not a psychotic drug addict like Leaf was

[Kingspoint]

In what world is Ryan Leaf comparable to Jared Goff?

The world of high-drafted Quarterbacks who were/are busts.

[RedTeamGo!]

The world of high-drafted Quarterbacks who were/are busts.

Ryan Leaf busted out almost immediately because he was an insane person with a drug problem. He has a networth of $1000. One thousand dollars. He played in the NFL for 4 seasons, missing basically 2 of those with injuries. He had 11 total touchdowns in those seasons. In 2012 he went to prison.

Jared Goff took a team to the super bowl and had 2 very solid seasons. He has a networth of over $100 million. Jared Goff has played 6 years as a starting QB, and is still starting. He has thrown 120 touchdowns so far.

Saying they are comparable is absolute lunacy.

[oregonred]

Goff is Tannehill or Dalton 2.0

Solid NFL QB game manager but not one that is going to win you games on their own abilities.

[KoryMac5]

Zach Cunningham waived by the Texans...he fell off a cliff this year, but the talent in there. I might take a shot given the Bengals injury situation.

[KoryMac5]

D'ante Smith and Waynes both cleared for practice.

[Larkin90]

Goff is Tannehill or Dalton 2.0

Solid NFL QB game manager but not one that is going to win you games on their own abilities.

So, Goff = Burrow?

[oregonred]

So, Goff = Burrow?

Yes, you are correct. Well, other than the fact that 25+ NFL teams would literally kill to have Joe Burrow and his second year rookie contract while maybe 3 horrendous teams including the Lions would consider Goff and his current contract.

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[Redsfaithful]

D'ante Smith and Waynes both cleared for practice.

Huge right now, very timely.

[Kingspoint]

Ryan Leaf busted out almost immediately because he was an insane person with a drug problem. He has a networth of $1000. One thousand dollars. He played in the NFL for 4 seasons, missing basically 2 of those with injuries. He had 11 total touchdowns in those seasons. In 2012 he went to prison.

Jared Goff took a team to the super bowl and had 2 very solid seasons. He has a networth of over $100 million. Jared Goff has played 6 years as a starting QB, and is still starting. He has thrown 120 touchdowns so far.

Saying they are comparable is absolute lunacy.

One can certainly rank the high-first-round busts, no doubt. But, my only comment was that he, like Ryan Leaf, maybe even moreso since he wasn't using drugs, was that he was a high-first-round draft pick QB. The failure is still the same. Having money or a cute girlfriend doesn't make the feeling any better. Go that route and Ryan could argue that his drugs made him feel better.

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D'ante Smith and Waynes both cleared for practice.

I jumped that gun last time with Waynes. How long did he last? Three plays?

[Kingspoint]

Zach Cunningham waived by the Texans...he fell off a cliff this year, but the talent in there. I might take a shot given the Bengals injury situation.

He was grabbed by the Titans, which means most teams passed.

[Kingspoint]

Ryan Leaf busted out almost immediately because he was an insane person with a drug problem. He has a networth of $1000. One thousand dollars. He played in the NFL for 4 seasons, missing basically 2 of those with injuries. He had 11 total touchdowns in those seasons. In 2012 he went to prison.

Jared Goff took a team to the super bowl and had 2 very solid seasons. He has a networth of over $100 million. Jared Goff has played 6 years as a starting QB, and is still starting. He has thrown 120 touchdowns so far.

Saying they are comparable is absolute lunacy.

Btw, just because some team is stupid enough to chase spent costs (LAR), doesn't mean Goff is any good. He sucked badly his first season (as bad as Josh Allen's first season of starts). He had a small improvement his next season with their stud WR Corps (Goff was 6th best as a WR/TE target), but too many issues were still there. He regressed the second half of his second season as the RAMS relied on the run and TE targets (so he only had to look at half a field, while trying to avoid the Pick-6). He got worse every season after that. Only reason he's still around was because of another poor hiring by the worst franchise in the NFL run by it's worst Owners, the Ford family (though HOU is probably even worse). That hiring was foolish enough to move a franchise QB for this piece of trash because he wanted to double-down on his original poor decision of drafting him for the RAMS.

[RedTeamGo!]

The failure is still the same.

Just not sure what to say.

in 2017 Goff had 28/7 TD/INT ratio. In 2018 he had 32/12 TD/INT ratio. Has he been a disappointment since? Yes. Is he comparable to Ryan Leaf? Absolutely not.

[KoryMac5]

He was grabbed by the Titans, which means most teams passed.

Bengals did a hard pass...he was late to practice and skipped team meetings from what the beat writers said.

[RiverRat13]

https://twitter.com/NFLFootballOps/status/1469389033142841344?t=NoiKUSthRvAPvkCgv9CYrw&s=19

[Kingspoint]

Just not sure what to say.

in 2017 Goff had 28/7 TD/INT ratio. In 2018 he had 32/12 TD/INT ratio. Has he been a disappointment since? Yes. Is he comparable to Ryan Leaf? Absolutely not.

He's not comparable statistically, I agree. Was he a bust? He certainly is. Was Leaf a bust? He certainly is. To nitpick beyond that,...well...that's a different topic.

[Kingspoint]

Bengals did a hard pass...he was late to practice and skipped team meetings from what the beat writers said.

