Cincinnati Bengals - Part Four

[The Operator]

The last thread was nearing 1,000 posts. Continue here.


The Jets have come out swinging.

[The Operator]

Mike White is 7/7 passing and they’re doing whatever they want to our defense.


Really hope this is just the effect of a scripted drive we’re seeing here.

[The Operator]

That’s pass interference?


The ball didn’t even look catchable.

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Well….


The Jets have come out and punched us squarely in the mouth. Wow.

[Big Red Smokey]

Defense playing like they spent all week reading their press clippings.

[UKFlounder]

Don’t know what happened last week, but this is what I expect when I hear the phrase Bengals football.

[Ohayou]

If Wilson were starting, he definitely wouldn't be getting the ball out as quickly as White.

[The Operator]

And now a 3 & out on offense.

Wow.

[RedTeamGo!]

Who the hell is Mike White? That can’t be a real person.

[KoryMac5]

Bit of a trap game today...Bengals do not traditionally play well vs the Jets.

[Big Red Smokey]

Bengals have won last 3 against the Jets

[The Operator]

I’m hoping this game goes the same way the game against The Jags went. That game had all the feelings of a loss too.


Because man… it ain’t looking good so far.

[KoryMac5]

Who the hell is Mike White? That can’t be a real person.

Kid from Western KY has a big time baseball background...traditional pocket passer.

[The Operator]

9/9 passing by a practice squad QB.

[Playadlc]

Holy crap make this dude throw it past 7 yards.

[The Operator]

Make that 11/11.

[KoryMac5]

9/9 passing by a practice squad QB.

Not a heck of a lot of tape on him...might take a quarter or 2 to catch up to the new looks the Jets are giving.

[The Operator]

Hey! An INT!


That was needed.

[Playadlc]

Finally.

[The Operator]

Jeebus two hand offs to Mixon and losing yards.

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Wow.

Zac’s crappy play calling is back.

[The Operator]

Pathetic.

Absolutely pathetic.

[RiverRat13]

Chase with two drops already.

[Playadlc]

We better wake up in a hurry.

[Reds Freak]

Jeebus two hand offs to Mixon and losing yards.

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Wow.

Zac’s crappy play calling is back.

Don't put that on Zac. First and goal on the one, you don't need fancy play calling. That's brutal execution.

[The Operator]

Don't put that on Zac. First and goal on the one, you don't need fancy play calling. That's brutal execution.

Back to back hand offs to Mixon to put you on 3rd down? That feels like The Packers game.

[The Operator]

7 plays for -5 yards on offense.


Hell of a start.

[Reds Freak]

Back to back hand offs to Mixon to put you on 3rd down? That feels like The Packers game.

What do you want them to do at the one? A reverse?

[The Operator]

And another ricochet INT!


Okay offense DO SOMETHING HERE.

[KoryMac5]

Teams are going to be pumped up for the Bengals now...Chase and Burrow have to expect this.

[Hillsdale87]

Don't put that on Zac. First and goal on the one, you don't need fancy play calling. That's brutal execution.

Bad blocking plus a dropped pass. That's just execution


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[757690]

This is Mike White, writer of School of Rock, The Good Girl and White Lotus. Surprised he decided to start an NFL career at age 51

17785

[Playadlc]

Just a stupid challenge.

[The Operator]

Dumb dumb dumb challenge.

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Alright Mixon don’t celebrate too hard.

You guys still look really bad so far.

[RiverRat13]

Nice move by Mixon.

Center has to be a priority in the off-season.

[The Operator]

Awuzie juuuuust misses an INT that could have gone for 6.


Damn.

[The Operator]

Jets getting in Burrow’s face big time.


Sack and fumble, barely recovered.

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And now delay of game.

[Big Red Smokey]

Welp. Was a fun week feeling like they were good.

[The Operator]

Just an awful showing from the offense so far today.

[Playadlc]

Love how pissed Burrow is right now.

[The Operator]

Higgins!!!!

Wow!

[The Operator]

Ooooh that probably wasn’t a catch. Oh well I’ll take it. He was being interfered with anyway.


And Chase!!!! Bengals take the lead!!

[The Operator]

Well The Bengals are definitely winning the turnover battle.

[RiverRat13]

Mixon needs to stop trying to hurdle everyone. Don't need him getting hurt.

Not sure why they snapped that before the 2:00 warning.

[The Operator]

Man, settling for 3 there is a bummer.

[Playadlc]

Defense looks slow.

[The Operator]

Wow.

And the defense lets them match right down for a touchdown going into halftime.


Better make some major adjustments at the half.

[KoryMac5]

Man, settling for 3 there is a bummer.

Especially after the Jets come right down and score, defense looks average.

[The Operator]

Especially after the Jets come right down and score, defense looks average.

I’m sure this isn’t the case but they look like a group that say around reading about how great they are all week.

I mean I know better but wow. To go from destroying Lamar to this against a practice squad QB without his #1 receiver.

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Hey, they call back the touchdown.

[Ohayou]

Poor time management on that last drive. They only took like 6 seconds off the clock.

[The Operator]

He did NOT have possession of that ball.


Whatever.

[RiverRat13]

Poor time management on that last drive. They only took like 6 seconds off the clock.Yep. Dumb to snap it before the 2:00 warning and then should have run on first down.

[The Operator]

Welp.

Zac better have some big adjustments up his sleeve.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Steelers went for a fake field goal and injured their kicker, lol

[WrongVerb]

He did NOT have possession of that ball.


Whatever.

I gotta imagine big sports bettors are sick to their stomach right now.

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Welp.

Zac better have some big adjustments up his sleeve.

I don't think this is a Taylor issue. Burrow is gonna light up the locker room.

[UKFlounder]

Get a big win, then disappoint. This is a shame- they’re so close to contending and to gaining respect, but a loss today would kill any momentum

[RedTeamGo!]

Y’all know they are winning at halftime and are going to win this game, right? Probably by like 20 points or more?

[Playadlc]

Y’all know they are winning at halftime and are going to win this game, right? Probably by like 20 points or more?

Hope you’re right. I kinda feel the Jets are playing very well though.

It’ll be interesting.