We have a good culture here now. Why mess with that?

The Bengals continue to get dogged by the media and everyone else each time they lose a game. I swear it's because of the past of them being the Bengals, Taylor having never been a HC before, and nobody in any world knowing the name of the Bengals' Defensive Coordinator.

It's ignorance that guides the opinions of the Bengals...complete ignorance of their Defensive Coordinator, ignorance of the difference between this year's O-Line Coach and last year's, ignorance that Mike Brown isn't making all the decisions anymore, and ignorance of the understanding that Zac Taylor and Lou Anarumo were both rookies at their respective positions in this business (interim for a few games doesn't count) who are just establishing experience at what they do. Lou, for example, had no training camp last season, no rookie camp last season, short versions of both this season, and was a late hire his first season. There's a lot to put in from year to year. The first year is adaptation from what everyone was taught before, so it's a blend of the old (mostly the old) with the new (mostly small changes). The 2nd year would havde been the big change, but because of no camp, it never got to happen, and then there were the major injuries to Reader, Waynes, etc., Anyone knows that you can't implement new things during a season,...not fundamental changes. So, this is basically Anarumo's 2nd season. Consistency isn't going to be there, but it's been pretty damn good. The game against the Chargers was the perfect example. They were ferocious Defensively when any other Bengals' team would have given up. The players listen to him and he has their respect. Think of how many Bengals' Coaches never had that in the past. Same goes for the Offense. This is basically Jonah Williams (missed camp his rookie season and most of the entire season and no camp 2nd season) and Burrows and Higgins' Rookie seasons.

The huge jumps this team has taken on both sides of the ball this year is a joy to watch, and I never worry when they have some stretches where they don't play well as I know this team will respond and change. When have I ever been able to feel like that about the Bengals on both sides of the ball? It was 1989.

They are going to win the Division AND they are going to win at least one playoff game.

The Bengals were quick 1-pt favorites against the 49ers this weekend. All the money jumped on the 49ers and the line quickly switched to San Fran minus 1-1/2 knowing full well there's no Mitchell and no Samuel and nobody to run the ball at all for them. Kittle will get his, but Cincinnati is going to score 27+. There isn't 20 points that can be found in this version of the 49ers against this version of the Bengals in Cincinnati. This is a double-digit win for the Bengals.

[Kingspoint]

"It's night and day from three years ago," Taylor said of his defense then and now. "A long ways. Just familiarity with our scheme. I think our coaching staff continued to get better in all phases of our team. I think our players have continued to grow their confidence in the scheme. We've added players."

https://www.bengals.com/news/matchup-of-the-game-bell-reader-lead-bengals-defense-into-full-circle-vs-49ers-r

[KoryMac5]

Bengals need to stop the run…SF has a great scheme and doesn’t try to hide what they do. Trent Williams 98.0 run blocking grade from PFF is unreal.

They have to start winning important games at home.

[Fil3232]

He's not comparable statistically, I agree. Was he a bust? He certainly is. Was Leaf a bust? He certainly is. To nitpick beyond that,...well...that's a different topic.

What’s the bar for bust or not?

Is Matthew Stafford a bust?

[KoryMac5]

Lamar Jackson carted off...

[Hillsdale87]

Chase's drops are becoming a real problem. He wasn't even close on that one. Looked like he was batting it down


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[Hillsdale87]

The Bengals are shooting themselves in the foot for the second straight game


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[The Operator]

Phillips drops a punt and now SF has excellent field position to at least get a field goal.


Fantastic.

[The Operator]

And Stanley Morgan drops the ensuing kickoff after SF goes up 3-0


LOL special teams

[mhs95_06]

And Stanley Morgan drops the ensuing kickoff after SF goes up 3-0


LOL special teams

49ers certainly don't want to put any kick-offs or punts into the end zones today, make Bengals field them!

[The Operator]

Not much going right so far in this one today.

[Playadlc]

This team needs to wake up.

[mhs95_06]

Bengals muffed too many catches early to get the advantage they should have, and now SF has the lead and the ball.

[KoryMac5]

SF has no corners throw the football...

[GAC]

Come on Bengals! That team up north did their part today.

[GAC]

SF has no corners throw the football...

The announcers are saying the same thing right now

[The Operator]

Uzomah is such a beast.

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Chase! There we go!!!

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….if that’s a catch

[The Operator]

No he didn’t catch it. Damn.

[The Operator]

What the heck lol

I’ll take it I guess haha

[Roy Tucker]

Burrow seems intent on throwing interceptions.

[The Operator]

Burrow seems intent on throwing interceptions.

I think he’s got a case of trying to do too much. Forcing the ball into coverages that are way too tight, etc.


Hopefully that’s something he will keep getting better at.

[The Operator]

Jesus Christ.


Darius Phillips again. He better be looking for a new job after this game.

[Kingspoint]

:angry:

[KoryMac5]

Can't give away points...

[Kingspoint]

I think he’s got a case of trying to do too much. Forcing the ball into coverages that are way too tight, etc.


Hopefully that’s something he will keep getting better at.

Higgins has one target. That's on Coaching.

[CTA513]

how much money these guys got on the game?

[UKFlounder]

This half is the definition of Bengals (or another word) football

[The Operator]

Absolutely shooting themselves in the foot.


This team is every bit as capable of a losing streak as they are a winning streak. Aye.

[mhs95_06]

What's that, at least a half dozen muffed catches on punts and passes, plus a taunting penalty. Seems like the Bungals of the past are back!

[Reds Freak]

Silly by Bell, but calls like that and the one against Hilton vs the Jets make the NFL unwatchable.

[The Operator]

LOL

Nearly a fumble on the ensuing kickoff.

[Playadlc]

Bengals just aren’t mature enough to make the playoffs, sadly. Two dropped punts. Taunting penalty on 4th down to lead to a TD. Just not there yet.

[Kingspoint]

We were down 23 at the half last week.

11 ain't nothin'!

Rally 'round the flag, boys!

[Reds Freak]

Bengals just aren’t mature enough to make the playoffs, sadly. Two dropped punts. Taunting penalty on 4th down to lead to a TD. Just not there yet.

I don't know if it's a question of maturity. They're one of the least penalized teams in the league. It's the talent and depth that's an issue. They're a .500 team in a .500 league.

[Kingspoint]

Undoing the losing culture of Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis isn't accomplished overnight.

We have seen so much of it chipped away with a new image being formed, but being formed still it is.

Watch and see the team as we continue to create the new brand of Bengal football.

The change has been so great that it no longer resembles anything of the past and truly is a image that we just don't know what it's going to look like, yet. We aren't going backwards or staying stagnant. We continue to move forward.

[Bob Sheed]

I haven't seen a sloppy poor disciplined Bengals game to this extent since the 90s.

[Playadlc]

I don't know if it's a question of maturity. They're one of the least penalized teams in the league. It's the talent and depth that's an issue. They're a .500 team in a .500 league.

This team lacks focus which to me is a clear sign of immaturity.

Two dropped passes on the 1st drive. Two muffed punts. Just stupid stuff constantly.

[mhs95_06]

SF with a big mistake of kicking it into the EZ to start the 2nd half.

[WVRed]

Three and out.

Way too conservative.

[Playadlc]

What an absolutely pathetic effort.

[WVRed]

Hendrickson out for the rest of the game.

[Reds Freak]

This team lacks focus which to me is a clear sign of immaturity.

Two dropped passes on the 1st drive. Two muffed punts. Just stupid stuff constantly.

Perhaps. I'd call it a lack of talent vs a lack of focus but that's subjective. I don't watch a ton of NFL games but when I do I see stupid stuff across the league. I don't think it's restricted to the Bengals.

[KoryMac5]

I haven't seen a sloppy poor disciplined Bengals game to this extent since the 90s.

Did you not watch the playoff melt down vs Pitts

[The Operator]

This is gonna be another blowout.

Ugly.

[Hillsdale87]

Taylor seems out of his depth right now. This gameplan is terrible. SF has no healthy corners. We can't run. Let it rip


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[The Operator]

Taylor seems out of his depth right now. This gameplan is terrible. SF has no healthy corners. We can't run. Let it rip


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Yep.

Mixon for 1, Mixon for no gain, Mixon for 2 ain’t working so well.

[Playadlc]

Let’s see if we’ll try and pass this drive.

[OldFashionedRed]

This team is doing better than I thought they would. Just not grown up enough to not do stupid things that give away victories.

[Playadlc]

Not going up tempo here is a mistake.

[The Operator]

LOL Mixon’s disappearing act continues.

[Playadlc]

Just stupid play-calling.

[The Operator]

Just stupid play-calling.

They’re literally playing right into SF’s strengths.

Mind boggling.

[Playadlc]

Why is that not taunting?

[OldFashionedRed]

Why is that not taunting?

We got called for taunting because we put a finger in the guy's face, probably said some things, and then strutted our stuff. Simply strutting your stuff isn't taunting, IMO.

[Playadlc]

They’re literally playing right into SF’s strengths.

Mind boggling.

I try to keep an even keel during games, but this one is absolutely infuriating. Just a horrendous game-plan coupled with silly play.

[The Operator]

Jesus.

Awful game by the o line today.

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And a missed field goal.


Awful.

[OldFashionedRed]

Jesus.

Awful game by the o line today.

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And a missed field goal.


Awful.

It's like the O line has chicken pox or something. Burrow is getting nothing down there. Awful.

[KoryMac5]

Not enough time left in this one...disastrous home stand...

[Larkin90]

At least we have Burrow. He’s a real game changer. He’ll put the team on his back and drag them to victory. Probably.

[The Operator]

If this team does make the playoffs they’ll get trounced.

Too many bonehead mistakes, too much inconsistency and some outright boneheaded offensive play calling. Not a good recipe to do anything in a playoff scenario.

[RiverRat13]

The Bengals call plays as if they have the offensive line they wished they have, instead of the line they actually have.

[The Operator]

At least we have Burrow. He’s a real game changer. He’ll put the team on his back and drag them to victory. Probably.

Shouldn’t you be busy hanging up those framed posters of Tua above your bed?

[mhs95_06]

Defense had the play covered on 3rd an 1 and failed to execute!

[Playadlc]

At least we have Burrow. He’s a real game changer. He’ll put the team on his back and drag them to victory. Probably.

Got your daily Burrow bash plug in.

Do you feel better? You ready to take on the world now?

[The Operator]

They’ve got Boyd returning punts now.