[The Operator]

False start to start the 3rd.


Great. Lol

[The Operator]

Awful.

[RiverRat13]

Higgins can't get separation downfield.

[The Operator]

I hope they pull it out but The Bengals deserve to lose based on what I’m seeing so far.

They’re being thoroughly outclassed by a 1-6 team without their #1 wideout and using a practice squad QB.

[Playadlc]

That’s utterly embarrassing.

[The Operator]

And now the roughing the passer.


They’re gonna screw around and lose this game.

[RiverRat13]

They've tackled well all year but today it has been bad.

[The Operator]

Awful tackling.

[Playadlc]

Just completely outplayed in this one.

[The Operator]

Pretty fortunate to hold them to a field goal there.


Bengals are winning the turnover battle 3-0 and the game is tied. That’s…. Wow.

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Win or lose this game is an ice cold, sobering dose of reality.

[Playadlc]

Just finish the game. Win. Move on.

These games happen in the NFL. Just got to find a way here.

[WrongVerb]

Just finish the game. Win. Move on.

These games happen in the NFL. Just got to find a way here.

Yep. Gotta grind this one out.

[RiverRat13]

There you go, Tee!

[The Operator]

Higgins!!!

Now punch this into the end zone.

[RiverRat13]

There's a big time answer.

[The Operator]

Mixon!!!

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Maybe I’m cranky but I don’t love celebrating there.


You’ve looked bad all day against a bad team.

[Playadlc]

Great drive.

[WVRed]

Just finish the game. Win. Move on.

These games happen in the NFL. Just got to find a way here.

Always happens in NY, regardless of if it’s the Jets or Giants.

[The Operator]

My god the defense is awful today.

You’d think that was Tom Brady in a Jets uniform.

[Ohayou]

Jets o-line has been playing well. Bengals haven't been able to create much pressure today.

[The Operator]

This is embarrassing.

[RedTeamGo!]

I know this is a Bengals thread but this browns game is a weird one. The steelers kicker got injured on a ridiculous fake FG attempt. They have scored two TDs and went for 2 pts on both and failed both times. They had it on the 2 yard line, 4th down. A FG would have given them the lead, they went for it and converted a circus catch by some nobody TE.

[The Operator]

Pretty big to hold them to another field goal there.


Really need to answer with another touchdown.

[The Operator]

Big drive right there.

[WVRed]

I know this is a Bengals thread but this browns game is a weird one. The steelers kicker got injured on a ridiculous fake FG attempt. They have scored two TDs and went for 2 pts on both and failed both times. They had it on the 2 yard line, 4th down. A FG would have given them the lead, they went for it and converted a circus catch by some nobody TE.

Pat Friermuth. He played at Penn State last year. Steelers took him in the second round.

Steelers are going to be set up for the future with skill players (Najee, Friermuth, Dionate Johnson, Claypool) for whoever takes over at QB once Ben retires. Offensive line needs some help though.

[The Operator]

Getting torched on screen passes.

[WVRed]

Was really hoping the Bengals would have drafted Michael Carter to pair with Mixon. He’s a Gio clone.

[The Operator]

So much yardage after contact being allowed.

[Hillsdale87]

This defensive performance is discouraging after last week. No pressure, bad tackling, and guys wide open on every play.


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[RiverRat13]

This is awful. The Bengals can't go conservative when they get the ball back..

[The Operator]

Awful performance by the defense.

[The Operator]

Offense better have a big answer here.

[Hillsdale87]

Jets are dumping it short on every play and somehow no adjustments on defense. Pull up the safeties and make them try to throw over the top


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[UKFlounder]

Lou A. must have been on vacation last week, but they let him return today.


Today is much more realistic than the once-in-a-lifetime game at Baltimore.

This tesm still neddd help

[The Operator]

That’s probably the ballgame.

Wow.

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This reminds me of watching Bruce Gradkowski shred The Bengals multiple times.


Unbelievable.

[The Operator]

Wow. They absolutely deserve to lose this game.


Pathetic.

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400 yards passing by a practice squad QB without his #1 receiver.

[WrongVerb]

Is it just me, or does everyone see Apple's name whenever the Jets score?

[KoryMac5]

Still time left and I would think Burrow will be fuming after that pick set the Jets up at the 14

[The Operator]

Punting with 2:19 left?

Okay.

[Ohayou]

Punting with 2:19 left?

Okay.

Kind of have to.

[DocRed]

Yeesh...vs a backup journeyman QB

[The Operator]

Kind of have to.

I mean I guess… I’ll be shocked if they get the ball back though.


A pick 6 would be just wonderful.

[DocRed]

LOL WTF are the Jets doing?? Running OOB..

[KoryMac5]

Jets beating Tenn was puzzling...and now this offensive explosion from them today...

[GAC]

It's not a good day to be counting on Ohio teams lol

[DocRed]

Wow...that was s terrible call

[The Operator]

Helmet to helmet call.


That oughta ice the game.

[CTA513]

Nice call refs

[Ohayou]

Are you kidding me? How is that on Hilton?

[Hillsdale87]

One of the worst calls I've ever seen


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[GAC]

That was a terrible call!

[The Operator]

Ballgame.

[KoryMac5]

Twitter exploding over that call...not sure what Hinton was supposed to do.

[UKFlounder]

Two QBsin this game and it’s Burrow who chokes snd White who wins it.

Bengals may be back on track for double-digit losses this year.

[KoryMac5]

When you give up 514 yds it's back to the drawing board...

[CTA513]

This is what can happen when you let bad teams hang around.

[KoryMac5]

Two QBsin this game and it’s Burrow who chokes snd White who wins it.

Bengals may be back on track for double-digit losses this year.

Sports are strange...I didn't expect to beat Baltimore last week and they won big...this game was just the opposite. 5-3 headed into the Cleveland was about what I expected. Double digit losses would be catastrophic collapse.

[Redsfaithful]

I know, the narrative is going to be how badly the Bengals played, but that was legitimately one of the worst calls I've ever seen. I'm just stunned.

[Reds Freak]

Two QBsin this game and it’s Burrow who chokes snd White who wins it.

Bengals may be back on track for double-digit losses this year.

The thing I love about message boards is the even-keeled responses after games.

[The Operator]

Truly a brutal call but I mean, whatever.


37 completions and 400+ yards to a nobody QB without his #1 receiver. Just a truly pathetic performance by the defense.

[RiverRat13]

Terrible call but I have no clue what the defensive game plan was today. White had zero ability to throw it downfield yet the Bengals just allowed him to dink and dunk all day. Tackling was awful, too.

[KoryMac5]

Kyle Fuller would look nice in a Bengals uniform...

[The Operator]

I’ve never understood why penalty calls aren’t reviewable. Like how on earth was a call that bad not able to be challenged.


I mean, whatever. They deserved to lose. But penalties should be able to be challenged.

[Tony Cloninger]

Did not get too excited about last week. Talking about how they could dominate for the next several years or what not. Not going to get apocalyptic now either. But what a horrible game to pull out. That’s why no one. Can trust this team.

[KoryMac5]

We said after GB it was going to be an up and down year as this team figures it out but man this loss is a punch to the head, gut, and nads...all in one shot

[Hillsdale87]

The Bengals didn't particularly deserve to win that game, but it's also hard not to feel cheated by that call. That's a call at that point in the game that would never go against the Ravens, Steelers, Chiefs, etc.


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[Redsfaithful]

They'll be fine. I doubt Tennessee thinks their season is over because they lost to the Jets. Talking about double digit losses is crazy.

Mike White might be a starter in the NFL honestly. Super accurate passer.

[UKFlounder]

An 11 point lead with 5 minutes left against a practice-squad QB turning into a loss is pretty catastrophic. This wasn’t the 85 Bears on the other sideline



Sports are strange...I didn't expect to beat Baltimore last week and they won big...this game was just the opposite. 5-3 headed into the Cleveland was about what I expected. Double digit losses would be catastrophic collapse.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wow

[Redsfaithful]

Terrible call but I have no clue what the defensive game plan was today. White had zero ability to throw it downfield yet the Bengals just allowed him to dink and dunk all day. Tackling was awful, too.

Did he even attempt a pass downfield? He didn't need to.

[Redsfaithful]

Tennessee moves to 6-2, despite their loss to the Jets lol

[KoryMac5]

Did he even attempt a pass downfield? He didn't need to.

Agreed they got chunk plays all day due to missed tackles...no pressure and poor tackling recipe for disaster.

[RiverRat13]

Did he even attempt a pass downfield? He didn't need to.He threw one where the Jets held anyway and he missed a wide open receiver by 3 yards.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals went out and got guys like Hinton and Hendrickson for accountability...I am interested in seeing if that pays off as the Browns will run all over you if it doesn't. I imagine they will be doing a ton of film work this week.

[RiverRat13]

They came out flat after the big win in Pittsburgh and again today after the big win in Baltimore. They aren't good enough to just show up and win.

[KoryMac5]

They came out flat after the big win in Pittsburgh and again today after the big win in Baltimore. They aren't good enough to just show up and win.

All part of learning how to win in the NFL plus I think they have been on the road quite a bit this season so they might have been a bit out of gas emotionally and physically.

[traderumor]

I know this is life in the NFL, trap game, still 2-1 in three straight road games, historically bad call, yada, yada, yada...but they had the path out of the escape room and refused to leave.

Watching the soft zone of the Buckeyes last night and then the Bengals run a garbage soft zone today, head coaches should NEVER let their D coordinator come to them with such a game plan. If all you can draw up is a prevent D and call it a game plan, go home.

[traderumor]

and the mysterious thing is that cudos were flying around everywhere for the D game plan on Lamar last week, then he plays a base Prevent D this week. Just befuddling how you can get such varied performance in sport from game to game. It is as if they just took the week off and showed up for the game. Or did he just whiff in preparation? I dunno, drives me insane.

[The Operator]

I know this is life in the NFL, trap game, still 2-1 in three straight road games, historically bad call, yada, yada, yada...but they had the path out of the escape room and refused to leave.

Watching the soft zone of the Buckeyes last night and then the Bengals run a garbage soft zone today, head coaches should NEVER let their D coordinator come to them with such a game plan. If all you can draw up is a prevent D and call it a game plan, go home.

Agreed 100%. You might take away the big play but then they’ll just dink and dunk you to death while chewing up huge chunks of the clock and that’s exactly what happened today.


There’s a reason why you never see Steelers or Ravens teams employing that sort of defensive strategy.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals also need to figure out the offense when teams take Chase away...which will happen more and more as we get into the season.

[UKFlounder]

The constant poor play at the start of games is frustrating, but halfway through the season now (basically) it’s doubtful this staff can change it. Just try not to fall into too big of a hole early on and hope Burrow can bail them out late. It’s a questionable approach, but that’s what they do



and the mysterious thing is that cudos were flying around everywhere for the D game plan on Lamar last week, then he plays a base Prevent D this week. Just befuddling how you can get such varied performance in sport from game to game. It is as if they just took the week off and showed up for the game. Or did he just whiff in preparation? I dunno, drives me insane.

[WVRed]

Punting with 2:19 left?

Okay.

I would have rather they went for it here as well. Jets had momentum with White and going conservative came back to bite them here.

Kinda ironic both of my teams (UK football and the Bengals) lost to teams doing the exact same scheme with dink and dunk passing and a questionable call somewhere in the game.

[Hillsdale87]

I would have rather they went for it here as well. Jets had momentum with White and going conservative came back to bite them.

I wanted them to.go for it too, but it ended up being the right call. They got the stop, but the ref took it away.


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[KoryMac5]

Nothing like raiding the daughters Halloween stash to help swallow this bitter pill today...

[RiverRat13]

It will be interesting to see if the league says anything about that call. They justified the Shazier hit on Gio, so I'll be moderately surprise if they issue a mea culpa.

[traderumor]

Rock stars for a week, then pass out on stage at the next concert.

[Ohayou]

It will be interesting to see if the league says anything about that call. They justified the Shazier hit on Gio, so I'll be moderately surprise if they issue a mea culpa.