Darius Phillips’ days may be numbered.

[mhs95_06]

Not fielding the punt pays dividends!

[The Operator]

Not fielding the punt pays dividends!

I thought to myself a few minutes ago, just let the stupid ball drop and roll where it may. Bad field position is better than a turnover. Lol

[OldFashionedRed]

Not fielding the punt pays dividends!

I shouldn't laugh. :lol:

[mhs95_06]

Darius Phillips’ days may be numbered.

Needs to be -- trust has left the building.

[The Operator]

Mixon finally breaks through with a run longer than 2 yards to save his average.

[KoryMac5]

This one stings as it was a winnable game...SF out their starting running back and top 2 corners...

[Playadlc]

That 2nd down draw call was abysmal.

[OldFashionedRed]

Holy sheet, what a play by Burrow :)

[The Operator]

There it is!!!


That’s what you need!!!



But I’m sure Tua would have thrown for 2 TD’s there. Herbert would have probably thrown the ball twice as fast while also inventing a perpetual motion machine.

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You cannot call that back. He was in.

[KoryMac5]

That 2nd down draw call was abysmal.

every single play call today was awful...SF is starting Josh freakin Norman at CB and you continue to hammer the run.

[The Operator]

This one stings as it was a winnable game...SF out their starting running back and top 2 corners...

So many of the losses have been. Bears, Jets, Packers and even last week against the Chargers were all very winnable.

[OldFashionedRed]

Seems like we're upping the pace, going after them.

[Playadlc]

I really wish Evan would stop missing crucial FG’s.

[Larkin90]

At least we have Burrow. He’s a real game changer. He’ll put the team on his back and drag them to victory. Probably.

See, I predicted this

[mhs95_06]

Smart play going down after a 1 yard punt return.

[The Operator]

God this o line is so bad.

Burrow has been running for his life all day.

[KoryMac5]

This coming draft have to go O-line heavy///Burrow is on pace for 51 sacks...

[Roy Tucker]

Welp. Bengals have a shot.

[The Operator]

Burrow is getting killed. Gawd man.

[KoryMac5]

One last chance...

[OldFashionedRed]

Imagine Joe with an O line. We could call him Joe Burrowtana :D

[The Operator]

Chase!!!!!


There it is!!!

[The Operator]

Need the defense to keep them from marching down for a field goal now.


I’ve seen it way too many times.

[OldFashionedRed]

You can't make a throw under any more pressure than that, lol.

[The Operator]

Challenge that.

That might be a fumble

[The Operator]

Letting them driiiiiive right down the field.

[OldFashionedRed]

I'm proud of our boys!!!!

[The Operator]

Oh Bates how do you drop that

[Playadlc]

I’m sick.

[The Operator]

That oughta do it

[OldFashionedRed]

Heartbreaking :(

[The Operator]

He missed it!!!!!


On toward OT!!!

[OldFashionedRed]

Holy smokes, wow.......can't believe he missed that :)

[CTA513]

Gould misses, going to overtime

[The Operator]

We win the toss and get the ball!!!


Maintain control of the kickoff and drive it down for a touchdown!

[Playadlc]

Let Joe go. Let him do his thing.

[OldFashionedRed]

10-20 yards guys!

[The Operator]

Back to falling in love with Mixon.

[Roy Tucker]

You have to go for the jugular here.

[The Operator]

Uggghhhhhh

[mhs95_06]

Oh Bates how do you drop that

Another costly muffed catch!

[The Operator]

Bengals take the 23-20 lead on a field goal.


Need the defense to step up yet again.

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Another costly muffed catch!

Looked like a pick 6 from one angle but I wouldn’t say it for sure was. Huge missed play.

[mhs95_06]

Takeaway ends it.

[Roy Tucker]

I don’t get running Mixon in 1st and 2nd down there. You had them on their heels.

[Playadlc]

I don’t get running Mixon in 1st and 2nd down there. You had them on their heels.

Made no sense.

[mhs95_06]

I don’t get running Mixon in 1st and 2nd down there. You had them on their heels.

Trying to slow the rush to get enough time for the GW pass TD.

[The Operator]

I don’t get running Mixon in 1st and 2nd down there. You had them on their heels.

Absolutely stupid play calling which is a very common theme in every game they’ve lost.

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They’re gonna drive it in for the win.

[WVRed]

Can we get Titanic music ready for the inevitable TD?

[Playadlc]

Zac running it two times is infuriating. He did the same crap against the Packers.

[The Operator]

LOL

[OldFashionedRed]

Have to give it to the 49ers, they can catch it midfield.

[Roy Tucker]

I think that’s ballgame there.

[The Operator]

That’s that. Another very winnable game turns into a loss. Infuriating.


Zac Taylor acting as the play caller has got to stop.

[WVRed]

Write a blank check to Joe Brady.

[Larkin90]

At least we have Burrow. He’s a real game changer. He’ll put the team on his back and drag them to victory. Probably.

Never mind

[Playadlc]

Zac talks a tough game about being aggressive but he very seldom is. Those two runs were just prototypical Zac Taylor.

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[KoryMac5]

Write a blank check to Joe Brady.

Brady was fired from Carolina...whose offense was awful

[Roy Tucker]

Yeah, that’s on Taylor there. This isn’t high school ball. You have the momentum, you have the ball, you go grab the win when it’s there for the taking. They just didn’t.