Doubtful. Maybe if it was a playoff game. I'm not 100% against removing the "human element" altogether from officiating, but the NFL can do better (understatement of the century).

[Stray]

That call was inexcusable. Pretty sure we at least tie the game with the final drive, but opportunity was taken away from us. Obviously there were many other chances to win this game, but that doesn't excuse a BS game altering call like that.

[Redsfaithful]

All part of learning how to win in the NFL plus I think they have been on the road quite a bit this season so they might have been a bit out of gas emotionally and physically.

Really good point, I didn't really realize how lopsided that has been so far. They only have 3 road games left.

[RedEye]

I still think this team wins 10 or 11 games and has a chance at the playoffs. NFL seasons are a rough ride. They are a young team. I loved the way the leaders came out together and took responsibility for the loss.

[Stray]

Bengals also need to figure out the offense when teams take Chase away...which will happen more and more as we get into the season.

Agree with this. Ja'Marr is a phenom and every team we play is going to try and take him away.

I think it kinda caught Burrow off guard today, tho he did adlib well when he had time. But then we're back to time being important.

[Stray]

Rock stars for a week, then pass out on stage at the next concert.

Defense and D scheme was bad, but the team hardly passed out on stage. Don't think this is fair.

Everyone we play are paid pros. There isn't *that* big of a diff between good and bad teams. Not at this level.

And they absolutely win this game if not for that BS helmet to helmet call. I'm convinced of this because of Joe Burrow.

[GAC]

Sports are strange...I didn't expect to beat Baltimore last week and they won big...this game was just the opposite. 5-3 headed into the Cleveland was about what I expected. Double digit losses would be catastrophic collapse.

I doubt the Bengals will have much trouble with the Browns next week. Most of the Brown's starters played yesterday, but weren't anywhere near 100%. They're pretty banged up. Mayfield shouldn't be playing, Landry dropping passes, critical fumble, Chubbs didn't look good at all IMO (limited carries). Plus, I'm starting to question some of Stefanski's play calling. Pretty predictable IMO.

[traderumor]

Defense and D scheme was bad, but the team hardly passed out on stage. Don't think this is fair.

Everyone we play are paid pros. There isn't *that* big of a diff between good and bad teams. Not at this level.

And they absolutely win this game if not for that BS helmet to helmet call. I'm convinced of this because of Joe Burrow.

Lipstick on a pig, they weren't ready to play, the Jets were embarrassed last week, had a plan, and made the D look incompetent. Bad call or not, the D was unacceptable and hopefully is a gut check for that side of the ball to get better.

[Sea Ray]

Agree with this. Ja'Marr is a phenom and every team we play is going to try and take him away.

I think it kinda caught Burrow off guard today, tho he did adlib well when he had time. But then we're back to time being important.

The offense scored plenty to beat a Jets team. Are we saying we lost because we didn't score 40? Why weren't they prepared for a short dunk and dump offense? That's exactly what I would've expected

[traderumor]

Or is Matt White the next Brett Favre? (for those wayback Bengals fans)

[Sea Ray]

The Bengals weren't the only team to make backups look like Brett Favre. Seattle, New Orleans, and Dallas all won with backups...some won easily

[Ohayou]

I actually mocked Mike White as a 2nd round pick to the Patriots in our 2018 mock draft:

https://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?115860-2018-rz-nfl-mock-draft&p=3777416&viewfull=1#post3777416

One of the officials in yesterday's game, Craig Wrolstad, was asked about the penalty on Mike Hilton. He said:

- Hilton lowered his head, not Johnson
- There was no discussion about calling it on Johnson
- Try hitting with your shoulder instead

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/01/bengals-officiating-crew-comments-infamous-flag-mike-hilton/

All the more reason everything should be reviewable. Either call it consistently or don't call it at all, because too often 19/20 of these hits will not get called...until they do with 2 minutes left and the game on the line lol.

Onto the Browns. Hopefully Carman is OK for Sunday. The O-line is going to have their hands full with Garrett/Clowney.

[Sea Ray]

I actually mocked Mike White as a 2nd round pick to the Patriots in our 2018 mock draft:

https://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?115860-2018-rz-nfl-mock-draft&p=3777416&viewfull=1#post3777416

One of the officials in yesterday's game, Craig Wrolstad, was asked about the penalty on Mike Hilton. He said:

- Hilton lowered his head, not Johnson
- There was no discussion about calling it on Johnson
- Try hitting with your shoulder instead

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/01/bengals-officiating-crew-comments-infamous-flag-mike-hilton/

All the more reason everything should be reviewable. Either call it consistently or don't call it at all, because too often 19/20 of these hits will not get called...until they do with 2 minutes left and the game on the line lol.

Onto the Browns. Hopefully Carman is OK for Sunday. The O-line is going to have their hands full with Garrett/Clowney.

There's nothing wrong with lowering the head if you're aiming for the thighs. How else are you to tackle big strong NFL guys? Ballcarriers are generally not defenseless. If that's what the official said then he should be called out for seeing it wrong. Johnson definitely lowered his head

This explains it quite well:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-cant-allow-blown-call-on-bengals-jets-helmet-collision-to-happen-003754183.html

Does anyone here disagree?

[Ohayou]

It's almost impossible to NOT lead with your head, especially when you're wearing a big, bulky helmet and running full speed at a moving target. To just say "try hitting with your shoulder instead" is comical.

I don't want to spend too much time talking about it. I'm just disappointed that one person, who wasn't even on the field, can put the game away like that.

[Sea Ray]

It's almost impossible to NOT lead with your head, especially when you're wearing a big, bulky helmet and running full speed at a moving target. To just say "try hitting with your shoulder instead" is comical.

I don't want to spend too much time talking about it. I'm just disappointed that one person, who wasn't even on the field, can put the game away like that.

If it wasn't for the runner lowering his helmet, I think he would have hit him with his shoulder. If this is allowed, can you imagine how easy it'd be for offenses to pick up first downs? Just lower your helmet to meet the defenders and you're golden. This is why they wear helmets

[forfreelin04]

Classic Trap Game. Some bad breaks with the refs. Third Away game in a Row. Robert Saleh is a damn good hire. Give him some time with his roster. Jets also knocked off a good Titans team who beat up on the Chiefs in Week 7.