[UKFlounder]

When it comes down to heart, the Bengals show their true colors

[KoryMac5]

Turnovers and a conservative gameplan killed us...

[Reds Freak]

Not gonna win many games when you gift-wrap the other team 10 points without them even having to work for it. And then you call the game like Jim Tressel.

[WVRed]

Brady was fired from Carolina...whose offense was awful

Can’t be worse than Taylor and he’s worked with Burrow and Chase before.

[The Operator]

Just like the Packers game Taylor takes the ball out of Burrow’s hands and gives it to a running back when they had an opportunity to win the game. His play calling is absolutely atrocious.

[KoryMac5]

When it comes down to heart, the Bengals show their true colors

They have enough hert to keep coming back week after week...but you can't have all the turnovers...and the vanilla gameplan week after week. You have a Ferrari you only take to get groceries.

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Just like the Packers game Taylor takes the ball out of Burrow’s hands and gives it to a running back when they had an opportunity to win the game. His play calling is absolutely atrocious.

Agreed no killer instinct...

[mhs95_06]

Bengals still control their own destiny. Need to play smarter!

[RiverRat13]

One coach got conservative when his team got into FG range in OT. The other coach stayed aggressive.

[RiverRat13]

The Bengals waste too many 1st half possessions trying to establish the run. They lived in 3rd and long today the first several possessions. They aren't the 49ers or Browns. They've got 3 stud receivers and a very good young QB. Turn them loose.

[KoryMac5]

Burrow under pressure all day threw for 348...he could have easily had 450 if Taylor would have attacked from the onset

[Playadlc]

The Bengals waste too many 1st half possessions trying to establish the run. They lived in 3rd and long today the first several possessions. They aren't the 49ers or Browns. They've got 3 stud receivers and a very good young QB. Turn them loose.

100%. I’m so sick of this crap. Zac simply doesn’t call plays to his teams strengths.

[Bob Sheed]

I'm not sure this team is good enough to overcome Zac Taylor. Maybe a few more difference makers and it wouldn't matter. Or maybe if everyone happens to be healthy.

But if it's up to the coaching staff to make a difference, it's not going to be a difference in a good way. It took him what, 3 quarters to figure out what the 49ers were doing? Then in OT he went right back to trying to run an obviously not 100% Mixon up the middle.

To say nothing of whatever that 1st half was.

[RedTeamGo!]

Can’t be worse than Taylor and he’s worked with Burrow and Chase before.

I mean, that LSU offense was basically “throw the ball really high and long to your ultra talented WRs against defensive backs that will be personal trainers at Urban Active in 6 months”

[KoryMac5]

I'm not sure this team is good enough to overcome Zac Taylor. Maybe a few more difference makers and it wouldn't matter. Or maybe if everyone happens to be healthy.

But if it's up to the coaching staff to make a difference, it's not going to be a difference in a good way. It took him what, 3 quarters to figure out what the 49ers were doing? Then in OT he went right back to trying to run an obviously not 100% Mixon up the middle.

To say nothing of whatever that 1st half was.

They have the talent to overcome his ineptness as a play caller but once the injuries start to pile up it becomes a mountain to tough to climb...they just don't have enough depth to withstand his vanilla approach as a team.

[WVRed]

This coming draft have to go O-line heavy///Burrow is on pace for 51 sacks...

I can add some more:

CB- Any contributions to special teams is a bonus
DT
LB
TE-Uzomah is a FA and Sample is a run blocker only.

Overall they just need depth. O-line, defense, and special teams especially.

[WVRed]

I mean, that LSU offense was basically “throw the ball really high and long to your ultra talented WRs against defensive backs that will be personal trainers at Urban Active in 6 months”

We have one of those ultra talented WRs too.

[KoryMac5]

We have one of those ultra talented WRs too.

Taylor calls the plays...no way Brady comes here unless Taylor is shown the door. Mike Brown is not firing Taylor...

[WrongVerb]

The Bengals need a dynamic play maker on defense. Either a DT or LB would be ideal. This team's defense would be a beast if they had Burfict in his prime.

[RedTeamGo!]

We have one of those ultra talented WRs too.

Yeah and it’s works once a game or so and the DBs are professionals

[KoryMac5]

The Bengals need a dynamic play maker on defense. Either a DT or LB would be ideal. This team's defense would be a beast if they had Burfict in his prime.

Hopefully Ossai can be a difference maker next season

[KoryMac5]

Den, Bal, KC, Cle need to go 3-1 I think it will come down to last game of the season...

[RedTeamGo!]

Browns have Raiders, Packers, Steelers, and Bengals to finish the season. Packers and Steelers on the road. I think 1-3 is more likely than 3-1.

[KoryMac5]

Browns have Raiders, Packers, Steelers, and Bengals to finish the season. Packers and Steelers on the road. I think 1-3 is more likely than 3-1.

It's been a crazy year no TEAM is out of it...

[Hillsdale87]

They drafted Chase and then decided this year that the offense would focus on establishing the run... If they wanted to do that they should have just taken Sewell.