Defense was out coached. Plain and Simple. Other teams will exploit the short passing combined with hurry up. It motors down some of the Bengals beef up front. No time for subs. Logan Wilson also had a so-so game.

Sans the offense not scoring on the first opportunity in the redzone this one is not on the offense. Do they start slow? Yes, they do. I think that's more on Opie Taylor than anything. He always tries to start Joe out fast and abandons Mixon until much later in the game. I wish he'd establish the run game more in the first quarter.

[UKFlounder]

The offense also finished slow - Burrow's interception which lead to the Jets taking the lead, then needing to punt instead of driving for the win. Those two series were fatal blows too.



Classic Trap Game. Some bad breaks with the refs. Third Away game in a Row. Robert Saleh is a damn good hire. Give him some time with his roster. Jets also knocked off a good Titans team who beat up on the Chiefs in Week 7.

Defense was out coached. Plain and Simple. Other teams will exploit the short passing combined with hurry up. It motors down some of the Bengals beef up front. No time for subs. Logan Wilson also had a so-so game.

Sans the offense not scoring on the first opportunity in the redzone this one is not on the offense. Do they start slow? Yes, they do. I think that's more on Opie Taylor than anything. He always tries to start Joe out fast and abandons Mixon until much later in the game. I wish he'd establish the run game more in the first quarter.

[mhs95_06]

It has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time, since they instituted the helmet to helmet rule, that the refs never even consider calling a foul on an offensive running back or tight end when he gets in open field and a cornerback comes up on him to make the tackle and the ball carrier just lowers his head when he has all his momentum going and cracks him right in the helmet and bowls him over and goes on downfield. I am still waiting for it to be called in this situation which is tremendously dangerous for cornerbacks. This needs to change for the safety of defensive players as Shazier said a week ago. Here is what the ref had to say about it, confirming that they don't even consider the danger offensive players put defenders in:

Hilton was called for unnecessary roughness on the play, which gave New York a fresh set of downs and essentially ended Cincinnati's chances of winning the game. Watch the play below.

“The line judge had unnecessary roughness—it was Cincinnati #21 (Hilton) and the foul was for lowering his head to initiate contact. So that’s going to be a use of the helmet foul," referee Craig Wrolstad said after the game.
He went on to say there wasn't much debate about the call. The officials thought he was a clear foul on Hilton and they didn't think about penalizing Johnson for lowering his head. "We had a short conversation on the field about it," Wrolstad said. "We’re not all looking at that [the offensive player]. I don’t think there was any discussion about the offense. The call was on the defense.”

What should Hilton have done to avoid the call?

“I’m not here to verse you on how to tackle properly," Wrolstad said. "The rule is that you cannot lower your head to initiate contact on a player with your helmet. So, he can hit him with his shoulder, I suppose.”

This is why cornerbacks have their best years very early. They either get beat up and are ineffective or on the PUP list, or they make "business decisions" to prolong their career by not taking on careening offensive players and are ineffective, but get a little more time to draw a salary!

[WVRed]

Nothingburger at the deadline.

[Sea Ray]

No surprise. NFL doesn't lend itself to midseason deals

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld: "Ben Roethlisberger has completed 25.8 percent of his pass attempts of 20 yards or more, the second lowest rate in the league. Only Jared Goff has been worse on downfield throws through Week 8. Roethlisberger's long-deteriorating arm strength has produced some wobbly, inaccurate floaters on many of his 31 downfield throws this season in a Pittsburgh offense predicated on quick, short passes to Najee Harris, Diontae Johnson, and the team's tight ends."

[Kingspoint]

The offense also finished slow - Burrow's interception which lead to the Jets taking the lead, then needing to punt instead of driving for the win. Those two series were fatal blows too.

Bengals lost as a whole team for one reason and one reason only.....their mindsets. They rested on their laurels instead of increasing their intensity, and they did it team-wide from the Coaches down to the lowest level of the staff.

What happened was going to have to happen for this young, inexperienced group. It couldn't have happened at a better time (right before the toughest part of their schedule, right before their bye, and against a team that won't be involved in any tie-breakers other than Conference losses).

Only 2-1/2 point favorites, they should return to the mindsets that got them into proper preparation for the Ravens game and dispatch the Division-rival Browns handily by more than a touchdown.

[oregonred]

It's the NFL and as long as the Bengals have a healthy Burrow at the helm I am not worried. This week's game is much more important in setting the tone for the playoffs and division supremecy.

The Bengals coaching staff was clearly schooled this week on scheme and prep and even then it took some flukey events in the last six minutes to steal defeat from the jaws of victory. The Jets were backed into a corner after the Pats embarrassment and White was going to be more problematic than Wilson. It's the NFL and the Jets have some trenches talent and a good head coach.

[oregonred]

Bengals-Browns the feature game at 1pm on CBS with Nantz and Romo

Much of the Midwest and South Central US gets the game outside the protected markets for local games. Including coverage in most of Florida.

https://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2021&wk=9

[UKFlounder]

From Twitter:

Mike White's jersey and game ball from the win in his Jets debut has been added to the @ProFootballHOF.

His 37 completions are the most by a QB in their first start and he joins Cam Newton as the 2nd QB since 1950 to throw for 400+ yards in a debut.

[oregonred]

From Twitter:

Mike White's jersey and game ball from the win in his Jets debut has been added to the @ProFootballHOF.

His 37 completions are the most by a QB in their first start and he joins Cam Newton as the 2nd QB since 1950 to throw for 400+ yards in a debut.

The question is will they also include Lou's dink and dunk and full game preventive defense gameplan in the exhibit?

Normally as a Bengals fan I would just laugh and cry, but with Burrow at the helm it doesn't bother me for some reason.

[Bob Sheed]

Basically, Lou relied on his front 4 to generate pressure on the QB. And when Lou realized the front four weren't getting to the QB, he changed up his stategy, adjusted, and for the rest of the game he relied on his front 4 to generate pressure on the QB. :dunno:

[RedTeamGo!]

Bengals are gonna wax the Browns. It’s incredible how quickly the browns went from a team on the rise to completely dysfunctional

[Tony Cloninger]

The question is will they also include Lou's dink and dunk and full game preventive defense gameplan in the exhibit?

Normally as a Bengals fan I would just laugh and cry, but with Burrow at the helm it doesn't bother me for some reason.


And yet even with improvements on the defense they still cannot win games with their defense. While the Steelers are able to steal wins at Buffalo and against the Colts. The Browns. Just on defense alone.

I saw them do this in 1983-84 when the Bengals had the better team especially in 1983. They did this with O’Donnell and Kordell Stewart at QB. In the 90s. When have the Bengals done it? Maybe 2009. When Palmer’s arm seemed shot.

Oh and the search for a Center continues as no matter how well they did drafting and signing for defense. The obtuseness of not getting a Center who can help with the run game continues. But sure. Keep on running the ball like it’s 1975.

[WVRed]

Bengals are gonna wax the Browns. It’s incredible how quickly the browns went from a team on the rise to completely dysfunctional

Incredible but not surprising, see the Bengals this past week against the Jets. I pull for the Browns if the Bengals aren’t in it because I can’t stand the other two teams in the division. It can honestly go either way.

I still think the Steelers make the playoffs even with their start.

[The Operator]

Bengals are gonna wax the Browns. It’s incredible how quickly the browns went from a team on the rise to completely dysfunctional

I hope you’re correct but this is The Bengals at the same time.


I could easily see Mayfield hanging 400 passing yards on this defense as a big middle finger to OBJ and his dad.

[RiverRat13]

I saw that White was the first QB to throw for 400 yards with an average air distance from the line of scrimmage of under 4 yards per throw.

[oregonred]

Is that for real. That's LOL maddening and all jokes on the gameplan from Lou and Company aside that is quite embarrassing... To be fair, the D did get 3 TOs and the good guys had a 31-20 lead before the offense pooped the bed the last six minutes. So the plan worked for the first 54 minutes but left little room for error.

Only the Cardinals have beaten the Browns by more than 5 pts. They aren't a team that gets blown out so the -2 line seems right on to me.

The Browns must win this game to remain in the division hunt. I would have preferred they beat the Steelers 15-10 rather than the other way around.

[oregonred]

And yet even with improvements on the defense they still cannot win games with their defense. While the Steelers are able to steal wins at Buffalo and against the Colts. The Browns. Just on defense alone.

I saw them do this in 1983-84 when the Bengals had the better team especially in 1983. They did this with O’Donnell and Kordell Stewart at QB. In the 90s. When have the Bengals done it? Maybe 2009. When Palmer’s arm seemed shot.

Oh and the search for a Center continues as no matter how well they did drafting and signing for defense. The obtuseness of not getting a Center who can help with the run game continues. But sure. Keep on running the ball like it’s 1975.

The Colts? Did I miss that game...

The Steelers have a good defense. Best in the AFC North when healthy

[RiverRat13]

And yet even with improvements on the defense they still cannot win games with their defense.

They absolutely beat Pittsburgh because of the defense. The offense had 268 yards that day.

[Sea Ray]

Is that for real. That's LOL maddening and all jokes on the gameplan from Lou and Company aside that is quite embarrassing... To be fair, the D did get 3 TOs and the good guys had a 31-20 lead before the offense pooped the bed the last six minutes. So the plan worked for the first 54 minutes but left little room for error.

Only the Cardinals have beaten the Browns by more than 5 pts. They aren't a team that gets blown out so the -2 line seems right on to me.

The Browns must win this game to remain in the division hunt. I would have preferred they beat the Steelers 15-10 rather than the other way around.

Even with the TOs, Mike White put up numbers so high the Hall of Fame wanted his stuff afterwards. That's as bad as it gets for a defense. Let's hope they learn from it. No more "giving them" the 4 yard pass. You gotta jump those routes after awhile

[WVRed]

Wonder if Vernon Hargreaves has anything left in the tank?

[RiverRat13]

Wonder if Vernon Hargreaves has anything left in the tank?Did he have anything to begin with?

[RiverRat13]

I wish OBJ and his dad would have waited one more week for their meltdowns. Now the Browns are without the distraction and it seems like Mayfield plays better with a chip on his shoulder.

[Bob Sheed]

Pittsburgh Steelers sign Aaron Rodgers and Odell Beckham Jr. For League Minimum Deals, Sources Say. - My Worst Nightmare Headline

[Redsfaithful]

Rodgers does feel like a future Steeler, that's a good call, I could see it. At least he's getting pretty old if it happens.

[GAC]

Pittsburgh Steelers sign Aaron Rodgers and Odell Beckham Jr. For League Minimum Deals, Sources Say. - My Worst Nightmare Headline

The Brown's and OBJ have reached a deal. Whoever signs him will owe him 7.5M for this season. The Browns dropped the other 2 years in the contract, so he'll be a FA. The issue is a salary cap issue for many.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32561448/sources-odell-beckham-jr-cleveland-browns-agree-reworked-contract-receiver-set-hit-waivers-monday

[WVRed]

Rodgers does feel like a future Steeler, that's a good call, I could see it. At least he's getting pretty old if it happens.

You could say the same about Brady. In the right system Rodgers could extend his career by about five years.

[Redsfaithful]

You could say the same about Brady. In the right system Rodgers could extend his career by about five years.

Maybe, Brady still looks like an outlier there.

Brady is such a fanatic about his health, Rodgers looks like he lives a little harder tbh. Nothing to do with vaccination, I thought that before.

[The Operator]

Drive to the red zone and throw a 99-yard pick 6.


Another loss incoming.

[RedTeamGo!]

Maybe, Brady still looks like an outlier there.

Brady is such a fanatic about his health, Rodgers looks like he lives a little harder tbh. Nothing to do with vaccination, I thought that before.

Ehhhh, I think Brady definitely takes care of his body but I also think he has had significant plastic surgery done on his face.

[Playadlc]

Going to have to score in this one.

Which I think we will.

[The Operator]

Perine drops a first down catch and the Bengals turn the ball over on downs the next play.


Not looking good.