I think Taylor is a decent coach. I didn't want him fired last year, but he's holding them back right now. The Bengals should be the best team in the AFC North, and I don't think it's even close. The players aren't faultless of course. Taylor didn't muff 2 punts, miss a chip shot FG, commit a costly taunting penalty, etc. But he's cost them multiple games with his playcalling. They never should have needed to stage an amazing comeback. They're much better than the 49ers. Burrow is one of the best QBs in the NFL, and Taylor calls plays like he's got Jimmy G. The future should be bright, but it won't be until Taylor catches up or is replaced.


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[KoryMac5]

They drafted Chase and then decided this year that the offense would focus on establishing the run... If they wanted to do that they should have just taken Sewell.

I think Taylor is a decent coach. I didn't want him fired last year, but he's holding them back right now. The Bengals should be the best team in the AFC North, and I don't think it's even close. The players aren't faultless of course. Taylor didn't muff 2 punts, miss a chip shot FG, commit a costly taunting penalty, etc. But he's cost them multiple games with his playcalling. They never should have needed to stage an amazing comeback. They're much better than the 49ers. Burrow is one of the best QBs in the NFL, and Taylor calls plays like he's got Jimmy G. The future should be bright, but it won't be until Taylor catches up or is replaced.


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I agree and it's just a matter of time before we start to hear some grumbling from the team...everything is great when you are winning but 2 losses in a row won't sit well with the young kids on this team.

[KoryMac5]

Zac Taylor certainly indicates that he regrets the lack of aggressiveness to close Cincinnati's offensive drive in overtime.

Clown show quote of the day...

[Todd Gack]

Can someone quote my post where I said our biggest weaknesses were coaching and the OL?

[Tony Cloninger]

This team reminds me more of the underachieving 1985-86 Bengals. Beat talent in the division but either the defense or a Wyche over thinking things would screw then from getting into the playoffs. It was the opposite though of not allowing your best players to lead your team. Those teams had a great running game that could run the ball down other teams. They needed to as well since those defenses were terrible. And their special teams were just as bad too.

Anyways after that Pittsburgh win and the way they ran the ball I’m sure they figured they could do that against anyone else.

[Todd Gack]

Other observations:

Jamar Chase is still. . .well, I'm still not 100% sold. Forget the stats. He just. . . he just seems way too inconsistent. Goes missing for large periods of games. Definitely potential, but the way our OL is playing and the fact that he's been "Meh" in the last 5 weeks or whatever is concerning.

Jesse Bates. I can't believe I'm saying this but the Bengals organization has been 100% right about not giving this guy a big pay day. A pretender.

Not sure why we didn't try to address our OL even more. Burrow is getting killed back there. This organization is so good at saving literal money and the worst at protecting their own assets.

Zac Taylor is a pretender. At least for now. He has the balls to go for it on 4th and 2 in the middle of a game but curls up in the fetal position when it matters.


MacPherson: No one cares that you're a rookie or Vet. Make the kicks when it matters.

Darius Phillips: Has no one seen this coming? His PR were awful even in garbage time. Those things mattered and the fact that Simmons didn't address this earlier is 100% on him.

[goreds2]

If my math is correct, the entire division is separated by just 1 and a half games.

[Stray]

Worst loss of the season imo. We were the better team and gave the game away in the 1st half. Were the balls Crisco'd or what? Just fair catch the punt, Joe Burrow is on your team.

[KoryMac5]

Other observations:

Jamar Chase is still. . .well, I'm still not 100% sold. Forget the stats. He just. . . he just seems way too inconsistent. Goes missing for large periods of games. Definitely potential, but the way our OL is playing and the fact that he's been "Meh" in the last 5 weeks or whatever is concerning.

Jesse Bates. I can't believe I'm saying this but the Bengals organization has been 100% right about not giving this guy a big pay day. A pretender.

Not sure why we didn't try to address our OL even more. Burrow is getting killed back there. This organization is so good at saving literal money and the worst at protecting their own assets.

Zac Taylor is a pretender. At least for now. He has the balls to go for it on 4th and 2 in the middle of a game but curls up in the fetal position when it matters.


MacPherson: No one cares that you're a rookie or Vet. Make the kicks when it matters.

Darius Phillips: Has no one seen this coming? His PR were awful even in garbage time. Those things mattered and the fact that Simmons didn't address this earlier is 100% on him.

The NFL is about adjustments Chase is getting a lot of cloud coverage since he set the world on fire, I think you saw his counter-punch to that vs SF...not sure you can say the jury is still out on him and disregard his stats...that is all evidence to be considered.

I would not pay Bates the $ he is looking for...he is a very good safety but is not a game changer at that position. I imagine they tag him or trade him this offseason. You can't drop that pick.

McPherson has been really good 21 out of 25 he made the kick in OT as well when Gould missed his...

Agree 100% on Taylor...

[ScotlandRed]

From everything I’ve read etc the players seem to really like Taylor, but you keep taking the ball out of Burrow’s hands when it matters and he will not like it. He is a killer, let him kill!! Run run run punt to start the second half then the OT nonsense virtually in the redzone is just inexcusable.

[WVRed]

The NFL is about adjustments Chase is getting a lot of cloud coverage since he set the world on fire, I think you saw his counter-punch to that vs SF...not sure you can say the jury is still out on him and disregard his stats...that is all evidence to be considered.

I would not pay Bates the $ he is looking for...he is a very good safety but is not a game changer at that position. I imagine they tag him or trade him this offseason. You can't drop that pick.