[CTA513]

So far it doesn't look like they learned from last week

[The Operator]

Mayfield has all day to throw and the first play from scrimmage is a deep strike home run.

21-7


The Bengals suck.

[The Operator]

Chase fumbles. Ball back to The Browns deep in Bengal territory.


This is going to be an absolute beat down.

[RiverRat13]

Complete meltdown.

[The Operator]

24-7 Browns with 4:10 left in the first half.


Pathetic.

[RedTeamGo!]

The second OBJ leaves the browns look like a completely different team. That guy is an absolute clubhouse cancer.

[The Operator]

So maybe we should pump the brakes on Zac Taylor and crew being the long term solution. Just saying.


This is two weeks in a row The Bengals have showed up completely underprepared. It’s looking more and more like that Ravens game was a complete outlier.

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m telling you, you don’t want OBJ anywhere near your roster, Bengals fans. Dude will be ripping on Burrow through his dad within a month or two. By the way, what 30 year old has their daddy fight their battles for them?

[The Operator]

I’m telling you, you don’t want OBJ anywhere near your roster, Bengals fans. Dude will be ripping on Burrow through his dad within a month or two. By the way, what 30 year old has their daddy fight their battles for them?

I’m unaware of any Bengals fans that do want him.


Is that a thing?

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m unaware of any Bengals fans that do want him.


Is that a thing?

Multiple posters on this site have said they want him on the Bengals

[The Operator]

Multiple posters on this site have said they want him on the Bengals

God I hope that doesn’t happen. With Chase/Higgins/Boyd already around there’s no way he’d get enough targets not to pout.


I don’t know how anyone could witness the way he behaved in New York and then Cleveland and want to sign up for that.

[Playadlc]

God I hope that doesn’t happen. With Chase/Higgins/Boyd already around there’s no way he’d get enough targets not to pout.


I don’t know how anyone could witness the way he behaved in New York and then Cleveland and want to sign up for that.

Nobody actually thinks this. It makes zero sense.

[RiverRat13]

The Browns with two incredibly cheap hits on Burrow in the first half. At least the Bengals showed a little fight going after Clowney for the second one.

Hard to imagine the defense getting the necessary stops in the second half.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Browns with two incredibly cheap hits on Burrow in the first half. At least the Bengals showed a little fight going after Clowney for the second one.

Hard to imagine the defense getting the necessary stops in the second half.

Meh, that Clowney hit was bang-bang. Burrow made a mistake holding on to the ball too long, that play was dead. I think Burrow is uber talented and is the next star QB but he needs to get smarter. Makes a lot of dumb decisions with his body. Hell, Rodgers even told him after the Packers game: “you’re too good to be taking hits like that.” He needs to get smarter about hits before he wakes up like Roethlisberger and can barely move.

First one he was going for a tackle after an INT, why wouldn’t he get blocked?

[Assembly Hall]

Looks like a bad day for me to get the Bengals out of South Bend.

[The Operator]

Opposing QB’s just have all day to throw against this defense.

[The Operator]

Finally a sack.

About damn time.

[Playadlc]

Get it to a one score game going to the 4th.

Browns defense will tire late.

[The Operator]

Bengals have to burn a TO halfway through the 3rd.

Brilliant.

[CTA513]

Thats probably game

[The Operator]

And then they still give up a touchdown anyway after burning the timeout.


Pathetic.

[RiverRat13]

Lou took zero responsibility after last week's debacle. Doubt he does after this one.

[The Operator]

Starting to look like double digit losses is a very strong possibility.

[The Operator]

Another interception. Browns return it into the red zone.


This is a last place team.

[CTA513]

keep playing like this and people will break out the brown paper bags.

[RedTeamGo!]

Was that a drop or did Ward get his hand in?

I did not expect Ward to just completely dominate Chase today.

I actually sat the Browns defense in fantasy because I thought Burrow and Chase were going to go off. Annoying.

[Playadlc]

Beginning to think the people that don’t follow sports are just better off.

[The Operator]

Browns with a 4-score lead. 3 of those scores directly off of brutal turnovers.

[UKFlounder]

Nm

[RedTeamGo!]

You don’t watch the Bengals enough. These last two weeks are par for the course.

We don’t get the Bengals ever week here. Last game I watched was the Ravens game.

[WVRed]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211107/1e640eb1a8e9e63ce258a7ac100324eb.jpg

This did not age well.

[The Operator]

Chase was bound to have a stinker eventually but dang.

[GAC]

As a Browns fan I didn't see this. But these are Ohio teams

Beckham who?

[The Operator]

Brilliant play call for that 2-point conversion attempt hahaha

Man oh man

[Tony Cloninger]

Lou has been given twice the help to build a defense. Still can’t coach an average defense while the OL rot continues.

[Playadlc]

For a second I thought this team was legitimately good.

They are not. Two absolutely pathetic performances in a row against a bad and average football team.

[RiverRat13]

For a second I thought this team was legitimately good.

They are not. Two absolutely pathetic performances in a row against a bad and average football team.I disagree that the Browns are only average. They have a really good roster. But no reason for them to blow the Bengals out.

[Playadlc]

I disagree that the Browns are only average. They have a really good roster. But no reason for them to blow the Bengals out.

Meh. Maybe. I don’t think they are that good. I feel we were that bad today.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Meh. Maybe. I don’t think they are that good. I feel we were that bad today.

Don’t think either team was as good or as bad as they looked today. Browns were a lot healthier than they’ve been the last couple weeks. Those Bengals turnovers were obviously massive. The Browns are hard to beat once they are ahead with Chubb and the pass rush.

[Tony Cloninger]

Losing as bad as they beat the Ravens. The circle of NFL life.

[The Operator]

Baker Mayfield is 6-1 against The Bengals and 4-8 against the rest of the AFC North.


LOL

[Stray]

One of the more pathetic weekends of Cincinnati football in quite a while. Not much to take away from any of it other than embarrassing.

[GAC]

The Browns played their best game of the season (so far) on all fronts, yesterday. They played as a unit that had something to prove after all the BS this past week with Beckham (and his Dad), and criticism of Mayfield's performance, regardless that he's nursing an injured shoulder, here in '21 to date. Their performance last week vs the Steelers was pathetic! And the Steeler's O-line is bad.