McPherson has been really good 21 out of 25 he made the kick in OT as well when Gould missed his...

Agree 100% on Taylor...

Regarding Chase:

The Bengals need another receiver. Doesn’t have to be a high pick but preferably a speed threat to keep defenses honest. More weapons opens it up and would also help in taking coverage away from Chase.

[KoryMac5]

Regarding Chase:

The Bengals need another receiver. Doesn’t have to be a high pick but preferably a speed threat to keep defenses honest. More weapons opens it up and would also help in taking coverage away from Chase.

Chase is your speed and vertical threat...4.38 40 time...Waddle who is considered a speedster ran a 4.37. I am thrilled with what Higgins and Chase bring to the table...now TE is a different story.

[RiverRat13]

Chase is your speed and vertical threat...4.38 40 time...Waddle who is considered a speedster ran a 4.37. I am thrilled with what Higgins and Chase bring to the table...now TE is a different story.

I'm thinking WVRed is saying get another vertical threat in the later rounds and run him out there as WR4 or WR5 instead of a Mike Thomas or Auden Tate. Someone who plays 10-15 snaps that the defense has to respect going over the top.

[bucksfan2]

Chase has been inconsistent this year. Too many drops have short circuited drives. He has the knack for making the great play, but that consistency needs to come.

This OLine and Burrow won't work going forward. The OLine is a mess, and Burrow is a guy who holds the ball too long and takes too many sacks. Burrow doesn't seem to be the QB who is going to get the ball out fast, and this OLine doesn't mesh with his style. It has to be addressed.

Two muffed punts, one terrible taunting call led to most of SF's points. Those aren't on Taylor, those are on the players making plays or not making plays.

I will say this about Taylor, he often struggles when they get within the 30 yard line. He does get vanilla and too many FG's are attempted. I think his opening game plan leaves something to be desired (although it seems that Chase's drops often come early in the game.) He does a pretty good job at making halftime adjustments, and his team doesn't stop playing. I am perfectly happy with him as the HC.

I think they are ahead of schedule from where I thought they would be this year. They have a shot at the playoffs, have the best young QB in the AFC North, and things are pointing up. Their young guys need more time to develop, and they need a little more depth on the roster, but overall I like the direction this team is heading.

[Sea Ray]

Regarding Chase:

The Bengals need another receiver. Doesn’t have to be a high pick but preferably a speed threat to keep defenses honest. More weapons opens it up and would also help in taking coverage away from Chase.

If you get another WR, who sits? What are your chances of upgrading from Chase, Higgins and Boyd?

[KoryMac5]

Chase has been inconsistent this year. Too many drops have short circuited drives. He has the knack for making the great play, but that consistency needs to come.

This OLine and Burrow won't work going forward. The OLine is a mess, and Burrow is a guy who holds the ball too long and takes too many sacks. Burrow doesn't seem to be the QB who is going to get the ball out fast, and this OLine doesn't mesh with his style. It has to be addressed.

Two muffed punts, one terrible taunting call led to most of SF's points. Those aren't on Taylor, those are on the players making plays or not making plays.

I will say this about Taylor, he often struggles when they get within the 30 yard line. He does get vanilla and too many FG's are attempted. I think his opening game plan leaves something to be desired (although it seems that Chase's drops often come early in the game.) He does a pretty good job at making halftime adjustments, and his team doesn't stop playing. I am perfectly happy with him as the HC.

I think they are ahead of schedule from where I thought they would be this year. They have a shot at the playoffs, have the best young QB in the AFC North, and things are pointing up. Their young guys need more time to develop, and they need a little more depth on the roster, but overall I like the direction this team is heading.

Agreed any team with a decent front 4 has owned the Bengals this year...SF barely blitzed yesterday and Burrow was running for his life.

The taunting penalty still infuriates me and just shows how over reactive the refs are...Bell was asked about it after the game said he pointed at the Center to let him know he almost hit him. It's a clown call and an awful rule.

Chase seems to be a confidence thing...if he catches his first pass I know he is going to have a big game. He showed up big time yesterday.

[bucksfan2]

Agreed any team with a decent front 4 has owned the Bengals this year...SF barely blitzed yesterday and Burrow was running for his life.

The taunting penalty still infuriates me and just shows how over reactive the refs are...Bell was asked about it after the game said he pointed at the Center to let him know he almost hit him. It's a clown call and an awful rule.

Chase seems to be a confidence thing...if he catches his first pass I know he is going to have a big game. He showed up big time yesterday.

It may be the last two games that stick in my mind, but in the first series (?) yesterday on third down Chase dropped a first down pass over the middle. And against the Chargers he had two early drops in the first couple of drives. The first one wasn't a first down, but would have been a good pickup on either 1st or 2nd down.

Don't get me wrong, WR's drop passes, but it seems like Chase has some early yips that put the Bengals in a early hole. You have to get him involved early, but the drops hurt.

[Sea Ray]

Agreed any team with a decent front 4 has owned the Bengals this year...SF barely blitzed yesterday and Burrow was running for his life.

The taunting penalty still infuriates me and just shows how over reactive the refs are...Bell was asked about it after the game said he pointed at the Center to let him know he almost hit him. It's a clown call and an awful rule.