The Browns were winning in the trenches yesterday. Mayfield was getting all kinds of protection (time) .... while Burrows was not.

[KoryMac5]

They don't have a single impact player on D...Bates is good but plays safety...Reader is primarily a run stuffer and Hendrickson can't stop the run...Hubbard stops the run well but his pass rushing is just average. They need a star on defense and they don't have it.

[Bob Sheed]

Burrow makes questionable decisions and hangs on to the ball too long.
The oline doesn't give him time to throw and the HB/TEs blow too many assignments.

The defensive line can't generate pressure against good offensive lines, and Lou runs as vanilla of a scheme as any I have ever seen from any defense.

I find it difficult to believe they can't find anyone better than Apple.

If Burrow doesn't calm down and if Apple has a spot on defense, those two things alone put them at 7-10 to my eyes.

Because soon Burrow will be injured, and offenses will continue to target/exploit Apple. He's like the Bobby Hart of DBs. How does he go to work every day knowing he sucks at his job? :dunno:

[RedTeamGo!]

Burrow makes questionable decisions and hangs on to the ball too long.
The oline doesn't give him time to throw and the HB/TEs blow too many assignments.

The defensive line can't generate pressure against good offensive lines, and Lou runs as vanilla of a scheme as any I have ever seen from any defense.

I find it difficult to believe they can't find anyone better than Apple.

If Burrow doesn't calm down and if Apple has a spot on defense, those two things alone put them at 7-10 to my eyes.

Because soon Burrow will be injured, and offenses will continue to target/exploit Apple. He's like the Bobby Hart of DBs. How does he go to work every day knowing he sucks at his job? :dunno:

2-6 the rest of the way? Come on now.

I think the browns simply match up really well against the Bengals. Garrett is a menace, secondary is excellent.

[Bob Sheed]

2-6 the rest of the way? Come on now.

I think the browns simply match up really well against the Bengals. Garrett is a menace, secondary is excellent.

Only because I think the combo of Burrow hanging on to the ball too long, his unwillingness to scramble instead, and the shaky oline, is going to lead to injury.

I agree they don't match up well against the Browns though.

[oregonred]

Baker Mayfield is 6-1 against The Bengals and 4-8 against the rest of the AFC North.


LOL

All part of the master plan to ensure Baker gets that 8 yr/275M extension in Cleveland

Chubb looked rested and unstoppable. He's the best non-Derrick Henry back in the league.

Teams won't beat a healthy (when Hunt is back) and OBJ-free Cleveland unless they commit to stopping the Browns run game first. They are going to go on a run the next few weeks.

[oregonred]

Only because I think the combo of Burrow hanging on to the ball too long, his unwillingness to scramble instead, and the shaky oline, is going to lead to injury.

I agree they don't match up well against the Browns though.

The turnovers turned things sideways and Chase with a miserable game hopefully had an NFL learning experience and will be focused after the bye.

Burrow, the O-line and the play calling looked fantastic over the first 20 plays and 160 yds. The opening Pick-6 and then the defense failing to stabilize at 7-7 or even 14-7 threw everything out the window. The Titans/Rams game followed the same pattern after the opening two Stafford INTs.

[forfreelin04]

Some humble pie is probably good for this team. Learning from mistakes can help this team grow. I'm much more concerned about the defense. They haven't looked nearly as hungry and aggressive since the Ravens game. Also, I agree with a previous poster: Unsweet Lou is too predictable.

Also, the Bills lost to the Jaguars. I do not think there is one dominant team in the AFC this year. It looks completely up for grabs.

[UKFlounder]

Losing to the Bears was bad

Losing to the Jets was bad.

Losing to BOTH this year? Extra Ugh.

[Kingspoint]

All part of the master plan to ensure Baker gets that 8 yr/275M extension in Cleveland

Chubb looked rested and unstoppable. He's the best non-Derrick Henry back in the league.

Teams won't beat a healthy (when Hunt is back) and OBJ-free Cleveland unless they commit to stopping the Browns run game first. They are going to go on a run the next few weeks.

McCaffery is still better.

[KoryMac5]

McCaffery is still better.

Only when and if he is healthy...

[oregonred]

Only when and if he is healthy...

Which isn't very often anymore unfortunately

Looks like Brandon Wilson will go on IR with a knee injury

Foot injury for ADG which would not be good if he goes on IR given Evans already out for the year

The mysterious Waynes likely out after bye vs. Raiders

I thought they held up ok going into the bye with key players, but those won't help

[RedEye]

AFC is a bit of a scrap heap this year. So weird to see Buffalo lose to Jacksonville, for example. Titans lost to the Jets. Not saying that makes the Bengals' last few games excusable, but I do think Burrow is right when he says they have everything in front of them.

[RedTeamGo!]

McCaffery is still better.

Than Chubb? No.

[Hillsdale87]

Than Chubb? No.

I think Chubb is a better runner. McCaffrey is better overall with his pass catching


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[Redsfaithful]

AFC is a bit of a scrap heap this year. So weird to see Buffalo lose to Jacksonville, for example. Titans lost to the Jets. Not saying that makes the Bengals' last few games excusable, but I do think Burrow is right when he says they have everything in front of them.

I think there's a cap on how good the Bengals can be with this defensive coordinator and Taylor calling the offensive plays THAT BEING SAID if they can sneak into the playoffs I think they've got a shot to be interesting.

[Kingspoint]

Only when and if he is healthy...

Missing 22 games the last two years makes him a non-entity.

[RedEye]

I think there's a cap on how good the Bengals can be with this defensive coordinator and Taylor calling the offensive plays THAT BEING SAID if they can sneak into the playoffs I think they've got a shot to be interesting.

I agree that when you've got Burrow and those weapons, anything can happen in the playoffs. Gotta get there first though.

From a results perspective, I agree on Taylor, Anarumo et al. That said, I won't pretend to *really* understand scheme and coaching just from an eyeball test watching games. Listening to the Bengals podcast folks has me feeling a bit more informed, but I'm still one of those viewers who just thinks "oh, they scored, must be a good scheme" (and the opposite when it doesn't work).