Chase seems to be a confidence thing...if he catches his first pass I know he is going to have a big game. He showed up big time yesterday.

The NFL needs to realize that they have a flag problem. They need to decrease the number of flags thrown and taunting as well as celebration, is a good place to start

[KoryMac5]

Chase is tied for the league lead in drops at 7 some surprising names on the list...Tyreek Hill and Keenan Allen at 6. It's definitely an area of improvement for him.

[WVRed]

If you get another WR, who sits? What are your chances of upgrading from Chase, Higgins and Boyd?

You can run 4 receiver sets.

[Sea Ray]

Chase is tied for the league lead in drops at 7 some surprising names on the list...Tyreek Hill and Keenan Allen at 6. It's definitely an area of improvement for him.

It is a place for him to improve but that stat means that he's dropping a pass every other game...whereas in yesterday's game, he contributed 2 TDs. His positives far outweigh the negatives

[Sea Ray]

You can run 4 receiver sets.

So we're talking about upgrading at WR #4? This team has far, far greater needs than a 4th WR

[Bob Sheed]

Running Mixon up the gut for 1-2 yards a pop to "establish the run" is stupid.

The Bengals don't have the talent on their offensive line to do this. Quick outs and screens accomplish the same thing in cases like these. Pass to setup the run for this group, not the other way around.

This offense has the tools to be more of a "Greatest Show On Turf" back-in-the-day Rams offense. But Taylor calls plays more like the Bettis-Steelers days. It's stupid. The playcalling doesn't match the talent.

I'm surprised Taylor isn't running the triple option. That's how aware he seems to be.

[Sea Ray]

Running Mixon up the gut for 1-2 yards a pop to "establish the run" is stupid.

The Bengals don't have the talent on their offensive line to do this. Quick outs and screens accomplish the same thing in cases like these. Pass to setup the run for this group, not the other way around.

This offense has the tools to be more of a "Greatest Show On Turf" back-in-the-day Rams offense. But Taylor calls plays more like the Bettis-Steelers days. It's stupid. The playcalling doesn't match the talent.

I'm surprised Taylor isn't running the triple option. That's how aware he seems to be.

This.

Actually Zac is all over the board on this. He's still feeling his way through this. Last yr he had Burrow throwing 50-60x/game. That's not good either

[Bob Sheed]

Well, he totaled the Ferrari last season.

This season, he's afraid to take it on the highway.

My favorite part yesterday was in OT, when he ran it up the gut on 1st and 2nd down for little gain to setup 3rd and long. And this was right after the lightbulb went on for Taylor finally, that the 49ers secondary was trash, they were compensating for it, and how you exploit it.

Nah let's just run it... :rolleyes:

[oregonred]

While a year ahead of schedule, the North is unexpectedly giftwrapped for the taking this season and Zac Taylor as offensive coordinator is clearly holding back the team.

They are 4-6 overall and 2-4 at home against teams not named Baltimore and Pittsburgh. 2-4 since the 5-2 start. Double digit early deficits and slow offensive starts at home vs. Jax, GB, Cleveland, Chargers and now the 49ers.

The offense is clearly being outschemed by better defensive coordinators and game planning in the majority of 1st halves.

Checkdowns, screens, anything to slow down the pass rush - seems to be missing in this offense. Along with way too predictable play calling leading to obvious and too many needless 3rd down and long passing situations. It has to be fun to be a DL or Edge rusher against this predictable offensive scheme.

[Redsfaithful]

Chase is 21 and 3rd in TDs, 5th in yards. Tough crowd.

I said this earlier in the year and it sucks I have to say it again: Joe Burrow is the guy. Let him be the guy. It's simpler than Taylor is making it out to be.

I would rather Burrow throw an INT and lose in OT than what actually happened. Let the guy make plays.

[KoryMac5]

Well, he totaled the Ferrari last season.

This season, he's afraid to take it on the highway.

My favorite part yesterday was in OT, when he ran it up the gut on 1st and 2nd down for little gain to setup 3rd and long. And this was right after the lightbulb went on for Taylor finally, that the 49ers secondary was trash, they were compensating for it, and how you exploit it.

Nah let's just run it... :rolleyes:

It absolutely crushed the momentum, the Bengals had them on their heels and Zac let them of the hook

[bucksfan2]

Chase is 21 and 3rd in TDs, 5th in yards. Tough crowd.

I said this earlier in the year and it sucks I have to say it again: Joe Burrow is the guy. Let him be the guy. It's simpler than Taylor is making it out to be.

I would rather Burrow throw an INT and lose in OT than what actually happened. Let the guy make plays.

I think its fair to say that he has had some key drops this season.

There was one key play in the Red Zone where Burrow went to the underneath guy when Chase was wide open to the corner. I say that not nit picking at Burrow, just that he is still learning. There are still growing pains with him and he still makes mistakes.

I didn't love going Mixon back to back in the Redzone in OT. But at the same time, I don't know enough to know if those were good calls or not. Dropping Burrow back every snap is a recipe for disaster with this OLine. I do think the Bengals are at their best when Mixon is running the ball well because it takes some pressure off Burrow.

IMO the game was lost on two muffed punts. This team isn't at the point where they can overcome those types plays. In essence the Bengals gave the 49ers around 50 free yards, twice yesterday.